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[00:13:52] <bahamat> iFire: The recommended way is to provision a new instance then copy the data.
[00:19:49] <iFire> that seems difficult for windows
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[00:20:54] <iFire> it's possible, thanks
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[01:07:35] <mfa298> iFire: you might manange it with vmadm send and vmadm recv. but I think thats an offline operation.
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[04:41:23] <Giovanni> howdy
[04:42:48] <Giovanni> smartos noob warning. I'm looking at trying out SmartOS but would like to have a web gui (joylent/triton) seems to fit the bill but it says in the description that it needs 2 servers to install this gui for me to be able to play with VMs and smartos. Is that accurate?
[04:43:43] <Giovanni> I guess I could spin up two VMs to make it look like there's 2 servers. But I have a Dell R320 server I could just boot smartos from usb and use the 3x1tb as zfs array
[04:43:57] <bdha> Use COAL if you just want to try it out.
[04:44:59] <bdha> If you want to test Compute Nodes in VMs, you can set them to PXE boot from the COAL image.
[04:45:16] <Giovanni> thank you - I will read that and try to set it up
[04:46:35] <Giovanni> I was actually considering moving from Proxmox to smartos (as long as I can get web mgmt). So the 2 server minimum requirement still stands (but I cannot host compute nodes in the mgmt node) right? can I host the management node in a virtual machine elsewhere and have the beefy servers be my compute node/vm central?
[04:46:58] <dillona> You can enable the head node for provisioning if you really want
[04:47:08] <bdha> You can enable provisioning on the headnode, but it's not the sort of thing you want to do in a production environment.
[04:47:13] <dillona> Giovanni: ^
[04:47:43] <bdha> Also, Triton is a lot more than a "web UI for SmartOS." It's a real actual cloud. :)
[04:48:27] <Giovanni> thanks! yeah this is all new to me. Honestly havent played much with docker or the new container lingo (oldschool VM guy) but old dog trying to learn new tricks :)
[04:48:40] <dillona> Also the adminui isn't a 1:1 replacement for the JPC webui
[04:50:36] <dillona> Giovanni: I'm trying to collect a list of things that makes triton hard to use for new folks (users, admins, or developers)
[04:50:43] <dillona> And then fix those things
[04:51:04] <dillona> So I'd be interested to hear what you think
[04:51:09] <bdha> dillona: Are you making GH issues for those things? :)
[04:51:30] <dillona> Bdha: and Gerrit CRs :)
[04:51:35] <bdha> o7
[04:51:57] <bdha> I've been heads down on a project for a couple months, so haven't been following stuff as closely as I usually do.
[04:52:00] <bdha> Very nice. :)
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<Giovanni> I can give some feedback, just let me know how to get it to you. https://desantolo.com is my blog with a contact form or if you want to post it here I will shoot you an email
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[06:18:52] <Giovanni> also normal after coal setup for 'provisioner' and 'heartbeat' to be missing from sdc-healthcheck post successful install?
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[15:18:57] <bsmithx11> let me know if you want the core dump
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[19:26:55] <jrick> i am trying to use openbsd as a kvm guess and while i can do the install over vnc, i would much prefer to do it over console with zlogin -C. i've disabled vnc with vnc_port=-1 but still getting no output to console, so i assume it still sees a vga device and is attaching console there.
[19:27:12] <jrick> any way to just disable that vga device so it doesn't attach console there?
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[19:40:37] <jrick> also tried 'vmadm console' with and not seeing output there
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[19:43:10] <tgerczei_> jrick: you need to configure that serial console under the OS
[19:43:51] <jrick> ok, so nothing to just disable the device then?
[19:44:23] <tgerczei_> you can override qemu_opts
[19:44:38] <tgerczei_> mine is "-parallel none -k en-us -nographic"
[19:44:47] <tgerczei_> but I haven't configured this during the installation
[19:45:01] <jrick> hmm ok, sounds promising
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[19:45:10] <jrick> thanks i'll look into that
[19:45:21] <tgerczei_> the instance I'm running has been provisioned in virtualbox
[19:45:28] <tgerczei_> then moved over
[19:45:32] <tgerczei_> and I simply kept upgrading
[19:45:40] <tgerczei_> since 5.2
[19:46:18] <jrick> also, is there any difference between zlogin -C and vmadm console for kvm guests?
[19:46:36] <tgerczei_> they are totally different things
[19:46:47] <jrick> oh
[19:46:54] <tgerczei_> zlogin -C will get you to the console of the native zone you run qemu in
[19:47:02] <tgerczei_> the latter attaches to the virtual console of the guest qemu runs
[19:47:02] <jrick> ahh
[19:47:07] <jrick> ok that makes sense
[19:47:29] <jrick> an old install i had (that i did setup over vnc) wasn't getting any output to zlogin -C and that would explain why
[19:47:36] <jrick> after setting my tty in /etc/boot.conf
[19:47:42] <jrick> didn't know about vmadm console at the time
[19:47:42] <tgerczei_> yes
[19:47:48] <tgerczei_> it would have worked a charm
[19:47:50] <tgerczei_> that's the way I use mine
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[19:47:51] <jrick> cool
[19:48:21] <jrick> can the vnc server be set to not listen on all external interfaces?
