December 2, 2012 
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December 2, 2012 [00:00:56] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[00:03:08] *** wesolows has quit IRC[00:07:11] *** nikolam has joined #smartos[00:21:25] *** wesolows has joined #smartos[00:42:26] *** pstoll is now known as pstoll|away[00:43:26] *** chg has left #smartos[00:54:03] *** tonyarkles has joined #smartos[01:03:28] *** szaydel has quit IRC[01:17:47] *** Saskaloon has quit IRC[01:25:54] <konobi> notmatt: afternoon[01:40:10] *** cncfanatics has quit IRC[01:46:37] <konobi> LeftWing: iirc destroy_zpools doesn't work anymore[01:46:52] <LeftWing> oh really?[01:48:12] <LeftWing> It certainly seems to be in the fs-joyent method script.[01:51:53] *** dap has quit IRC[01:54:12] *** mikl has joined #smartos[01:55:04] <mikl> I've maintained Linux and FreeBSD boxes for several years, and I've been wanting to try out SmartOS as a host for my virtual machines[01:55:51] <mikl> is it realistic for someone without a lot of Solaris-specific skills?[01:55:58] <Licenser> mikl yap[01:56:48] <mikl> what would you recommend? USB or DVD? My server has both[02:00:52] <Licenser> totally USB, its easyer to upgrade and all[02:01:45] <Licenser> also have a look at this: http://wiki.smartos.org/display/DOC/The+Linux-to-SmartOS+Cheat+Sheet[02:01:48] <Licenser> it covers the basics[02:24:21] *** wdent has joined #smartos[02:24:32] *** z0mbix has quit IRC[02:25:24] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[02:29:50] <mikl> thanks Licenser :)[02:30:04] <Licenser> you're more then welcome mate[02:36:35] *** dap has joined #smartos[02:36:54] *** wdent has quit IRC[02:37:23] *** wdent has joined #smartos[02:42:09] *** wdent has quit IRC[03:12:56] *** szaydel has quit IRC[03:18:50] *** notmatt has quit IRC[03:19:30] <nikolam> just a quick check, someone asked me about zfs throttling. Is Zfs throttling implemented in Illumos as well in zone administration tools and where else?[03:20:20] <nikolam> Asking to figure out is solution transferable to vanilla Solarises that have zones. (Just as info).[03:48:20] *** wdent has joined #smartos[03:52:38] *** wdent has quit IRC[04:00:08] <LeftWing> The ZFS I/O throttling stuff we have in SmartOS has not yet been pushed back upstream to illumos.[04:12:37] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[04:12:37] *** Saskaloon has joined #smartos[04:17:46] *** notmatt has joined #smartos[04:22:13] *** notmatt has quit IRC[04:24:43] *** chg has joined #smartos[04:48:05] *** szaydel has quit IRC[05:14:48] <nikolam> LeftWing, so it is not eather in openindiana. or it is. might ask OI.[05:15:24] <LeftWing> Well, it's in our source repository. There's nothing to stop other distros from pulling it directly from there.[05:15:30] <LeftWing> But yes, you'd have to check with the distros themselves.[05:15:32] <nikolam> so distributions need to pull it from smartos os/net to get it[05:16:04] <LeftWing> I mean, I don't really see any reason that it won't eventually be in illumos-gate -- it's just a function of time and resources, really.[05:16:27] <mikl> is it possible to mount ext4 partitions in SmartOS?[05:16:39] <mikl> I'm trying to convert a real server to a virtual one :)[05:16:39] <nikolam> since I was just writing to zfs mailing list and probably said wrong they probably have it, did not know it is not in illumos main[05:17:22] <nikolam> mikl, well install linux in KVM or vbox and mount it from there.[05:17:36] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[05:18:03] <mikl> nikolam: do I need to do something special to make those volumes available to the Linux OS?[05:18:03] <LeftWing> mikl: There aren't any particularly great answers in there -- I would dd the disk onto a zvol, I guess, and mount it in a Linux VM.[05:18:07] <nikolam> ext2/3 could be mounted before in opensolaris, using FUSE (read only mostly)[05:18:36] <nikolam> mikl, I think vbox has it explained in their manual, how to give machine raw disk access.[05:18:46] <nikolam> virtual machine.[05:18:47] <mikl> ok, thanks :)[05:34:09] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC[05:41:08] *** szaydel has quit IRC[06:00:26] <mikl> VM "ram" value: 4096 is greater than available memory: 781 << isn't the memory setting the number of megabytes?[06:00:59] <mikl> (my server has 8GB, so setting aside 4GB for the virtual machine ought to work, right?)[06:02:34] <arekinath> mikl: have a look at the output of "echo ::memstat | mdb -k"[06:03:44] <mikl> arekinath: seems ZFS is using the most of it for disk buffer cache? http://dpaste.de/7OuFr/[06:04:25] <mikl> or am I misreading this?