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[15:03:03] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I eventually have a working Java env on my machine after an apple update forked it all up
[15:03:07] <tfennelly> kcbabo: again
[15:03:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  oh ? I'm so happy I didn't install that
[15:03:35] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I did it by accident
[15:03:37] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I didn't want to reboot, so I kept deferring the update
[15:03:46] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  what had to change?
[15:04:20] <tfennelly> kcbabo: well if screwed up all the sym links.. removed src jars etc
[15:04:31] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  wtf ? I hate that they do that
[15:05:06] <tfennelly> kcbabo: then when I tried reinstalling the dev package I couldn't get the B*****d to install
[15:05:35] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so I had to unpack it and copy in the src etc+ fix up the links
[15:05:43] <tfennelly> kcbabo: anyway... back working again
[15:05:54] <tfennelly> kcbabo: really is a puzzle to me though
[15:05:58] <tfennelly> kcbabo: why they do that
[15:06:56] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so you want to look at look at integrating CDI and Camel
[15:07:16] <tfennelly> kcbabo: use the CDI beanmanager as the bean registry in camel I think
[15:08:09] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I'm updating my camel src here and going to have a look and just learn a bit about the camel registry ... see how plugable it is etc and what it requires
[15:08:19] <tfennelly> kcbabo: sound OK with you?
[15:08:21] <wyer> tfennelly, linux 4 life :P
[15:08:34] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  yeah, that sounds great (the camel part)
[15:08:40] <tfennelly> wyer: lol... you must be joking... been there and done that ;)
[15:09:08] <tfennelly> kcbabo: okidoki
[15:09:09] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  maybe we can have a chat about it once you've had a look?
[15:09:16] <wyer> tfennelly, moving from mac to linux for development is the single greatest thing i've ever done ;)
[15:09:20] <tfennelly> kcbabo: absolutely
[15:09:32] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I have some dumb ideas floating around ? nothing concrete, my normal hand waving stuff
[15:09:57] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol.... that's where everything starts for everyone is it not
[15:10:22] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I'll get my bearings on the camel end of things anyway
[15:10:39] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  great
[15:10:45] <tfennelly> wyer: hehehe... moving from linux to mac for development is the single greatest thing i've ever done ;)
[15:11:09] <tfennelly> wyer: sorry for stealing your line and changing it
[15:11:15] <tfennelly> wyer: ;)
[15:11:59] <aamonten> tfennelly wyer: agree with the move from linux to mac :)
[15:12:02] <tfennelly> kcbabo: maven is doing the usual thing now when building camel.... I might have it built some time in the next 3 hours
[15:12:25] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I loved paul's suggestion of running a local nexus server
[15:13:02] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  not sure if you saw that, but talk about bringing out the big guns
[15:13:14] <tfennelly> kcbabo: Paul Gier?
[15:13:45] <tfennelly> kcbabo: he suggests this for people... run on your local machine/network?
[15:13:49] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  y
[15:13:52] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol
[15:13:57] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  local nexus on your laptop
[15:14:08] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ah jes
[15:14:19] <wyer> or
[15:14:26] <wyer> maybe they must just fix maven
[15:14:32] <wyer> +1 to that
[15:15:00] <wyer> i mean i love it, life before it sucked, but issues :/
[15:16:08] <kcbabo> wyer:  agreed ? I really like the promise of what maven can bring, but the baggage is getting mighty heavy
[15:16:37] <tfennelly> kcbabo, wyer: as Kurt Stam would say... it "sucks rocks"
[15:17:29] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  it certainly can
[15:18:14] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  it's time for Linus to invent a new build management tool now that the source control solution has been perfected
[15:18:44] <wyer> kcbabo, right you are tho he cares nothing for java ;)
[15:19:24] <wyer> kcbabo, git is so beautiful i may get emotional over it
[15:19:44] <kcbabo> wyer:  I cry tears of joy once a week
[15:20:19] <wyer> kcbabo, hg and bzr dev's should focus their energy on fixing maven atm they are redundant :P
[15:20:45] <kcbabo> wyer:  there ya go
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[16:11:43] <GitHub145> [core] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/q1mCbQ
[16:11:43] <GitHub145> [core/master] SWITCHYARD-244: Find a new home for JavaService.toJavaMessageType - Tom Fennelly
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[16:24:52] <GitHub4> [components] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/qL17lu
[16:24:52] <GitHub4> [components/master] SWITCHYARD-244: Find a new home for JavaService.toJavaMessageType - Tom Fennelly
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[16:28:52] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  tom fennelly 1 ?  wft?  ;-)
[16:29:14] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol
[16:29:14] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  or wtf if you prefer
[16:29:41] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  nice to see that we are already doing all of this stuff and have done so for some time
[16:29:56] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I had some issues logging in on Chrome
[16:30:09] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so that's prob where the 1 comes from
[16:30:12] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  whatever ? I've had enough of your excuses
[16:30:25] <tfennelly> kcbabo: lol.... piss off
[16:30:29] <tfennelly> kcbabo: ;)
[16:30:35] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  hehe
[16:32:41] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I wonder will he mention the intellij git tools.... they are awesome
[16:32:45] <tfennelly> kcbabo: natually
[16:32:51] <tfennelly> kcbabo: hehehe
[16:35:15] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  fanboy
[16:35:26] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  whoot!
