December 31, 2012 
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December 31, 2012 [00:03:28] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[00:10:08] *** jamesd has quit IRC[00:17:38] *** xer0x has joined #smartos[00:18:32] <xer0x> got it - thanks nahamu[00:29:02] *** xer0x has quit IRC[01:17:04] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[01:18:25] *** wolfeidau has quit IRC[01:18:30] *** wolfeida_ has joined #smartos[01:22:13] *** jamesd has quit IRC[01:54:51] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[02:02:35] *** rcamera has left #smartos[02:08:03] *** jgrafton has joined #smartos[02:18:09] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[02:32:07] *** jgrafton has quit IRC[02:45:25] *** jamesd_ has joined #smartos[02:48:15] *** jamesd has quit IRC[02:49:57] *** xer0x has joined #smartos[02:54:45] *** montyz0 has joined #smartos[02:55:22] *** montyz has joined #smartos[02:55:50] *** montyz0 has quit IRC[03:22:07] *** jgrafton has joined #smartos[03:23:31] *** molybdenum1 has joined #smartos[03:24:53] *** molybdenum has quit IRC[03:37:02] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[03:38:09] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC[03:42:55] *** miine_ has joined #smartos[03:45:25] *** miine has quit IRC[03:45:25] *** miine_ is now known as miine[03:50:42] *** xer0x has quit IRC[04:40:29] *** haydock has joined #smartos[04:43:24] *** haydock has quit IRC[04:47:13] *** dysinger has quit IRC[04:47:14] *** calmh has quit IRC[04:47:18] *** taspts has quit IRC[04:47:19] *** sheppard has quit IRC[04:47:19] *** Zigara has quit IRC[04:47:23] *** calmh has joined #smartos[04:47:25] *** taspts has joined #smartos[04:47:30] *** dysinger has joined #smartos[04:47:31] *** Zigara has joined #smartos[04:47:48] *** sheppard has joined #smartos[04:53:29] *** xer0x has joined #smartos[05:00:03] *** wolfeida_ has quit IRC[05:14:11] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[05:19:35] *** wolfeidau has joined #smartos[05:35:17] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[05:39:36] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[06:09:03] *** jgrafton has quit IRC[06:16:38] *** Webhostbudd has joined #smartos[06:17:52] *** xer0x has quit IRC[06:33:15] *** ryancnelson has quit IRC[06:47:40] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[06:59:59] *** newlix has joined #smartos[07:04:12] *** newlix has quit IRC[07:09:46] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[07:33:40] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[07:39:52] *** tehbest has quit IRC[08:02:26] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[08:07:10] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[08:17:45] *** alucardX has joined #smartos[08:21:01] <alucardX> morning[08:26:46] <MerlinDMC> morning[08:29:54] <Licenser> morning[08:31:09] *** LucidDreamZzZ has quit IRC[08:33:20] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[08:48:34] *** LucidDreamZzZ has joined #smartos[08:49:26] *** biant92 has joined #smartos[09:00:04] *** newlix has joined #smartos[09:04:26] *** newlix has quit IRC[09:08:03] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC[09:23:37] *** texarcana has quit IRC[09:24:53] *** texarcana has joined #smartos[09:34:51] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[10:06:01] *** ryancnelson has quit IRC[10:11:37] *** Teknix has quit IRC[10:12:00] *** Teknix has joined #smartos[10:12:20] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #smartos[10:22:12] *** mamash has joined #smartos[10:23:36] *** LucidDreamZzZ has quit IRC[10:34:29] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[10:40:27] *** lblume has joined #smartos[10:40:41] *** Teknix has quit IRC[10:41:05] *** Teknix has joined #smartos[10:53:25] *** mgoetzke has joined #smartos[10:54:29] <mgoetzke> hi does anybody know a way to convert a raidz1 into a mirror on smartos ? basically i have a raidz1 and would like to add a mirror with 2 new drives and make sure the raidz section is totally moved to the raid,, and optimally removed[11:00:20] *** newlix has joined #smartos[11:01:47] <MerlinDMC> mamash, ping?