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[00:51:04] <beau-_> can't find mdb_v8.so on joyent_20120912T055050Z (base64 1.9.1, node 0.8.22 installed), should it be there or is it not supported on base64?
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[00:53:59] <beau-_> ah, there's a v8.so in /usr/lib/mdb/proc/v8.so but it's ELFCLASS32 so i guess that answers my question... with the recent improvement of the ustack helper to support 64-bit in node 0.10 will mdb_v8 also gain that support at some point?
[00:54:38] <rmustacc> At some point, but it doesn't have 64-bit support today.
[00:57:46] <beau-_> looking forward to it. :) related, how might one install 32-bit node on a base64 machine?
[00:58:40] <rmustacc> Well, pkgsrc doesn't provide one.
[00:58:49] <rmustacc> So you'd have to build one yourself.
[00:59:03] <rmustacc> And probably use the built in node copies of libz and ssl.
[00:59:11] <beau-_> fair enough
[00:59:59] <rmustacc> Multilib is coming fairly soon so this won't be an issue in the future.
[01:00:25] <ira> Full platform multi lib?  or dataset? :)
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[01:01:21] <wesolows> dataset.  the platform has been multilib since 1995
[01:01:30] <wesolows> s/dataset/image/ :-)
[01:02:51] <ira> zone damnit!
[01:03:11] <rmustacc> ira: There are already preview images for that courtesy of jperkin.
[01:04:01] <ira> I'm strange… I liked the 32/64 thing.  I knew the libraries would all be that type. :)
[01:04:28] <wesolows> except the platform libraries, which still looked they way they always have
[01:04:40] <rmustacc> ira: Now you just get both to work with as you please.
[01:04:51] <wesolows> not to mention the people confused by uname output in a "32-bit zone"
[01:04:54] <rmustacc>  /lib is always 32-bit /lib/64 is always 64-bit.
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[02:52:49] <cheeseplus> anybody happen to know the trick to getting SSHA passwords to work with PAM + LDAP?
[02:53:51] <cheeseplus> if I change the password to hash to CRYPT I can SSH in fine, but auth fails with SSHA passwords and I'm just flipping knobs at this point
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[04:31:46] <Daemonik> I have a network appliance (a switch) connected to my SmartOS box (via the serial port) and I'd like to access that from a zone. Googling for "SmartOS" and "kermit" shows that kermit used to be in the package repos and may have been removed?
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[04:52:37] <ryancnelson> you're not going to be able to access your physical serial port from inside a zone.
[04:52:57] <ryancnelson> any more than you could any other physical hardware device
[04:53:06] <Daemonik> ryancnelson: No? I Googled for quite a bit and found something that suggests that a non-global zone can access a serial port (zonecfg was used)
[04:53:32] <ryancnelson> right.  you need to pass the device thru to the zone.
[04:53:55] <ryancnelson> you can do it if you use zoneadm… not to a vm, though.
[04:54:06] <Daemonik> ryancnelson: So I can set up access to the physical serial for a non-g zone?
[04:54:22] <Daemonik> ryancnelson: VM = Zone or VM = KVM ?
[04:54:23] <ryancnelson> "screen" will talk to a serial port, too
[04:54:26] <ryancnelson> that's already instaled
[04:54:37] <ryancnelson> vm = zone will probably work
[04:54:39] <Daemonik> I didn't know that screen could do that.
[04:54:42] <ryancnelson> kvm will not
[04:54:50] <ryancnelson> yeah… it'll talk to a tty
[04:55:03] <rmustacc> You'd have to pass the device into the zone manually.
[04:55:06] <ryancnelson> the manpage is full of "set baud" stuff
[04:55:29] <Daemonik> rmustacc: Can you elaborate on what "manually" entails?
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[04:56:46] <rmustacc> Shenanigans with zonecfg(1M) that I don't know.
[05:04:34] <Daemonik> With kermit, I have to do "set carrier-watch off", "set flow-control none", all that jazz . . screen /dev/tty01 9600 "just worked" - nice. Thank you guys.
