January 31, 2017 
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January 31, 2017 [00:00:41] *** illogik_ <illogik_!~illogik@65.244.37.61> has joined #smartos[00:01:31] *** illogik__ <illogik__!~illogik@adfb3524.cst.lightpath.net> has joined #smartos[00:01:56] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[00:03:17] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:03:38] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[00:04:40] *** illogik_ <illogik_!~illogik@65.244.37.61> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:05:10] *** illogik <illogik!~illogik@adfb3524.cst.lightpath.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:05:50] *** illogik__ <illogik__!~illogik@adfb3524.cst.lightpath.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:06:25] <jperkin> /etc/logadm.conf[00:06:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[00:07:39] *** ShalokShalom <ShalokShalom!~quassel@194-96-124-9.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #smartos[00:09:00] <jzu_> nbjoerg: heh well.. the logadm thing, friend of mine opened github issue about it back in 2013/2014[00:09:08] <jzu_> nbjoerg: when we first started using SmartOS[00:09:27] <jzu_> https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/issues/319[00:09:36] <jzu_> yeah 2014 it was[00:10:03] <nbjoerg> heh[00:10:41] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[00:10:57] *** SamiP <SamiP!73924c08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.146.76.8> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:14:53] *** idksmartos <idksmartos!73924c08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.146.76.8> has joined #smartos[00:15:08] <idksmartos> hi all[00:15:59] <idksmartos> can anyone provide me with asssistance on how to migrate Linux VM that is currently running on SmartOS over to ESXi?[00:17:05] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[00:21:06] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[00:25:47] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[00:29:48] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:30:33] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-145-123.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:30:46] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-145-123.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #smartos[00:30:54] <jzu_> idksmartos: specific reason for moving from SmartOS to ESXi?[00:35:29] <idksmartos> sorry, lack of support for production systems available locally[00:36:31] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[00:40:13] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@90.193.56.27> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[00:40:28] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:42:29] *** Gathis <Gathis!~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:43:07] <modernpacifist> idksmartos: If its a KVM and a supported version of Linux, you should be able to use something like VMWare Converter[00:43:41] <modernpacifist> If its an LX zone, there would be no migration path[00:44:17] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[00:46:24] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:48:00] <idksmartos> for the LX zone, would Clonezilla work?[00:48:00] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:48:02] *** jocthbr_ <jocthbr_!~jocthbr@168-205-125-7.host.brasildigital.net.br> has joined #smartos[00:48:14] <idksmartos> what about Veeam backup and restore?[00:48:41] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[00:49:21] <idksmartos> or possibly StorageCraft backup/restore?[00:50:43] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@174-126-190-180.cpe.cableone.net> has joined #smartos[00:50:49] <modernpacifist> Somewhere between doubtful and no - the way LX/OS zones are designed is that they are simpy a collection of files (constituting the filesystem of the zone) that are sitting elsewhere in the zpool. The operating system gives the very convincing illusion that these entities are completely isolated virtual machines, but in reality they aren't[00:51:08] *** jocthbr__ <jocthbr__!~jocthbr@177.37.250.23> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:52:43] <idksmartos> oh, that's all new to me :([00:52:44] *** potatosa_ <potatosa_!~potatosal@104.200.154.32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:53:01] <idksmartos> anyone know of any SmartOS consultants in Brisbane that might be able to help me?[00:53:46] <idksmartos> either to support what will stay on SmartOS and assist wtih some migrations?[00:56:32] <modernpacifist> Those cloning tools focus on doing a block-by-block copy of the underlying virtual disks, which don't exist with zones (sorry, distracted). The zones (LX/OS) are known as non-global zones and they need to be launched by a global zone[00:58:03] <modernpacifist> In theory you could migrate any binaries/configuration data relevant to your application from the LX zone to a Linux VM and it would work (as the binaries are compatible), but the LX zone images have several OS required pieces stripped out because they aren't nessecary (hardware init and various other things)[00:58:12] *** jocthbr__ <jocthbr__!