[11:05:00] *** newlix has quit IRC[11:35:53] *** mamash has left #smartos[11:37:24] *** LucidDreamZzZ has joined #smartos[11:39:39] *** mamash has joined #smartos[11:52:08] *** mamash has left #smartos[11:56:22] *** mamash has joined #smartos[11:57:19] *** mamash has left #smartos[12:01:22] *** mgoetzke has quit IRC[12:03:37] *** Teknix has quit IRC[12:05:09] *** Teknix has joined #smartos[12:32:09] *** ins0mnia has joined #smartos[12:33:41] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[13:06:35] *** Teknix has quit IRC[13:07:00] *** Teknix has joined #smartos[13:08:20] *** alucardX has quit IRC[13:29:57] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[13:41:54] *** mamash has joined #smartos[13:56:01] *** Wraithhh has quit IRC[13:56:07] *** Wraithhh has joined #smartos[13:56:36] *** cornet has quit IRC[13:56:43] *** cornet has joined #smartos[14:05:36] *** Wraithhh has quit IRC[14:08:43] <Alasdairrr> Who at Joyent is most interested in linker bugs?[14:11:10] *** halldorh has quit IRC[14:11:47] *** Wraithhh has joined #smartos[14:13:22] <Alasdairrr> jperkin: you might be interested[14:13:24] <Alasdairrr> https://www.illumos.org/issues/3436[14:27:35] *** calmh has quit IRC[14:33:47] *** calmh has joined #smartos[14:53:16] <xenol> I would be interested to have IPv6 configurable via vmadm. I read on the mailing list that the support is underway, but it was in May 2012. Is there any ETA or a way how could I help?[14:53:24] <xenol> I can test it[14:57:21] <MerlinDMC> xenol, i have ipv6 in a branch for zones ... needs work for kvm VMs (qemu dhcp server needs to be able to give the VM an ipv6 address and default route)[14:58:59] <konobi> MerlinDMC: not NDP?[14:59:35] <MerlinDMC> konobi, i did never work with, or think about ipv6 ... so i really have no idea what would be the correct way to go there[15:00:18] <MerlinDMC> i would implement the raw packet sending code and integrate that into qemu but i'm missing the basic knowledge of address autoconfiguration for ipv6 ;)[15:00:27] <konobi> i think just allowing ndp[15:01:10] <konobi> you want something to do route advertisement[15:02:53] <xenol> MerlinDMC: I can help you with address autoconfiguration, the algorithm is easy[15:03:21] <xenol> althouh I am not sure I am able to provide patches as that is quite big stuff for me[15:03:32] *** mamash has left #smartos[15:03:41] <xenol> MerlinDMC: is your KVM branch online?[15:03:56] <MerlinDMC> xenol, let me finish my issue comment - i can give you info about what qemu has currently and what is missing there :)[15:04:07] <xenol> MerlinDMC: ok[15:16:09] *** jamesd has quit IRC[15:16:24] *** jaakkos has quit IRC[15:19:29] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[15:26:11] *** forexample has joined #smartos[15:35:40] *** jaakkos has joined #smartos[15:38:50] <MerlinDMC> konobi, so i would need to have NDP and indicate there that also dhcpv6 information (hostname, dns servers) is available? or can i get the dns and hostname information via NDP?[15:41:14] <konobi> thre's no need for dhcp with ipv6[15:41:36] <linuxprofessor> if you want to[15:41:56] <linuxprofessor> control ip assignment to a certain mac it's needed[15:42:29] <konobi> there is support for dns stuff in RA these days[15:42:39] <linuxprofessor> oh[15:42:48] <linuxprofessor> yeah.[15:43:33] <linuxprofessor> I'm using RA, just setting static IPv6 addresses where needed[15:44:14] <MerlinDMC> konobi, so NDP + RA should give me those possibilities? ... will put that on my todo maybe that's easier than the dhcpv6 game[15:44:56] <konobi> MerlinDMC: radvd is probably worth looking at[15:47:27] <MerlinDMC> will note that :)[15:48:43] <linuxprofessor> are you getting ipv6 from your isp or using a tunnel broker?[15:49:26] <MerlinDMC> isp[15:49:39] <linuxprofessor> are they giving you a /64?[15:49:45] <MerlinDMC> yep[15:49:59] <linuxprofessor> how's that assigned? i've always wondered[15:50:22] <linuxprofessor> i mean, you can't get a whole /64 via dhcp?