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[01:04:27] <trentster> anyone have a version of "fping" binary for SmartOS ?
[01:05:29] <wesolows> I think the Ops guys have built every variant of ping that has ever been written
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[01:06:19] <trentster> wesolows: cool, can I get hold if it somehow, I need it for zabbix
[01:06:45] <wesolows> I'm not privy to their work, sorry.
[01:06:59] <trentster> ok….thanks…anyway
[01:07:10] <wesolows> sometimes they're around though
[01:07:39] <trentster> guess will have a look and see if its under the jperkin packages
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[02:37:50] <AlainODea> I have just brought up a ubuntu KVM zone.  I tried to connect to it with RealVNC viewer and got nothing.  It seems to connect, but the display never updates.  Has anyone seen anything like that before?
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[03:23:01] <Verilium> Hello, how is time synchronization handled on a smartmachine?  Should I be enabling ntpd or not?  I'm seeing ntp-related binaries there, but no init script nor anything in svcs neither, so I'm not quite sure...
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[03:29:37] <wesolows> ntpd should have a service and run in the global zone
[03:29:41] <Verilium> Ok, nevermind, found a few answers.  GZ.
[03:29:42] <wesolows> it's enabled by default
[03:31:01] <Verilium> Yeah, seems to be running in my GZ.  Ok, cool.  Makes me wonder why ntp binaries and conf files are present then, but oh well. :P
[03:32:00] <AlainODea> Is there a special process for getting VNC to work for a Ubuntu KVM image?  I have created a KVM zone from the latest image, but connecting with RealVNC viewer shows nothing.
[03:33:35] <wesolows> Verilium: because the entire platform image appears in every zone
[03:33:46] <wesolows> services that can't usefully run are disabled.
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[03:49:04] <Verilium> Hmm, I see, I think.
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[04:16:17] <Licenser> yay erlang kstat library done :D
[04:30:34] <AlainODea> Licenser: can you think of a reason why a KVM zone built from a ubuntu image would not be pingable and VNC won't work? https://gist.github.com/AlainODea/43e44abcb5d48f55225e
[04:31:28] <Licenser> vnc is sometimes stuck other then that I'm not sure really
[04:33:13] <Licenser> usual suspects are routing, wrong ip, wrong driver
[04:42:35] <AlainODea> Licenser: thank you.  That gives me a good starting point for resolving this :)
[04:43:01] <Licenser> AlainODea first thing I'd do is vmadm stop & start the vm
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[05:05:52] <AlainODea> Licenser: no dice.  It seems to be broken.  It's probably environmental, but general IP access works for other VMs.  Is there a port the VM needs on its own subnet for VNC to work.  I understood it to be something between the SmartOS host and the workstation.  In any case.  It's terribly late here.  I have to call it a night.  Thank you for your help :)
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[05:09:52] <Licenser> Alasdairrr the VNC ip is not the IP of the machien you know that right?
[05:10:42] <Licenser> man that sounds more unfriendly the I wanted to sound -.-
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[05:32:35] <arai> It's become clear after the last few hours that delegated datasets are not a first class feature in smartmachines...
[05:33:33] <Licenser> arai how so?
[05:33:47] <arai> I setup one for a VM, then all of a sudden, sshd won't start on it, actually, nothing that depends on svc:/system/filesystem/local will
[05:34:44] <Licenser> perhaps something went wrong with the dataset?
[05:34:55] <arai> after a little digging, it appears that zfs mount -a doesn't returns exit status 1 when attempting to mount it
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[05:35:59] <arai> I'm not really keen on moving my data back out of the dataset, it took it about 4 hours to copy 500GB in
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[05:36:24] <arai> Which actually leads to another question
[05:37:19] <arai> what's the proper load to see in zpool iostat when a zone is using the filesystem?  It looks like I was only getting 30MBps writes
[05:37:39] <arai> which is very odd, since when I was running FreeNAS on the same hardware, I was seeing 350MBps writes
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[05:41:36] <Licenser> arai I have no clue that very much depends on your setup, the kind of load and other factors
[05:45:40] <arai> That makes it quite difficult to tune I'm sure
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[06:44:03] <Licenser> arai well that has nothing to do with ZFS, it has to do with the nature of storage
[06:45:07] <Licenser> I mean you could run your pool on a RAID-10 of 42 floppy disks for all we know :)
[06:45:49] <sheppard> sorry, are floppys not a reccomended medium for zfs?
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[06:46:29] <Licenser> sheppard I think they are fine, but you might get slightly different performance characteristics then form SSD disks.
