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[02:57:34] <GitHub62> [core] kcbabo pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/mTguVb
[02:57:34] <GitHub62> [core/master] SWITCHYARD-273: quickstarts WebServiceTest fails during "mvn install" - David Ward
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[02:58:36] <kcbabo> tcunning:  hey tom - you around?
[02:58:54] <tcunning> kcbabo - in and out for the next half hour - what's up?
[02:59:15] <kcbabo> tcunning:  ah, nevermind
[02:59:31] <kcbabo> tcunning:  I was gonna bother you with a pull request - but it can wait
[02:59:45] <tcunning> kcbabo: i can grab it tonight - i'm still closing out bedtime
[03:00:11] <kcbabo> tcunning:  if you can, that would be great ? but it's not an emergency
[03:00:20] <kcbabo> tcunning:  just if you miss the old git workflow :-)
[03:00:53] <tcunning> kcbabo: tagged 4.10 and finally got an upload account for the docs/artifacts - hopefully it'll be released tmmrw
[03:01:11] <kcbabo> tcunning:  ah fantastic!  congrats!
[03:01:33] <kcbabo> tcunning:  amazing how much bullshit there is leading up to a release
[03:01:47] <tcunning> kcbabo: no kidding
[03:01:53] <tcunning> kcbabo: especially the first one
[03:02:02] <kcbabo> tcunning:  yep
[03:02:32] <tcunning> kcbabo: is it the TraX ones?
[03:05:13] <tcunning> kcbabo : SWITCHYARD-331?
[03:08:01] <kcbabo> tcunning:  yep, that's the one
[03:08:37] <kcbabo> tcunning:  be warned ? you will most likely have to use the old "git rebase master" in the topic branch to avoid a merge commit
[03:08:48] <kcbabo> tcunning:  cause I pushed a bunch of stuff ahead of those, IIRC
[03:09:01] <kcbabo> tcunning:  actually, I'll just update now to save you the hassle
[03:10:22] <kcbabo> tcunning:  ok, they are both up-to-date now
[03:10:38] <kcbabo> tcunning:  I have to head to the grocer for a few things, so I'll catch you later
[03:10:48] <tcunning> kcbabo: thanks - i'll get it in tonihgt
[03:10:54] <kcbabo> tcunning:  thanks very much!
[03:11:02] <kcbabo> tcunning:  and congrats again on 4.10 - very nice
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[13:23:08] <GitHub169> [parent/master] Added mockito and hamcrest as managed deps. - Daniel Bevenius
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[16:18:01] <errantepiphany> babo: when do you want to discuss http://goo.gl/mBOk3 ?
[16:20:59] <babo> errantepiphany:  now's good
[16:21:11] <errantepiphany> babo: phone or irc?
[16:21:28] <babo> errantepiphany:  your choice :-)
[16:28:20] <wyer> babo, i added a comment to SWITCHYARD-253 i'd also be interested in contributing support for msgpack
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[16:46:29] <babo> wyer: saw that but haven't had a chance to check out msgpack
[16:48:30] <babo> wyer: but it would be great if you would like to contribute
[16:49:58] <wyer> babo, sure switchyard looks exciting
[16:52:04] <babo> wyer:  do you use msgack today?
[16:52:34] <babo> wyer:  I would certainly be interested in hearing about how it stacks up to the IDL in Avro and Protobuff
[16:54:42] <wyer> babo, not so much but i have used thrift quite a bit and message packs IDL is based on that
[16:56:25] <babo> wyer:  ah, OK
[16:56:35] <babo> wyer:  which languages do you use thrift with?
[16:56:59] <wyer> babo java and objective c
[16:57:41] <wyer> babo, some now and then python :)
[16:57:51] <babo> wyer: excellent, so you're gonna hook up SwitchYard to my iPad then? ;-)
[16:58:37] <wyer> babo, ipads are components too!
[16:58:43] <wyer> equal rights :P
[16:59:13] <babo> wyer:  absolutely !
[16:59:45] <babo> wyer:  so I have two motivations with the generic IDL JIRA
[16:59:58] <babo> wyer: (1) easy interoperability with other languages
[17:00:20] <babo> wyer: (2) lightweight (i.e. not Java, not WSDL) contract for services
[17:01:07] <babo> wyer:  but I haven't had a chance to figure out what flavor and backing technology offers the best mix of those goals
[17:01:57] <wyer> babo, sensible goals, to be fair i don't know much about protocol buffers, but isn't it just serialization no interfaces ?
