December 4, 2012 
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December 4, 2012 [00:02:53] *** neophenix has quit IRC[00:09:22] *** wdent has joined #smartos[00:10:34] *** cncfanatics has quit IRC[00:11:56] *** daleg has quit IRC[00:27:32] *** trentster has joined #smartos[00:31:56] *** wdent has quit IRC[00:44:47] *** z0mbix has joined #smartos[00:49:32] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[00:50:30] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[00:54:46] *** rwbisson has joined #smartos[00:55:47] *** elijah-m_ has joined #smartos[00:56:51] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[00:56:54] <rwbisson> Does anybody know where the best place to start investigating why a SmartOS vm is entering the failed state, particularly after vmadm create -f <jsonfile> is executed and the operation times out?[00:57:54] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[00:59:46] *** elijah-__ has joined #smartos[01:00:47] *** elijah-m_ has quit IRC[01:02:29] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[01:02:51] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[01:06:34] *** elijah-__ has quit IRC[01:08:42] *** bixu_ has quit IRC[01:08:55] *** elijah-m_ has joined #smartos[01:09:03] *** bixu_ has joined #smartos[01:10:00] <e^ipi> the mailing list[01:10:13] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[01:10:20] <e^ipi> http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/2012/12/sort/time_rev/page/1/entry/2:35/20121203173723:EB233ABA-3D99-11E2-9737-E067F567889D/[01:10:28] <e^ipi> mostly my fault[01:10:34] <e^ipi> so, sorry...[01:11:31] *** rwbisson has left #smartos[01:13:27] *** elijah-m_ has quit IRC[01:18:14] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[01:22:00] *** riceo has joined #smartos[01:30:47] *** z0mbix has quit IRC[01:52:23] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[01:52:58] *** nikolam has quit IRC[01:55:59] *** kfr has joined #smartos[02:03:46] *** nikolam has joined #smartos[02:13:45] *** ira has quit IRC[02:21:35] *** wdent has joined #smartos[02:25:24] *** ahaydock has quit IRC[02:27:56] *** michal` has quit IRC[02:28:02] *** michal` has joined #smartos[02:28:03] *** michal` has joined #smartos[02:37:04] *** jim80net has quit IRC[02:41:34] *** wdent has quit IRC[02:44:26] <xenol> I am considering using smartos for a small project, but I need a VPN connection betweens smartos nodes. Is the preferred setup to put VPN inside the smartos zone?[02:52:13] <arekinath> you can do that... vlans are easier if you have a direct link between the nodes though...[02:53:17] *** ryancnelson has left #smartos[02:53:35] <arekinath> but doing it inside a zone is more of the smartos way[02:53:44] <arekinath> try to keep stuff out of the gz if at all possible[02:55:04] *** chriss has left #smartos[02:59:39] *** daniel_wu has left #smartos[02:59:45] *** dap has quit IRC[03:03:44] *** rc10 has joined #smartos[03:06:20] <jamesd> or you can just do ssh tunnels if you don't need actual internet traffic[03:15:45] *** darjeeling has quit IRC[03:21:59] *** dysinger has quit IRC[03:24:37] <Licenser> mooorning )[03:24:46] *** redbeard0x0a has joined #smartos[03:29:54] <redbeard0x0a> I just downloaded and wrote the smartos-20121203T193049Z-USB.img.bz2 file to my usb stick. I am booting to the grub prompt (i.e. grub> ) I also noticed that the name of the volume was 'HEADNODE'[03:49:31] *** sfritz has quit IRC[03:49:39] *** sfritz has joined #smartos[03:51:57] *** wdent has joined #smartos[03:56:44] *** wdent has quit IRC[03:57:18] *** miine__ has joined #smartos[03:59:18] *** miine_ has quit IRC[04:07:05] <jeffpc> are there any descriptions of the OS-* bugs?[04:09:00] <jeffpc> ah, found the two commits for the new release[04:27:50] *** llirkaz has joined #smartos[04:27:53] <llirkaz> hello all[04:32:42] *** jamesd has quit IRC[04:33:40] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[04:34:34] <Licenser> hi llirkaz[04:35:38] <llirkaz> how are you mate[04:36:07] <jeffpc> hrm, the latest USB image is 1.9GB :([04:36:41] <llirkaz> so.. this SmartOS .. just came across it[04:37:08] <llirkaz> after leaving the virtual overloads I've been able to dabble in what everyone else has been doing :)[04:37:32] *** viridari has quit IRC[04:49:14] *** darjeeling has joined #smartos[04:52:18] *** viridari has joined #smartos[04:52:19] *** viridari has joined #smartos[05:04:53] *** wolstena has quit IRC[05:16:04] *** darjeeli_ has joined #smartos[05:18:52] *** darjeeling has quit IRC[05:21:47] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[05:22:09] *** nikolam has quit IRC[05:22:34] *** avrntsv has joined #smartos[05:25:29] *** abhishekvasisht has joined #smartos[05:28:03] *** jdefelice1 has quit IRC[05:30:51] <konobi> jeffpc: it usually is that size uncompressed[05:31:00] <jeffpc> right[05:31:13] <jeffpc> my USB drive that I use is about 9MB too small :([05:31:25] <konobi> doh[05:31:37] <konobi> a lot of it is empty space[05:31:56] <konobi> so you should be able to reduce the size of the partitions[05:32:01] *** miine__ has quit IRC[05:33:08] <jeffpc> good point[05:34:44] <konobi> or get a bigger usb stick =0)[05:34:49] *** rc10 has quit IRC[05:43:28] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[06:19:13] *** rc10 has joined #smartos[06:19:17] *** jdefelice has joined #smartos[06:30:21] *** Niamkik has quit IRC[06:31:26] *** Niamkik has joined #smartos[06:52:07] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[07:11:24] *** kschiess has joined #smartos[07:11:30] *** redbeard0x0a has quit IRC[07:17:20] <arekinath> is there a list somewhere of all the variables that can be used in a zone image, like @PRIVATE_IP@ and so on? where are they substituted?[07:18:01] <konobi> arekinath: zoneinit-wise?[07:18:08] <arekinath> konobi: yeah[07:19:08] <konobi> arekinath: only whatever is listed in the zoneinit file[07:19:27] <arekinath> you mean in the .sh scripts in /var/zoneinit in the image?[07:19:35] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[07:19:36] <konobi> however, you can use mdata-get to pull information from any supplied meta-data you've supplied[07:19:36] <arekinath> where does sm-prepare-image take those from?[07:20:04] <konobi> arekinath: tbh, i'm not sure... it may have changed since i last looked[07:23:39] *** jamesd has quit IRC[07:37:54] *** ganbold has joined #smartos[07:59:29] *** bixu has quit IRC[08:04:17] *** darjeeli_ has quit IRC[08:07:38] <Licenser> llirkaz hah sorry for the slow response am fine :) thanks for asking! You'll enjoy SmartOS, it's a true blast[08:18:59] *** alucardX has joined #smartos[08:19:21] *** marsell has quit IRC[08:24:45] *** avrntsv has quit IRC[08:27:59] *** scanf has quit IRC[08:34:10] <alucardX> morning[08:34:55] <konobi> lo[08:37:57] *** scanf has joined #smartos[08:39:51] *** LucidDreamZzZ has quit IRC[08:43:46] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[08:43:48] <MerlinDMC> morning[08:44:05] <Licenser> interesting: if I run more then two SmartOS VM's the system load goes to 100% o.O anyone else experienced that?[08:44:48] <MerlinDMC> smartos inside vmware or just two kvm things on a smartos host?[08:45:09] <Licenser> no OS X host, two VM's running SmartOS on it[08:46:19] <MerlinDMC> that would depend on the software used i guess ... i normally have 2 - 4 VMs running during work ... but not SmartOS inside them[08:46:30] <Licenser> *nods*[08:47:25] <konobi> Licenser: the most recent one?[08:47:45] <Licenser> nope 20120906T221231Z[08:47:47] <konobi> smartos release that is[08:47:53] <Licenser> but it only seems to be a specific VM[08:48:02] <Licenser> very strange most likely an VMWare ickyness[08:58:56] *** avrntsv has joined #smartos[09:03:44] *** Sachiru has joined #smartos[09:07:52] *** mamash has joined #smartos[09:09:56] *** bixu has joined #smartos[09:14:19] *** bixu has quit IRC[09:14:40] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[09:22:42] *** texarcana has quit IRC[09:23:40] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[09:23:54] *** texarcana has joined #smartos[09:25:12] *** defa has joined #smartos[09:25:38] *** riceo has quit IRC[09:53:49] *** avrntsv has quit IRC[09:56:22] *** avrntsv has joined #smartos[09:57:55] *** darjeeling has joined #smartos[09:59:27] <calmh> is there a joshwilsdon here?[10:14:59] *** avrntsv has quit IRC[10:15:42] <MerlinDMC> calmh, if then maybe later ... it's somewhere arount night over there[10:16:04] <abhishekvasisht> Hi all.[10:16:44] <abhishekvasisht> I am looking for any nagios plugin to monitor network I/O[10:17:07] <abhishekvasisht> or command to montior networkk i/o[10:18:08] <calmh> MerlinDMC: right, yeah[10:18:29] <abhishekvasisht> any idea , pointers?[10:19:00] <MerlinDMC> abhishekvasisht, kstat[10:19:20] <MerlinDMC> gives you at least some numbers to play with[10:31:38] <abhishekvasisht> sure.[10:31:41] <abhishekvasisht> let me check.