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[13:35:39] <gaYak> kcbabo: In other words, is it meant for processes such as AuditLog entries, or just to ease up development of similar services?
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[13:42:54] <kcbabo> gaYak:  looking now ...
[13:43:11] <kcbabo> gaYak:  it's an exchange handler that is registered with the domain
[13:43:55] <kcbabo> gaYak:  basically it's a listener/observer that will get triggered with each send of a message
[13:45:56] <gaYak> Alright, so use case could be anything from storing the message to writing some information to db etc.. ?
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[13:58:24] <kcbabo> gaYak:  right
[14:03:57] <gaYak> Other thing, there's no version after 0.2, yet it's "planned delivery time" is quite close. Are you still considering what the next version is called.. or?
[14:09:27] <kcbabo> gaYak:  it's 0.3, I just flaked on creating it
[14:09:41] <kcbabo> gaYak:  thanks for reminding me though ? I'll add it now
[14:09:46] <wyer> kcbabo, should code name it "awesome sauce"
[14:09:54] <wyer> or something equally cool
[14:10:13] <kcbabo> wyer:  suggestions most welcome :-)
[14:11:13] <wyer> kcbabo, wife is away on holiday from tomorrow so i will be all over SWITCHYARD-336 like a rash
[14:12:30] <kcbabo> wyer:  excellent
[14:14:44] <gaYak> wyer: Lucky bastard.. ;)
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[14:15:58] <wyer> gaYak, she'll be at the beach while i am stuck in cold dry Johannesburg so i'm not all that lucky
[14:16:57] <gaYak> meh, they've promised something like +35C here near the weekend, I'd much more prefer the -35C, so.. cold and dry would suit me ;)
[14:18:13] <wyer> gaYak, this is africa -35C does not happen I **** bricks when its -2C
[14:18:49] <wyer> gaYak, i grew up on the east coast of south africa so anything below 10C i have issues with haha
[14:18:52] <gaYak> Hmph, -2C isn't even nice.. it's too wet. It's much warmer when it's -7C for example.
[14:19:11] <gaYak> wyer: It's not that bad and whisky etc. make you feel warm ;)
[14:19:29] <wyer> gaYak, mmmm whiskey i love my bush mills
[14:19:51] <wyer> tfennelly, you hear that
[14:19:54] <wyer> bush mills.
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[15:20:46] <tfennelly> wyer: hehehe... if you like Irish Whiskey then you need to get your hands on some Middleton
[15:20:54] <tfennelly> wyer: it's not cheap though
[15:21:11] <wyer> tfennelly, i need solutions damnit not problems! :P
[15:21:34] <tfennelly> wyer: hehehe
[15:21:47] <wyer> tfennelly, i love Irish Whiskey
[15:22:01] <wyer> tfennelly, giants causeway and bush mills are a place i want to visit
[15:22:43] <wyer> tfennelly, should probably do the causeway before the "tasting" at bush mills haha so as not to injure myself
[15:23:20] <tfennelly> wyer: http://www.celticwhiskeyshop.com/Midleton_Whiskey-brand-21-z-brand.htm
[15:23:36] <tfennelly> wyer: 1500 euro a bottle
[15:23:40] <tfennelly> wyer: lol
[15:23:50] <tfennelly> wyer: that can't be right
[15:23:54] <wyer> tfennelly, LOL
[15:24:34] <tfennelly> wyer: 170 euro here... http://www.giftsdirect.com/midleton-very-rare-irish-whiskey.html
[15:24:45] <tfennelly> wyer: that's more like what I'd xpect
[15:25:08] <wyer> tfennelly, shoo well at least i don't have to sell a kidney now :P
[15:25:24] <tfennelly> wyer: yeah
[15:25:38] <tfennelly> wyer: you might not be able to give it away if you get too fond of that stuff
[15:25:39] <wyer> tfennelly, its my birthday end of jan i'd like a bottle of the 30yr old :P
[15:25:58] <tfennelly> wyer: hahaha... it's on the way
[15:27:02] <wyer> tfennelly, but in all seriousness i will keep an eye out for a bottle of the 170 euro stuff
[15:27:42] <tfennelly> wyer: even at 170... it would want to be seriously good stuff
[15:27:58] <tfennelly> wyer: from what I hear though... apparently it is
[15:28:14] <tfennelly> wyer: I don't drink whiskey so wouldn't know
[15:28:21] <wyer> tfennelly, at 170 i expect it to be damn good heh
[15:28:45] <tfennelly> wyer: it's supposed to be the dogs balls :)
[15:28:56] <wyer> good
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[15:43:57] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hey Keith... I only half caught you comment the other day about using ant scriptlets in maven
[15:44:12] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but I think you had some sort of beef with it :)
[15:44:33] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I'm not a fan :-)
[15:45:15] <tfennelly> kcbabo: elaborate for me
[15:45:31] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I'm not a fan of ant scripts in maven pom files
[15:45:41] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ;-)
[15:45:54] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I dunno - just seen some nasty stuff in that area before
[15:45:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ok... I did get that much... thanks though :)
[15:46:07] <tfennelly> kcbabo: right
[15:46:18] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  not that I think it's always bad, just can get messy quick
[15:46:33] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  part of it is that most of maven is declarative in nature
[15:46:41] <tfennelly> kcbabo: that goes for anything in fairness
[15:46:42] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  whereas ant is procedural