~jocthbr@177.72.189.58> has joined #smartos[01:01:31] *** jocthbr_ <jocthbr_!~jocthbr@168-205-125-7.host.brasildigital.net.br> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:02:41] *** jocthbr_ <jocthbr_!~jocthbr@177.37.250.23> has joined #smartos[01:06:06] *** jocthbr__ <jocthbr__!~jocthbr@177.72.189.58> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:18:59] *** io_bora <io_bora!~io_bora@35.128.10.175> has joined #smartos[01:19:19] <mfa298> idksmartos: as modernpacifist has indicated the first thing to do is work out what flavour the zones are in smartos (native / LX / KVM) as that will affect what you can or can't do for migrating stuff.[01:20:15] <mfa298> alternatively spend a few hours getting an idea of how smartos works and embrace the power of things like ZFS and dtrace[01:24:59] *** trcm <trcm!~tom@49.255.232.46> has joined #smartos[01:26:00] *** ShalokShalom <ShalokShalom!~quassel@194-96-124-9.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:27:05] *** ShalokShalom <ShalokShalom!~quassel@194-96-124-9.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #smartos[01:32:13] *** a5m0 <a5m0!~a5m0@unaffiliated/a5m0> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:33:01] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:33:46] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[01:34:03] *** a5m0 <a5m0!~a5m0@unaffiliated/a5m0> has joined #smartos[01:42:58] *** pvs_ <pvs_!~pvs@lopsa/member/pvs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:43:32] *** 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@modernpacifist thanks for all your feedback pal[02:01:06] *** io_bora <io_bora!~io_bora@35.128.10.175> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:01:08] *** daleg <daleg!~daleg@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC ()[02:05:53] *** trentm <trentm!~Adium@199.58.193.130> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:06:13] <jzu_> idksmartos: did someone set the environment up and leave the comapny?[02:06:24] <jzu_> idksmartos: doesn't sound like it's you who has set it up in the first place[02:13:08] <idksmartos> someone else did set it up and had moved on, but still helps out in a pinch. the current guy I have who can support it is now also moving on and trying to find someone who know's SmartOS is very hard[02:13:09] *** trcm <trcm!~tom@49.255.232.46> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:13:27] <mfa298> one thing to be aware of, if the smartos environment is using OS/LZ zones the equivalent VMware box will likely need a lot more ram than the smartos one.[02:13:56] <idksmartos> we are not short on RAM in the new tin[02:14:05] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:14:06] <idksmartos> just short on skills to support smartos[02:14:50] <mfa298> I moved my home setup away from ESXi to smartos back in the summer because it should be better on resources and I don't need full raid cards to get disk redundancy with smartos.[02:15:51] <wiedi> not sure if you need someone local, but if remote would be ok I'm sure you'd find someone to support you with smartos[02:15:53] *** trcm <trcm!~tom@49.255.232.46> has joined #smartos[02:16:12] <jzu_> yeah, I could do remote.. :p[02:17:10] <mfa298> you ought to be able to pick up the basics of smartos fairly quickly (I'm not saying smartos is the right option, but don't just discount it because you don't know it yet)[02:17:57] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:18:52] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[02:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #smartos[02:20:10] <idksmartos> @mfa298 I spend a good 15 years on HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, RHEL, SCO Unix/Xenix and as an IT manager this stuff scares the bejezus out of me when it comes to being able to readily find skilled resources[02:20:22] <idksmartos> and I don't want to get onto the tools myself :([02:20:32] <idksmartos> *spent[02:21:30] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has joined #smartos[02:21:59] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:25:41] <nbjoerg> pkgin is not a pkg_install tool[02:25:44] <nbjoerg> just saying...[02:26:40] <modernpacifist> If you've got experience in Solaris, then the underlying concepts of SmartOS shouldn't be hugely foreign. It would only take an uninitiated person a day or so to come to terms with basic SmartOS operations (creating/managing/destroying VMs)[02:30:10] <idksmartos> @modernpacifist indeed you may be correct, but my strategy does not include keeping SmartOS around in the longer term. I do need help to migrate away where feasible, or to rebuild on VMware where necessary. If anyone wants some contract work getting things off of LZ/OS zones and into ESXi, please let me know...