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[13:26:33] <tfennell_> dbevenius: hey dan... I don't seem to be able to pull up that forum page
[13:27:20] <dbevenius> tfennell_: hmm?let me check
[13:27:26] <tfennell_> dbevenius: but couldn't you explicitly catch the DuplicateTransformerException ?
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[13:28:50] <dbevenius> tfennell_: sure, might not look that nice but we could first catch DuplicateTransformerException and then Runtime
[13:29:14] <tfennell_> dbevenius: but also... maybe kcbabo is cool with not extending the base exception class for now
[13:29:38] <tfennell_> dbevenius: right... but makes it easier for us to track down our exceptions if they are all part of the same hierarchy
[13:29:50] <tfennell_> dbevenius: but no biggie
[13:30:02] <dbevenius> tfennell_: true, I'm cool either way
[13:30:28] <tfennell_> dbevenius: why am I tfennell_ now?
[13:30:42] <tfennell_> dbevenius: I'll close out and come back
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[13:30:57] <kcbabo> dbevenius:  extending SwitchYardException is good with me
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[13:31:20] <dbevenius> kcbabo: tfennelly'
[13:31:33] <dbevenius> kcbabo: tfennelly great then I'll do that
[13:31:49] <tfennelly> dbevenius: what?
[13:31:57] <tfennelly> dbevenius: think I missed something
[13:31:58] <kcbabo> dbevenius:  and catching SwitchYard exception directly would be necessary if it was unchecked anyway
[13:32:31] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  you said that you're signing all your earthly possessions over to dbevenius
[13:32:52] <tfennelly> kcbabo: he'll be made up with that
[13:33:01] <tfennelly> kcbabo: debts and all
[13:33:17] <dbevenius> tfennelly: kcbabo yeah, that was what I took away from the discussion
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[16:09:01] <kcbabo> rcernich:  did you get an invite to the meeting from G+ ?
[16:09:20] <rcernich> kcbabo: lemme see
[16:09:48] <rcernich> kcbabo: i haven't gotten the g+ libraries installed on my laptop, was going to try the iphone app
[16:10:34] <rcernich> kcbabo: i'm moving slowly this am
[16:10:53] <kcbabo> rcernich:  ok, can you dial in to the conference
[16:11:02] <kcbabo> rcernich:  I can loop you into the meeting audio that way
[16:19:42] <rcernich> kcbabo: no invite
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[16:25:59] <kcbabo> rcernich:  are you on G+ ? I see a Rob Cernich there, but wasn't sure if it was you :-)
[16:26:22] <kcbabo> rcernich:  just sent an invite if that's you
[16:26:30] <rcernich> kcbabo: i think that's me:)
[16:26:38] <kcbabo> rcernich:  well, not an invite
[16:26:48] <kcbabo> rcernich:  I added you to my circle
[16:27:04] <rcernich> that was me
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[17:32:10] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so the example for the webapp stuff... locally I just copied demos/orders to demos/webapp-deploy and added the bits to do a webapp deployment
[17:32:29] <tfennelly> kcbabo: of course... the pom creates a war too
[17:34:02] <tfennelly> kcbabo: might be a way of merging that all in one demo app using maven profiles, but I think that makes the examples too hard to follow
[17:34:58] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I think that's fine for a start
[17:35:12] <tfennelly> kcbabo: which.. what I have now?
[17:35:26] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah, the separate quickstart
[17:35:49] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  at some point, we could add in a dependency on tomcat and drag that down as part of the test
[17:36:05] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  deploy the app to it, etc.
[17:36:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right
[17:36:40] <tfennelly> kcbabo: jetty would prob be easier
[17:36:46] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but same diff
[17:36:49] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  sure
[17:36:58] <tfennelly> kcbabo: should work on either
[17:37:28] <tfennelly> kcbabo: sorry about he delay on this JIRA
[17:37:34] <tfennelly> kcbabo: story of my life
[17:37:52] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  no way ? sounds like everything is working nicely
[17:39:25] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah... should have had it sorted about 2 days ago
[17:39:31] <tfennelly> kcbabo: anyway
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[17:46:39] <antollinim> kcbabo: hi Keith, regarding forge tests, do you think programmatically reading the response obtained in the console would be OK to validate it? Or it is not enough?