[10:31:50] <abhishekvasisht> any handy nagios plugin by any chance[11:01:13] *** avrntsv has joined #smartos[11:03:29] <konobi> Hendrik Volkmer... here?[11:07:23] *** ganbold has quit IRC[11:18:03] *** ganbold has joined #smartos[11:18:05] *** riceo has joined #smartos[11:33:45] <konobi> Alasdairrr++[11:47:07] <Alasdairrr> \o/[11:48:17] <jperkin> that thread needs to die now[11:51:24] <MerlinDMC> i just don't get the point in that thread[11:51:40] <Alasdairrr> I get the point completely[11:51:51] <Alasdairrr> Some people want to attach SmartOS to their centralised storage[11:52:15] <Alasdairrr> They think "SmartOS would be perfect if only it did this"[11:52:28] <Alasdairrr> Having completely missed the point about it's heritage[11:53:03] <MerlinDMC> it seems to be nonsense to discuss ... you can create a zpool on iscsi devices and use them ... or not? also you can share storage via nfs[11:53:30] <MerlinDMC> local storage is a plus (for me) replication would be nice - but hey i have zfs send/recv[11:54:07] <jperkin> MerlinDMC: right, it might possibly work, as keith said we don't actively go out to remove stuff which is already there, but we aren't going to do any work to the tooling to support that.[11:54:55] <MerlinDMC> jperkin, yep ... but those parts are open right? ... so they should just go and fork[11:55:06] <MerlinDMC> SmarterOS![11:55:10] <jperkin> that was exactly my point :)[11:55:41] <MerlinDMC> i hate it to scroll my mails every morning ;)[11:56:26] <Alasdairrr> Use threaded view mode and collapse the thread[11:56:52] <jperkin> ^D[11:57:05] <MerlinDMC> yeah ... but there is a red dot on the iphone that sux ^^[11:57:07] <Alasdairrr> Update your killfile ;-P[11:58:50] <MerlinDMC> and it rings every night - timezone differences - i love them :P[12:02:46] <MerlinDMC> another thing ... i just can't get that as well ... https://gist.github.com/1f7851fc9589e6bc9025 ... why swap usage after a reboot with no load anywhere[12:08:33] <calmh> isn't swap always allocated (though not _used_) for vm in solaris? istr that being something that's always differed from for example linux and *bsd[12:09:11] <calmh> s/allocated/reserved/ perhaps[12:28:45] *** Sachiru has quit IRC[12:42:11] *** bens1 has quit IRC[12:46:30] *** abhishekvasisht has quit IRC[12:47:37] *** abhishekvasisht has joined #smartos[12:48:03] *** abhishekvasisht has quit IRC[13:06:11] *** wdent has joined #smartos[13:29:21] *** darjeeling has quit IRC[13:31:33] <Alasdairrr> swap is a total misleading term[13:31:46] <Alasdairrr> it's the virtual memory allocation[13:33:54] *** ira has joined #smartos[13:34:18] <Alasdairrr> They should so a global s/SWAP/VSZ/ across all the tools[13:40:15] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[13:48:52] *** szaydel has quit IRC[13:51:40] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[13:55:19] *** alucardX has quit IRC[14:05:01] *** wdent has quit IRC[14:10:10] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[14:11:17] *** kfr has quit IRC[14:16:32] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[14:18:02] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #smartos[14:21:53] *** avrntsv has quit IRC[14:22:57] *** wdent has joined #smartos[14:27:38] *** wdent has quit IRC[14:28:11] *** darjeeling has joined #smartos[14:34:27] *** wdent has joined #smartos[14:35:00] *** wdent has quit IRC[14:51:23] *** ahaydock has joined #smartos[15:03:46] *** wdent has joined #smartos[15:04:25] *** Vod has joined #smartos[15:12:41] *** rc10 has quit IRC[15:14:34] *** rc10 has joined #smartos[15:19:34] *** mamash has left #smartos[15:20:14] *** mamash has joined #smartos[15:20:45] *** rc10 has quit IRC[15:22:59] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[15:42:06] *** mamash has left #smartos[15:47:56] *** CarlosC has joined #smartos[15:53:31] *** wdent has quit IRC[15:54:51] *** riceo has quit IRC[15:58:45] *** neophenix has joined #smartos[16:00:30] *** toebu has joined #smartos[16:05:01] *** wdent has joined #smartos[16:05:37] <toebu> I have a pool with faulted log drives ... how can I import it all the same ?[16:10:05] <defa> any ideas why "./configure --help" would produce "cat: -: Bad file number\ncat: closing standard input: Bad file number"? Did work yesterday…?[16:13:23] *** wdent has quit IRC[16:28:37] <CarlosC> Guys...fwadm looks very, very cool....is there any example usages of it (besides looking at fw/lib/fwadm.js and other files)?