June 8, 2017 
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June 8, 2017 [00:07:41] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:09:38] *** bigpet <bigpet!uid25664@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udejcogcsvowsgqy> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:10:14] *** jsgrant <jsgrant!~jsgrant@71-11-142-172.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:11:45] *** jsgrant_ <jsgrant_!~jsgrant@2600-6c40-4000-0fd0-bd02-5630-1bc3-4c51.dhcp6.chtrptr.net> has joined ##vulkan[00:11:46] *** Guest47556 <Guest47556!~john@host86-147-127-48.range86-147.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:20:31] *** spara_ <spara_!~spara@37.169.29.109> has joined ##vulkan[00:23:36] *** spara <spara!~spara@ARennes-258-1-207-133.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:34:21] *** metalhead33 <metalhead33!~metalhead@540072D1.dsl.pool.telekom.hu> has left ##vulkan[00:34:57] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!jkilpatr@nat/redhat/x-wpifkbvgvozoseuc> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:35:11] *** Adrinael <Adrinael!adrinael@dsl-espbrasgw1-54fa70-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:35:19] *** Adrinael <Adrinael!adrinael@dsl-espbrasgw1-54fa70-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[00:36:15] *** soreau_ <soreau_!~soreau@unaffiliated/soreau> has joined ##vulkan[00:38:33] *** soreau <soreau!~soreau@unaffiliated/soreau> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:40:40] *** derhass <derhass!~derhass@ipservice-092-217-215-117.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[00:41:28] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-178-001-032-033.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:41:40] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)[00:42:34] *** soreau_ is now known as soreau[00:42:51] *** spara <spara!~spara@ARennes-258-1-207-133.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined ##vulkan[00:44:48] *** spara_ <spara_!~spara@37.169.29.109> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:45:54] *** spara_ <spara_!~spara@37.169.224.154> has joined ##vulkan[00:48:20] *** spara <spara!~spara@ARennes-258-1-207-133.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:59:41] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@5-13-254-63.residential.rdsnet.ro> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:10:09] *** Guest47556 <Guest47556!~john@host86-147-127-48.range86-147.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[01:14:12] *** spara <spara!~spara@ARennes-258-1-207-133.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined ##vulkan[01:18:12] *** spara_ <spara_!~spara@37.169.224.154> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[01:22:06] *** rodarmor <rodarmor!sid210835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gltmiaezpvwqeavy> has joined ##vulkan[01:26:01] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.122.46.163> has quit IRC (Quit: MrFlibble)[01:26:58] *** Guest47556 <Guest47556!~john@host86-147-127-48.range86-147.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:29:25] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.64> has joined ##vulkan[01:29:53] <snyp> A question regarding the debug callback extension, why is that `pCallback` argument needed? https://vulkan.lunarg.com/doc/view/1.0.37.0/linux/vkspec.chunked/ch32s02.html[01:36:09] <ratchetfreak> so you can stop the callbacks[01:37:14] <snyp> i don't understand.. the callback pointer sent in createinfo struct and this pCallback one, they are always going to be the same, right? why use different ones at all?[01:40:45] <ratchetfreak> the parameter in create info returns the object representing the callback registration[01:42:27] <snyp> yeah so pCallback is an output parameter.. it's always going to be set to the one i sent in via the createinfo. why?[01:42:44] <snyp> *set to the function[01:43:00] <chrisf> no, it's not a function passed back to you. it's a handle representing the registration.[01:43:27] *** ector <ector!~asdf@37-247-11-157.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:43:32] <ratchetfreak> that is an opaque pointer[01:43:51] <ratchetfreak> well opaque 64 bit value[01:44:19] <chrisf> it's nondispatchable, so it's /not/ required to be a ptr. it's 64 bits of <none-of-your-business>[01:44:32] <snyp> Its a `VkDebugReportCallbackEXT *` <--- VkDebugReportCallbackExt is just a function type.[01:45:06] <chrisf> snyp: no, PFN_vkDebugReportCallbackEXT and VkDebugReportCallbackEXT are different types.