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[08:50:46] <hotbox> hi
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[09:56:40] <Daemonik> hotbox: you nick reminds me of parking cars on hills
[09:59:44] <hotbox> :)
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[10:02:20] <hotbox> Daemonik: you mean smokers-in-a-car ?
[10:02:45] <Daemonik> hotbox: I can not confirm nor deny that assertion at such this juncture.
[10:03:22] <Daemonik> hotbox: I can however share that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself, subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.
[10:05:58] <Daemonik> I want to run Arista's vEOS in a KVM Zone. EOS is their Linux-based "switch operating system". I'd like to run two instances, have eight "virtual ports" on each, and have these virtual ports virtually connected to one another (and full layer-2 visibility between them). This can be done with Linux's KVM / Qemu, can this be done on SmartOS' KVM?
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[12:34:02] <alcir> why in /etc/inet/ntp.conf
[12:34:09] <alcir> I have not my ntp server?
[12:34:25] <opeth__> because it's in /usbkey/config
[12:34:30] <opeth__> as /etc will not persist
[12:34:32] <alcir> yes it is
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[12:35:56] <alcir> in usbkey config I have ntp
[12:37:28] <opeth__> that is all
[12:37:41] <opeth__> you need not have it anywhere else
[12:38:14] <alcir> maintenance    18:31:58 svc:/network/ntp:default
[12:38:30] <alcir> cat /var/svc/log/network-ntp:default.log
[12:38:35] <alcir> Error: Servers/peers specified but none is reachable.
[12:38:37] <opeth__> don't cat it here please
[12:38:49] <opeth__> well, is your ntp server configured in /usbkey/config reachable?
[12:38:52] <opeth__> is it running?
[12:39:01] <alcir> yes
[12:39:08] <alcir> ntpdate  works
[12:39:18] <opeth__> try svcadm clear ntp
[12:40:41] <opeth__> afterwards check it via svcs -Ho state ntp
[12:41:30] <alcir> ok
[12:41:34] <alcir> but my server?
[12:41:46] <alcir> ntpq -p tells about outside servers
[12:42:09] <opeth__> issue me 'grep ntp /usbkey/config'
[12:42:26] <alcir> ntp_hosts=tempo.fgm
[12:42:26] <alcir> compute_node_ntp_hosts=10.96.102.12
[12:43:27] <opeth__> I assume the latter is your ntp server right?
[12:44:35] <alcir> 102.12
[12:44:36] <alcir> ?
[12:44:37] <alcir> no
[12:44:45] <opeth__> so try modifying this file
[12:44:50] <opeth__> and for the sake of ease
[12:44:57] <opeth__> set both entries your grepped to your server
[12:45:04] <opeth__> you've grepped~
[12:45:28] <alcir> but the wiki don't tell so
[12:45:39] <opeth__> you didn't ask the wiki
[12:45:41] <opeth__> you asked me
[12:45:46] <alcir> ehm
[12:45:47] <alcir> :-)
[12:45:49] <alcir> yes
[12:45:58] <opeth__> so either do as I say or leave me be
[12:46:00] <opeth__> :]
[12:46:14] <alcir> yes yes :-)
[12:46:43] <opeth__> for the record, my stand-alone node uses my very own ntp server and I configured it the way I have told you now
[12:46:56] <MerlinDMC> you can also override the /etc/inet/ntp.conf file by setting config_inc_dir and ntp_conf_file
[12:47:20] <MerlinDMC> but all over that should not be needed
[12:47:22] <alcir> I will try
[12:47:44] <opeth__> MerlinDMC: the method I spoke of - as lame as it might be - works
[12:47:46] <opeth__> :]
[12:48:19] <MerlinDMC> opeth__, I know ... did just add my dumb bla here to extend possibilities ;)
[12:48:31] <opeth__> ah, k :]
[12:48:42] <opeth__> that was most likely on the spot as well
[12:48:49] <opeth__> no way dumb
[12:50:40] <alcir> ok
[12:50:47] <opeth__> alcir: works?
[12:50:58] <alcir> so I must seemy ntp server inside /etc/inet/ntp.conf ??