[17:03:12] <babo> wyer: they have an IDL as well, IIRC
[17:03:43] <babo> wyer: .proto can include message definitions and group them (can't remember the actual expression)
[17:04:12] <errantepiphany> anybody else having trouble building the soap component after pulling from upstream/master?
[17:04:13] <errantepiphany> org.switchyard.exception.SwitchYardException: Cannot convert from 'javax.xml.transform.dom.DOMSource' to 'org.w3c.dom.Node'.  No registered Transformer available for transforming from 'java:javax.xml.transform.dom.DOMSource' to 'java:org.w3c.dom.Node'.  A Transformer must be registered.
[17:04:13] <errantepiphany> 	at org.switchyard.internal.DefaultMessage.getContent(DefaultMessage.java:113)
[17:04:13] <errantepiphany> 	at org.switchyard.component.soap.InboundHandler.assertComposedMessageOK(InboundHandler.java:270)
[17:04:32] <babo> wyer: utlimately, what we really need is message defintion, exchange pattern (oneway vs. request reply), and if multiple operations are offered a way to distinguish them
[17:04:47] <babo> errantepiphany:  crap, I need to deploy core
[17:04:49] <babo> errantepiphany:  one sec
[17:05:52] <antollinim> rcernich: Hi. I found what I was looking for. There is a slight difference, it is intended for smartgwt, but might be useful anyway. I have integrated this into another project some time ago. Let me know if I can help you with anything. https://bitbucket.org/carchrae/open-smartgwt-server/src
[17:06:33] <wyer> babo, right you are wrt .proto IDL
[17:06:49] <rcernich> antollinim: cool.  thanks!
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[17:08:37] <wyer> babo, message pack has some cool things i would like to look at though, like parallel pipelining it also supports asynchronous calls http://wiki.msgpack.org/display/MSGPACK/RPC+specification so as a backing technology thats pretty cool
[17:09:11] <wyer> babo, but the IDL needs to fufill the needs you mentioned above
[17:10:23] <errantepiphany> babo: pls lemme know when you've finished deploying. Gonna go grab some coffee...
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[17:13:52] <rcernich> babo, wyer: msgpack looks pretty cool
[17:15:40] <rcernich> babo, wyer: w.r.t. web services, it seems like anytime you try to step outside "standard" protocols (e.g. soap/xml), you're on your own.
[17:15:44] <babo> errantepiphany:  might be Friday by the time this is done.  Note to self : do not deploy to Nexus from iPhone connection.
[17:16:17] <babo> rcernich: that's why I think it's important to pick one of these protocol libs that enjoys wide popularity across other languages
[17:16:43] <babo> rcernich:  but I have no idea what that is, atm :-)
[17:16:47] <rcernich> babo: absolutely
[17:17:08] <babo> rcernich:  I don't think python folks are digging on SOAP
[17:17:24] <rcernich> babo: i could see a need for different protocol libraries too
[17:17:49] <wyer> babo, if you're a SOAP client python is great with suds, making a SOAP service in python is pure hell tho
[17:18:14] <rcernich> babo: coming from the FIX world, most OSS ESBs force you into XML/SOAP
[17:18:35] <wyer> rcernich, which is crap :P
[17:18:41] <babo> wyer: interesting - I didn't know that about suds
[17:19:01] <wyer> babo, suds saves lives
[17:19:57] <rcernich> wyer: right
[17:20:04] <babo> rcernich: absolutely XML/SOAP is a critical format
[17:20:13] <wyer> babo, well i would love if service mix supported something else in addition to SOAP
[17:20:49] <babo> babo:  but going to other protocols/encodings can be like falling off a cliff sometimes with ESBs
[17:20:55] <babo> rcernich:  ^
[17:21:30] <rcernich> babo: absolutely.  that's where i was going with my comment.
[17:21:33] <babo> wyer:  so it sounds like you can contribute some great requirements here
[17:21:58] <babo> errantepiphany: core is deployed
[17:22:12] <babo> my car is done ... i'm outta here.  Back online in about an hour.
[17:22:16] <errantepiphany> babo: thx
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[18:53:39] <GitHub67> [components/master] SWITCHYARD-326 bumped hornetQ version to 2.2.2 to address compilation issues and updated test to reflect Deployer method change - Keith Babo
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[21:55:23] <kcbabo> wtf ? my im client is just randomly crashing
[21:56:24] <antollinim> kcbabo: which one do you use?
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[21:56:52] <kcbabo> antollinim:  Adium
[21:57:44] <antollinim> kcbabo: just to know; I am in windows
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[22:16:03] <kcbabo> rcernich_away:  just fyi - I'm gonna spend some time on the console and admin stuff tomorrow
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