[16:32:08] *** wdent has joined #smartos[16:34:01] <Licenser> CarlosC what is fwadm?[16:34:34] *** daleg has joined #smartos[16:34:38] <CarlosC> firewall administration (from the GZ)[16:34:48] <CarlosC> it was recently pushed in smartos-live[16:36:10] <toebu> I figured that I could import the pool using zpool import -fF zones ... that then let me remove the bad log devices ...[16:36:35] *** kamilr has joined #smartos[16:36:41] <kamilr> Hi[16:36:49] <toebu> now I rebootet again ... and now it is even worse, zpool import tells me that the whole pool is now corrupt, all disks of a raidz-2 configuration ...[16:36:54] <kamilr> is there any way to mount NFS share in VM via global zone >[16:36:56] <kamilr> ?[16:38:49] *** Spaeny has quit IRC[16:39:11] <MerlinDMC> CarlosC, isn't there a man page?[16:39:23] <CarlosC> I didn't find one[16:39:23] <jperkin> kamilr: no, but you can mount a file system using lofs inside a VM[16:39:56] <MerlinDMC> jperkin, shouldn't filesystems: {} also allow nfs as type?[16:39:57] <kamilr> but LOFS is availble only in OS not KVM, i'm i right ?[16:41:29] <kamilr> MetlinDMC[16:41:30] <jperkin> MerlinDMC: if it was supported it would, I guess :)[16:41:32] <kamilr> no[16:41:59] <MerlinDMC> jperkin, k ... i'll stop talking ... alos need to catch a train[16:42:11] <Licenser> MerlinDMC https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/tree/master/src/fw[16:44:00] <kamilr> so there is no way to mount nfs share on windows via global zone ?[16:45:31] <ira> jperkin: Is there a way to mirror Joyent's pkgsrc binary package tree?[16:45:40] *** riceo has joined #smartos[16:46:30] <jperkin> kamilr: there's no way to share nfs from the GZ, at least, aiui - you can of course mount NFS in windows from a different source..[16:47:05] <jperkin> ira: only via http at this time[16:47:21] <ira> Know a good tool to use to do it? ;)[16:47:25] <kamilr> jerkin: can mount it as lokal drive ?[16:47:28] <jperkin> wget -r? :)[16:48:01] <ira> Rough space requirements?[16:48:12] <jperkin> if there's sufficient demands we could set up an anon rsync server or something[16:48:27] *** riceo has quit IRC[16:48:35] <ira> I need to just mirror it internal. rsync is always nice. But I'll take what I can get ;)[16:48:38] *** riceo has joined #smartos[16:48:51] <jperkin> which directory specifically?[16:49:25] *** rc10 has joined #smartos[16:50:47] <ira> 2011Q4, the one used for build zones. And likely 2012Q2 for now.[16:50:54] <jperkin> kamilr: if you just want additional space in your VM from the GZ, look for the disks.* section of vmadm[16:51:32] <jperkin> 4.8G 2011Q4[16:51:33] <jperkin> 5.1G 2012Q2[16:51:49] <jperkin> that's i386 + x86_64 for both though, so if you don't need both you can cut it in ~half[16:51:50] <ira> Ok, that's no concern. ;)[16:59:44] *** kamilr has quit IRC[17:01:32] *** mikl has quit IRC[17:12:22] *** tdowg1 has quit IRC[17:14:40] *** kfr_ has joined #smartos[17:14:47] <kfr_> whois kfr[17:16:51] <toebu> after a reboot, all disks of my zones pool have gone UNAVAIL "corrupted data" when I try to import, the system refuses ... even with -F ...[17:17:32] <toebu> and when I import with -fFV then the system crashes and reboots[17:23:05] *** tdowg1 has joined #smartos[17:25:19] *** mamash has joined #smartos[17:25:56] <toebu> now running zdb -e -c zones ... that seems to be running happily ...[17:27:17] *** tdowg1 has quit IRC[17:29:55] *** riceo has quit IRC[17:31:02] *** riceo has joined #smartos[17:39:25] *** tdowg1 has joined #smartos[17:40:00] *** neophenix has quit IRC[17:44:18] *** mamash has left #smartos[17:46:52] *** cncfanatics has joined #smartos[17:55:56] <KermitTheFragger> hi all, im new to SmartOS; Quick question: What is my best bet of getting Java 7 in a zone/smartmachine?[17:56:17] <KermitTheFragger> compile OpenJDK 7 myself? Grab the Solaris Sun JRE?[17:56:24] *** rc10 has quit IRC[17:57:08] <rmustacc> I doubt compiling openjdk would end well. I guess I would start by grabbing the solaris sun jre. It might not be without problems, but that's probably the best starting point.[17:58:25] <KermitTheFragger> ok ill give that a shot, thanks[18:06:23] *** dap has joined #smartos[18:16:53] *** abhishekvasisht has joined #smartos[18:25:51] *** fsteinelX has joined #smartos[18:40:18] *** e^ipi_laptop has joined #smartos[18:43:05] *** fsteinelX is now known as fsteinel[18:44:30] *** tdowg1 has quit IRC[18:49:46] *** taspts has joined #smartos[18:50:23] <taspts> hi[18:51:42] <taspts> Regarding smartos-discuss grub ipxe.lkrn chain to webserver, here I'm[18:53:22] <jperkin> paging konobi ..