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[13:11:20] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  morning Tom
[13:11:40] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hey Keith
[13:11:47] <tfennelly> kcbabo: last week
[13:12:04] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  oh man ?
[13:12:06] <tfennelly> kcbabo: good weekend?
[13:12:18] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah, it was not too bad
[13:12:27] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I'm trying to find a task in which I won't do any damage ;)
[13:12:35] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I went to the pumpkin patch with my daughter
[13:12:43] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah right lol
[13:12:46] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  heh ? I do have an idea for you
[13:12:54] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I heard of my bro doing that too in the US
[13:12:56] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  and as a bonus it's also a chance to poke me in the eye
[13:13:10] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ok... like the sound of that !!!!
[13:13:11] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  but first, quick question for you
[13:13:23] <tfennelly> kcbabo: shoot
[13:13:32] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  is there any reason why we need the codehaus snapshot repo in the parent pom any longer
[13:13:33] <kcbabo> ?
[13:13:41] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I'm guessing we used that just for Smooks
[13:13:54] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  but wanted to check to see if you were aware of anything else
[13:15:26] <tfennelly> kcbabo: nope... we should have swapped that out when we added the staging one... sorry
[13:15:45] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I forgot about it tbh
[13:15:54] <tfennelly> kcbabo: my excuse for everything
[13:16:30] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  well, it looks like we are using a snapshot version of findbugs
[13:16:36] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  which might require that repo to be around
[13:16:46] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  just found that in parent/pom.xml
[13:16:55] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  something else to mess with I guess
[13:17:22] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah
[13:17:42] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but we could prob use a non-snapshot of findbugs, right?
[13:18:21] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  by now, I'm guessing yes
[13:18:42] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  memory is hazy, but I think at one point we needed the latest and greatest for maven 3 support
[13:20:21] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah OK
[13:20:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: they're prob quicker at releasing than that Smooks shower of wasters
[13:21:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I think Smooks releases are measured in geological time, aren't they?
[13:21:43] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  well maybe not that slow
[13:22:02] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right
[13:22:19] <tfennelly> smooks-PRECAMBRIAN.jar
[13:22:24] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  oh, speaking of getting poked in the eye
[13:23:00] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so I asked Tomo to go another direction with the xslt quickstart
[13:23:09] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  you can read the details on the pull request
[13:23:17] <tfennelly> kcbabo: yep... I saw that
[13:23:23] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  but I was thinking we could play around with using mock:endpoint in his example
[13:23:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right
[13:23:42] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  and I'm sure that will revive our old discussion about sharing camel context
[13:23:53] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol
[13:24:03] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hence "poke in the eye"
[13:25:02] <tfennelly> kcbabo: first thought I have though is that if you're using camel at all you could have it apply an xslt
[13:25:15] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so the example use case should make sense
[13:25:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah, that part is kinda tough
[13:25:32] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  in this case, you're not using camel services at all
[13:25:39] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so the dependency is "test" scoped
[13:25:40] <tfennelly> kcbabo: i.e. a good reason to use switchyard for applying the xslt
[13:25:54] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  iow, camel is only be used for test support
[13:26:07] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right
[13:26:23] <tfennelly> kcbabo: gotcha
[13:27:03] <tfennelly> kcbabo: does it not seem a bit strange to be only dragging camel in to support the testing?
[13:27:06] <tfennelly> kcbabo: sorry
[13:27:30] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I guess it depends on how much value you are getting out of it
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[13:28:12] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  when we discussed this previously, my thought was that it would be most useful for generating test messages via a protocol
[13:28:40] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  cause you can do that quite succinctly in Camel vs. writing loads of your own code to get it done
[13:28:49] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so in that case, I think there's a clear payoff
[13:29:07] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  for mock endpoints,  I'm not sure, but I think it's definitely worth giving it a try
[13:29:08] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki
[13:29:24] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  if we demonstrate that it's possible, then users can judge for themselves whether it's useful
[13:29:29] <tfennelly> kcbabo: sure we can try it and see if it's cleaner... just making the point
[13:29:43] <tfennelly> kcbabo: exactly
[13:30:07] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  Camel is really just a tool in the toolkit
[13:30:32] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  a really cool tool, but certainly you don't have to use it
[13:31:07] <tfennelly> kcbabo: for sure... I'm just trying to think how users might criticise it
[13:31:21] <tfennelly> kcbabo: or... find fault, if you like
[13:31:40] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  works for me :-)
[13:31:44] <tfennelly> kcbabo: and if any of the criticisms might be legitimate
[13:31:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: some will always criticise anyway ;)
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[14:15:49] <GitHub186> [parent] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/89zvOQ
[14:15:49] <GitHub186> [parent/master] SWITCHYARD-510 Update protostuff repository and version details - Keith Babo
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[14:28:40] <tfennelly> igarashitm: hey tomo... yt?