[15:47:27] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so I've seen situations where once the ant stuff gets in, people decide they're going to start doing everything then need in there, whether an existing maven plugin exists or not
[15:47:27] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki... just wanted to make sure coz I wasn't sure I caught it the last day
[15:47:36] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  and then that creates some serious maintenance issues
[15:47:39] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  that's all
[15:47:58] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki... thanks
[15:48:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  sure thing
[15:56:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I should say... I'm having a look at centralizing those assembly builds to the as7 release
[15:57:21] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  cool - it will be interesting to see what that turns out like
[15:57:31] <tfennelly> kcbabo: maybe you want to leave that though
[15:58:07] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  like we were saying before - it will be interesting to see how it comes together
[15:58:16] <tfennelly> kcbabo: oh it will prob be blurb of assembly.xml stuff in one place versus spread out
[15:58:24] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  it's really tough for me to say whether it will be better or worse until we actually do it
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[16:06:52] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ok, thinking about this assembly thing a bit more
[16:07:42] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  we were saying that the one thing we lose when moving the assembly stuff out of the individual modules was the ability to build an individual component and deploy that independently
[16:08:11] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so what if had a set of modules in each release build that mirrors the current component setup
[16:08:30] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  or if not mirrors, resembles it in the sense that individual components can be built independently
[16:09:02] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  this would separate it from the component build and would still give us the ability to build independently if required
[16:09:28] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  the top-level release module could have a pom with profiles which could have various release settings
[16:10:19] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  e.g. 'all' would contain everything, while 'default' would contain just the stuff we have tested and feel confident about releasing
[16:10:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  etc., etc.
[16:15:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo: sorry ... back... was pressing some coffee
[16:15:45] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ah, french press
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[16:16:11] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  or I guess you could have been bench pressing some coffee, but that seems less likely
[16:16:42] <tfennelly> kcbabo: yeah... bench pressing ;)
[16:17:45] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so have a series of sub-modules inside release/jboss-as7 that assembles each of bean, camel, soap etc
[16:17:52] <tfennelly> kcbabo: yeah?
[16:18:05] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  just an idea, but yeah that's it
[16:18:30] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  then the jboss-as7/pom.xml could split the module list based on profiles
[16:18:34] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so you can cd into e.g. release/jboss-as7/camel and asseble it from there
[16:18:42] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  right
[16:18:58] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  that would create the zip which you could then just unzip into an as7 distribution
[16:18:58] <tfennelly> kcbabo: sure... that doesn't sound bad
[16:19:12] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  for me, that's grand praise :-)
[16:19:20] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol
[16:19:45] <tfennelly> kcbabo: well in fairness... with build related stuff... it's more or less always degrees of ugly you are talking about
[16:20:03] <tfennelly> kcbabo: and trying to find the one that's least ugly
[16:20:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ha! I was about to say the same
[16:20:33] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  least ugly solution wins with build stuff
[16:21:00] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so I was looking at doing the uber assembly... but this is better for sure I think
[16:21:34] <tfennelly> kcbabo: and I don't mean because you can build individual zips and deploy ... coz I really don't see anyone doing that... I think this might just be less ugly to maintain
[16:21:49] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  don't hate on the individual zips
[16:22:22] <tfennelly> kcbabo: don't hate on them?
[16:23:07] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  you were raining on my 'building individual zips and deploy' parade ;-)
[16:23:26] <tfennelly> kcbabo: no... I was praising it !!!