[02:31:38] <jzu_> ping me[02:31:51] <jzu_> jussi at jus dot si[02:33:28] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has quit IRC (Quit: chendy)[02:33:55] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has joined #smartos[02:36:19] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[02:41:23] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:43:47] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has quit IRC (Quit: chendy)[02:46:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[02:47:08] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has joined #smartos[02:50:02] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@50-93-248-179.fttp.usinternet.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[02:51:08] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:53:36] *** saskaloon <saskaloon!~toor@indefeasible.indelect.net> has joined #smartos[02:55:10] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has joined #smartos[02:56:55] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has quit IRC (Quit: chendy)[02:57:33] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[02:59:24] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p54BC7DDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:01:19] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has joined #smartos[03:02:11] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[03:02:23] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:02:53] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[03:07:24] *** io_bora <io_bora!~io_bora@162.252.136.127> has joined #smartos[03:07:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[03:09:03] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has joined #smartos[03:11:53] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:13:03] * LeftWing never really understood management fear of differnet UNIX OSes[03:13:10] <LeftWing> *different[03:13:10] *** cburroughs <cburroughs!~cburrough@pool-71-120-19-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:13:32] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:13:56] <theandromedan> LeftWing: Amen[03:14:21] <LeftWing> I recall my boss at the University was fine with whatever the technical staff wanted to do, but _his_ boss... good lord, the fear.[03:14:52] <theandromedan> You can't make decisions based on fear.[03:15:01] <LeftWing> People do all the time, though.[03:15:04] <theandromedan> Any decision based on fear is a bad decision[03:15:26] <LeftWing> Depends how big the bear is![03:15:58] <theandromedan> Just means you have to run faster than the next guy. :-)[03:16:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[03:20:41] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:24:37] <idksmartos> mate it's not fear. it's risk management 101, cost/benefit analysis, HR and capability planning, proactive problem management, IT service management, and so on[03:25:45] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:26:44] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[03:27:05] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:28:16] <LeftWing> I remember all of that, too.[03:29:27] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #smartos[03:30:10] <LeftWing> I'm not trying to change your mind, just reminded of the practical reality that all of these operating systems are more similar than different. And that any technical person worth hiring will, regardless of the specific skills on their resume, be just fine with any of them.[03:30:58] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:31:38] <LeftWing> I'd be more worried about the general reliability of a SAN to stick behind VMware than figuring out how to use the same shell, text editor, file copying tools, etc, on a slightly different UNIX.[03:32:51] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:33:17] <idksmartos> really? please explain?[03:33:47] <jzu_> if the storage says "SAN" it doesn't mean it's Enterprise grade SAN storage[03:33:51] <LeftWing> Well, most VMware deployments end up involving networked storage of some kind. If you're looking at VMware, I imagine you're looking at a SAN and a disk array as well.[03:34:07] <jzu_> ie. Dell Compellent, Oracle Pillar etc. = shit[03:34:11] <LeftWing> Networked storage is extremely complicated when compared to local storage (like what SmartOS uses)[03:34:20] <idksmartos> HP 3PAR?[03:34:32] <LeftWing> Good lord.[03:34:32] <jzu_> idksmartos: HP's top-of-the-line happens to be HDS... ;-)[03:34:39] <jzu_> idksmartos: for a reason[03:35:51] <idksmartos> I'm not using 3PAR but I was wondering if you were implying that is bad or not?[03:36:31] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[03:37:21] <LeftWing> I would steer well clear of any expensive proprietary storage solution[03:37:32] <idksmartos> including HP MSA?[03:37:45] <LeftWing> I would steer clear of HP as a vendor, period.[03:37:51] <idksmartos> lol[03:37:54] <idksmartos> sorry[03:38:06] <jzu_> I've seen 3PAR installed by HP tech, it had a paper note on the rack door "Do NOT close the cabinet door, fiber cables will be bent" = the cables sticked out of the rack, wtf[03:39:00] <idksmartos> @jzu_ I've seen many horror stories too from various vendors[03:39:35] <LeftWing> We try and steer our customers toward some combination of Dell machines with very specific parts (i.e. no hardware RAID, etc), and Supermicro.