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[15:00:52] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  good man!
[15:14:04] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  quick question on the pull requests
[15:14:15] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  something I noticed when pushing all the property stuff up
[15:14:29] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  the smooks version is in the parent pom, which all repositories inherit from
[15:14:50] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so we can eliminate the smooks version from the individual repositories
[15:15:11] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  and we can also put the repository definition there as well
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[15:30:29] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hey... back
[15:30:44] <tfennelly> kcbabo: was stuffing my face
[15:31:08] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  no worries, just made a smoothie for myself :-)
[15:31:47] <tfennelly> kcbabo: yeah... I was wondering about that duplication but decided to leave it in case there was a reason it was like that
[15:31:58] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but yeah... I'll normalize that
[15:32:03] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  cool, thanks
[15:32:24] <tfennelly> kcbabo: was also thinking... the staging repo I added for that stuff....
[15:32:36] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I set it to never update... prob should be always?
[15:32:38] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  was just gonna ask about that
[15:32:50] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  for the released artifacts?  never works for me
[15:33:02] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  you can always force an update with mvn -V
[15:33:06] <kcbabo> argh ? mvn -U
[15:33:19] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah right... and do the hudson builds do that?
[15:33:26] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yep
[15:33:37] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ok, so that's prob OK then?
[15:33:42] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yep
[15:33:48] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki
[15:33:55] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  but that will not change, right?
[15:34:01] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  the 1.5 artifact
[15:34:20] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right... assuming nobody finds any issues with it
[15:35:06] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so how long will it stay in staging before heading over to the normal repo?
[15:35:08] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I'll just promote it then and it will sync out to the maven central repo
[15:35:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  cool, then we can just drop that staging repo from the parent pom
[15:35:35] <tfennelly> kcbabo: exactly
[15:36:30] <tfennelly> kcbabo: well.... our release "process" is not very scientific... we normally stage it for about 2 weeks... ask everyone to try it and if we hear no complaints.... then promote it
[15:36:54] <tfennelly> kcbabo: and use that to build the release distro
[15:37:40] <tfennelly> kcbabo: we could also configure that staging repo in people local settings.xml
[15:37:49] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but that will prob have people complaining
[15:38:13] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  that process works for me
[15:38:22] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I'm fine with putting the staging repo in parent for now
[15:38:50] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  we have enough time left in 0.3 that we should be able to yank it before the release
[15:39:17] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right
[15:39:35] <tfennelly> kcbabo: we can leave that JIRA open with a comment on it... so we don't forget it
[15:40:19] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ok.... need to clean my keyboard now.... after getting chocolate all over it
[15:40:29] <tfennelly> kcbabo: like a kid
[15:44:13] <tfennelly> kcbabo: any reason why we don't define the repos in the parent pom?
[15:46:00] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I think it's mostly a history thing
[15:46:19] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so we can centralize them then?
[15:46:24] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I think we should probably do it in parent
[15:46:34] <tfennelly> kcbabo: +1
[15:47:07] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  the only drawback I can think of is that if there's a weird repository required by a specific switchyard project module, that could mess things up for everyone
[15:47:11] <tfennelly> kcbabo: we still have version info defined in more than one place too.... would be nice to put all that in one place
[15:47:24] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  but that's a theoretical kind of thing
[15:47:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but easy now coz of what you did
[15:47:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: theoretical?
[15:48:00] <tfennelly> kcbabo: which part?
[15:48:00] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah, I only pushed it to the top of each repo
[15:48:25] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki
[15:48:30] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  the part where I said that a repository for a specific project module could have a negative impact on other projects which don't need it
[15:49:14] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah right.... sorry... I missed that
[15:49:27] <tfennelly> kcbabo: yeah... but we could cross that bridge when we meet it
[15:49:54] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah, that's fine
[15:50:05] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right... it's theoretical :)
[15:52:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: actually..... repos are defined in parent
[15:54:52] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah
[15:54:58] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  actually, one small detail
[15:55:23] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  individual parent poms (e.g. core-parent) *must* have the nexus repository defined
[15:55:36] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  otherwise, you can't resolve parent when building the project stand-alone
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[15:59:45] <tfennelly> kcbabo: sorry back... oh yeah... forgot that actually.... thanks
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[16:47:34] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  hey tom, did you publish to Nexus after pushing Magesh's pull requests?