[15:50:35] <linuxprofessor> or do you have to request it?[15:52:02] <konobi> RA[15:53:08] <linuxprofessor> yeah. but. say you get a /64 assigned. shouldn't you have an IP in another /64 on the outside and then another /64 on the inside for your own equipment?[15:53:29] <linuxprofessor> and a router with access to both subnets[15:53:54] <linuxprofessor> since you don't use NAT, how do you get the inside /64 assigned?[15:54:01] <linuxprofessor> or am I missing something? =)[15:54:24] <konobi> there is no inside/outside[15:54:58] <linuxprofessor> i AM missing something, hehe[15:55:22] <nahamu> linuxprofessor: are you asking about a private ipv6 prefix that isn't routed on the internet?[15:55:28] <linuxprofessor> nope[15:55:48] <linuxprofessor> wondering how an ISP assigns a /64 to someone[15:56:09] <konobi> linuxprofessor: have a read up about NDP[15:56:33] <nahamu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbor_Discovery_Protocol[15:56:52] <linuxprofessor> reading, tnx =)[15:57:24] <linuxprofessor> but I'm still not getting how it works[15:57:50] <linuxprofessor> if you connect to your ISP you get an IP via RD, yes?[15:58:06] <linuxprofessor> is that IP always a part of "your" /64?[15:59:03] <konobi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Stateless_address_autoconfiguration_.28SLAAC.29[15:59:24] <linuxprofessor> don't think i'm explaining myself very well here, hehe[16:00:37] <linuxprofessor> anyway. let's say you get and IP, 2001:480:df84::2/64 for example[16:00:51] <konobi> you get a prefix, not an address[16:01:01] <nahamu> rmustacc: if you're awake, I'm confused as hell about how to get my QEMU to respond to the QMP query with the appropriate "hwsetup" response...[16:01:27] <linuxprofessor> oh, aah. I get the prefix and then I use auto conf[16:01:28] <nahamu> (I can't even get the *platform* QEMU to demonstrate what I'm trying to do...[16:01:50] <konobi> linuxprofessor: the prefix is part of the autoconf[16:01:55] <linuxprofessor> got it[16:02:16] <linuxprofessor> I'm using a tunnel broker and NDP/RA in my home network to assign addresses[16:02:32] <linuxprofessor> but I got the prefix statically assigned[16:02:56] <nahamu> linuxprofessor: did you then have to hard-code it somewhere?[16:03:01] <linuxprofessor> yupp[16:03:06] <linuxprofessor> in my router[16:03:12] <konobi> i think i still have a /48 somewhere[16:03:37] <nahamu> so you're asking if there's some nice magical stateless / not-hard-coded way to hook a router up to an ISP and have IPv6 "just work"?[16:03:58] <linuxprofessor> nahamu: yeah, if my ISP would decide to offer me IPv6[16:04:23] <nahamu> right. I'm waiting for my home ISP to start doing that so that I can learn how it all works...[16:04:30] <linuxprofessor> or do "normal ppl" need new soho-routers with acutally dont route anymore?[16:04:34] <linuxprofessor> which[16:04:38] <linuxprofessor> i cant spell today[16:06:15] <konobi> linuxprofessor: http://www.sixxs.net/tools/aiccu/[16:08:48] <linuxprofessor> what about it? =)[16:09:32] <konobi> that's how to get your tunnel to behave more like it's native[16:10:21] <linuxprofessor> yeah, no. i don't have problems with my tunnel.[16:10:59] <linuxprofessor> just curious about how ISPs will assign prefix/address(es) to normal ppl who dont have a clu how anything works[16:11:28] <konobi> they advertise the prefix[16:12:16] <linuxprofessor> do they have an IP in that prefix that your equipment will use as gw?[16:12:35] <konobi> the advertisement says how to route[16:13:09] <linuxprofessor> but that will kill any possibilities of having a router of your own and your own internal prefix that you control yourself?[16:13:21] <linuxprofessor> like i have today with my tunnel[16:13:45] <konobi> that's sort of the point[16:14:05] <linuxprofessor> don't like that point, i want a central firewall for my home network[16:14:22] <konobi> if you have your own prefix (assigned from ARIN/RIPE) that will route via the same mechanism[16:14:38] <konobi> linuxprofessor: sure, you just do that on your radvd device[16:14:56] <linuxprofessor> but i dont route in the firewall like i do today?