[06:46:49] <sheppard> I just added 4 ssds to my zpool, it's barely using them, lol
[06:46:58] <Licenser> also you might have trouble to fit 10 floppy in any kind of setup
[06:47:07] <sheppard> think I need a more aggressive workload
[06:47:13] <sheppard> also, usb floppys!
[06:47:31] <Licenser> sheppard yup still need a place to put them
[06:47:35] <sheppard> Licenser: could you imagine the racket on a scrub?
[06:47:53] <Licenser> I am getting tempted
[06:48:39] * sheppard ebays for a pallet of usb floppy drives
[06:48:50] <Licenser> they are too expensive on amazon
[06:49:39] <sheppard> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pack-TEAC-External-USB-Floppy-Drive-FD05PUB-KIT-TI-/270757933506?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0a6e31c2
[06:49:58] <Licenser> wow anazon is cheaper
[06:50:12] <Licenser> you get a floppy there for ~10 euro
[06:50:37] <sheppard> well that's just the first bulk one I found
[06:51:15] <sheppard> found 'em for $10 CAD
[06:52:28] <Licenser> ^^
[06:52:50] <Licenser> no I won't do it, already have a investment coming my way :P
[07:04:18] <sheppard> anything fun?
[07:04:37] <Licenser> sheppard a 4 node SmartOS cluster to test FiFo on :)
[07:04:47] <Licenser> so yup very fun!
[07:04:49] <sheppard> one of those dell c6100s?
[07:04:59] <Licenser> no something I can afford :P
[07:05:05] <sheppard> hehehe
[07:05:19] <Licenser> I am thinking low end laptops
[07:05:23] <sheppard> sometimes they go for dirt cheap, like pennies on the dollar
[07:05:32] <sheppard> and what fifo is still first in first out?
[07:06:13] <Licenser> Nope it's my management suite for SmartOS :) http://project-fifo.net <- if you want to have a  look
[07:07:13] <sheppard> neato
[07:07:30] <Licenser> yup it is
[07:09:58] <Licenser> okayand now I'm off to bed
[07:12:20] <sheppard> cheers
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[09:53:23] <bsdguru> quick question: is there an easy way to delegate zones/zonename from old zfs filesystems from snv_121 hosts into vmadm create?
[09:54:11] <bsdguru> the zfs delegation appears to not work for what I'm attempting causing me to manually do some zonecfg -z bits post zone creation
[09:54:55] <MerlinDMC> bsdguru, real delegation for snapshotting ect. in the zone or does an lofs mount also suite?
[09:56:01] <bsdguru> I'm doing some stuff to get rid of all the gazillion and one zfs datasets as well
[09:56:19] <bsdguru> and just do stuff like zfs set mountpoint=/users zones/oldzonename/users
[09:56:31] <bsdguru> and wait 10+ minutes for the zfs datasets to unmount and remount etc.
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[09:57:28] <bsdguru> the lofs stuff has given me way too many headaches in the past with the joyent shared stuff on snv_121
[09:57:58] <bsdguru> esp when doing zfs send/recv's
[09:58:45] <MerlinDMC> vmadm will not allow you to add datasets from a pool other than zones ... and it will also take care of all the zfs create ... so you can't add something already there the easy way
[09:59:04] <MerlinDMC> adding lofs mounts is easy tho ... you can set filesystems in the vmadm json file for those
[09:59:54] <MerlinDMC> even delegate_dataset is an boolean property ... so either create a dataset for delegation or don't ... but no "add this to there as delegated dataset"
[10:00:16] <bsdguru> I prob need to ping laurel re the internal jira for that
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[13:59:01] <arunoda> anyone knows how I can find the source code os "ps" utility?
[14:02:14] <ira> https://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent/tree/master/usr/src/cmd/ps ?
[14:06:30] <arunoda> thanks. haha I found it
[14:06:35] <arunoda> thank you anyway
[14:06:38] <arunoda> :)
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[18:03:55] <mrvisser> Hi all, I have some SmartOS machines, who will have a private interface open that only listens on SSH
[18:04:36] <mrvisser> would it be necessary to rate-limit connections to this SSH port to avoid any sort of brute-force attacks? The authentication will be by ssh key only
[18:04:55] <rmustacc> Depends on your paranoia.
[18:05:07] <rmustacc> But not necessairily necessary.
[18:05:12] <mrvisser> the machines will also be serving an application server VIA internal interfaces, so I imagine it could be subject to syn attacks
[18:05:30] <mrvisser> or, connection floods
[18:06:03] <mrvisser> does ipfilter supply any way to limit the number of connections allowed per source ip?