[16:47:51] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I did
[16:48:01] <tfennelly> kcbabo: did I miss something?
[16:48:14] <tfennelly> kcbabo: core, components, quickstarts
[16:48:24] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  hmm ? I'm getting a symbol not found on a core class from the components build
[16:48:32] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  maybe bad maven repo, I'll try with a fresh one
[16:48:39] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hmmmm
[16:48:51] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I def deployed it
[16:49:08] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ok, building again now with fresh repo
[16:49:12] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I'll let you know
[16:49:25] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki
[16:49:40] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hey.... ho long is a release building taking for other these days?
[16:49:48] <tfennelly> kcbabo: taking forever for me
[16:50:04] <tfennelly> kcbabo: well... like 15-20 mins
[16:50:37] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  wow, that's a fair bit of time
[16:50:47] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I will run one in a sec
[16:50:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so not as long for you then
[16:51:40] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  can't remember, but I probably would have shit if it took 15 minutes
[16:52:18] <kcbabo> dbevenius:  fyi - I see this when building components:
[16:52:18] <kcbabo> http://pastebin.com/86ANP2SU
[16:52:21] <tfennelly> kcbabo: there's an image
[16:52:29] <kcbabo> dbevenius:  not sure if it's a negative test or what
[16:52:54] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  components built fine, so it was just maven magic
[16:53:10] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ok cool
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[16:53:19] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ok... not quite as long as I thought...
[16:53:21] <tfennelly> kcbabo: Total time: 12:40.952s
[16:53:32] <tfennelly> kcbabo: still... a fair bit of time
[16:53:32] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  that's probably not shit-worthy
[16:53:46] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hmmm lol
[16:53:50] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I could barely get through an article
[16:54:24] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so where would be the "shitting point"?
[16:54:46] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  it's more of a gut feel ;-)
[16:54:59] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah OK... makes sense
[16:55:00] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  can't put a number on it, but it probably has a 2 in it
[16:55:37] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right.... 2 is the magic number for sure
[16:56:06] <tcunning> are we talking about numbers and wizardry again?
[16:56:16] <tfennelly> kcbabo: that's one of the all-time best tag lines for a company....
[16:56:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo: a company that was into drain clearing/cleaning....
[16:56:46] <tfennelly> kcbabo: "we're number 1 in the number 2 business"
[16:56:51] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol
[16:56:58] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I think I've seen that tagline here
[16:57:27] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I've no idea where I saw it... but I thought it was awesome
[16:58:04] <tfennelly> tcunning: yep... keith is reading his own numbers this time though... not somone elses
[17:03:33] <kcbabo> tcunning:  nice one
[17:03:44] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  here's my build time for release
[17:03:46] <kcbabo> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[17:03:46] <kcbabo> [INFO] BUILD SUCCESS
[17:03:46] <kcbabo> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[17:03:46] <kcbabo> [INFO] Total time: 6:10.958s
[17:03:46] <kcbabo> [INFO] Finished at: Mon Oct 10 10:58:49 EDT 2011
[17:03:47] <kcbabo> [INFO] Final Memory: 82M/159M
[17:03:47] <kcbabo> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[17:04:12] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hmmm
[17:04:24] <tfennelly> kcbabo: wtf is mine twice as slow
[17:04:27] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I do have an SSD though
[17:04:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo: we have more or less the same machines I think
[17:04:36] <tcunning> too quick - you definitely can't have mexican food and build
[17:04:39] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ahhhh
[17:04:59] <kcbabo> tcunning:  totally ? it's tofu and lettuce for me
[17:05:14] <kcbabo> wow ? this week is off to a good start on IRC
[17:05:19] <kcbabo> can't imagine what we'll be discussing on Friday
[17:05:56] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so sdd makes that much diff.... fuck
[17:06:02] <tfennelly> ssd
[17:06:03] <tfennelly> lol
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[17:06:36] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  wow, I didn't even think of that ? I'm getting slow
[17:06:47] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I think they make meds for that though
[17:07:08] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ah, I misread your reply actually
[17:07:23] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I thought you were making a #2 joke about solid state
[17:08:57] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol
[17:09:14] <tfennelly> kcbabo: yeah... I thought I did what you thought I did too
[17:09:27] <tfennelly> kcbabo: had a T in there instead of one of those Ds]
[17:09:29] <tfennelly> Ds
[17:09:56] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so did you buy that machine with the SDD in it?
