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[07:36:16] <jzu_> rmustacc: but I haven't yet seen it during my brief look
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[09:38:57] <tuxillo> morning
[09:39:35] <jzu_> morning
[09:40:18] <wilbury> hi
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[13:45:09] <muxdaemon> Hi. Is there any information public on what Samsung are using Triton/SmartOS for? In particular, is it being considered for consumer markets?
[13:46:06] <muxdaemon> In smartphones, IoT, that kind of thing
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[13:58:18] <nbjoerg> highly unlikely
[14:00:34] <muxdaemon> So most likely for public/private cloud?
[14:00:58] <KermitTheFragger> muxdaemon: judging from the SDC mailing list; private cloud
[14:01:25] <KermitTheFragger> to host their own stuff
[14:01:31] <muxdaemon> Triton public is going?
[14:01:32] <KermitTheFragger> but I could be totally off here
[14:01:42] <KermitTheFragger> not to my knowledge? why?
[14:01:53] <muxdaemon> That's public cloud
[14:02:17] <muxdaemon> Are they going to stop selling SDC?
[14:02:22] <KermitTheFragger> so? Samsung just seems to use Triton software for their own private cloud
[14:02:30] <KermitTheFragger> why would they do that?
[14:02:59] <KermitTheFragger> I think they see it more as securing something they consider a critical supplier
[14:03:16] <KermitTheFragger> but thats all speculation
[14:03:23] <muxdaemon> That is been left largely autonomous?
[14:03:48] <muxdaemon> Or will the Joyent brand go?
[14:04:11] <KermitTheFragger> i doubt they'll let the brand go
[14:04:31] <muxdaemon> interesting
[14:04:34] <KermitTheFragger> Samsung is all kinds of industries. This is different then lets say Oracle buying Sun
[14:04:42] <KermitTheFragger> Oracle bought a peer
[14:04:58] <muxdaemon> and destroyed it. Cheers Oracle
[14:05:17] <KermitTheFragger> Samsung is a conglomerate by itself
[14:05:39] <muxdaemon> I need to read more about them
[14:05:59] <KermitTheFragger> so they are more used to owning individual entities. Samsung makes everything from phones to weapons
[14:06:43] <muxdaemon> The reason I ask is I have a project that I'm planning on using SmartOS for and before I get embedded in it I want to make sure it's not going way, otherwise I'll be looking at Linux and I don't think it's suitable for the job
[14:06:55] <jperkin> SmartOS and SDC aren't going away
[14:07:00] <muxdaemon> Sweet
[14:07:18] <KermitTheFragger> I just started a project with Triton
[14:07:49] <muxdaemon> The full stack?
[14:07:57] <KermitTheFragger> the full monty
[14:08:05] <muxdaemon> three card flush
[14:08:14] <muxdaemon> What scale?
[14:08:26] <KermitTheFragger> pretty small, but big for us :-)
[14:08:49] <KermitTheFragger> were a small company, about 40 people
[14:09:08] <KermitTheFragger> so your not going to see an amazon scale deployment from us :-)
[14:10:05] <muxdaemon> world doesn't need any more of those!
[14:10:07] <KermitTheFragger> having said all this; Its a fast changing world. Look at what happend to Sun with Oracle. Or more recent; Cisco canceling their cloud.
[14:10:22] <muxdaemon> yeah but Cisco
[14:10:42] <muxdaemon> Thankfully Sun had people smart enough to keep the core tech going
[14:10:43] <KermitTheFragger> HP also canceled their cloud sometime before that
[14:10:52] <muxdaemon> Cisco is a dinosaur
[14:11:01] <KermitTheFragger> true
[14:11:04] <muxdaemon> Yep. Openstack?
[14:11:13] <KermitTheFragger> HP was openstack
[14:11:25] <muxdaemon> yes. I think they were doing some of that in Bristol
[14:11:34] <KermitTheFragger> my point is; products get canceled all the time ;-)
[14:11:42] <muxdaemon> Oh, don't say that!
[14:11:56] <muxdaemon> I'm sure it'll live on. I'll keep the faith
[14:11:57] <nbjoerg> public cloud and semi-private cloud are quite different things
[14:12:31] <KermitTheFragger> I'm definitly not a fan of acquisitions but I think Joyent being bought by Samsung is good. They were going to be bought by someone. That was inevitable.
[14:13:02] <muxdaemon> Now, would they have sold to Larry for a high enough price?
[14:13:38] <KermitTheFragger> Joyent? Maybe, maybe not, who knows
[14:14:06] <muxdaemon> well, at least that didn't happen. Samsung is a good home for now.
[14:14:11] <KermitTheFragger> upside from being bought by Samsung is that Larry is off the table. Thats a win in my books.
[14:14:24] <muxdaemon> definitely
[14:15:04] <KermitTheFragger> so I think Triton / SmartOS is a pretty safe bet right now.
[14:17:03] <nbjoerg> Sign up for a cloud account, get a bomb^Wphone for free!