[06:05:53] <arekinath> hmm... the arc will move out of the way when you want to allocate memory -- it's all cache[06:06:19] <arekinath> it should be able to shrink down to about 12% of ram, or ~970mb for you[06:07:15] <arekinath> it will have some trouble getting a contiguous block of ram back though that's 4gb big[06:07:57] <arekinath> the lock/relock bit when qemu starts up should handle it ok though I would have thought for that size... weird[06:11:45] *** nikolam has quit IRC[06:11:53] <arekinath> it may be a terrible idea, but you could set the max ARC size to 2gb or something[06:12:18] <arekinath> I'm not sure that setting the max below the current size on a running system will work though, never done it before[06:13:54] <arekinath> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Dynamic_change_via_mdb[06:13:57] <arekinath> ^ may eat your cat[06:19:12] *** notmatt has joined #smartos[06:23:53] *** notmatt has quit IRC[06:32:19] <mikl> c[06:32:23] <mikl> scary stuff[07:05:22] <mikl> but hey, it works[07:05:59] <mikl> now, I just need to figure out how to mount my old hard drive inside the virtual machine…[07:09:25] *** z has quit IRC[07:16:36] *** robins has quit IRC[07:45:05] <mikl> ok, it would seem that getting data off a physical disk and into a virtual machine is exceedingly difficult :/[07:47:58] <Licenser> mikl just very slow[07:48:20] <Licenser> http://wiki.smartos.org/display/DOC/Migrating+from+ESXi+4.x <- holds a lot info you'll need too[07:49:05] <mikl> hmm, are we seeing the same page?[07:49:21] <mikl> ah, JavaScript required[07:49:25] <Licenser> heh[07:49:42] <Licenser> it's for ESXi but at least the import part should be pretty qual[07:59:54] *** jim80net has joined #smartos[08:00:44] <mikl> ok, I'll try my luck :)[08:01:27] *** jim80net has quit IRC[08:03:50] <Licenser> do that![08:18:10] <mikl> hmm, this probably won't work for my case. Since the physical disks are all the same size, I would exceed the size of my ZFS pool if I tried to import another of the physical disk into it[08:18:13] *** Saskaloon has quit IRC[08:20:53] *** Saskaloon has joined #smartos[08:25:27] *** Saskaloon has quit IRC[08:25:57] *** Saskaloon has joined #smartos[09:09:12] *** sachinsharma has joined #smartos[09:22:38] *** texarcana has quit IRC[09:23:51] *** texarcana has joined #smartos[09:35:39] *** chg has quit IRC[09:41:24] *** sachinsharma has quit IRC[09:54:02] *** notmatt has joined #smartos[09:58:23] *** notmatt has quit IRC[10:02:06] *** notmatt has joined #smartos[10:02:22] *** mamash has joined #smartos[10:03:04] *** notmatt has quit IRC[10:43:29] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[10:50:36] *** Saskaloon has quit IRC[11:11:28] *** mamash has left #smartos[11:12:00] *** bens1 has quit IRC[11:13:59] *** fsteinelX has joined #smartos[11:32:16] *** fsteinelX is now known as fsteinel[11:33:02] *** notmatt has joined #smartos[11:40:59] *** Azbruh has joined #smartos[11:41:25] *** notmatt has quit IRC[12:00:11] *** cncfanatics has joined #smartos[12:45:13] *** cncfanatics has quit IRC[12:47:10] *** cncfanatics has joined #smartos[13:39:43] *** notmatt has joined #smartos[13:40:12] *** pstoll|away is now known as pstoll[13:44:18] *** notmatt has quit IRC[13:46:07] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC[14:00:18] *** ira has joined #smartos[14:01:01] *** ira has quit IRC[14:06:40] *** pstoll is now known as pstoll|away[14:10:56] *** Azbruh has quit IRC[14:19:07] *** pstoll|away is now known as pstoll[14:23:06] *** wdent has joined #smartos[14:31:44] *** haydock has joined #smartos[14:31:51] *** haydock___ has quit IRC[14:34:03] *** Azbruh has joined #smartos[14:35:52] *** z0mbix has joined #smartos[14:49:39] *** Sachiru has joined #smartos[14:55:21] *** pstoll is now known as pstoll|away[14:55:36] *** pstoll|away is now known as pstoll[14:56:23] *** Saskaloon has joined #smartos[15:13:39] *** wdent has quit IRC[15:14:08] *** wdent has joined #smartos[15:18:44] *** wdent has quit IRC[15:26:26] *** kschiess has joined #smartos[15:32:41] *** z0mbix has quit IRC[15:35:16] *** wdent has joined #smartos[15:42:20] *** wdent has quit IRC[15:42:43] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[15:42:48] *** wdent has joined #smartos[15:45:05] *** pstoll is now known as pstoll|away[15:45:31] *** z0mbix has joined #smartos[15:46:37] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[15:47:27] *** wdent has quit IRC[15:52:00] *** nikolam has joined #smartos[16:05:10] *** fsteinel has quit IRC[16:21:34] *** Sachiru has quit IRC[16:53:22] *** wdent has joined #smartos[16:56:39] *** pstoll|away is now known as pstoll[16:56:45] *** mamash has joined #smartos[16:58:01] *** wdent has quit IRC[17:03:01] *** szaydel has quit IRC[17:09:19] *** kschiess has quit IRC[17:10:19] *** avrntsv has joined #smartos[17:16:56] *** pstoll is now known as pstoll|away[17:46:30] *** fsteinelX has joined #smartos[17:50:34] <izaki> Hi! Is anybody running smartos on their workstation?