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[00:09:40] <jesse_> because, linking with libz will bring libgcc_s somehow to java libs and binaries linking with libz
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[00:10:39] <jesse_> I have no idea how it can even be possible
[00:11:34] <jesse_> I could ofcourse link with local libz (or with static system libz), but I'm not sure it's any better
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[00:43:41] <szaydel> Hey folks, wondering if someone might be able to help me figure this out. I have been trying to do a build of SmartOS from source and am continually failing. My environment is setup using the same image as described on the Wiki, and I am sure I am not missing anything. I keep failing with: gmake: *** [0-illumos-stamp] Error 1
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[01:03:59] <wesolows> szaydel: the illumos-joyent build is failing; the log can be found in projects/illumos/log
[01:04:24] <szaydel> wesolows: Are you saying this is expected?
[01:04:48] <wesolows> no, of course not
[01:05:34] <szaydel> OK, sorry misunderstood. I can certainly tell that it is failing, and yes have been looking at the log. :)
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[01:26:24] <richlowe> grep -B10 'Error code' <log> | head -100
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[01:34:57] <szaydel> richlowe: Thanks will do in just a bit.
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[04:56:04] <nhubbard> couple of questions, first one being how can I figure out what the path to my CD drive is? second is there anyway to automatically kick off a script when a cd is inserted into the drive in global zone?
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[05:11:24] <wesolows> (a) rmformat, (b) probably not but historically we had vold etc.
[05:11:48] <richlowe> answer to (b) would be "hal, somehow"
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[05:12:01] <richlowe> that's how vold's replacement works, anyway.
[05:15:17] <jesse_> hal is probably just going to tell you 'I'm sorry, nhubbard. I'm afraid I can't do that.'
[05:17:42] <nhubbard> jesse_: lol
[05:18:45] <nhubbard> wesolows: thanks for rmformat that gave me at least part of what I needed to get
[05:19:10] <nhubbard> now to figure out what I can do with hal
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[05:45:09] <richlowe> not a lot, since it looks like smartos doesn't deliver it.
[05:48:00] <wesolows> correct, we don't.
[05:48:32] <richlowe> sensible enough, nothing it does is particularly relevant.
[05:48:44] <richlowe> except to nhubbard, apparently.
[05:50:01] <nhubbard> yeah :/ I think I just need to build a dedicated box to handle this process that needs the cd drives and that would solve my problem
[05:50:52] <nhubbard> would you guys recommend using something else as a filer for multi-TB NFS sharing? or does smartos do a good job handling that?
[05:52:08] <wesolows> I would look at OmniOS until NFS works in zones
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[05:52:48] <wesolows> it works on SmartOS in the GZ, but it's hardly our central purpose
[05:54:58] <nhubbard> wesolows: yeah, I'm leaning towards dedicated a box to Nexenta to handle that stuff
[05:56:20] <wesolows> that works fine too.  If it can't work in a zone, SmartOS probably isn't the best choice for it.
[05:56:36] <wesolows> and I'm really happy to say so.
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[10:16:15] <blindcoder> hello
[10:16:34] <blindcoder> I seem to have broken my imgadm: http://sprunge.us/SeGf
[10:16:52] <blindcoder> that's when installing an image either from a server or from local FS
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[15:52:12] <antimatterian> what's the best log for watching the boot process of smartos? specifically the vms
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[15:59:17] <jelmd> COM1 or COM2 ;-)
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[16:24:48] <opeth__> well yeah, vmadm console :]
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[21:25:09] <jesse_> what's the difference between /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 and /opt/local/gcc47/lib/./libgcc_s.so.1 ?
[21:25:35] <wesolows> the one in the platform matches the compiler used to build the platform binaries
[21:26:01] <wesolows> the one in pkgsrc matches the pkgsrc compiler used to build packages and customer software
[21:26:16] <wesolows> each should be referenced only by binaries built with the respective compiler
[21:27:04] <jesse_> and my compile thinks it's cool to to both
[21:27:10] <jesse_> +link
[21:27:49] <wesolows> that seems highly unlikely.  What DT_NEEDED entries are present in the generated binary?
