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[02:55:19] <ira> Ok, imgadm doesn't support alternate ports?!
[03:04:10] <wesolows> it's once again safe to build smartos-live
[03:04:28] <wesolows> and by safe I mean that it should work
[03:04:35] <ira> Yay?
[03:06:08] <ira> Ok… you were right to call that gross.
[03:06:27] <wesolows> heh :-)
[03:06:55] <ira> Now only if I can convince imgadm to try my new implementation on another port :(.
[03:14:54] <wesolows> can't help you there, sorry
[03:16:47] <nahamu> okay, this is a hacky version of something I think should exist: http://paste.ec/?f4b713ff936dffe7#j+HP46CgmG1UB95elw+9aeT+secNOwi1qE9I3NomWTE=
[03:18:02] <nahamu> that way you can write a client application that can sync a remote (publicly shared) zfs file system with curl and zfs receive.
[03:19:15] <nahamu> one use case would be for mirroring things like software repositories.
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[03:27:55] <ira> Gaaaaahhh.
[03:28:20] <nahamu> perl, or my crazy stuff?
[03:28:29] <ira> Neither.  imgadm.
[03:28:35] <ira> I need imgadm to behave!
[03:28:53] <nahamu> yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to fully befriend the new version too.
[03:29:12] <nahamu> what's it doing to you at the moment?
[03:29:27] <ira> I have part of a python implementation that'll take your repo format, and serve it as imgadm.
[03:29:52] <ira> It won't listen to http://myserver.mycorp.com:8080
[03:30:00] <ira> It keeps going to 80
[03:30:13] <ira> talk to pardon.
[03:30:13] <nahamu> even if you put the port in the url?
[03:30:22] <ira> Yep!
[03:30:27] <nahamu> hmmm
[03:30:47] <nahamu> that's gotta be a bug... it does handle http vs https correctly...
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[03:31:04] <ira> I figured I'd be a good guy, implement a first pass of the r/o side of the imgadm v2 api.
[03:31:15] <ira> But I need to serve both APIs in that case...
[03:31:43] <nahamu> culprit? https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/blob/master/src/img/lib/imgadm.js#L255
[03:31:45] <ira> And while I could go implement dsapi now too.. it wouldn't be hard.
[03:31:58] <ira> No, commented it out.
[03:32:00] <nahamu> no, that part is okay
[03:32:19] <ira> Bottle makes writing these things really wasy.
[03:32:22] <ira> easy,
[03:32:46] <ira> Maybe what I do is just implement it.. and then move my datasets?  Yucko.
[03:33:19] <ira> Ok… bug report time… X_x.
[03:33:31] <nahamu> :-/
[03:34:23] <ira> It isn't that bad if I have to.  I just need to make another VM, and do it.  Not the end of the world.  But I have to redirect existing machines, which I probably should just do.
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[03:36:03] <ira> Wouldn't be hard at all.. with the infrastructure I have now.  But I need to talk people into updating the existing machines… not that bad to do if needed.
[03:36:16] <ira> Probably should anyways.
[03:36:53] <Licenser> ira out of curiosity what are you doing?
[03:37:19] <ira> Just serving some internal datasets, currently out of a virtual host apache.
[03:37:42] <ira> Or what am I really doing? :)
[03:37:56] <Licenser> really doing that all for :P
[03:39:34] <nahamu> bug might be in this chunk: https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/blob/master/src/img/lib/imgadm.js#L247
[03:39:47] <nahamu> I don't see parsed.port being set properly.
[03:39:49] <ira> Well… You see… I do what Joyent tells you never to do ;)  I make file servers. ;)
[03:40:20] <ira> nahamu: Doesn't have to be… it should be set from url.parse.
[03:42:03] <ira> My guess was that actually that code is all good.  It is actually a bug, down lower… but that's my guess.
[03:42:15] <nahamu> hmmm
[03:42:45] <ira> There's notes in /usr/img/node_modules/sdc-clients/lib/imgapi.js about working around some bugs in restify...
[03:42:52] <ira> So… That perks my ears.
[03:45:25] <Licenser> ira hah
[03:45:59] <ira> And I 100% agree with Joyent on that issue.  I would NOT recommend it to a casual user.
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[03:48:04] <Licenser> ira hehe
[03:49:27] <ira> I try to be a good boy, and report infrastructure issues etc...
[03:49:50] <Licenser> I'm sure you'll get a cookie ;)
[03:50:23] <ira> Licenser: Hemlock flavored.
[03:51:22] <Licenser> ^^
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[03:57:19] <ira> Night all!
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[05:20:02] <kfr_> I have a kvm zone
[05:20:43] <kfr_> I noticed that /etc/resolv.conf does not get added with a search domain
[05:21:18] <kfr_> in the guest
[05:22:21] <kfr_> dns_domain does not seem to be a settable option for kvm zones
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[08:53:25] <arai> I think I've tracked my complaint about zfs being slow to sync=standard in the zones pool.  In contrast, the last OS I used on this hardware might have disabled its zil.  I'm running tests on the hardware now.
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[11:46:03] <xenol> http://jefferai.org/2013/03/24/too-perfect-a-mirror/
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[16:25:51] <wesolows> arai: I would hope that there are no distributions out there setting sync=disabled by default.  That would be very much contrary to the basic engineering values of the illumos community.  That's not to say we can or should stop them, but it would be good to at least make sure they know that's a horrible idea.
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[16:31:27] <ira> wesolows: I'd say "If you know what you are signing up for…" Alas, 99% of people don't.
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[16:32:07] <ira> (There's 1 or 2 applications I've seen where I've considered sync=disabled.  Even with ZIL.)
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[16:38:49] <wesolows> yeah, there might be a few places where it makes sense.  But there's no way a distribution should be making pools set that way by default.