[16:36:25] <tfennelly> kcbabo: so basically he hasn't used intellij
[16:37:39] <kcbabo> tfennelly:   stop your whinging
[16:38:28] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I'm in a bad mood today.... stand clear
[16:38:53] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  hehe ? maybe it's your pull request that took 10 tries
[16:39:06] <tfennelly> kcbabo: don't be exagerating
[16:39:12] <tfennelly> kcbabo: it only took 4 lol
[16:39:31] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ha!
[16:39:42] <tfennelly> kcbabo: and counting
[16:40:38] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  I should have come back at you with some b.s. feedback just to run up the counter
[16:40:48] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  of course, that would be consistent with any other feedback I provide
[16:41:06] <tfennelly> kcbabo: that would be mean
[16:41:24] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  so you're agreeing it would be a good idea then?
[16:41:55] <tfennelly> kcbabo: well... I acknowledge that if the shoe was on the other foot I would think it was a great idea
[16:42:34] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  :-)
[16:47:01] <tfennelly> kcbabo: I wonder do the github guys license github
[16:47:47] <wyer> tfennelly, yeah you can run it on your own infrastructure i believe
[16:48:06] <tfennelly> wyer: ah cool
[16:49:08] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  ah crap, late for lunch with the wife.  I'm in trouble now.  Back in a bit.
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[16:51:42] <wyer> tfennelly, http://fi.github.com/
[16:52:02] <tfennelly> wyer: awesome... thanks
[16:52:11] <tfennelly> wyer: what's your name?
[16:52:51] <wyer> tfennelly, Justin
[16:53:13] <wyer> tfennelly, wyer is my surname
[16:53:34] <tfennelly> wyer: hey Justin... Tom is my name... welcome to SwitchYard :)
[16:54:36] <wyer> tfennelly, thanks Tom :) i am hoping to contribute a few things soon :)
[16:54:53] <tfennelly> wyer: cool.... that would be awesom
[16:54:58] <tfennelly> e
[16:55:18] <wyer> tfennelly, SWITCHYARD-253 is of particular interest
[16:55:45] <wyer> tfennelly, arg no bot :P https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SWITCHYARD-253
[16:57:22] <wyer> tfennelly, i chatted to babo_afk about it a bit and have a plan in my head ;) soon as i get time i will get started with that
[16:59:24] <tfennelly> wyer: is that not more relevant to message serialization?
[16:59:49] <wyer> tfennelly, well the idl it uses is the same as thrift
[17:00:59] <tfennelly> wyer: not familiar with thrift
[17:01:04] <wyer> tfennelly, so as an exercise i plan to implement exposing services via msgpack rpc and thrift too
[17:01:10] <tfennelly> wyer: have heard of it ok, but that's all
[17:01:16] <wyer> tfennelly, its facebooks rpc layer now under the apache project
[17:01:46] <tfennelly> wyer: so what would an service interface definition look like?
[17:02:11] <tfennelly> wyer: I was thinking of JSON for this before, but it sounds like this is similar
[17:03:22] <wyer> tfennelly, http://wiki.apache.org/thrift/Tutorial is an example of the idl
[17:04:44] <wyer> tfennelly, easier to read http://thrift.apache.org/ first code styled block
[17:05:27] <tfennelly> wyer: right
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[17:12:12] <tfennelly> wyer: is that not a lot more than we'd have required perhaps?