[12:51:09] <alcir> opeth__ rebooting
[12:51:24] <opeth__> alcir, if it's in /usbkey/config, it should just work
[12:51:41] <alcir> yes but it will be placed somewhere?
[12:51:47] <opeth__> it's placed there
[12:52:05] <opeth__> /usbkey/config is _not_ on your usb key
[12:52:10] <opeth__> if that is why you ask
[12:52:16] <alcir> no no no
[12:52:18] <alcir> I know
[12:52:30] <alcir> but the value I place inside config
[12:52:43] <alcir> will be written in some ntp conf file
[12:52:44] <opeth__> /usbkey/config is being sourced by an SMF service
[12:52:46] <alcir> no?
[12:52:54] <opeth__> which populates everything properly based on that
[12:53:11] <opeth__> that may even be right, I have never bothered to check so far
[12:53:12] <alcir> in fact
[12:53:29] <alcir> also /etc/inetd/ntp.conf I suppose
[12:54:04] <opeth__> if you like, check svcprop ntp
[12:54:18] <opeth__> find out what's being parsed
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[12:54:46] <alcir> no way
[12:54:47] <alcir> maintenance    11:54:12 svc:/network/ntp:default
[12:55:41] <opeth__> grep config for ntp
[12:56:03] <alcir> ntp_hosts=tempo.fgm
[12:56:04] <alcir> compute_node_ntp_hosts=tempo.fgm
[12:56:17] <opeth__> 'getent hosts tempo.fgm'
[12:56:32] <alcir> 10.96.11.211    tempo.srv.pi.fgm tempo.fgm tempo.pi.fgm
[12:56:46] <opeth__> resolvable alright
[12:56:59] <alcir> yes
[12:57:21] <opeth__> well I don't know which system call it uses
[12:57:32] <opeth__> you could truss it, dtrace it or simply do what I do
[12:57:33] <opeth__> and use the IP instead
[12:57:35] <opeth__> for both configuration entries
[12:57:36] <alcir> ah ok
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[13:02:55] <alcir> if I set my ntp server inside /etc/inet/ntp.conf
[13:02:59] <alcir> it works
[13:04:41] <alcir> wtf
[13:04:46] <alcir> it works
[13:04:48] <alcir> opeth__
[13:04:58] <alcir> using an IP it works
[13:05:34] <opeth__> as I thought
[13:05:38] <opeth__> congrats
[13:05:44] <alcir> thank you :-)
[13:05:47] <opeth__> you're welcome
[13:05:53] <opeth__> forget setting things in /etc
[13:05:59] <opeth__> the root filesystem is volatile
[13:06:09] <alcir> yes I know
[13:06:20] <opeth__> marvellous
[13:06:46] <alcir> but it is a bug?
[13:07:37] <opeth__> what is?
[13:07:49] <opeth__> or, is what, more like
[13:10:15] <alcir> can I file an issue?
[13:10:46] <opeth__> for what?
[13:11:48] <alcir> if I use a name instead of a numeric address ntp doesn't consider my config
[13:17:16] <opeth__> do you consider this an issue?
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[13:24:51] <alcir> isn't it?
[13:25:16] <alcir> if I have more than one ntp server, or my dns name is a pool of ip?
[13:26:20] <opeth__> ntp_hosts should work as a resolvable name for a pool
[13:26:52] <opeth__> pool.ntp.org should be a fair reference to try
[13:27:47] <alcir> but in fact inside the /etc/inet/ntp.conf file by default there are 3 ip
[13:27:58] <alcir> probably the pool.ntp ones
[13:28:13] <opeth__> reverse-resolve them and see for yourself
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[15:46:20] <szaydel> alcir: I have not seen issues with NTP whether entries were numeric or dns names, I think you may have some other issue.
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[16:14:01] <alcir> szaydel I don't know
[16:14:27] <alcir> maybe a "private" domain is not supported?
[16:15:01] <rmustacc> Make sure you have the right resolvers set.
[16:15:42] <alcir> I have
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[19:58:21] <tbatchelli_m> is there any way to setup a smartOS box without going through the config questions?