[18:06:17] <mrvisser> I know iptables does, i have a mix of linux and solaris machines in my environment
[18:07:37] <rmustacc> Might, I'm not personally sure, sorry.
[18:08:07] <mrvisser> no worries, thanks for responding :)
[18:08:16] <rmustacc> Someone else around here might.
[18:10:36] <Triskelios> sshd uses hosts_access, so you could use a script like blockhosts to temporarily blacklist hosts with too many connection attempts
[18:10:50] <Triskelios> that doesn't help with syn floods, though
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[18:39:20] <ira> Blah… need to find a replacement for my simple dsadm setup. :(
[18:40:14] <MerlinDMC> ira, I'm happy with mine ... and nahamu did update his one as well for imgadm v2
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[18:40:36] <ira> MerlinDMC: The one on github?
[18:40:42] <MerlinDMC> yep
[18:40:47] <ira> MerlinDMC: And where's yours...
[18:41:01] <ira> I need to look at this stuff… my simple apache setup now fails :/
[18:41:07] <MerlinDMC> ira, https://github.com/MerlinDMC/smartos-public-dsapi that one drives datasets.at
[18:41:41] <MerlinDMC> couchdb + little nodejs for filtering/searching
[18:42:05] <MerlinDMC> I got that one fully runable as a dataset as well ... just import + provision and it's running
[18:46:00] <ira> I like the simplicity of nahamu's… But I need to get node onto the machine with images...
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[18:51:32] <MerlinDMC> ira, your plain apache should work as well ... /ping + /datasets + /datasets/<uuid> and for all file transfers (the images) a content-length header should be there
[18:52:27] <ira> MerlinDMC: The dataset/UUID is the hard one.  I use that as a directory for organizing… :/
[18:53:12] <MerlinDMC> mod_rewrite those requests to a manifest file in the subfolder
[18:54:08] <ira> I could also just fix my structure.
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[19:11:57] <ira> I think it is trying to treat my server like it is an imgadm v2 server?
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[19:17:12] <MerlinDMC> if your /ping reply does not announce the imgapi availability it shouldn't
[19:17:54] <ira> (imgapi): Error: statusCode 200, response not JSON:
[19:17:55] <ira>     {"ping":"pong"}
[19:17:56] <ira> :/
[19:18:21] <MerlinDMC> and you have set contenttype correctly?
[19:18:41] <ira> That I'm not sold on…
[19:19:01] <MerlinDMC> but ... hmm ... I also reply with simple text/plain
[19:20:29] <MerlinDMC> and also that "imgapi" infront ... i think it's really trying to use the newer api
[19:20:59] <ira> imgadm sources -e. ...
[19:21:37] <ira> I can't get your server to load either.
[19:22:02] <MerlinDMC> what platform version?
[19:22:29] <ira> Recently built fro git..
[19:22:31] <ira> from
[19:23:15] <ira> https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/commit/3cc379d40d3d0a4e7926490402a0275d2030ff3b
[19:23:56] <MerlinDMC> ah ... so they added the application/json content-type check
[19:24:39] <MerlinDMC> on the 20130307 release it was fine ... i'll update my service -.-
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[19:27:47] <MerlinDMC> ira, it's fine again now ... hopefully
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[19:30:08] <wesolows> ok, perl.  I don't like you, and you don't like me.
[19:30:27] <Licenser> wesolows I don't like perl either if it makes you feel better :)
[19:31:13] <ira> "I hate you, you hate… we're a dysfunctional family."
[19:31:14] <MerlinDMC> bless! ... i did never get into that :)
[19:31:29] <ira> pardon you hate me ;)
[19:31:57] <wesolows> reminds one of the most famous XFL player ever, He Hate Me
[19:32:13] <Licenser> rmustacc btw thanks for the pointer to node-kstat :) got it ported to erlang works like a charm!
[19:33:03] <rmustacc> Licenser: Glad its working.
[19:33:18] <Licenser> reduced the load temendously
[19:33:32] <rmustacc> Yes, it would.
[19:33:50] <Licenser> parsing the entire kstat data from the shell call: ~4s parsing the entire kstat data from libkstat ~0.02s ^^
[19:34:12] <Licenser> especially since I can cache the reesults and don't have to make new snapshots more often then needed
[19:34:26] <rmustacc> Yeah, exactly.
[19:34:27] <Licenser> awesome work from Bryan :)
[19:34:46] <rmustacc> Well, it's just a smaller wrapper around libkstat itself.
[19:34:56] <rmustacc> wesolows: I'm shocked that my experiment this morning worked.
[19:35:21] <Licenser> yea still it made life a lot easyer porting it then reinventing it :)
[19:35:40] <rmustacc> Certainly, yeah.