[17:12:42] <tfennelly> wyer: a in... we'd really only be using the definition syntax structure
[17:13:08] <tfennelly> wyer: if someone specified i32 we'd be like dtf
[17:13:20] <tfennelly> (wtf)
[17:14:28] <wyer> tfennelly, there are already implementations for java its marshalled to and from a pojo
[17:14:59] <wyer> tfennelly, we could have a msgpack transformer
[17:15:21] <tfennelly> wyer: maybe I'm not understanding
[17:15:56] <wyer> tfennelly, think of the serialization part like jaxb except you've got binary data instead of xml on the one side
[17:17:14] <tfennelly> wyer: sure..... I'm starting from the point of view of SwitchYard and the info required to specify a Service interface (operations etc)
[17:17:48] <tfennelly> wyer: that's what I thought that JIRA was about
[17:17:55] <tfennelly> wyer: maybe I'm misreading it
[17:18:00] <wyer> tfennelly, it is about that too
[17:18:42] <tfennelly> wyer: right... to me, they seem to like they should first be treated as 2 distinct issues
[17:18:56] <wyer> tfennelly, yeah i brought that up with kcbabo heh
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[17:19:37] <tfennelly> wyer: I think it just muddies the waters trying to hit 2 targets at the same time at step 1
[17:19:47] <tfennelly> wyer: that was what was confusing me I think
[17:20:04] <wyer> tfennelly, so with regards to exposing a service via msgpack we can reuse a lot of the existing msgpack java impl it uses netty
[17:20:29] <wyer> tfennelly, so a service could be exposed via netty
[17:21:54] <wyer> tfennelly, but tbh i am mostly clueless i will know how deep in the water i am when i get a chance to look :)
[17:22:14] <wyer> tfennelly, all i know is SY looks cool as hell :)
[17:26:33] <tfennelly> wyer: yeah... not sure I follow what you mean wrt "exposing a service via msgpack", but I'm sure it will all become clear in time :)
[17:27:20] <wyer> tfennelly, like how you can expose a service over soap
[17:27:27] <tfennelly> wyer: still seems like we're talking about multiple things at once
[17:27:34] <wyer> tfennelly, probably :P
[17:28:18] <tfennelly> wyer: ok... that's a sep thing in my world (to SWITCHYARD-253) hehehe
[17:28:19] <wyer> tfennelly, do you have team meetings ?
[17:28:44] <tfennelly> wyer: for sure
[17:29:38] <wyer> tfennelly, when abouts ?
[17:29:51] <wyer> perhaps it can be raised in a meeting in the coming weeks
[17:30:25] <wyer> tfennelly, the serialization part i agree the rpc part is a different issue all together
[17:32:08] <tfennelly> wyer: yeah... (1) A nice clean generic mechanism for defining Service interfaces (SWITCHYARD-253) .... (2) msgpack gateway component
[17:32:34] <wyer> tfennelly, and i am sure i can hammer away at the rpc bit myself and msgpack serialization & idl support will be available as a result of that so then everyone can decide on the merits of it wrt 253
[17:33:23] <tfennelly> wyer: sure... sounds good
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[18:16:44] <kcbabo> rcernich:  hey rob
[18:16:50] <rcernich> kcbabo: hey!
[18:17:10] <kcbabo> rcernich:  hey - so I'll get a pull request with that stuff going today for sure
[18:17:24] <kcbabo> rcernich:  wanted to make sure I understood your comment w/r/t SwitchYard service
[18:17:44] <kcbabo> rcernich:  so my plan was to add the interfaces, the backing implementation classes, and the wiring into the deployer to populate them
[18:17:57] <rcernich> kcbabo: yep.  makes sense.
[18:17:57] <kcbabo> rcernich:  and then you can take that and pull it into the console
[18:17:59] <kcbabo> rcernich:  will that work?
[18:18:06] <rcernich> kcbabo: yep
[18:18:40] <rcernich> kcbabo: what were you thinking of using for a backing store?