[17:47:36] <antollinim> kcbabo: is there a chance that the console says "OK, thing done" but the thing (e.g, creating a service) has not been done?
[17:47:45] <kcbabo> antollinim:  is that how forge is doing it?
[17:48:14] <kcbabo> antollinim:  I don't think it's fair to trust the result that's returned
[17:48:26] <kcbabo> antollinim:  sorry, meant to say "I think it's fair to trust ...."
[17:48:30] <antollinim> kcbabo: forge shows messages in the console saying, for instance "Created service implementation [TestServiceBean]"
[17:49:08] <antollinim> kcbabo: good, so I'll try to see if we can use "expect" to do this test... what do you think?
[17:49:50] <antollinim> kcbabo: I do not know if this would work in windows though, I need to test this
[17:50:12] <kcbabo> antollinim:  is there an example in the forge codebase where they verify the output of commands?
[17:50:24] <kcbabo> antollinim:  the unit tests that forge uses to test itself
[17:50:52] <antollinim> kcbabo: I did not check that perse. I could try that...
[17:51:19] <kcbabo> antollinim:  I think the best place to start is to see how forge tests itself
[17:51:32] <kcbabo> antollinim:  and then we can follow that example
[17:51:47] <antollinim> kcbabo: I hadn't thought of that. Good
[17:51:57] <antollinim> kcbabo: thanks
[17:52:11] <kcbabo> antollinim:  yeah, no probs ? thanks for taking a look at it
[17:52:38] <antollinim> kcbabo: :)
[18:00:32] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: I'm looking at switchyard-v1.xsd... Why is the transform element and TransformType complexType abstract? Are they ever extended?
[18:01:09] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: didn't you do that, no?
[18:01:41] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: I didn't add the transform element to the schema, no.
[18:02:40] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: is it causing a problem?
[18:02:52] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: I don't remember adding it either
[18:03:30] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: so TransformType is not extended by anything?
[18:03:40] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: I was asking you that... ;)
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[18:04:03] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: I don't think it's causing problems, I was just in there and noticed it, and was curious.
[18:04:58] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: well... I thought you were in looking in the xsd and could see if something was extending it... lemme check
[18:05:00] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: oh, wait - yes.
[18:05:09] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: there is a transform.java type
[18:05:22] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: smooks
[18:05:27] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: json
[18:05:28] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: and a transform.smooks type.
[18:05:35] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: xslt
[18:05:41] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: gotcha. okay.
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[18:29:14] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: Is the TransformSwitchYardScanner *supposed* to pick up all the OOTB Transformers?
[18:30:51] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: that's the idea
[18:31:17] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: okay; just making sure. thx.
[18:31:37] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: I think anything that's not marked as @Scannable
[18:31:49] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: terrible name for the annotation, I know
[18:32:15] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: I mean.... @Scannable(false)
[18:32:23] <errantepiphany> tfennelly: figured. ;)
[18:32:45] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: yeah... figured you'd have figured but figured I'd say it anyway
[18:32:50] <tfennelly> errantepiphany: ;)
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[20:06:07] <kcbabo> rcernich:  give me 5 minutes to make a quick brew here
[20:06:12] <kcbabo> rcernich:  if that's cool
[20:06:19] <rcernich> kcbabo: np
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[20:23:39] <kcbabo> rcernich:  ok, caffeine at the ready
[20:23:52] <kcbabo> rcernich:  want to use my dial-in?
[20:23:57] <rcernich> kcbabo: works for em
[20:23:59] <rcernich> me
[20:24:07] <kcbabo> rcernich:  cool, talk to you in a sec
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[22:04:31] <GitHub140> [core] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/nHUC1c
[22:04:31] <GitHub140> [core/master] SWITCHYARD-377 "Deploying reference bindings should consider interfaces - Daniel Bevenius
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