[19:37:49] <wesolows> rm: I was excited to see that!
[19:38:07] <wesolows> gotta have some kind of good news somewhere
[19:38:50] <rmustacc> Built libdtrace already.
[19:38:53] <rmustacc> Working on lib
[19:38:58] <rmustacc> And building up to ON.
[19:39:04] <rmustacc> Just small incremental pieces.
[19:39:13] <ira> What's new?
[19:39:23] <rmustacc> Experiments. ;)
[19:39:45] <ira> As long as they make me pull my hair out less than imgadm....
[19:40:01] <Licenser> haha
[19:40:07] <Licenser> ira you don't like imgamd? :P
[19:40:26] <ira> I liked it… until they changed it to support the new protocol :P
[19:40:38] <ira> Worked fine… was simple to deal with on my end.. :)
[19:41:52] <Licenser> ira yea I had some of the same issues :P
[19:41:53] <rmustacc> Can't promise you won't want to pull your hair out, but it'll be less painful.
[19:42:41] <Licenser> rmustacc because we've so little left? :P
[19:42:54] <rmustacc> Sure.
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[19:48:01] <Peitolm> 3 hours?
[19:48:10] <ira> 3 hours?
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[22:09:19] <trentster> Can anyone confirm why on newer versions of smartos "zonememstat" does not work correctly, on previous version it showed memory stats for KVM vm's as per: http://monosnap.com/image/i5RRgiVz1p6lDGEcA1C8vkBdG
[22:09:52] <rmustacc> What's it show now?
[22:10:15] <trentster> but on new versions, looks like this http://monosnap.com/image/YV5g0NCIu85Q0JczhXf0JD18S
[22:10:41] <rmustacc> Hmm. I'll have to see how it's calculating that.
[22:10:47] <rmustacc> Can you file a bug on smartos-live please/
[22:10:48] <rmustacc> *?
[22:11:29] <trentster> yup...
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[22:12:30] <trentster> rmustacc: I would also beinterested to find out what combination of kstats zonememstat is using
[22:14:29] <Licenser> zone_memory_cap :)
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[22:24:36] <trentster> rmustacc: issue 187 submitted
[22:24:51] <rmustacc> trentster: Gotcha.
[22:24:57] <rmustacc> Just fyi, it's not a very useful number even when you have it.
[22:24:59] <rmustacc> But regressions are bad.
[22:25:18] <trentster> rmustacc: +1 on regressions should not occur
[22:25:19] <rmustacc> I say that because it's more or less a constant.
[22:26:00] <trentster> rmustacc: I would love to know your better method of getting consistent ram stats directly from kstats that will work across zone and kvm vm's?
[22:26:07] <trentster> I am all ears ;-)
[22:26:36] <rmustacc> There aren't meaningful kstats for VMs.
[22:26:42] <rmustacc> Not for memory.
[22:26:47] <rmustacc> It's a constant as far as the host cares.
[22:26:55] <rmustacc> You start qemu.
[22:27:02] <rmustacc> It allocs all of the memory it needs to give to the guest.
[22:27:08] <rmustacc> It gets locked down and stays there.
[22:27:59] <trentster> rmustacc: so you dont show ram usage metrics to customers using joyent public cloud + KVM vm's in the UI?
[22:28:04] <trentster> *web UI
[22:28:27] <rmustacc> I don't recall what CA displays off hand for that.
[22:28:35] <rmustacc> I think it just shows you the QEMU memory usage.
[22:28:41] <rmustacc> But that's the gotcha with HVM.
[22:28:47] <rmustacc> Unless you want to start running agents inside of the guest.
[22:28:59] <trentster> nah, agents …yuck
[22:29:12] <rmustacc> Yeah, my thought exactly.
[22:31:38] <trentster> whats interesting tho, is that as you mention you should not be able to see RSS stats for KVM vm's via kstst, yet in the working version of "zonememstat" it was clearly getting stats from somewhere( not out of ether I hope)
[22:32:33] <rmustacc> Well, you're getting stats for QEMU.
[22:32:37] <rmustacc> And all the processes in teh zone.
[22:33:35] <trentster> yup, gotcha
[22:47:55] <trentster> rmustacc: any point in me trying latest smartos image on my one node that kernel dumps re: apic , is there anything new in there that may help?
[22:48:40] <rmustacc> No, not yet, sorry. I got hit with a bunch of escalations this week, so it's taking a bit longer for me to look at it, sorry.
[22:48:51] <trentster> np, just asking...
[22:48:54] <trentster> thanks.
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