[19:03:06] <KermitTheFragger> stupid question perhaps; Is it possible to use OpenIndiana as a SmartOS zone/smartmachine (so not KVM)?[19:03:29] <KermitTheFragger> java 7 in the 'base64' is giving me a bit of a headache so im exploring possibilities...[19:03:54] <jesse_> KermitTheFragger, what kind of headache?[19:04:17] <LeftWing> There are some incredibly experimental bits that can create an 'ipkg' brand zone dataset... but you probably want to just get base-1.8.* working.[19:04:23] <jperkin> it's theoretically possible I guess, but not practically right now.[19:05:36] <KermitTheFragger> LeftWing: whats with base 1.8.X and Java?[19:05:54] *** kfr_ has quit IRC[19:06:24] <LeftWing> I don't think I understand the question... can you be more specific?[19:06:26] <KermitTheFragger> jesse_: i've tried using the Sun Solaris JRE and compiling OpenJDK and im both having some issues, so I thought i'd explore some other avenues before troubleshooting that[19:07:00] <LeftWing> I would be more inclined to troubleshoot the Sun JDK first.[19:07:05] <jesse_> oracle jvm starts for me[19:07:16] <jesse_> I haven't had time to test more[19:07:17] <taspts> paging konobi ..[19:07:23] <KermitTheFragger> jesse_: since i did manage to compile OpenJDK on OpenIndiana for IPS I thought; why not just openindiana as a zone[19:07:28] <jesse_> so I'm really interested what kind of problems[19:07:53] *** bens1 has quit IRC[19:08:09] <KermitTheFragger> jesse_: not in the technical sense of not working; Im not really familiar yet with working with pkgsrc so im still trying to get it packaged right[19:09:13] <LeftWing> KermitTheFragger: Have you seen this... http://www.perkin.org.uk/posts/creating-local-smartos-packages.html[19:11:45] <KermitTheFragger> LeftWing: yeah I based my (somewhat) working package on that :)[19:11:53] <LeftWing> cool[19:13:08] *** enmand has quit IRC[19:14:15] <KermitTheFragger> not saying there is anything wrong with pkgsrc but I liked the way IPS worked so hence my question[19:15:03] <rmustacc> KermitTheFragger: Not really unless you want to bootstrap the entire ips world. Which means making your own copies of all the packages which don't exist and the fact that the sparse model is going to cause even more headaches with ips packages.[19:17:26] *** riceo has quit IRC[19:18:29] <KermitTheFragger> rmustacc: I don't think I like IPS that much to attempt such a feat :)[19:23:03] *** Vod has quit IRC[19:24:50] *** josephholsten has joined #smartos[19:30:36] <MerlinDMC> jperkin, rsync access for pkgsrc repositories would be nice ... there were some people asking for a mirror or a possibility to mirror that - and i guess updating the mirror via rsync would be a lot nicer than wget -r ;)[19:32:04] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:40:13] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[19:43:22] *** jamesd has quit IRC[19:44:19] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[19:45:48] *** jamesd has quit IRC[19:47:15] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[19:57:57] *** izaki_ has joined #smartos[19:58:58] *** enmand has joined #smartos[20:07:44] *** defa has quit IRC[20:08:13] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[20:15:09] *** szaydel has quit IRC[20:18:11] *** wolstena has joined #smartos[20:18:14] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[20:18:43] *** defa has joined #smartos[20:19:10] <taspts> paging konobi ..[20:19:29] <benbangert> does ZFS disable hard drive write caches?[20:19:58] <benbangert> was looking at using an SSD for ZIL, and I noticed its recommended to use an SSD that has power loss protection so that it actually finishes writing data that was sync'd but still in the SSD buffers[20:20:53] <benbangert> however, my platter hard drives have large caches and may return from an fsync even though the platter hasn't finished writing... thus having the same issue as the SSD without a capacitor[20:21:10] *** defa has quit IRC[20:21:11] <benbangert> so I'm curious why its ok for ZFS to deal with platter drives like that, but not SSD's for a ZIL[20:21:11] <rmustacc> ZFS does not disable hard drive write caches. It explicitly issues scsi cache flush commands.[20:21:28] <rmustacc> The problem is that some drives lie about that.