[03:39:59] <idksmartos> oh lord[03:40:00] <LeftWing> HP systems have been pretty hard for us to support.[03:40:03] *** chendy <chendy!~alexc@121.34.144.242> has quit IRC (Quit: chendy)[03:40:31] <LeftWing> HP themselves make it pretty difficult, and they've made a lot of unfortunate choices in the composition of their systems -- from the BIOS/firmware, the iLO management parts, right up to the Smart Array storage controllers.[03:40:52] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:40:58] <idksmartos> I had over 200 remote project sites at my last organistaion all running HP servers and some with SANs and never had issues getting support[03:41:13] <idksmartos> now with SmartOS, its a completely different story[03:43:50] <LeftWing> I think it depends on your expectations[03:44:18] <LeftWing> The latest round of HP test systems we have have made it pretty hard, for instance, to use the firmware setup stuff without a mouse[03:44:34] <LeftWing> But it has a very nice high-res bitmap firmware loading screen, so I guess that's nice.[03:45:12] <LeftWing> On the other hand, it's extremely difficult to get it to correctly redirect firmware output to the IPMI serial-over-LAN virtual port, but still allow the OS to control said serial port later in boot[03:46:22] <LeftWing> It's also been hard, or impossible, to buy most of these systems with an IT-mode LSI HBA rather than the Smart Array controller[03:47:02] <patcable> oof, my back still remembers spending a day replacing HBA's in HP servers[03:47:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[03:48:17] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:48:45] <patcable> it was pretty straightforward for my replacement in $org-1 to pick up smartos, but he was a decent linux admin[03:48:50] <patcable> i suppose it depends on what youre hiring for[03:48:58] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[03:49:00] <LeftWing> Right, you do have to be able to tie your own shoelaces without supervision. :P[03:49:14] *** io_bora <io_bora!~io_bora@162.252.136.127> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:50:54] <LeftWing> I think if you're good at, and understand, UNIX administration (whether FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris, or otherwise) you'll be fine.[03:51:11] <patcable> that said: its definitely hard to hire, so i understand that[03:51:23] <LeftWing> It is, but I don't think the technology choice makes it easier to hire[03:51:25] <LeftWing> It just _seems_ easier.[03:51:32] <LeftWing> "Look at all these people with RHEL on their resume!"[03:51:45] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:52:00] <LeftWing> They might be great, or they might be awful. It's pretty hard to tell based on the particular tribal banners they're waving around in their resume.[03:53:31] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[03:57:19] *** trentm <trentm!~Adium@S01061c1b689f0aa5.vn.shawcable.net> has joined #smartos[04:03:34] *** chromatin <chromatin!~chromatin@d149-67-249-75.try.wideopenwest.com> has joined #smartos[04:12:08] <idksmartos> what about if their resume says VMware certified professional? Is there something similar for SmartOS? It would help me I believe. BTW, I wear slip-ons :)[04:13:04] <chromatin> idksmartos: I was just thinking about that today, in terms of gaining mindshare. Gave an upvote to a random reddit user who posted about running smartOS[04:15:45] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:16:13] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[04:20:08] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:27:31] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[04:31:28] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:33:13] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:34:01] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has quit IRC (Quit: jcea)[04:34:01] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[04:36:33] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[04:40:28] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:47:55] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[04:50:46] *** dr_ <dr_!~textual@c-73-73-184-174.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[04:52:47] *** EngineerNate1 <EngineerNate1!~androirc@2605:ef80:10f:52cb::> has joined #smartos[04:53:23] <EngineerNate1> Hi all, quick question. What specifically is different about the CoaL image?[04:57:17] <LeftWing> EngineerNate1: I believe it's just wrapped up in a VMware Fusion image.[04:57:40] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has joined #smartos[04:57:40] <EngineerNate1> Is it possible to install that on esxi?[04:57:51] <melloc> There's also some assumptions about networking, I believe.