[14:31:48] <igarashitm> tfennelly: hi tom
[14:32:05] <tfennelly> igarashitm: hey tomo
[14:32:11] <tfennelly> igarashitm: how are you?
[14:32:27] <igarashitm> tfennelly: yeah fine
[14:32:34] <tfennelly> igarashitm: cool
[14:33:06] <igarashitm> tfennelly: what's up?
[14:33:06] <tfennelly> igarashitm: keith thought I might be able to help you with the camel testing part of that xslt quickstart
[14:33:21] <tfennelly> igarashitm: see previous
[14:33:41] <igarashitm> tfennelly: ah ok, I've seen a comment from Keith
[14:34:59] <igarashitm> tfennelly: so next to do is replace empty bean to camel's mock component at XSLT quickstart
[14:36:33] <tfennelly> igarashitm: okidoki... have you made a stab at that yet?
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[14:37:18] <tfennelly> igarashitm: if you have it all covered then I'll stop annoying you ;)
[14:37:58] <igarashitm> tfennelly: yes, I've made a empty bean service
[14:38:23] <tfennelly> igarashitm: but you want to replace that, right?
[14:38:38] <tfennelly> igarashitm: maybe I should just get the code and have a look?
[14:38:52] <igarashitm> tfennelly: https://github.com/igarashitm/quickstarts/commit/e58a35a0c3ccfa739af93a9d53cd24b8c925db28
[14:39:09] <igarashitm> tfennelly: this is the commit for XSLT quickstart
[14:39:29] <tfennelly> igarashitm: cool
[14:39:35] <igarashitm> tfennelly: and, OrderServiceBean is just empty
[14:39:53] <igarashitm> tfennelly: to pass through to the XSLT transform
[14:39:54] <tfennelly> igarashitm: so want me to have a look and maybe make a suggestion as to how the camel stuff might fit in there?
[14:40:44] <igarashitm> tfennelly: yes, that's great if you have any some suggestion for me :)
[14:41:18] <tfennelly> igarashitm: no probs at all... no suggestions just yet... I'll have a look and see if I can offer anything :)
[14:41:44] <igarashitm> tfennelly: thanks!
[14:41:53] <tfennelly> igarashitm: nps man :)
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[15:21:59] <bfitzpat> kcbabo - just FYI I may miss todays SY meeting entirely (depends on getting kids to school), but even if I don't, I have nada to share today.
[15:22:57] <kcbabo> bfitzpat:  no worries - get those kids to school!  :-)
[15:23:28] <bfitzpat> kcbabo - yeah, usually my wife takes 'em, but we'll see how the morning shakes out ;)
[15:24:36] <kcbabo> bfitzpat:  if they have you drive them to a place with a food court and a movie theater, that is *not* a school
[15:24:45] <kcbabo> bfitzpat:  just fyi
[15:25:04] <bfitzpat> kcbabo - dang. I wondered if was dropping them the wrong place... ;)
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[16:08:15] <tcunning> antollinim: i took a stab at bean over the weekend
[16:08:38] <tcunning> antollinim: the first problem is definitely cdi-api version - i got past the Extension problem
[16:08:51] <tcunning> antollinim: by changing the cdi-api version
[16:10:02] <antollinim> tcunning: what problem do you exactly talk about? we have some :)
[16:10:52] <tcunning> antollinim: the first one is that class not implementing Extension
[16:11:49] <antollinim> tcunning: but one was solved on Friday when I explained how to install the bean plugin, right?
[16:12:03] <antollinim> tcunning: that made the installation to succeed
[16:12:30] <tcunning> antollinim: right - but i thought we wanted to try to get it to work through source as well at some point
[16:14:34] <antollinim> tcunning: sorry... what do you mean by "work through source"? It is monday morning I may be a little slow :)
[16:20:32] <tcunning> antollinim: sorry - eventually it'd be nice to get everything going through forge source-plugin .
[16:20:52] <tcunning> antollinim: for this release you're right though - we'll use your module.xml changes though
[16:22:12] <antollinim> tcunning: like the "unzip this tarball in your .forge dir" way?