[19:58:54] <ryancnelson> the "nosetup" option in grub is presicely for that
[19:59:05] <ryancnelson> well...
[19:59:12] <ryancnelson> for not setting it up
[19:59:32] <tbatchelli_m> I am trying to automate the creation of SmartOS hosts
[19:59:42] <ryancnelson> there's a way to set it up, sure.  "do all the things that the setup does, manually"
[19:59:53] <tbatchelli_m> right
[20:00:01] <tbatchelli_m> are they documented somewhere?
[20:00:10] <nahamu> in the setup script...
[20:00:19] <ryancnelson> thanks for not making me say it
[20:00:47] <nahamu> I forget the path in the git repo... one moment.
[20:00:50] <opeth__> :]
[20:01:10] <nahamu> https://github.com/joyent/smartos-overlay/blob/master/smartdc/bin/smartos_prompt_config.sh
[20:01:34] <tbatchelli_m> nahamu: thanks for anticipating my next question :)
[20:01:37] <tbatchelli_m> thank you guys
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[20:02:29] <nahamu> My guess is that most people either muddle along with that manual process, buy SDC, or have internal tools that they're not sharing for some reason.
[20:02:54] <nahamu> I'm in group 1 but wish I were in group 2.
[20:03:49] <wesolows> there's a hands-free way to do SDC HN setup, yes
[20:04:21] <wesolows> it doesn't apply to SmartOS though
[20:04:26] <nahamu> right.
[20:04:44] <nahamu> I'm wishing I could run spice VMs on SDC so that I could use SDC instead of SmartOS. :)
[20:05:16] <nahamu> but given that I also have two additional patches on top of SmartOS that I use, I think that's still not going to happen for me for a while.
[20:06:05] <ryancnelson> tbatchelli_m:  how are you going to "automate" the burning of a thumbdrive/cdrom and inserting it in the host?
[20:06:34] <tbatchelli_m> for now this is on virtualbox
[20:06:39] <tbatchelli_m> ryancnelson: ^^^
[20:06:42] <ryancnelson> ah
[20:06:47] <richlowe> aww, I was hoping lego was involved.
[20:06:54] <tbatchelli_m> I built vmfest, which nicely wraps virtualbox
[20:06:56] <ryancnelson> jperkin blogged somethinga bout that i think
[20:07:16] <tbatchelli_m> I take in a production environment people use PXEboot?
[20:07:44] <ryancnelson> http://www.perkin.org.uk/posts/automated-virtualbox-smartos-installs.html
[20:08:27] <ryancnelson> in our production env, we use SDC (obviously), and yeah, that pxe boots the compute nodes
[20:08:48] <nahamu> I also boot a "headnode" from USB and it runs a PXE server for the rest of my nodes.
[20:09:10] <ryancnelson> that's the core of the live-boot philosophy.  we don't actually  enjoy usb boot speeds, but it's standalone and no MBR on your disks
[20:09:49] <ryancnelson> i have a teeny pocket-router running openwrt that i'd like to make into a teeny pxeboot server
[20:10:03] <nahamu> ryancnelson: shouldn't be too hard.
[20:10:04] <tbatchelli_m> ryancnelson: I like the approach. I am building disposable VMs using vmfest, but based on differencing disks
[20:10:58] <tbatchelli_m> hmm... virtualbox can PXEboot
[20:11:08] <nahamu> wesolows: are you flashing ipxe onto the boot roms of your NICs?
[20:11:29] <wesolows> no
[20:11:40] <wesolows> ipxe gets loaded off the USB key
[20:12:44] <nahamu> so you put a USB with ipxe in every compute node?
[20:12:50] <wesolows> going forward, yes
[20:13:08] <nahamu> interesting. probably easier than flashing the ROM, and easier to update.
[20:13:12] <wesolows> CNs without a key can still use BIOS (called Legacy Boot mode)
[20:13:19] <wesolows> exactly
[20:13:40] <nahamu> and that gives you much tighter control of the code at every stage of the boot process.
[20:13:50] <wesolows> you've got me all figured out :-)
[20:13:52] <nahamu> (using ipxe rather than legacy pxe)
[20:14:12] <nahamu> you're very thorough.