[19:48:29] <jrick> if i do have to use vnc i'd prefer to port forward that over with ssh
[19:48:48] <tgerczei_> I recall a feature request for that
[19:48:57] <tgerczei_> I can't tell if anyone did it, though
[19:49:09] <tgerczei_> oh, fsck, there is such a script now?
[19:49:14] <tgerczei_> :D
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[19:49:21] <jrick> oh nice
[19:49:37] <tgerczei> so that's what - among others - the mdata client commemorated
[19:49:50] <tgerczei> obsd becoming citizen first class
[19:49:52] <bahamat> As the README says, it's a work in progress. It's likely broken or minimally functional.
[19:50:04] <bahamat> I actually don't know the status at all.
[19:50:15] <tgerczei> will that also mean pf won't get ported? ;)
[19:50:21] <tgerczei> I'd love to throw this kvm guest out of the window
[19:50:38] <bahamat> But, if you have significant experience with OpenBSD, your input would probably be valuable.
[19:51:21] <bahamat> tgerczei: At current there's no plan to port pf. There's lots of interest, but nobody willing to fund it.
[19:51:43] <xenol> even if there were funds, it will take a lot of time
[19:51:54] <bahamat> That's not to say it won't happen, at Joyent we currently have things that are higher priority.
[19:52:01] <xenol> it took few man-years for oracle devs
[19:52:01] <tgerczei> yeah, I know, I've participated in prior discussions
[19:52:29] <tgerczei> if Solaris shall indeed end up flushed down the drain, that work might prove useful
[19:52:45] <bahamat> Don't count on it.
[19:52:50] <tgerczei> I don't
[19:53:28] <xenol> Solaris is doing fine, there have been builds released since those rumors appeared
[19:53:54] <xenol> (not that I am any fan of Oracle)
[19:54:03] <tgerczei> oracle moves like a glacier
[19:54:20] <tgerczei> the abandon has originally been rumoured to take years
[19:55:25] <bahamat> Whether it is or isn't, when/if Solaris dies it's not like there will be a code drop.
[19:55:44] <xenol> that one too
[19:55:52] <tgerczei> yeah, I'm aware
[19:56:05] <xenol> and even if they did it, licensing still matters
[19:56:28] <xenol> given those bits would come from Oracle, people would think twice before touching them
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[20:13:11] <simmel> Are Illumos, SmartOS et.al. not using CDDL? I just assumed.
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[20:19:55] <nbjoerg> jperkin: why does the tools bootstrap include a full gcc?
[20:21:25] <dillona> Simmel: the code from Oracle is CDDL and must remain so as far as I understand. Lots of the Joyent stuff is MPL
[20:21:40] <nbjoerg> hm. no
[20:21:49] <nbjoerg> jperkin: ok, it is just the extremely large go runtime...
[20:26:49] <simmel> dillona: Yes you are correct, noone else but the original author can change the license. I saw that most new Joyent things were MPL.
[20:26:58] <simmel> I also saw..
[20:27:03] <nbjoerg> hm. is smartctl known to work with AHCI?
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[20:29:02] <jrick> tgerczei: fwiw i was unsuccessful trying to get it working right during boot with those qemu options, just doing vnc for now (and yes, it's being port forwarded, because ewwww)
[20:29:53] <tgerczei> jrick: install it, then it will work
[20:30:01] <jrick> yep
[20:30:08] <jrick> install even asks me if i want to use com0 :)
[20:30:15] <jrick> <3 the obsd installer
[20:31:27] <jrick> working like a charm now with vmadm console
[20:34:42] <tgerczei> 1337
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[20:56:33] <arekinath> bsmithx11: so it's still broken?
[21:08:48] <simmel> Hm.. I'm having problem changing IP on a joyent branded zone. I always get
[21:08:51] <simmel> 'Conflict detected with another vm, please check the MAC, IP, and VRID'
[21:09:58] <simmel> Uuuh. ook.. I can't change nic_tag and ip/ips/netmask at the same time?
[21:10:31] <jperkin> hm, that should be excluded, which set is this?
[21:11:10] <simmel> Oh OK I can *change* nic_tag but it can't be set to the same which it's already set to.
[21:11:42] <simmel> Not familiar with the nomenclature, but I suspect you want joyent_20161208T003707Z jperkin?
[21:13:36] <simmel> If vlan_id is changed it works too.
[21:18:18] <jperkin> simmel: sorry, I was replying to nbjoerg
[21:18:40] <nbjoerg> jperkin: go runtime?
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[21:23:52] <simmel> jperkin: Oh = /
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