[16:22:30] <tcunning> antollinim: exactly
[16:22:58] <antollinim> tcunning: yeah, if you ask me I prefer the source way. But it looks like there is no choice for now, forge is not working as expected in beta3
[16:23:24] <antollinim> tcunning: so your proposed solution is the best for me in this stage
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[16:41:00] <rcernich> kcbabo: lost it again
[16:41:25] <kcbabo> rcernich:  no worries :-)
[16:41:50] <kcbabo> rcernich:  magesh will send you an email with the details of what I was talking about
[16:42:01] <rcernich> kcbabo: cool
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[18:13:26] <antollinim> tcunning: I managed to get camel installed now too
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[18:14:33] <tcunning> antollinim_lunch: nice!
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[20:18:39] <GitHub18> [release] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/AR2Hiw
[20:18:39] <GitHub18> [release/master] SWITCHYARD-501 Updated the RiftSaw to 3.0.0.20111024-M1 version. - Jeff Yu
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[20:19:04] <GitHub51> [components] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/c-NU-g
[20:19:04] <GitHub51> [components/master] SWITCHYARD-501 Updated the RiftSaw version to 3.0.0.20111024-M1. - Jeff Yu
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[20:21:32] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  hey david - the top-level pom in core contains jbpm version info
[20:21:44] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  property definition and dependencyManagement
[20:21:57] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: yeah, it's used in core/test I believe
[20:22:09] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  ah, right
[20:22:22] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: BPMMixin
[20:22:24] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  thanks, that saved me some time
[20:22:28] <errantepiphany> :)
[20:22:30] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  yeah, I forgot about that
[20:22:38] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  one of these days, I'm gonna break that up
[20:22:44] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  but that day is not today ;-)
[20:22:50] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: that would be nice. and I agree. ;)
[20:27:00] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  hey - can you put a note somewhere that we need to update the docs to include information on the default message name, how it can be overridden at the process level, and how to use the parameter and result mapping?
[20:27:25] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: like a note to myself to update docs, or...?
[20:27:53] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  right, sorry
[20:27:57] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  just so we don't forget it
[20:28:08] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: note on desk
[20:28:19] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  coolio ? thx
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[21:05:21] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  I think there will be a small problem with the release pull
[21:05:36] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  you changed the hibernate versions to 3.x, but riftsaw requires 4
[21:07:05] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: pfffft!
[21:07:11] <errantepiphany> grrr...
[21:07:13] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  yeah, sorry
[21:07:20] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  anyway, building now ? so we'll see how things go
[21:07:34] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  but I have a feeling it's gonna require some fiddling
[21:07:49] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: I have an idea for having both live together... but would rather finish tomorrow.  Feeling close to having the composer stuff done...
[21:08:00] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  yeah, sounds good
[21:08:08] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  all of the other stuff looks good to go
[21:08:11] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  built fine
[21:08:15] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  so that's the last bit
[21:08:27] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  I'll just sit tight and you can poke me when it's ready
[21:08:38] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: but maybe the riftsaw stuff (bpel component) can build with hibernate3, and it will use 4 on the server?  Need to check it out.
[21:08:43] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: okay
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[21:15:49] <babo_brb> errantepiphany:  wow, the release build passed
[21:16:10] <errantepiphany> babo_brb: I wouldn't have submitted it if it hadn't...
[21:17:06] <babo_brb> errantepiphany:  yeah, I guess that's true actually
[21:17:18] <babo_brb> errantepiphany:  alrighty, so now I'm confused
[21:17:25] <babo_brb> errantepiphany:  I'll take another look at the pom
[21:17:37] <babo_brb> errantepiphany:  or actually the module definition
[21:19:03] <errantepiphany> babo_brb: k
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[23:26:27] <errantepiphany> anyone know hot to change your last git commit message?
[23:26:52] <errantepiphany> bfitzpat: kcbabo rcernich tcunning wyer ^^
[23:27:25] <rcernich> errantepiphany: rebase -i HEAD~1
[23:27:27] <bfitzpat> errantepiphany - sorry David, though I've become more comfortable with git I haven't a clue
[23:27:42] <rcernich> or HEAD^
[23:28:10] <errantepiphany> oh... right...
[23:28:21] <errantepiphany> but I just found this, which is about the same:
[23:28:25] <errantepiphany> git commit --amend
[23:28:59] <errantepiphany> rcernich, bfitzpat: http://goo.gl/tpRyn  THANKS for responding.
[23:29:03] <errantepiphany> goodnight.
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