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[21:28:58] <wesolows> what's more likely is that library A comes from the platform and is linked with the platform libgcc_s, while library B comes from pkgsrc and is linked with its libgcc_s, and then you build a third binary that's linked with both libraries.  This can result in both libgcc_s copies in your address space.
[21:29:21] <jesse_> uhm
[21:29:29] <jesse_> ldd lists everything recursively?
[21:29:35] <wesolows> yes.
[21:29:48] <wesolows> you need to use elfdump -d to see each binary's or library's entries
[21:30:06] <jesse_> wall: meet head
[21:30:13] <jesse_> well, that explains it
[21:30:21] <wesolows> ldd is something of a blunt object
[21:31:04] <jesse_> is there a 'show needed as a tree'-command?
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[21:31:25] <jesse_> instead of going through all dependencies manually with elfdump -d
[21:32:56] <jelmd> something like http://iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~elkner/tmp/findUsedLibs.sh
[21:33:14] <jesse_> amazing how I've come this far without a single linking problem that needed more than a quick glance at ldd
[21:34:03] <jesse_> no, not like that
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[21:34:30] <jesse_> more like ldd that would show (indented) which libs a lib depends on
[21:34:40] <jesse_> or needs
[21:35:37] <jesse_> for some reason, I've always thought ldd shows only immediate linking needs
[21:35:58] <jesse_> oh well, it has been several hours well spent figuring this out=)
[21:41:46] <jesse_> unrelated;
[21:42:02] <jesse_> I just love things that require older version of itself to compile
[21:42:09] <jesse_> (mostly compilers)
[21:42:11] <wesolows> you mean like gcc?
[21:42:23] <jesse_> in this specific case, java
[21:42:44] <wesolows> yeah, that I don't understand.  it ought to be possible to build a java compiler written in C and then use that
[21:42:45] <jesse_> and to be more specific, the new invokeDynamic feature
[21:42:59] <jesse_> ofcourse it would be possible
[21:43:07] <jesse_> if there were a java compiler written in c
[21:43:15] <jesse_> (+in the openjdk sources)
[21:43:23] <jesse_> javac is written in java
[21:43:24] <jperkin> haskell too
[21:43:44] <wesolows> right... because of course the first thing any language weenie does once he's written a compiler for his language is to throw it away in favour of a new one written in the same language.  I'd forgotten.
[21:43:48] <jesse_> any language that has its compiler written in itself, obviously
[21:44:11] <jesse_> wesolows, so, you think our C compilers should be written in assembler?
[21:44:34] <wesolows> I think a simple C compiler should be, yes, and a more complicated compiler written to be compiled by that one.
[21:44:43] <wesolows> from there one can easily bootstrap.
[21:44:57] <jesse_> we went past that sometime in the 70s, I think
[21:45:05] <jesse_> whenever someone invented cross compiling
[21:45:07] <wesolows> yes, I know.  That doesn't mean it was the right answer.
[21:45:23] <jesse_> I don't think there is a right answer to this problem
[21:45:36] <jesse_> there are plenty of bad ones
[21:45:44] <jperkin> the right answer is 'Use C'
[21:45:59] <wesolows> perhaps not.  It does seem that a decent answer is to write all compilers in C, since every machine has a C compiler.
[21:46:24] <wesolows> jperkin: yes.  Not just for writing compilers, but for everything.  And then we wouldn't need all these other runtimes either :-)
[21:46:32] <jesse_> if all compilers were written in haskell, every machine would have a haskell compiler
[21:46:46] <wesolows> except mine.
[21:47:06] <wesolows> because I'd turn it off and move to Nunavut rather than use haskell.