[04:58:03] <EngineerNate1> Or would i be better off pulling down the standard image for that[04:58:12] <LeftWing> melloc: Well, I think those are just VMware Fusion networking configuration steps[04:58:53] <EngineerNate1> Looking to run my headnode virtualized while pxe booting a secondary physical server[04:58:55] <LeftWing> EngineerNate1: I'd probably just use the regular USB image for ESXi. Can you easily create an 8GB IDE disk with a raw image on it?[04:59:05] <EngineerNate1> Yeah[04:59:17] <EngineerNate1> No problem there[04:59:30] <LeftWing> It's been a while since I've used ESXi; can you get a terminal attached to the serial port of the VM?[04:59:55] <EngineerNate1> I was wondering if the coal image was optimized for less resources or something[05:00:11] <LeftWing> No, it is byte-for-byte identical to the USB image, I think.[05:00:12] <modernpacifist> LeftWing: Not that I've ever discovered (ESX serial port attachment)[05:00:46] <LeftWing> If you can't use the serial port as the system console, that's very sad! Make sure to switch the system console to VGA in the grub menu.[05:01:10] <EngineerNate1> Hmmm[05:01:16] <EngineerNate1> I know nothing about that[05:01:22] <EngineerNate1> I'll have to check[05:02:02] <EngineerNate1> What would be really cool is if you could run Triton inside a smart OS zone[05:02:11] <EngineerNate1> Vs kvm[05:02:11] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:02:21] <LeftWing> Well, Triton runs in a number of SmartOS zones[05:02:45] <LeftWing> plus some global zone agents, but still[05:02:54] <EngineerNate1> What i mean is, use a zone to "limit" it's resource usage[05:03:05] <EngineerNate1> Have it think that the zone it's in is global[05:03:41] <EngineerNate1> As if the baremetal smartos install was the Esxi in that type of setup[05:03:46] <LeftWing> To do that without extensively modifying the software, we'd need to do nested zones[05:03:51] <LeftWing> and that's a pretty big undertaking[05:04:01] <EngineerNate1> Yeah that's what I've gathered[05:04:19] <LeftWing> With some coaxing, you can run a Triton headnode in SmartOS KVM though.[05:04:24] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@174-126-190-180.cpe.cableone.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[05:04:37] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[05:04:38] <EngineerNate1> It'd just be a cool way to run a test environment with minimal performance impact (no hardware virtualization)[05:04:42] <LeftWing> You just need to turn some of the network spoofing protection off, which is obviously not a thing we'd let you do in our cloud[05:04:46] <LeftWing> But you can certainly do it on your own machine[05:05:10] <LeftWing> In fact, my Manta test environment is a series of six KVM VMs on a SmartOS host in our lab.[05:05:17] <LeftWing> (a headnode, and five CNs)[05:09:29] *** EngineerNate1 <EngineerNate1!~androirc@2605:ef80:10f:52cb::> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:12:05] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:15:40] *** EngineerNate2 <EngineerNate2!~androirc@71-88-220-187.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com> has joined #smartos[05:16:37] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[05:16:40] <EngineerNate2> Irc does not like connection changes[05:16:51] <EngineerNate2> Let me read back what you said.[05:17:57] <EngineerNate2> @LeftWing[05:18:34] <EngineerNate2> I think i wasn't clear, I was hoping to run Triton inside a Joyent branded zone[05:18:40] <EngineerNate2> Instead of KVM[05:19:13] <modernpacifist> EngineerNate2: There is no easy path to achieve that[05:19:23] <EngineerNate2> That's what I've gathered.[05:19:54] <modernpacifist> Aside from the agents that sit in the global zones of the CNs that communicate VM information back to the head node, Triton itself consists of a series of zones that host the various backend services that make Triton work[05:20:16] <modernpacifist> And make assumptions around a particular network layout being available[05:20:24] <EngineerNate2> Yes[05:21:13] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:21:27] <EngineerNate2> Would there be much performance difference between running it in a smartOS kvm vs esxi given the same resources?[05:23:03] <modernpacifist> Typical ESX design involves shared storage behind a SAN so there would be the performance penalty from shared storage. Any CPU bound tasks would likely perform similarly. Disk I/O would probably take a hit (local vs shared) and network I/O should perform okay assuming the right network architecture can be presented[05:23:10] *** trcm <trcm!~tom@49.255.232.46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[05:24:04] <EngineerNate2> Storage would be local either way[05:24:07] <EngineerNate2> This is in my lab[05:24:33] <modernpacifist> Although by virtualising the storage behind VMWare's drivers and/or a SAN would potentially render ZFS's data integrity features unreliable[05:25:14] <EngineerNate2> Triton has piqued my interest, and I'm looking for the best way to play with it in a way that a. Makes it not run terribly, and b. Doesn't require dedicating one of my boxes just to the head node[05:25:22] *** trcm <trcm!