[16:39:06] <wesolows> at least not without putting it front page in 72 point text that it does so and why.
[16:39:33] <ira> Default… pardon my language "Fuck no."
[16:40:22] <wesolows> the fact that arai was ignorant of the fact suggests it was set up that way without his direct knowledge.  But that may be jumping to conclusions; the whole thing may just be a misunderstanding.
[16:41:45] <ira> Sounds like someone was performance testing.
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[17:11:30] <linuxprof> you, who know everything about everything, what could be the problem when my usb controller does this? http://monosnap.com/image/bJ3O2FVMhUPcf4ZFDWb205hD8 :)
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[18:04:53] <ira> I can confirm imgadm works with an imgapi v2 server.  (I wrote a basic one.) There are a few WTFs.  Like… "Why request a Content-MD5 header, when I already gave the system the sha1?"
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[19:03:21] <ajcdotme> afternoon. new datacenter facility in the works with a strong consideration for smartos / sdc at the core. i have a few questions and am new to the platform. is this the best location to ask?
[19:08:04] <ira> I'm not sure if the Joyent folks want those here or in #joyent… but
[19:08:13] <ira> feel free..
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[19:19:18] <ajcdotme> i guess my big question is related to zfs. am i understanding correctly that the default storage pool is set up as raidz1 ? (similar to raid5)
[19:21:04] <ajcdotme> the second question is more a request for a recommendation: gui-based central management options. we have, to this point, been looking at project-fifo.
[19:21:30] <linuxprof> what zfs layout it chooses depends on how many disks you have in the machine
[19:21:33] <jesse_> sdc has handy gui-thingy
[19:22:05] <linuxprof> project fifo is great, but i wouldnt say its ready for a production environment just yet
[19:23:32] <Licenser> ajcdotme there is pretty much either Joyents SDC which is a commercial product that as far as I know runs very nice and has good support, or Project-FiFo which is an open source solution that well we're not there yet as linuxprof said ;) it's evolving but I would say on a good way.
[19:23:55] <jesse_> sdc install is still a lot easier?
[19:24:11] <Licenser> jesse_ I never installed SDC but fifo is pretty darn easy to isntall :)
[19:24:12] <jesse_> especially if you have hundreds or thousands of boxes to setup?
[19:24:16] <wesolows> ajcdotme: The storage pool layout on SDC is different from SmartOS.  SDC uses the disklayout.js library; it's in smartos-live and you can peruse the algorithm at your leisure.  Basically it prefers mirror-stripe for small numbers of disks and raidz2 for larger numbers of them, or for big slow disks.
[19:24:22] <Licenser> then propably yes ^^
[19:24:41] <jesse_> trying to remember where was that 'cloud in n minutes' video
[19:25:11] <Licenser> jesse_ so to be fair if you set up hundreds of thousands of boxes you proably can just make your own fifo enabled image to boot from :P
[19:25:27] <jesse_> Licenser, true that, too=)
[19:25:50] <Licenser> or even contribute some PXE code :P
[19:25:53] <linuxprof> you could chef the hell out of it :)
[19:26:52] <wesolows> ajcdotme: if you're curious about the operator portal/adminui or the customer portal stuff in SDC, it's best to talk with Joyent sales.  They can presumably give you demos, describe the road map, etc.
[19:27:42] <ajcdotme> thank you. chef runs our amazon components for us, so that is an option as well, i guess
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[19:29:30] <ira> The larger the deployment the more I'd look to SDC.  (They only do it on massive scale...)
[19:30:29] <Licenser> also the more stable you need ^^
[19:30:44] <ira> Yep...
[19:31:15] <Licenser> FiFo is young and evolving (fast?) so things break along the way ^^
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[19:31:47] <ajcdotme> i appreciate the advice :)
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[19:32:55] <Licenser> still if you want to try out FiFo you can swing by in our IRC channel we don't bite (much ;)
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[19:36:34] <jesse_> ajcdotme, that was the one I was thinking of, I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIdbggrEZMY "SDC 6.5.3 Install Process Demo"
[19:41:03] <quasi> Licenser: watching the fifo video now
[19:41:10] <Licenser> quasi :)
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[19:44:34] <quasi> Licenser: somewhat tedious to watch, but still looking solid enough to take fifo for a spin
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[19:45:21] <Licenser> quasi tedious in what sense? :)
[19:48:14] <quasi> Licenser: a lot of clicking back and forth for no apparent reason. like having to watch the download and install of the service times 3
[19:49:13] <Licenser> quasi thanks for the feedback I'll pass it along :) we'll try to improve on that ^^
[19:50:59] <quasi> Licenser: perhaps too many almost the same of installing vms
[19:51:19] <Licenser> *nods*
[19:51:34] <Licenser> I think I see what you mean :)
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[20:05:15] <jelmd> wesolows:  wondering where the "not more than 16 disk /mirror" comes from? Thought, the "not more than 7 vdevs" rule of thumb applies to raidz*, only ...
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[20:52:51] <wesolows> it's assumed that if you have more than that, you've got a huge number of disks and want to get good capacity.  Just heuristics; there'd be nothing wrong with bigger mirrors.
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[20:54:21] <jelmd> ah ok. Though you found out by chance, that it should be also limited ...
[20:55:15] <wesolows> not that I know of.
[20:57:01] <jelmd> googled Roch's and Gerhard's blog, but couldn't find anything wrt. this ;-)
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[22:46:39] <arai> wesolows: It was a BSD distribution.  I'll let you know once I get a chance to re-load and benchmark
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[23:56:52] <Licenser> guys, any of you seen this imgadm issue before: http://hastebin.com/hixumikitu.rb
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