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[15:37:21] <GS> mandoc: overlay_files.4:12:33: WARNING: whitespace at end of input line
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[16:04:56] <nonesuch> nahamu: Go 1.7.4 nice
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[16:47:14] <rmustacc> jzu_: Erm, it's there.
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[17:38:13] <jzu_> rmustacc: hmm, is it documented in man page?
[17:38:36] <jzu_> rmustacc: the cli just had 'sdc-server setup <options>" in output
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[17:40:48] <bahamat> jzu_: The -h flag will show you more. Unfortunately, sdc-server is under documented.
[17:41:02] <jzu_> bahamat: ah, I tried --help :-)
[17:41:14] <jzu_> bahamat: (I'm trying to tell it what disklayout to use for the zpool)
[17:41:15] <rmustacc> jzu_: Well, if someone missed the manual page, that's unfortunate, file a bug about that?
[17:41:39] <jzu_> rmustacc: didn't check if man page exists, will do that once I have VPN open to my Triton installation
[17:41:48] <rmustacc> I don't think one does.
[17:41:53] <rmustacc> Oh, you were asking if it is documented.
[17:41:57] <bahamat> rmustacc: Yeah, there's no man page for it on on the hn.
[17:42:00] <rmustacc> No, sorry, this is still at the rough end.
[17:42:10] <rmustacc> Thought you were saying there was a manual page and it wasn't there.
[17:42:14] <bahamat> jzu_: sdc-server setup -h
[17:42:20] <jzu_> rmustacc: yeah, I didn't find documentation for it from Github (ie. how to define the layout with sdc-server setup)
[17:42:24] <bahamat> jzu_: layout=<single|mirror|raidz1|raidz2|raidz3>
[17:42:26] <jzu_> bahamat: thanks!
[17:42:45] <rmustacc> And there's a spares option.
[17:43:06] <jzu_> greatness - thanks a lot :)
[17:44:17] <rmustacc> There's still some upper level UI work we want to do to plumb this into Adminui, etc.
[17:44:43] <rmustacc> But that's a ways out.
[17:44:44] <jzu_> I could try to sketch my first man page if the man is missing for sdc-server :p
[17:45:08] <rmustacc> I'd pass on that for now.
[17:45:22] <jzu_> heh yeah if it's not stable enough..
[17:47:46] <bahamat> jzu_: HEAD-2339
[17:48:34] <rmustacc> bahamat: Yeah, but I'm not sure what we want long term there and if that makes sense versus being subsumed by sdcadm, etc.
[17:54:11] <bahamat> That's valid, but it's something that I've found myself frustrated with at times.
[17:58:30] <jzu_> bahamat: :)
[18:02:16] <jzu_> as the spares is "spares=<0-N>", is that number of spares of disk # in /dev ?
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[18:02:27] <jzu_> *or
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[18:04:53] <jzu_> well uhm, maybe I should just look into the code/script on Github
[18:05:37] <jzu_> ... or the sdc-server on HN, doesn't seem to be binary, just as I guessed
[18:06:19] <bahamat> jzu_: That's the total number of spares you want.
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[18:07:48] <jzu_> is disk_cache == SLOG?
[18:08:25] <bahamat> jzu_: I'm not sure how robust the layout stuff is. I.e., if you give incompatible options (e.g., raidz3+3 spares, but only have two disks), the setup will fail.
[18:08:43] <bahamat> jzu_: No, disk_cache is L2ARC.
[18:09:02] <jzu_> heh, yeah it might just fail in that case :)
[18:09:31] <jzu_> so basicly with 15 spinning disks it would be ie. sdc-server set <uuid> spares=1 layout=mirror and then I'd add the SLOG later through GZ
[18:09:38] <bahamat> I don't know how it handles log devices.
[18:09:39] <jzu_> *setup
[18:10:18] <bahamat> IIRC, if you don't give it any log info, if you have multiple HDDs and one SSD then the SSD is automatically used as the log.
[18:10:39] <jzu_> ah, cool if it is so
[18:11:01] <bahamat> So it may still handle it that way, but I don't know.
[18:11:24] <jzu_> yeah, I'll see if/when I have the physical hardware at later point
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[18:34:18] <rmustacc> jzu_: If you just have the standard 15 HDDs + slog, that's the default, so you can just set it up normally.
[18:34:22] <rmustacc> No need to specify the layout.
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[18:50:58] <bahamat> jzu_: You can use the disklayout command on the CN to see how it will assign the drives.
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[19:53:26] <nahamu> arekinath: what kind of yubikey functionality are you playing with?
[19:53:50] <arekinath> nahamu: rfd77 will explain all soon :P
[19:54:10] <arekinath> but basically I'm getting ready to use them for deriving master keys for zfs crypto (once we have it)
[19:54:20] <arekinath> and also for a per-zone keystore managed by the gz
[19:54:41] <richlowe> zfs crypto via yubikey would be neat.