~tom@49.255.232.46> has joined #smartos[05:25:51] <EngineerNate2> Since i need other services on the hardware[05:26:14] <modernpacifist> It should be possible to run it in ESX generally, but be aware that you may face problems not seen on bare-metal hardware.[05:26:20] <EngineerNate2> Of course[05:26:33] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[05:26:38] <EngineerNate2> If i run it on KVM under a smart OS install[05:27:27] <EngineerNate2> Would it then be possible to manage that smart os install from the Triton instance? Or is that kind of recursive setup nonsensical[05:28:01] <EngineerNate2> Obviously there'd be some boot order issues.[05:28:35] <modernpacifist> Haha theres an inception example. No, it wouldn't be possible[05:28:42] <EngineerNate2> Okay[05:28:55] <EngineerNate2> I was thinking of how vcenter can technically manage it's own host[05:29:02] <EngineerNate2> Even if it's not best practice[05:29:21] <modernpacifist> As one example, compute nodes actually fetch the operating system to boot from the headnode at boot up[05:29:28] <EngineerNate2> Yes[05:29:59] <EngineerNate2> I was unsure if there was a way to add an already running node to a head node[05:31:07] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:31:10] <EngineerNate2> (I'm not in this field professionally, so apologies for my ignorance)[05:31:12] <modernpacifist> You can't take a vanilla SmartOS node and 'upgrade' it to a Triton CN, it has to be initialised as one from the beginning of the CNs life[05:31:49] <modernpacifist> While its possible to move CNs to another head node, they would need to begin life attached to some head node[05:31:57] <EngineerNate2> Gotcha[05:33:50] <EngineerNate2> My expectation is to run all of my actual services on a bare metal pxe booted node, so my data integrity/zfs features should for the most part be okay.[05:34:27] <modernpacifist> As in run your compute nodes on bare metal?[05:34:33] <EngineerNate2> Yes[05:35:16] <modernpacifist> In theory an ESX based headnode and bare metal CNs would be viable[05:35:38] <modernpacifist> if its of any help as well, it is possible to allow zone/VM provisioning on the headnode itself[05:35:55] <modernpacifist> This is typically only recommended for development purposes, like CoaL[05:37:26] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[05:37:44] <EngineerNate2> Yeah that's what i was trying to avoid[05:38:00] <EngineerNate2> The box i wanted to run the head node on is my router[05:38:43] <EngineerNate2> I'd like for that portion of its functionality to remain untouched so resource conflicts with the Triton install would be problematic[05:41:22] <EngineerNate2> My router box is way overspecced for that purpose so I'd like to utilize the extra resources somehow. I'm just sorting out the best topology for my needs.[05:41:48] <modernpacifist> Fair enough - not everyone has a spare headnode worth of resources lying around[05:41:55] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:42:08] <modernpacifist> So while its technically possible, don't use it as a performance benchmark :)[05:42:16] <EngineerNate2> I could scrounge that up easily enough[05:42:30] <EngineerNate2> It's the power usage I'm trying to get around haha[05:42:39] <modernpacifist> And ESX networking might need some tweaking somewhere, particularly around security where it might guard against some types of traffic Triton needs, but I don't think it does that by default...[05:42:43] <EngineerNate2> And noise.[05:46:38] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[05:52:11] *** trentm <trentm!~Adium@S01061c1b689f0aa5.vn.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[06:02:40] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:02:56] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:03:48] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[06:06:40] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[06:10:57] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[06:17:27] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[06:21:41] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[06:26:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[06:30:53] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[06:37:55] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[06:40:44] *** poige_ <poige_!~poige@14.207.79.235> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:42:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:44:42] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:ed53:5bea:d6f1:13ff> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:45:18] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:c419:d972:f87d:1ced> has joined #smartos[06:46:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[06:47:54] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:48:49] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[06:51:38] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:53:23] *** poige_ <poige_!~poige@183.89.52.109> has joined #smartos[06:56:57] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[06:57:21] *** daleg <daleg!