[20:21:33] <benbangert> ahhhh[20:21:36] <rmustacc> Particularly ssds that aren't power safe.[20:21:58] <rmustacc> So as part of an fsync it issues a scsi cache flush.[20:22:07] <benbangert> yea, was looking to add 2 SSD's for a ZIL, and so far the most price reasonable choice is the Intel 320[20:22:11] *** neophenix has joined #smartos[20:23:32] <rmustacc> I don't recall if that one was power safe or not.[20:23:39] <ira> Silly question: For a build of SmartOS the git versions of the subcomponents aren't recorded somewhere, are they?[20:24:10] <aszeszo> ira: /etc/release[20:24:15] <benbangert> rmustacc: Intel put out a huge brochure about its power safety, so I'd assume so[20:24:25] <benbangert> ie, http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/ssd-320-series-power-loss-data-protection-brief.html[20:24:39] <rmustacc> Okay then.[20:24:53] <rmustacc> I just know a lot of their line is explicitly not.[20:25:06] <benbangert> yea, also found this helpful thread going over which SSD's by which vendors are power safe, http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?278816-SSD-s-cache-and-power-loss-protection[20:25:07] <rmustacc> And the amount that's not appears to be increasing.[20:25:10] <benbangert> yea[20:25:17] <ira> aszeszo: No mention of the kvm repos?[20:26:10] <ira> I don't think they changed much in the time frame I'm worried about… so I'm ok. But thanks. That makes life much easier.[20:33:06] <taspts> Does Intel 330 has power protection ?[20:35:33] *** ira has quit IRC[20:40:12] <benbangert> taspts: nope, just 320, and I think one of the 7 series[20:40:18] <benbangert> or maybe the 5 series[20:41:46] *** wdent has quit IRC[20:54:26] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[20:55:37] *** wolstena has quit IRC[20:56:06] *** szaydel has quit IRC[20:56:27] *** ryancnelson has left #smartos[20:57:33] *** wolstena has joined #smartos[20:59:09] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[21:03:12] *** ryancnelson has left #smartos[21:03:19] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[21:03:53] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[21:07:54] *** dysinger has joined #smartos[21:08:15] *** chriss- has joined #smartos[21:09:34] <chriss-> so I got what info I could from the omnios vs smartos bnx driver[21:09:48] *** ryancnelson has left #smartos[21:11:19] <CarlosC> chriss-: they are not the same?[21:12:10] <chriss-> ok so i find a pkg for the driver on smartos, and i find a kernel module on smartos[21:12:28] <chriss-> 170 fffffffff7f50000 64ca8 29 1 bnx (Broadcom NXII GbE 6.0.3)[21:12:36] <chriss-> VERSION: 11.11,REV=2009.11.11[21:12:46] <chriss-> the best I've found so far to compare[21:12:56] <chriss-> top smartos, bottom omnios[21:13:32] <chriss-> have some fundamental structure differences between the two os[21:13:45] <CarlosC> I think it's the same, closed source driver[21:14:16] <chriss-> sure doesnt work the same though[21:14:20] <CarlosC> just one delivered via IPS and the other as part of th ram disk[21:14:22] <chriss-> for whatever reason[21:14:33] <CarlosC> that's a matter of the shitty broadcom NIC[21:14:54] <chriss-> so yeah i can put an intel nic in[21:14:55] <CarlosC> $12 buys you a nice Intel based one[21:15:10] <chriss-> what I also have is this thing twice has rebooted out of the blue[21:15:28] <chriss-> and the intel page says this doesnt do EPT while if you ask the cpu it says it does[21:15:30] <CarlosC> I've fought this losing battle in our datacenter...just moved everything to Intel and moved on[21:15:32] *** ocherno has joined #smartos[21:15:57] <chriss-> and kvm zones come up and run, but often end up in a "stopping" state which once went over a weekend before i killed them with zoneadm[21:16:11] <chriss-> so i'm still wondering if i'm fighting a losing battle[21:16:18] <CarlosC> which CPU model is it?