[21:47:38] <jesse_> s/haskell/anything-but-C/
[21:48:46] <wesolows> well, I can write in JS.  It's oretty similar to C though.
[21:48:49] <wesolows> *pretty
[21:48:58] <jesse_> jperkin, fixed the jdk libgcc_s problem, and then tracked the problem some more even when it was gone (libz links with libgcc_s, too)
[21:49:21] <wesolows> did you ever figure out whether libz actually needs libgcc_s?
[21:49:31] <jesse_> wesolows, JS crap from bowels of hell
[21:49:37] <wesolows> my assumption is that it probably does not.
[21:49:53] <jesse_> wesolows, I think that'll be jperkin's problem ;)
[21:49:58] <wesolows> V8 certainly comes from hell.
[21:50:05] <wesolows> ok.
[21:50:41] <jesse_> I'll keep dynamic libz, and if/when libz doesn't need libgcc_s the dependency disappears from my ldd
[21:50:54] <jperkin> hm, iirc libz does its own build rather than using libtool
[21:51:39] <jesse_> but, back to the invokedynamic point
[21:51:45] <wesolows> it's rare that you want to build anything using -zrecord; we should really make -zignore the default.
[21:51:57] <jesse_> now that branch of java requires a java that has invokedynamic to compile
[21:52:52] <jesse_> so it's not enough to have jdk7 that can be used to build jdk7
[21:53:29] <jperkin> sigh, idiots
[21:53:31] <jesse_> now I'll need to track down the flag day that lets me build a jdk7 that can build the has-invoke-dynamic jdk7
[21:53:40] <jesse_> it's not officially out yet
[21:54:01] <jesse_> except that the latest panic-0day-fix seems to have invokedynamic in it=)
[21:56:54] <rmustacc> wesolows: I think that most things require libgcc_s because of the C++ unwinding and gcc doesn't know we can use ours / ld --as-needed
[21:57:28] <jesse_> C++ with exceptions pretty much requires libgcc_s
[21:57:33] <rmustacc> No, it doesn't.
[21:57:52] <rmustacc> Only when the compiler thinks that your platform doesn't provide it.
[21:58:23] <rmustacc> Then again, the only one who almost understand's what's going on there is richlowe.
[21:58:43] <rmustacc> At least, of people who lurk in this channel.
[22:02:16] <wesolows> well, even so, libz doesn't contain any c++, so the addition of -lgcc_s is likely just automatic and with -zignore it would not be recorded at all
[22:03:03] <rmustacc> It was my understanding that gcc doesn't think we understand the .eh_frame stuff in the linker correctly so it always links it there so it can do unwinding for c++ code that's linked with that library.
[22:03:15] <wesolows> ah, that must be it.
[22:03:16] <rmustacc> But I could be mistaken in my memory.
[22:03:34] <wesolows> _Jv_RegisterClasses etc.  a pox on c++.
[22:04:03] <rmustacc> So given that Rich fixed that, the remaining task is to tell gcc that we can do that, and then the related linker automatic stuff.
[22:05:10] <jesse_> with -static-libgcc I do get -lgcc -lgcc_eh to the linker
[22:05:47] <jesse_> instead of (-dynamic-libgcc's) -lgcc_s
[22:06:04] <rmustacc> jesse_: To get a better understanding of all the different versions you can use ldd -v.
[22:09:22] <jesse_> rmustacc, that's what I should have been staring, yes. and pretty much does what I was asking for
[22:10:44] <jesse_> hmmm, there's /usr/lib/libz and /opt/local/lib/libz, which one should openjdk use?
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[22:12:10] <jesse_> make that /lib/libz
[22:16:48] <rmustacc> It should specifically use /opt/local/lib
[22:16:58] <rmustacc> You'll notice there is no compilation symlink for /lib/libz
[22:17:15] <rmustacc> It's a necessary library for some of the platform software, but nothing outside the platform should use it.