~daleg@pool-71-178-185-207.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net> has joined #smartos[07:00:35] *** trcm <trcm!~tom@49.255.232.46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:02:57] *** trcm <trcm!~tom@49.255.232.46> has joined #smartos[07:06:14] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@75-54-22-158.lightspeed.snbuca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #smartos[07:07:25] *** tab_ <tab_!~tab_@176.12.107.132> has joined #smartos[07:10:42] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@75-54-22-158.lightspeed.snbuca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[07:10:52] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has joined #smartos[07:11:35] *** poige_ <poige_!~poige@183.89.52.109> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:15:24] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:22:00] *** frozon <frozon!~textual@239.202.154.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #smartos[07:25:10] *** poige_ <poige_!~poige@183.89.48.205> has joined #smartos[07:28:07] *** tab_ <tab_!~tab_@176.12.107.132> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[07:31:29] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[07:33:07] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:33:54] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[07:38:07] *** tab_ <tab_!~tab_@176.12.107.132> has joined #smartos[07:42:29] *** tab_ <tab_!~tab_@176.12.107.132> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[07:57:30] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[08:01:35] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:05:56] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has joined #smartos[08:06:31] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[08:10:35] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:16:42] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[08:17:35] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:17:57] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[08:33:22] <LeftWing> EngineerNate2: Well, we make heavy use of VMware Fusion (on Macbooks) for development and testing. Though there will be some ESX-specific things, we may be able to help out on some level![08:33:47] <EngineerNate2> Thanks![08:34:20] <EngineerNate2> I'm getting my networking sorted first. Then I'll be ready for the Triton install.[08:34:33] <EngineerNate2> You guys are awesomely helpful, truly appreciate it.[08:39:05] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:43:01] *** KermitTheFragger <KermitTheFragger!~KermitThe@gateway.serviceplanet.nl> has joined #smartos[08:46:38] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[08:50:02] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:50:04] *** wizard113 <wizard113!~Adium@astound-66-234-218-247.ca.astound.net> has joined #smartos[08:50:38] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[08:54:51] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[08:58:11] *** frozon <frozon!~textual@239.202.154.77.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:02:34] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:03:03] *** Meths 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I tried nrpe, but nrpe won't run as root, and sdc-healthcheck (for example) must be run as root. It appears the headnode does not have snmp.[16:16:26] <ndsmith> Any known solutions for using nagios? 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I'll try it on a local host first then.[17:58:41] <dragunov11> any pointers/tips on which is the stable platform version for now ?[17:59:15] <jzu_> not actually, we go for the latest a few days or a week after it's released[17:59:38] <jzu_> has most up to date fixes :)[17:59:45] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@2602:304:b361:69e0:8871:6d81:3cc8:c46a> has joined #smartos[18:00:03] <dragunov11> good idea, so i'll go with the second last update maybe.[18:00:26] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:00:31] <bsmithx10> lolololololololol bahamat arekinath rmustacc figured out my issue "_"[18:00:33] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@50-93-248-179.fttp.usinternet.com> has joined #smartos[18:00:46] <jzu_> just monitor smartos-discuss and such for alerts if something goes wrong with the release[18:00:54] <jzu_> bsmithx10: what was the issue?[18:00:59] <bsmithx10> You can't bring up only instance in the postgres shard in manta[18:01:04] <bsmithx10> you need 2[18:01:14] <dragunov11> jzu_: 20170119T014200Z , this is the last one, seems fine. I've been reading smartos-discuss regularly though[18:01:20] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:01:24] <bsmithx10> or it wont init the database[18:01:31] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has joined #smartos[18:01:31] *** potatosalad <potatosalad!~potatosal@174-126-190-180.cpe.cableone.net> has joined #smartos[18:01:34] *** BlimpYar_ <BlimpYar_!