[16:15:38] <konobi> there's no NAT... but firewalls still work[16:16:29] <konobi> linuxprofessor: think of it in terms of firewalling a /24 in IPv4 terms[16:16:52] <linuxprofessor> I know there's no NAT, but if i get a prefix from my ISP that prefix (/64) will be assigned on the "outside" of my firewall. then what the heck should I use on the inside? or should i just forward de RA's into the network behind the firewall?[16:17:36] <konobi> don't use anything different inside[16:18:33] <linuxprofessor> so basically a firewall without routing?[16:18:56] <konobi> firewalls have nothing to do with routing[16:19:16] <linuxprofessor> nah, I know. but all soho firewalls are combined with a NAT router[16:19:24] <linuxprofessor> and since IPv6 doesnt use nat[16:20:02] <konobi> the apple airport stuff, linksys and dlink stuff have all supported ipv6 for a while[16:20:27] <linuxprofessor> think I got how it works[16:20:41] <linuxprofessor> just waiting for my ISP to get their thumbs out[16:21:56] <konobi> whatever you plug into your cable modem, dsl modem, ethernet drop, is still your central control point... you can do all youre firewalling there[16:22:08] <konobi> unless you're doing multi-homing craziness[16:23:29] <linuxprofessor> used to have two ISPs, but I was to cheap to keep it[16:24:01] <linuxprofessor> pretty satisfied with my current 100/100 connection[16:24:11] <konobi> yragh[16:34:03] <linuxprofessor> used to have 2x 100 mbit[16:47:52] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[16:52:24] *** jamesd has quit IRC[16:58:24] <rmustacc> nahamu: Did you apply the patch?[17:02:50] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[17:03:33] <rmustacc> Alasdairrr: When it comes to linker bugs, probably me and wesolows.[17:03:51] <rmustacc> Though for what it's worth, we're doing just fine with all the pkgsrc c++ using gcc 4.6 and gcc 4.7[17:03:57] <Alasdairrr> yeah[17:04:00] <Alasdairrr> i think this is my env[17:04:04] <Alasdairrr> igork is having no issues[17:04:28] <Alasdairrr> just trying to narrow it down[17:04:54] <rmustacc> Though it could not be all C++ code. I'm just thinking of node.js as the main example.[17:06:19] <nahamu> rmustacc: the patch doesn't apply cleanly at all to QEMU 1.1.2[17:06:35] <nahamu> I think I may have figured out the bits I need to get the same thing implemented, though.[17:07:05] <rmustacc> Ah, unfortunate.[17:07:38] <nahamu> http://fpaste.org/zLZf/ <- I think that's pretty close to what I need.[17:07:42] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[17:08:11] <Alasdairrr> rmustacc: well i can't even rebuild gcc, libstdc++ barfs with the same linker errors[17:08:43] <Alasdairrr> something about my gcc builds are producing discarded sections that illumos ld doesn't like that Solaris 11 ld doesn't mind[17:09:21] <Alasdairrr> very very bizarre[17:09:58] <rmustacc> Weird.[17:10:37] <Alasdairrr> it is[17:10:59] *** ins0mnia has quit IRC[17:11:05] <konobi> with rich's patches?[17:11:33] <Alasdairrr> with or without, makes no difference, igork has a set for gcc 4.6 and i tried with those[17:11:38] <Alasdairrr> gcc 4.4 unpatched is fine[17:11:42] <Alasdairrr> 4.6 and 4.7 not so much[17:11:55] <Alasdairrr> https://www.illumos.org/issues/3436[17:12:03] <Alasdairrr> i'm continuing to investigate[17:12:09] <rmustacc> Weird, since we use the pkgsrc gcc to build gcc 4.4.4[17:13:11] <Alasdairrr> it's like my gcc builds have COMDAT and nobody elses do[17:13:13] <Alasdairrr> or are doing COMDAT wrongly[17:13:37] <Alasdairrr> but thats me guessing because I'm not really that low-level in my understanding of whats going on[17:14:39] *** jim80net has joined #smartos[17:16:51] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[17:21:55] <rmustacc> I'm not quite as familiar with it either. Rich is probably the person who knows best, and I can already tell you that he'll want access to all of the objects and the linker command line.