[22:18:22] <jesse_> yeah, one build I made didn't have libz in /opt/local/lib, apparently
[22:18:32] <jesse_> probably the one I gave jperkin, too
[22:18:34] <rmustacc> I'm surprised that worked then.
[22:18:45] <rmustacc> Because there are no libz headers.
[22:19:19] <jesse_> hmmm
[22:19:31] <rmustacc> And there should be no compilation symlink.
[22:19:37] <rmustacc> At least on any recent SmartOS system.
[22:19:55] <jesse_> maybe I had the lib lookup path messed up at the time
[22:20:09] <jesse_> anyway, doesn't happen anymore
[22:20:31] <rmustacc> Yeah, libz, libcrypto, libxml2, etc.
[22:20:35] <rmustacc> It's true for all of those.
[22:21:26] <wesolows> it's also possible that the build system will directly place library path names on the link-editor command line
[22:21:38] <wesolows> this is, of course, evil, but it does work.
[22:22:45] <jesse_> it uses gcc and -lwhatever to link, nothing fancy
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[22:56:53] <eklof> Hi all. Kind of new to zones. I have created a zone and for some reason it can only ping itself and the global zone. I can't ping any other machine in the same subnet and not a host on the internet.
[22:57:22] <eklof> i have the same default router as the global zone.
[22:57:47] <rmustacc> Can you share the definition you used to make it?
[22:58:08] <eklof> sure, im' creating a fifo-zone, hang on.
[22:58:56] <eklof> http://pastebin.com/UnEmp8UH
[22:59:03] <eklof> that's it i believe.
[22:59:24] <eklof> 10.10.10.9 is the global and 10.10.10.1 is my gateway
[22:59:34] <rmustacc> You're missing primary: true
[22:59:54] <rmustacc> If you don't specify it, the gateway for that network interface will not count.
[23:00:08] <eklof> ok
[23:00:15] <rmustacc> If you run netstat -rn in the zone, you should see that there is no default gateway.
[23:00:20] <eklof> so just add a "primary": true ?
[23:00:34] <jesse_> rmustacc, I thought it was not needed when there is only one nic?
[23:00:44] <eklof> i'll check
[23:00:57] <rmustacc> See the manual page for nics.*.primary
[23:01:17] <eklof> actually, there is a default
[23:01:43] <jesse_> latest zone I created didn't have it and it added default gateway just fine
[23:01:54] <eklof> http://pastebin.com/akutzdjG
[23:02:36] <eklof> However, this smartos is just a test inside a virtualbox with a bridged intgerface. But I don't think that should matter
[23:02:47] <eklof> or maybe it does.
[23:03:16] <eklof> the global zone shows a e1000g interface and a vnic net0 assigned to the fifo zone
[23:03:29] <eklof> and in the zone i can ping 10.10.10.20 and 10.10.10.9
[23:03:37] <jesse_> eklof, http://wiki.smartos.org/display/DOC/SmartOS+on+VirtualBox
[23:04:05] <eklof> oh hello! :)
[23:05:37] <eklof> i indeed have promiscuous mode deny
[23:05:44] <eklof> i'll enable that and try again
[23:05:46] <eklof> thanks
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[23:09:49] <Eimann> Hi
[23:10:19] <eklof> oh no, i missed the part where it's not working in osz
[23:10:21] <eklof> osx
[23:10:38] <eklof> and, it's not. Oh well, just have to find another way of testing
[23:10:39] <Eimann> I thought, booting with standalone=true,noimport=true would make smartos ignore the configs, so I can use the default password for the specific release
[23:11:05] <Eimann> but somehow it doesn't. I want to destroy the zpool and reinstall smartos + create new zpool
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[23:21:37] <Eimann> what bothers me though is that the single user mode password isn't working in single user mode :)
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[23:27:07] <jesse_> Eimann, ,standalone=true,noimport=true has root password of 'root'
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[23:42:08] <Eimann> I see, thanks
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