~stalwart@176.56.32.69> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[18:01:34] <bsmithx10> :([18:02:02] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:02:34] <jzu_> dragunov11: yeah I don't see why not go for the latest, the previous one has unfixed issues :)[18:03:06] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[18:03:10] <dragunov11> yeah, i'd read the previous one had issues.[18:03:45] <dragunov11> this host am talking about, i'll be upgrade it from 20160204T173339Z . hopefully no breaking change ?[18:03:45] *** BlimpYard <BlimpYard!~stalwart@176.56.32.69> has joined #smartos[18:04:30] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has joined #smartos[18:05:12] <jzu_> you can always downgrade by booting the old image :)[18:05:20] <jzu_> that's the idea of platform image[18:05:44] <jzu_> been using SmartOS since 2013, not a single downgrade[18:06:25] *** AndrewH <AndrewH!~Adium@cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust393.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[18:06:25] <dragunov11> True, just that sometime i read that someone had upgraded, got trouble and didn't boot, downgraded to the working version, didn't work as well.[18:06:39] <dragunov11> Oh, thats quite some time.[18:08:38] <SillySophist> wizard113_: `imgadm vacuum` ?[18:13:26] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak@94.142.238.104> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:16:37] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak@94.142.238.104> has joined #smartos[18:19:57] *** EngineerNate2 <EngineerNate2!~androirc@71-88-220-187.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com> has joined #smartos[18:20:08] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:20:15] *** gh34 <gh34!~textual@66.195.151.70> has joined #smartos[18:21:24] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has joined #smartos[18:21:39] *** dragunov11 <dragunov11!b63b4184@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.59.65.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:23:32] <ndsmith> I'm going to be putting snmp on the headnode via pkgin and going from there[18:26:36] *** illogik <illogik!~illogik@adfb3524.cst.lightpath.net> has joined #smartos[18:27:10] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 269 seconds)[18:29:36] *** illogik <illogik!~illogik@adfb3524.cst.lightpath.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:31:46] *** yruss972 <yruss972!~yruss972@82.166.84.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:33:36] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak@94.142.238.104> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:35:50] *** illogik <illogik!~illogik@adfb3524.cst.lightpath.net> has joined #smartos[18:36:00] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak@94.142.238.104> has joined #smartos[18:39:05] *** dr_ <dr_!~textual@174-152-255-120.pools.spcsdns.net> has joined #smartos[18:42:06] *** CaTtleyA <CaTtleyA!~CaTtleyA@lfbn-1-3377-77.w90-127.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #smartos[18:45:13] *** Gathis <Gathis!~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis> has joined #smartos[18:46:38] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:46:38] *** igork <igork!~igork@91.204.58.44> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:46:43] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[18:47:08] *** Meths <Meths!~meths@95.151.244.241> has joined #smartos[18:50:48] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:51:08] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@2602:304:b361:69e0:8871:6d81:3cc8:c46a> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[18:53:28] *** igork <igork!~igork@178.162.50.254> has joined #smartos[18:53:42] <ndsmith> I have an smf file in /opt/custom/smf, and manifest-import finds it. I can then enable it. but after reboot it does not start[18:53:45] <ndsmith> is that expected?[18:56:09] <mhicks1> ndsmith: does the smf manifest have a stanza specifying[18:56:11] <mhicks1> <create_default_instance enabled='false'/>[18:56:32] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[18:56:35] <mhicks1> or for a named instance specifying enabled='false'[18:57:24] <mhicks1> if so you will want to change it to[18:57:25] <mhicks1> <create_default_instance enabled='true'/>[18:57:48] <ndsmith> it does, I'll flip that to true[19:00:28] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:07:31] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has joined #smartos[19:10:05] *** bens1 <bens1!~bens1@161.122.2.81.in-addr.arpa> has quit IRC (Quit: bens1)[19:10:31] *** CaTtleyA <CaTtleyA!~CaTtleyA@lfbn-1-3377-77.w90-127.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[19:11:28] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:15:37] <ndsmith> mhicks1: worked. thanks![19:15:39] <konobi> you can have services that are imported, but don't have a default instance, because it's in circular dependency with another service (spamd + postfix, for example)[19:15:47] *** dr_ <dr_!~textual@174-152-255-120.pools.spcsdns.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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