[18:18:55] <kcbabo> rcernich:  it's completely transient
[18:19:03] <rcernich> kcbabo: just in-memory maps, tied to the switchyard subsystem itself
[18:19:07] <rcernich> kcbabo: got it
[18:19:15] <kcbabo> rcernich:  the deployer will populate the objects and attach to the deployment
[18:19:41] <kcbabo> rcernich:  sorry, attach to the SwitchYardService
[18:19:47] <rcernich> kcbabo: yep.  that's what i was planning on doing with the dmr interface
[18:19:57] <kcbabo> rcernich:  so you can yank out the top pointer (System) from the subsystem instance
[18:20:06] <rcernich> kcbabo: have the deployer populate submodels on the deployment
[18:20:32] <rcernich> kcbabo: yep
[18:21:10] <rcernich> kcbabo: once that's done, i'll mock up the dmr interface for your review
[18:21:27] <rcernich> kcbabo: i'll add operations to the subsystem to delegate back to the new api
[18:22:07] <rcernich> kcbabo: and i'll add operations to the deployments delegating to the interfaces Application and lower
[18:22:23] <rcernich> kcbabo: after that, shouldn't take long to get it integrated into the console
[18:22:30] <rcernich> kcbabo: i'll work on that in the meantime
[18:23:44] <kcbabo> rcernich:  which subsystem will the operations be added to?
[18:23:54] <rcernich> kcbabo: switchyard
[18:24:37] <rcernich> kcbabo: this would fit under the heading of "wrapped by other implementation specific interfaces"
[18:24:58] <kcbabo> rcernich:  which operations then?  I thought we just said that I would attach a reference to the System object to the subsystem
[18:25:09] <kcbabo> rcernich:  and that's all you should need from the console
[18:25:13] <rcernich> kcbabo: e.g. in dmr: /subsystem=switchyard/:get-version()
[18:25:34] <kcbabo> rcernich:  ah, that's all greek to me
[18:25:42] <kcbabo> rcernich:  OK, I'll definitely leave that all to you
[18:25:43] <rcernich> kcbabo: /subsystem=switchyard/:get-services()
[18:25:59] <rcernich> kcbabo: yeah.  that's just the dmr way
[18:26:00] <kcbabo> rcernich:  I'll make sure you have a handle to that reference and you take it from there ;-)
[18:26:49] <rcernich> kcbabo: and currently, the console is setup to use dmr.
[18:27:18] <rcernich> kcbabo: and if it's exposed that way, you get to use the jboss-admin cli too
[18:27:20] <kcbabo> rcernich:  yeah, that's fine.  It will be an interesting exercise to see how things map over
[18:27:28] <kcbabo> rcernich:  brilliant
[18:27:44] <rcernich> kcbabo: i don't know about that, but a starting point
[18:28:01] <rcernich> kcbabo: i'm just following the example of the as7 console
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[19:44:33] <tfennelly> kcbabo: https://github.com/obergner/camelpe
[19:45:19] <kcbabo> tfennelly:  interesting
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[20:52:13] <rcernich> kcbabo: can you create a jira component for component-clojure
[20:52:31] <kcbabo> rcernich:  sure thing
[20:52:37] <rcernich> kcbabo: thanks!
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[21:01:02] <aamonten> kcbabo: also for component-spring please
[21:11:09] <kcbabo> done and done
[21:35:31] <wyer> any clues as to getting the switchyard service to show up in the jbpm editor in eclipse ?
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[21:42:03] <errantepiphany> wyer: include the switchyard-component-bpm project in your workspacd, and have the latest jbpm plugin (5.1.0.Final) installed.
[21:42:12] <errantepiphany> workspace
[21:42:31] <errantepiphany> wyer: we'll have a better way in the future
[21:42:40] <wyer> errantepiphany, thanks :)
[21:42:43] <errantepiphany> wyer: np
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[22:30:29] <wyer> errantepiphany, could i be missing something i am using jbpm 5.1 final and i imported https://github.com/jboss-switchyard/components/tree/master/bpm into my workspace
[22:30:56] <wyer> but the service task is still missing
[22:31:35] <errantepiphany> wyer: did you "mvn install" the bpm component, then restart eclipse?
[22:33:00] <wyer> errantepiphany, lt me do that quick
[22:33:08] <errantepiphany> wyer: ok
[22:42:31] <wyer> errantepiphany, still nothing
[22:42:58] <wyer> errantepiphany, should my jbpm project be a maven project (because its not)
[22:43:31] <errantepiphany> wyer: yes. and have it depend upon the bpm component project.
[22:43:38] <errantepiphany> wyer: that's probably the problem.
[22:44:31] <wyer> errantepiphany, roger
[22:50:48] <wyer> errantepiphany, thanks for your help i got the service task now
[22:53:33] <errantepiphany> wyer: kewl. :)
[22:53:34] <errantepiphany> np
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