[17:22:54] <Alasdairrr> Yeah, he hasn't been around just yet[17:25:46] <nahamu> https://github.com/nshalman/qemu/commit/01fc4bade771cdde00f98ab5b6378e86180c70aa[17:26:20] <nahamu> that seems to do the trick.[17:27:50] <rmustacc> We have a working gcc 47 if you want to compare.[17:28:17] <rmustacc> nahamu: Looks right to me.[17:28:34] <szaydel> Hey folks, so this may be a silly question, or not… kstat is a treasure-trove of information and I wondering if anyone has feedback about what few items they look at first when they suspect network issues. Yes, there are other tools, but assuming those tools were not there, what do you look at? Do you start with MAC layer and then loop at TCP/IP, start with TCP/IP, etc? I am trying to write some collectors that will allow me to pred[17:28:34] <szaydel> potential network problems and such, or at least somewhat proactively warn about possible problems. And I am trying to use only kstat for this.[17:28:42] *** kfr- has quit IRC[17:28:56] <rmustacc> The main goal with that was to separate out the process that was allocating all the DRAM and booting the VM.[17:28:57] <nahamu> rmustacc: it passed the important "does it work" test, so I'm happy. :)[17:29:10] <rmustacc> szaydel: Have you seen Brendan's blog entry on the USE method?[17:29:12] <nahamu> rmustacc: ah, I see.[17:29:21] *** LucidDreamZzZ has quit IRC[17:29:25] <rmustacc> He has a bunch of examples that relate to that, one moment, I'll pull it up for you.[17:29:38] <nahamu> so that you can detect "qemu is hanging waiting for RAM" vs. "qemu is hanging becuase it's qemu"[17:29:54] <szaydel> rmustacc: Funny you mention it, I was just thinking, I need to read that post. :o)[17:29:59] <rmustacc> szaydel: http://dtrace.org/blogs/brendan/2012/12/19/the-use-method-smartos-performance-checklist/[17:30:00] *** kfr- has joined #smartos[17:30:07] <rmustacc> It may not have all the things you want, but I'd start there.[17:30:10] <rmustacc> nahamu: Exactly.[17:30:15] <szaydel> rmustacc: Awesome == Thank you![17:31:48] <kfr-> is anyone doing pure ssd pools?[17:32:08] <kfr-> I'm toying with the idea of doing a sata rpool[17:32:23] <kfr-> not crazy about sata though[17:33:14] <rmustacc> kfr-: If you're doing it, I would probably suggest avoiding the ahci controller and probably still try to put it behind an lsi controller.[17:33:19] <rmustacc> At least that way it can do some of the hotplug.[17:33:40] <kfr-> LSI for sure[17:33:55] <rmustacc> AHCI + hotplug is kind of eh.[17:34:05] <rmustacc> If you're keeping the number of devices small and don't do multipathing, it won't be so bad.[17:34:27] <rmustacc> Though it's hard to get SAS ssds that are power safe and economical.[17:34:36] <kfr-> yea[17:36:02] <kfr-> I'm kind of on the fence[17:36:41] <kfr-> I might go roating rust[17:36:50] <szaydel> kfr-: STECs are excellent but it is not too difficult to overwhelm an HBA. At some point the bus becomes a problem, so determining at which point the bus is a bottleneck is important.[17:37:49] <szaydel> If I am dual-pathing with SAS, I would not go much beyond 24SSDs per dual SAS HBA.[17:38:40] <szaydel> Though, depending on your network, it may be your biggest bottleneck assuming a sizable SSD pool.[17:39:35] <kfr-> I'm thinking of 6[17:42:32] <Alasdairrr> rmustacc: thanks for the offer of the working gcc 4.7, could come in handy to compare[17:43:47] <rmustacc> Well, just install a 1.8.x dataset and that's the gcc there.[17:43:54] <rmustacc> And a 1.6.x one has gcc 4.6 there.[17:59:27] <Alasdairrr> interesting[17:59:54] <Alasdairrr> one is invoking /usr/lib/ld directly, whilst the other is invoking /usr/bin/g++ to do the linking[17:59:57] <Alasdairrr> good old libtool[18:00:05] <Alasdairrr> fucking everything up since the day it was invented[18:00:06] <rmustacc> Uh oh.[18:00:12] <rmustacc> That's always potentially dangerous.