[21:16:39] <chriss-> X5690[21:18:24] <chriss-> so it was what i had to experiment with[21:18:24] <chriss-> problem is the stuff I'd like to move into this, are the same box, and I have 8 of them[21:18:25] <chriss-> so it was potentially a nice fleet[21:18:25] <chriss-> i dont know that i can abandon them for new hardware though[21:18:49] *** ira has joined #smartos[21:19:10] <yofuh> chriss-: you can always mondinfo |grep bnx or even stings /kernel/drv/amd64/bnx |grep Broadcom if it is not loaded[21:19:22] <yofuh> strings[21:19:51] *** bens1 has quit IRC[21:20:23] <chriss-> ah that did it[21:20:56] <chriss-> smartos: Broadcom NXII GbE 6.0.3 omni is Broadcom NXII GbE 6.0.1[21:21:21] <yofuh> you see, it's a great candidate for a downgrade[21:22:01] <CarlosC> chriss-: you turned out c-states and all of that defined in: http://wiki.joyent.com/wiki/display/sdc/Setting+Up+a+New+Compute+Node[21:22:22] <chriss-> yeah, but I'll double check[21:22:35] *** fsteinel has quit IRC[21:22:53] <chriss-> i've left a few things behind in svn lately i swore i checked in, so double checking that wouldnt hurt[21:23:15] <chriss-> "yeah i did that" is up for discussion lately[21:23:24] <chriss-> ok so how would that get downgraded?[21:24:21] <chriss-> this is "solaris" but its not...[21:24:25] <chriss-> kinda weird[21:24:58] <yofuh> the quock waq is to mount the smartos image (lofiadm -a /path/to/image ** mount /dev/lofi...) and cupy the driver /kernel/drv/amd64/bnx over[21:25:14] <yofuh> quick way...[21:25:15] *** kfr- has joined #smartos[21:25:20] <yofuh> i need weekend[21:25:43] <yofuh> to bad i've to wait till tomorow for that[21:26:56] <chriss-> let me retrieve the usb key and do some fiddling[21:33:14] *** kschiess has quit IRC[21:34:19] *** neophenix has quit IRC[21:36:39] *** szaydel has quit IRC[21:37:05] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[21:38:00] *** jamesd has quit IRC[21:42:41] <kfr-> zfs day video's were great[21:42:45] <kfr-> thanks for posting![21:48:52] <chriss-> ok so i have the usb .img[21:49:56] <chriss-> is the boot_archive in there the meat of it?[21:54:50] <richlowe> Yes[21:55:35] <chriss-> guess i cant mount that in osx[21:58:09] <yofuh> don't know, but for sure you can mount it if you boot from it[21:58:34] <yofuh> also linux can mount it with some special mount options to tell it which ufs version to use[21:58:59] <taspts> paging konobi ..[22:01:05] <chriss-> i can see if i can get the network to work enough that if i can boot from it i can talk to it again, should have left it set i guess[22:01:16] <chriss-> serial console worked at one time, doesnt at the moment[22:02:18] *** szaydel has quit IRC[22:02:20] <chriss-> i need the network to work one way or another if i boot from it else its an island even if i have serial[22:02:49] <chriss-> "mess" :)[22:02:59] <yofuh> it could be the most secure system in yout network[22:03:07] <chriss-> certainly[22:03:14] <chriss-> as its off right now :)[22:13:20] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[22:28:43] *** neophenix has joined #smartos[22:30:08] *** marsell has joined #smartos[22:34:39] <benbangert> rmustacc: that new Intel DC S3700 looks majorly appealing for use as ZIL....[22:34:43] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[22:34:46] <benbangert> can't wait for that sucker to come out[22:35:50] <rmustacc> The 100 gb form is probably all you need.[22:35:57] <benbangert> yea[22:36:16] <benbangert> I only have a half dozen VM's running most of the time[22:37:59] <rmustacc> Oh, I wouldn't think you probably need that even with more VMs.[22:38:10] <benbangert> yea[22:38:17] <benbangert> thats the smallest though, so it'll do[22:39:48] <rmustacc> Yup, that's why I picked it[22:40:37] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[22:40:57] <benbangert> rmustacc: you got one of the prior generation?[22:41:19] <benbangert> the S3700 isn't out yet afaik[22:43:45] <rmustacc> I just meant that's why I picked that size.[22:43:51] <rmustacc> When I looked at the options.[22:43:52] <benbangert> ah, yea[22:49:59] *** gkyildirim has joined #smartos[22:50:21] *** gkyildirim has quit IRC[22:53:39] *** szaydel has quit IRC[22:54:07] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[22:54:14] <chriss-> so i can give my usb drive to omnios in vbox on osx and mount the drive, then the boot_archive...[22:55:45] <yofuh> sure[22:56:07] <chriss-> layers[22:56:27] <yofuh> you could run osx on parallels[22:59:42] <chriss-> i got so far as to have smartos in vbox on osx with kvm running fbsd, before the wheels fell off the network[22:59:52] <chriss-> thought "ok lets just get some real hardware"[23:02:06] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[23:03:18] *** izaki_ has quit IRC[23:09:31] *** ryancnelson has quit IRC[23:10:19] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[23:10:37] <chriss-> welp its up on the new driver[23:13:31] <chriss-> nope, same[23:14:39] *** CarlosC has quit IRC[23:14:44] <yofuh> is the driver attached to the device?