[17:10:09] <tfennelly> kcbabo: jesus..... SSD
[17:10:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  nope, I installed it after
[17:10:28] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  dead simple
[17:10:35] <tfennelly> kcbabo: $$$ ?
[17:10:40] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  and if you go with a reasonable drive size, not expensive
[17:11:05] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but you loose your hard drive, right?
[17:11:14] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  if you want to be up around 512Gb+ , then you're gonna have to do some flexibility exercises
[17:11:32] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  but I got one with like 120 or something and it was quite reasonable
[17:11:39] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  lose in what sense?
[17:12:03] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  you do have to replace it, but they will send you an external enclosure + cable to treat your old drive as a new external
[17:12:06] <tfennelly> kcbabo: as in.... you have to remove the hard drive that your machine cam with, no?
[17:12:21] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah OK
[17:12:44] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  it's dead simple
[17:12:49] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I did it in like 10 minutes
[17:13:05] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  6 minutes of that is screwing and unscrewing the case
[17:13:27] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah I'd be a lot slower at the screwing than you
[17:13:46] <tfennelly> kcbabo: boom boom
[17:13:52] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  well, you're considerate like that
[17:13:53] <tcunning> friday's gonna be turrible
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[17:13:58] <kcbabo> tcunning:  totally
[17:14:08] <kcbabo> tcunning:  I'm gonna take the day off so I don't get fired
[17:14:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo, tcunning: you guys are dirty minded
[17:14:42] <tfennelly> kcbabo, tcunning: lol
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[18:25:37] <GitHub198> [components] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Iu2-HA
[18:25:37] <GitHub198> [components/master] SWITCHYARD-484 Updates in support of deploying quickstarts into AS7 for integration testing - objectiser
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[18:31:40] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ok... those pull requests are sorted out now
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[20:32:10] <tcunning> kcbabo : so we're supposed to use forge mvn-plugin rather than forge git-plugin?
[20:35:09] <kcbabo> tcunning:  on a call right now, but I'll reply as soon as I get off
[20:35:20] <kcbabo> tcunning:  but I think the idea is to fix that
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[21:49:52] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  hey tom - did you already re-spin those pull requests?
[21:50:13] <tfennelly> kcbabo: Gary's ones?
[21:51:14] <tfennelly> kcbabo: oh no.... you mean for 216... yeah, they're sorted
[21:51:20] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  no the pom changes to yours
[21:51:34] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  awesome ? I didn't realize
[21:51:39] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I will push them now
[21:51:40] <tfennelly> I can sort them in the morning if you want
[21:51:48] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki... thanks
[21:52:11] <tfennelly> kcbabo: well I was going to push them myself and then thought maybe you'd want to have a look first
[21:52:26] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but you were offline at the time
[21:52:41] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  no worries
[21:57:01] <kcbabo> tcunning:  just sent you email on the forge thing
[21:59:23] <tcunning> kcbabo: ok - so we're updating the switchyard plugin in maven, or the mvn-plugin command in forge?
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[21:59:54] <GitHub20> [parent/master] SWITCHYARD-216: Finalize smooks version - Tom Fennelly
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[22:01:06] <tcunning> kcbabo : i'm trying to fix whatever's wrong with the forge command to install from maven, right?
[22:01:23] <kcbabo> tcunning:  correct
[22:01:50] <kcbabo> tcunning:  a good starting point might just be to try it, watch it fail, then kick up a forge-dev discussion on the stack trace or error output
[22:02:08] <tcunning> kcbabo: i noticed a todo in there, just gonna stake an initial guess on that :)
[22:02:10] <kcbabo> tcunning:  cause there might be some history that Lincoln is aware of which could save you some time
[22:02:24] <kcbabo> tcunning:  ha!  those are always a great place to start
[22:02:31] <kcbabo> tcunning:  TODO - make this work
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[22:03:09] <GitHub155> [core] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EncnvQ
[22:03:09] <GitHub155> [core/master] SWITCHYARD-216: Finalize smooks version - Tom Fennelly
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[22:03:17] <tcunning> kcbabo: so looking forward to this and getting out of websphere mq configuration
[22:04:25] <kcbabo> tcunning:  yeah, I think anything would look good in comparison to that
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[22:31:28] <GitHub158> [release] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/-ka5FQ
[22:31:28] <GitHub158> [release/master] SWITCHYARD-216: Finalize smooks version - Tom Fennelly
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