[19:55:00] <arekinath> yubikeys can be put in an hmac-sha1 "challenge response" mode which is what I'm planning to use there
[19:55:15] <arekinath> the key has a secret on it it'll never let you read back out which it can use as an hmac key for some data you give it
[19:56:05] <arekinath> also planning to use the PIV features on a yubikey4 for compute node auth in SDC eventually
[19:59:42] <arekinath> as part of my very long-term campaign to get rid of the trusted admin vlan and make all the services auth to each other
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[20:01:04] <arekinath> eventually the CN's long-term keys (in the yubikeys) will be pre-authorized on the HN by the operator before setup, and then the CN can use that to auth to the HN to become part of the cluster, and then use that to attest about the keys it's storing in the keystore on behalf of its zones, and the zones can prove to each other that they're really the zone with this uuid on this CN, and we can build a chain of trust to auth
[20:01:04] <arekinath> everything
[20:02:44] <wiedi> !
[20:02:48] <wiedi> this sounds amazing
[20:03:31] <arekinath> it's a long ways off
[20:03:34] <arekinath> don't get too excited yet
[20:03:35] <arekinath> :P
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[20:11:51] <arekinath> the plan would work with any other HSM type device too of course, I'm just going with yubikeys atm because they're pretty cheap and very readily available
[20:12:02] <arekinath> also the build quality seems pretty good
[20:12:22] <arekinath> I've had one for a few years and abused it a lot and it still works
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[20:14:28] <nahamu> arekinath: cool!
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[21:29:59] <jzu_> rmustacc: oh right, so with that setup it will do mirror by default, great :)
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[23:14:11] <konobi> Are there any plans to support nested containers at all? (just trying to gauge if there's interest, a technical issue or just needs someone to spend some time on it)
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[23:30:22] <nahamu> I tried to build SmartOS under the 16.04 LTS multiarch and if failed in bootstrapping trying to compile openssl-1
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[23:34:37] <daleg> nahamu: those ia0cap symbols are from the asm files that each algo generates at compile time using the appropriate perl script to generate them
[23:35:13] <daleg> are there any errors running the perl scripts farther up before those linker errors?
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[23:36:41] <daleg> this is one such script, for example
[23:37:18] <daleg> these are the scripts which generate the asm that is appropriate for the assembler that will be consuming the output (gas, nasm, etc)
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[23:43:01] <rmustacc> Though a little surprising it changed across the pkgsrc versions, given the versions are ratcheted in illumos-extra.
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[23:46:19] <daleg> I would agree
[23:46:35] <daleg> all those object files come from these scripts though
[23:46:58] <daleg> <algo>-<arch>.o
[23:47:30] <konobi> does the lx brand support cgroups and cgroupfs at all?
[23:47:53] <daleg> no, not currently
[23:49:27] <LiftedKilt> quesion re: containerpilot
[23:49:41] <rmustacc> konobi: Yes, there are some cgroups.
[23:50:05] <LiftedKilt> using containerpilot with consul as a coprocess
[23:50:38] <konobi> rmustacc: ah, neat... is that exposed in the container FS at all?
[23:50:41] <LiftedKilt> according to consul, the catalog for healthchecks is only synchronized with the cluster if there is a change of status
[23:51:07] <rmustacc> konobi: Yes, it's required for recent Linux to work...
[23:51:23] <LiftedKilt> if that's true, and the entire container (containerpilot, the consul co-process, and whatever the service is) dies, how is the healthcheck updated?
[23:51:47] <LiftedKilt> Is there a ttl in the global catalog? if so, is the container updating it periodically?
[23:51:53] <konobi> rmustacc: awesome, thanks... i'll assume it'll need a recent platform image too?
[23:52:19] <nbjoerg> back to my zfs crash from the other day
[23:52:33] <nbjoerg> I moved the two new ssds to another box
[23:52:41] <nbjoerg> so I can more easily test things
[23:52:50] <nbjoerg> any ideas for debugging or fixes are welcome
[23:54:32] <rmustacc> konobi: Some form of cgroups have been around since 2015, dunno what you need or anything more.
[23:54:46] <rmustacc> nbjoerg: Is there a write up somewhere of the problem? Or just in channel history?
[23:54:57] <nbjoerg> so far just channel history
[23:55:22] <nbjoerg> short version: I have a zpool with ashift=9 send|recv to a fresh zpool with ashift=12
[23:55:31] <konobi> rmustacc: yup... just bludgeoning my way through getting kubelet to behave itself.
[23:55:43] <nbjoerg> reboot with the normal or kmdb boot options will assert on boot
[23:55:54] <nbjoerg> 01:32 < nbjoerg> assertion failed: ma->ma_blks == zb->zb_blk id (0x62bf == 0x62c1), file: ../../common/fs/zfs/zvol.c, line: 277
[23:56:07] <nbjoerg> when using the rescue option, I can import the zpool fine
[23:56:37] <rmustacc> Hmm, really. That imports fine, but the normal import during boot isn't?
[23:56:54] <nbjoerg> double checking right now
[23:57:52] <nbjoerg> the new devices are 512e
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[23:59:28] <nbjoerg> right
[23:59:36] <nbjoerg> so booting to the rescue system and import the zpool works fine
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