[01:45:08] <ratchetfreak> no PFN_VkDebugReportCallbackEXT is the function pointer type[01:45:12] <ratchetfreak> that are different[01:45:52] <snyp> o_o[01:45:57] <chrisf> snyp: this shouldnt be any weirder than creating any other vulkan object[01:46:02] <snyp> that's confusing.[01:46:08] <snyp> i see.[01:46:30] <snyp> that captial and small v makes all the difference.[01:46:41] <snyp> ok thanks.[01:47:12] <ratchetfreak> it's the PFN_ prefix that's also important...[01:48:47] <snyp> vkDebugReportCallbackEXT and VkDebugReportCallbackEXT are rather similar looking. Former is a function, later is a struct. Overlooked that. Thought both are function types (the PFN_ amplified my brain's misconception).[01:51:55] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-162-141-50.range86-162.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[01:57:30] *** rlariono_ <rlariono_!~rlarionov@68-202-221-190.res.bhn.net> has joined ##vulkan[02:01:14] *** tarceri <tarceri!~tarceri@CPE-137-147-145-51.lnse7.win.bigpond.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:01:29] *** slidercrank <slidercrank!~slidercra@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/fifth/slidercrank> has quit IRC (Quit: siht gnidaer er'uoy fi emit eerf hcum oot evah uoy :tiuQ)[02:04:18] *** tarceri <tarceri!~tarceri@CPE-137-147-145-51.lnse7.win.bigpond.net.au> has joined ##vulkan[02:12:22] <snyp> So, how go I get extensions? I'm getting null http://paste.debian.net/970545/[02:12:31] <snyp> i mean the debug extension.[02:17:35] <ratchetfreak> request the extension when creating the instance[02:17:45] <snyp> oh[02:25:53] <chrisf> snyp: in general, for instance extensions: determine whether it's available via vkEnumerateInstanceExtensions, and then include it in the extensions list in VkInstanceCreateInfo.[02:26:09] <chrisf> you only get the extensions you request[02:27:05] <snyp> i see. yeah got the debug callback extension now.[02:27:16] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[02:27:48] *** rlariono_ <rlariono_!~rlarionov@68-202-221-190.res.bhn.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:29:37] *** rlariono_ <rlariono_!~rlarionov@68-202-221-190.res.bhn.net> has joined ##vulkan[02:31:20] <chrisf> snyp: what materials are you using to learn this?[02:32:46] <snyp> https://github.com/SaschaWillems/Vulkan <-- The debug stuff is in base/VulkanDebug.h <-- but the layer and extension load thing I'm looking up from the lunarg website.[02:46:17] *** rlariono_ <rlariono_!~rlarionov@68-202-221-190.res.bhn.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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<jkilpatr!jkilpatr@nat/redhat/x-pkmfsaqtomeayszy> has joined ##vulkan[13:00:07] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!jkilpatr@nat/redhat/x-pkmfsaqtomeayszy> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:00:19] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!jkilpatr@nat/redhat/x-twznzrinepqehpcv> has joined ##vulkan[13:01:31] <tomaka> in the valid usage of vkCmdCopyBuffer there's:[13:01:32] <tomaka> > The union of the source regions, and the union of the destination regions, specified by the elements of pRegions, must not overlap in memory[13:01:41] <tomaka> that seems weird for the source regions[13:01:55] <tomaka> isn't it possible to copy the same part of memory multiple times to multiple different destinations?.[13:06:10] <exDM69> tomaka: that sounds a bit ambiguous but I read it differently than you[13:06:20] <baldurk> you could also read that as saying "(union of src) must not overlap (union of dst)"[13:06:30] <exDM69> to me it reads intersection(union(sources), union(destinations)) must be empty[13:06:44] <exDM69> which makes much more sense[13:07:11] <baldurk> though if you read it that way that implies that dst regions can overlap in themselves which sounds like something that might be intended to be prohibited?[13:07:58] <tomaka> oh[13:09:13] <exDM69> tomaka: I'd go with common sense here, and assume that sources may overlap with each other but destinations can't overlap with each other or the sources[13:09:21] <exDM69> and file a bug asking for clarification[13:09:59] *** Fats <Fats!~Fats@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/fats> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:10:42] <exDM69> also you could check what the validation layers think about it[13:10:48] <exDM69> if they have a check for this[13:11:06] *** navidr <navidr!uid112413@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fgondubtcovgjmfi> has joined ##vulkan[13:11:08] *** Fats <Fats!~Fats@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/fats> has joined ##vulkan[13:18:18] *** ratchetfreak 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