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[20:26:57] <opeth__> what was the fix when pkgsrc builds fail due to missing /opt/pbulk/gcc47 libs?
[20:27:14] <opeth__> well, more like other files than libs but still
[20:27:30] <opeth__> I can't seem to be able to find the bootstrap tarball jperkin's post linked me to
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[20:39:04] <nahamu> opeth__: I thought it was to install the other tarball.
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[20:40:03] <opeth__> I vaguely remember checking it for the file and not finding it the other day
[20:40:21] <nahamu> it's somewhere under http://pkgsrc.smartos.org/packages/
[20:40:30] <nahamu> but I forget which one you're looking for.
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[20:41:42] <opeth__> his post says http://pkgsrc.smartos.org/packages/SmartOS/bootstrap/bootstrap-pbulk.tar.gz
[20:42:28] <nahamu> http://pkgsrc.smartos.org/packages/SmartOS/bootstrap/bootstrap-2012Q4-pbulk.tar.gz might be it then
[20:44:20] <opeth__> let me look at that one again then
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[20:47:06] <opeth__> seemingly not
[20:47:16] <nahamu> might have to ask jperkin when he's around
[20:47:36] <opeth__> crtbegin.o and crtend.o are what the libsigc++ build misses
[20:47:42] <opeth__> yes, I will, thanks
[20:48:18] <opeth__> I'm trying to get rtorrent from pkgsrc and fail miserably
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[21:01:35] <mamash> you do not want to use the *-pbulk bootstraps for normal building
[21:01:43] <mamash> i think you're looking for http://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/SmartOS/bootstrap/ maybe?
[21:02:07] <mamash> that's for the production package sets (like the 2012Q4 one available on JPC)
[21:02:41] <mamash> the pbulk bootstrap is only for when you actually want to use pbulk to build packages
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[21:12:00] <opeth__> mamash: I would simply like to build libsigc++ because libtorrent/rtorrent depend on it but the binary package available does not seem to satisfy their build-time needs
[21:12:21] <opeth__> and libsigc++ seems to miss .o files available under /opt/pbulk/gcc47/
[21:13:19] <opeth__> so I need no pbulk basically, just want to get past this issue I encountered
[21:14:06] <mamash> so what image are you trying on?
[21:14:29] <mamash> if you start on something like 'base' then there is zero reason to futz around with bootstraps
[21:14:44] <mamash> you should only need to install gcc47-compiler and get on with pkgsrc
[21:15:30] <opeth__> 1.9.1 base64
[21:15:39] <mamash> if you see errors about crtbegin.o and crtend.o missing, it means that the build is really doing something nasty about compiler/linker flags, because those are standard part of the gcc suite
[21:15:42] <opeth__> and 2012Q4
[21:15:51] <opeth__> those are the ones yes
[21:15:59] <mamash> every 'base' image already contains the right bootstrap
[21:16:07] <mamash> and crtbegin.o and crtend.o come with gcc, not bootstrap/image/OS
[21:16:21] <opeth__> I never tried finding them that's true
[21:16:47] <opeth__> I've installed gcc-47 with pkgin
[21:17:12] <mamash> you never ever need to bother about crtbegin.o and crtend.o
[21:17:39] <mamash> rather, the libtorrent build is using some completely crazy shit when calling the compiler or linker
[21:18:01] <mamash> or is that devel <http://pkgsrc.se/devel>/libsigc++ even?
[21:18:39] <opeth__> devel/libsigc++
[21:18:54] <mamash> ok let me see for myself
[21:19:17] <opeth__> thanks for all your efforts in advance
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[21:45:35] <opeth__> mamash: I'll have to get going in a bit but may I please ask you to paste me your findings in query? I would really like to pick it up later
[21:45:48] <opeth__> thanks once more
[21:50:41] <mamash> sure
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[22:48:29] <mamash> opeth__: i figured the easiest i can do for you was to just add rtorrent to our package set... ;)
[22:48:58] <mamash> the x86_64 package is up now, the i386 one will take an hour more
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