[18:00:23] <Alasdairrr> the ld direct one is bust[18:16:35] *** ins0mnia has joined #smartos[18:17:14] *** linuxprofessor has quit IRC[18:17:33] <Alasdairrr> Well this is embarassing, I have worked out whats going wrong, kinda[18:18:30] <Alasdairrr> I haven't worked out precisely whats going on, but if CXXFLAGS is set to -m32, then it all goes wrong[18:19:45] <rmustacc> Well, I'm out for a bit of the day, good luck with everything fellow IRCers.[18:19:57] <Alasdairrr> thanks rmustacc, enjoy your day too![18:22:51] <Alasdairrr> the plot thickens, with 64bit, the only way to get 64bit support is with CXXFLAGS="-m64"[18:23:19] <Alasdairrr> So if I don't pass -m64 it builds 32bit and explodes, if I pass -m64 it explodes[18:25:43] <JT-EC> Don't mess with the *FLAGS, use CC and CXX to add the -mXX[18:25:57] <Alasdairrr> i'll try that now[18:26:37] <Alasdairrr> and pass -mXX to the linker?[18:26:49] *** dho has left #smartos[18:27:13] <JT-EC> Oh, sorry, is this for pcre? I was talking GCC.[18:27:24] <Alasdairrr> that worked[18:27:33] <Alasdairrr> JT-EC: you're right[18:27:37] <Alasdairrr> yippiee![18:27:49] <Alasdairrr> so this was probably libtool's fault[18:28:41] <Alasdairrr> yeah, libtool is now linking it with g++ instead of invoking ld directly[18:37:15] *** Zigara has quit IRC[18:37:15] *** Zigara has joined #smartos[18:42:54] <Alasdairrr> oh hmm, no, the linker command lines are identical, i just can't read[18:43:09] <Alasdairrr> the difference between them is -O2 vs no -O2[18:43:18] <Alasdairrr> With -O2 it's fine, with no -O2 it's bust[18:43:20] <Alasdairrr> that's the difference[19:01:29] *** newlix has joined #smartos[19:02:40] <Alasdairrr> JT-EC: https://www.illumos.org/issues/3436#note-2[19:05:55] *** newlix has quit IRC[19:13:13] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[19:17:00] *** indutny has left #smartos[19:23:48] *** linuxprofessor has joined #smartos[19:30:49] *** linuxprofessor has quit IRC[19:45:20] *** ins0mnia has quit IRC[20:07:29] *** linuxprofessor has joined #smartos[20:20:50] *** ins0mnia has joined #smartos[20:30:52] *** zr0 has joined #smartos[20:42:07] *** jamesd has quit IRC[20:43:37] *** zr0 has quit IRC[20:52:07] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[20:52:54] *** deirdres has joined #smartos[20:53:09] <deirdres> Hey, everybody: today is the LAST DAY to take us up on your holiday gift from Joyent - two months' FREE SmartMachine! http://ow.ly/gseeX[20:55:48] *** forexample_ has joined #smartos[20:55:48] *** forexample has quit IRC[20:58:28] *** linuxprofessor has quit IRC[21:00:58] <LeftWing> What a tremendous value![21:01:11] *** rcamera has joined #smartos[21:01:57] *** Webhostbudd has joined #smartos[21:04:14] <konobi> newbies only[21:07:54] *** biant92 has quit IRC[21:21:35] <deirdres> LeftWing: smartass[21:21:45] <deirdres> even if you do look good in a suit[21:22:00] <LeftWing> It's actually just a long jacket. :P[21:22:00] <e^ipi> everyone looks good in a suit, that's why they exist[21:22:21] <e^ipi> assuming it's cut fitted well[21:23:12] <e^ipi> "&"[21:28:15] <konobi> e^ipi has his made in racing spandex[21:28:50] *** linuxprofessor has joined #smartos[21:29:01] <e^ipi> yup: http://www.primalwear.com/p-321-the-ritz-blue-cycling-jersey.aspx[21:29:30] *** linuxprofessor has quit IRC[21:30:03] <LeftWing> Haha... jesus.[21:30:41] <MerlinDMC> hehe[22:17:26] *** jim80net has quit IRC[22:39:13] *** jamesd has quit IRC[22:39:47] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[22:47:06] *** dysinger has quit IRC[22:49:53] *** dysinger has joined #smartos[22:58:24] *** kimc has joined #smartos[22:58:24] *** kimc has joined #smartos[23:07:49] *** ins0mnia has quit IRC[23:13:28] *** rcamera has quit IRC[23:35:22] *** Cpt-Oblivious has quit IRC[23:46:32] *** damacus has quit IRC[23:46:33] *** jperkin has quit IRC[23:46:34] *** wramthun3 has quit IRC[23:46:38] *** nahamu has quit IRC[23:46:41] *** deraps has quit IRC[23:46:44] *** nahamu has joined #smartos[23:46:46] *** jperkin has joined #smartos[23:46:47] *** damacus has joined #smartos[23:46:48] *** deraps has joined #smartos[23:46:54] *** wramthun3 has joined #smartos[23:49:22] *** ipalreadytaken has joined #smartos