[16:23:56] <tfennelly> kcbabo: but maybe for a different reason ;)
[16:24:05] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  right, that's what I'm sayin'
[16:24:09] <wyer> kcbabo, +1 for individual zips keep it lean
[16:24:12] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  lost in translation
[16:24:15] <tfennelly> kcbabo: the maint issue is the big thing here imo
[16:24:40] <wyer> kcbabo, tfennelly i wanna see SY on plug pc's hehehe
[16:25:11] <kcbabo> wyer:  yeah, we just need to round a mess of those up :-)
[16:25:41] <tfennelly> kcbabo: getting that as7 specific assembly stuff out from under the individual modules and located together under the general umbrella of as7 distro assembly is a good thing
[16:26:28] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah, I think it will be good
[16:26:40] <wyer> kcbabo, tfennelly i am willing to tackle that for you guys
[16:27:24] <kcbabo> wyer:  brave man!
[16:27:45] <tfennelly> wyer: well... we might want to do the same thing for AS6
[16:28:09] <wyer> at worst i can fail
[16:28:21] <wyer> but its good exposure to SY as a whole
[16:28:44] <kcbabo> wyer:  sure - this would be after BPM, right? ;-)
[16:28:56] <wyer> kcbabo, haha yeah after that
[16:29:32] <kcbabo> right on
[16:29:50] <wyer> kcbabo, one thing at a time flu kept me man down on the weekend and its been a push week @ work
[16:29:56] <wyer> but this weekend looks clear
[16:30:21] <wyer> besides some odd things around the house to do joys of a new home owner
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[16:38:45] <wyer> kcbabo, a heads up to my current schedule and order of priority of jboss.org issues SWITCHYARD-336 followed by taking a look at AS-1273 and then finally working with another community member on RF-11088
[16:39:58] <wyer> kcbabo, i expect i'll get through that on the weekend so i will be able to look at the assembly stuff once a strategy is decided on
[16:40:01] <wyer> kcbabo, and if its not needed urgently
[16:40:18] <kcbabo> wyer:  that sounds good to me
[16:40:41] <kcbabo> wyer:  for the assembly stuff, we can check status at the end of next week and plan how to go from there
[16:51:01] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: Similar to jira SWITCHYARD-336, I would prefer to create a similar one for the Rules component dependencies, and go ahead and push SWITCHYARD-332 now.
[16:51:23] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: if you want to walk through the code with me, I can at any time.
[16:51:33] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: but it looks a lot like the bpm code... ;)
[16:53:10] <wyer> errantepiphany, hi David, that looks cool
[16:54:29] <errantepiphany> wyer: Hey thx Justin. :)
[16:55:10] <wyer> errantepiphany, feel free to assign the issue to me if you go the same route as 336
[16:56:00] <errantepiphany> wyer: Hey man, if you want that PITA, you're welcome to it, LOL! BTW, what's going on with 336? Is it ready to push soon?
[16:56:57] <errantepiphany> wyer: It should be easier for you, as the Rules component has less dependencies than the BPM component, and also is much easier to test.
[16:57:02] <kcbabo> errantepiphany:  okie dokie ? jumping on a meeting, but I'll take a look early afternoon
[16:57:25] <wyer> errantepiphany, just got to finish up the test stuff i was man down on the weekend with flu and its been a busy week at work, but the wide is going to the beach on holiday with her bff so i got plenty of time this weekend to finish up 336
[16:57:37] <errantepiphany> errantepiphany: ok. I'm gonna work on JBESB-3636 in the meantime.
[16:57:47] <errantepiphany> kcbabo: ^^
[16:57:55] <errantepiphany> (I talk to myself apparently.)
[16:58:02] <wyer> bwahahaha
[16:58:20] <wyer> errantepiphany, wide = wife lol
[16:58:37] <errantepiphany> wyer: Are you saying your wife is wide? (sorry - couldn't resist)
[16:58:51] <errantepiphany> jk, btw
[16:59:07] <wyer> errantepiphany, LOL :P no i value my balls
[16:59:15] <errantepiphany> wyer: rofl
[17:01:56] <kcbabo> rcernich_away:  are we meeting right now?
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[21:42:56] <antollinim> kcbabo: hi Keith, have a min?
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[22:30:21] <GitHub132> [core] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/jboss-switchyard/core/commit/425f71735de8dd36d7c32d6729c9e3b79a36d5fa
[22:30:21] <GitHub132> [core/master] SWITCHYARD-332: Add drools component and implementation - David Ward
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[22:30:44] <GitHub144> [components] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/jboss-switchyard/components/commit/62b6f74f27347d7b555dfc65d2bfeac68a05c6be
[22:30:44] <GitHub144> [components/master] SWITCHYARD-332: Add drools component and implementation - David Ward
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[22:30:58] <GitHub181> [quickstarts/master] SWITCHYARD-332: Add drools component and implementation - David Ward
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