[23:16:27] <rmustacc> What driver is giving you problems?[23:16:35] <chriss-> yup[23:16:36] <chriss-> bnx[23:17:20] <ryancnelson> but not *our* bnx, right? you dragged something over from omnios?[23:17:34] <rmustacc> They aren't that different.[23:17:38] <rmustacc> It's a closed binary driver.[23:17:46] <rmustacc> It sucks and it's painful to use.[23:17:47] <rmustacc> We can't fix it.[23:17:50] <chriss-> neither works right[23:17:55] <chriss-> in smartos[23:18:00] <chriss-> omnios works right[23:18:04] <chriss-> *shrug*[23:18:20] <rmustacc> Hmm, that's a bit more surprising.[23:18:35] <chriss-> thats the only reason i'm still beating the dead horse[23:19:19] <chriss-> and that i dont have another nic to throw in yet[23:19:44] <chriss-> have some that say sun on them i could try i guess[23:19:55] <rmustacc> What exactly is the failure mode?[23:20:13] <chriss-> i thnk[23:20:32] <chriss-> well... plug in to nic1 and it makes it bnx2[23:20:46] <chriss-> plug in 2nd nic, any of them, doesnt register[23:20:50] <chriss-> dladm etc show nada[23:21:03] <chriss-> lights blink as they should on the nic port physically[23:21:20] <chriss-> boot omnios, its bnx0, can plug in other ports, all happy[23:21:51] <rmustacc> So you're saying that you boot the machine, have no copper plugged in, run dladm show-phys, plug in a piece of copper, run dladm show-phys and the mac address that previously corresponded to bnxXXX is now bnx2?[23:22:27] <chriss-> i havent booted with no copper at all i guess[23:22:39] <chriss-> i've booted with nic1 and nic2, nic2 will never work[23:22:40] <chriss-> ever[23:22:49] <chriss-> nic1 i've seen as bnx2 usually[23:22:55] <chriss-> has been bnx0 a couple times[23:22:57] <rmustacc> So dladm show-ether reports that it has no connection?[23:23:02] <chriss-> right[23:23:06] <rmustacc> Sure, ignore the naming and just focus on mac addresses.[23:23:32] <chriss-> just more inconsistent stuff[23:23:35] <rmustacc> We do nothing to keep the naming consistent across boot.[23:23:53] <rmustacc> It's ordered based on the order of probing PCI config space.[23:23:59] <chriss-> but it changes which seems odd[23:24:03] <rmustacc> Sometimes devices enumerate in different orders.[23:24:10] <chriss-> didnt know that[23:24:14] <rmustacc> If it changes once the machine is up, that's a problem.[23:24:22] <chriss-> no havent seen that[23:24:29] <rmustacc> What you have in omnios is a file which helps maintain that mapping so its consistent across boots.[23:24:41] <rmustacc> Because we're a live image there is no guarantee of consistency.[23:25:26] <chriss-> this box has had fbsd and linux on it, no problems, then this, they tried omnios and it seems to work as expected[23:25:33] <chriss-> s/they/then/[23:25:35] <ira> Which is why configuration is by mac… that makes sense now ;)[23:25:56] <chriss-> yeah it does[23:26:12] <rmustacc> So ignoring the renaming part of it the problem is that it appears that after you plug in multiple links.[23:26:19] <rmustacc> You plumb up the devices and mark them as up.[23:26:28] <rmustacc> And then dladm show-ether or show-phys doesn't think they are connected.[23:26:33] <rmustacc> Or you haven't negotiated.[23:27:29] <rmustacc> Is that a correct assesment of the current situation?[23:27:52] <chriss-> if i plumb them all[23:28:00] *** jasonpincin has quit IRC[23:28:01] <chriss-> none but the one will ever show running[23:28:08] <chriss-> none will ever shot link in dladm etc[23:28:11] <chriss-> show[23:28:53] <chriss-> unless i boot omnios[23:29:52] *** jasonpincin has joined #smartos[23:30:07] <rmustacc> Hmm.[23:30:35] <chriss-> indeed[23:31:36] <wesolows> and there are no log messages that are helpful? like, it tries to attach bnx0 and bombs out, tries to attach bnx1 and bombs out, etc.? because whatever's causing that to fail could easily be what's preventing the use of other devices as well[23:34:03] *** enmand has quit IRC[23:37:35] <chriss-> nope[23:37:56] *** jdefelice has quit IRC[23:42:08] *** enmand has joined #smartos[23:49:02] *** cncfanatics has quit IRC[23:49:32] <chriss-> i get grub over serial, then i lose serial[23:49:56] *** enmand has quit IRC[23:50:03] <chriss-> then i get some ACPI syslog looking messages[23:50:08] <chriss-> but its dead to me[23:50:45] <chriss-> at one point we had the login over serial but havent seemed to have that work lately[23:50:48] <chriss-> telling ya[23:59:33] <chriss-> welp, whatever.[23:59:36] <chriss-> thanks guys