[17:52:15] <izaki> I've been thinking on the "one machine to rule them all" approach for a while...[17:52:19] <wesolows> doubtful. that doesn't really make a lot of sense.[17:53:16] <wesolows> if the purpose of a workstation is to be a machine you sit in front of, type into on a keyboard, and get output from on a monitor, smartos is a lousy choice for a workstation[17:53:36] <izaki> Well, I could virtualize most of the OSs I need to use... and have a "workable" on installed too..[17:54:06] <wesolows> well, don't let me or anyone else stop you. I've no doubt it's possible to put something together that could work.[17:54:12] <izaki> I only need wmii and chrome for my day to day tasks...[17:54:29] <izaki> wesolows: I have tried smartos alone as desktop and it is definitely missing things...[17:54:37] <wesolows> right, deliberately so.[17:55:00] <izaki> But I was wondering if someone has tried the virtualized workstation on top of smartos...[17:55:40] <wesolows> in practice smartos fits very well with the model of having a thin, dumb terminal like a Mac attached to a rich, powerful server system that can run whatever you want over SSH -- X apps, daemons and services, web apps, interactive console stuff, editors, whatever.[17:56:49] <wesolows> the guys working on Spice might have stuff that interests you.[17:56:57] <izaki> It does indeed.[17:57:08] <izaki> Oh, I think I've seen that blog post.[17:57:11] <wesolows> I'm not sure how well VDI maps to your ideas, but it's bound to be a key piece.[17:58:26] <nikolam> wesolows, illumos needs Xen ressurection and changes regarding PCI pass through. (fast 3D for VMs). Xen is there but unmaintained.[17:59:46] <wesolows> We'll have to agree to disagree, but I am sure if you sent code review requests to the illumos mailing list that people would be interested in your work.[18:00:01] <nikolam> maybe one could use Sunray and use desktop on it and server inside smartos/kvm[18:00:51] <wesolows> Well, that's the VDI model, yeah. I just don't think Xen and Sunray are the technologies one would use if building a VDI system from scratch today.[18:01:11] <nikolam> Sunray just use network connection anyway[18:01:16] * izaki is getting the popcorn...[18:01:40] *** jamesd has quit IRC[18:01:52] <nikolam> I see no better thing in universe for VDi but using sunrays. Any other stateless client?[18:01:53] <wesolows> no popcorn needed. There's nothing to debate, because Sunray is dead, like everything else sealed within the Oracle sarcophagus.[18:02:11] <wesolows> We can mourn its passing, but we must accept its demise.[18:02:29] <nikolam> I am not sure how sunray could be dead, when it can be used for 10 years easily per seat.[18:02:47] <wesolows> Oh, if you still have a pre-Oracle Sunray system, then sure; keep using it.[18:03:19] <nikolam> wesolows, as I understand, one can just install server part on present solarises[18:03:24] <wesolows> I still have SPARCstations that are providing useful service. But I'm not investing anything in them as the foundation for future technologies.[18:03:33] <nikolam> and just use it like always. Plus they are cheap on ebay[18:04:03] <wesolows> I don't know. Last I knew, one could get that software only from Oracle, and not on the kind of terms I'd consider accepting. But I'm happy to be proved wrong.[18:04:05] <nikolam> I just say, it would be best to have Xen resurrected on Illumos, with fast graphics support.[18:04:34] <nikolam> wesolows, you saying they changed terms of getting server software for sunrays?[18:04:48] <nikolam> I used to downlod them free, i still have archives on disk[18:05:04] <wesolows> I'm saying that (a) IANAL, (b) I distrust Oracle, and (c) I'm looking to the future rather than the past.[18:05:21] <wesolows> I don't *need* to read an Oracle license agreement to know that I don't want their software.[18:05:41] <nikolam> wesolows, well, sunrays I have are made by sun. And they are just dumb terminals.[18:05:48] <wesolows> But, again, I'm not disparaging Sunray; it was a great product, and if you still have it and the right to use it, then by all means keep doing so.[18:06:14] <nikolam> Ok, i am also against closed source in general, but I think this si a bit Offtopic on #smartos, don't you think? :)[18:06:29] <damacus> http://qubes-os.org/trac/wiki/QubesArchitecture[18:06:35] <wesolows> Well, the topic of "I have SmartOS and want VDI" is not off topic at all.[18:06:38] <damacus> http://qubes-os.org/trac/wiki/QubesScreenshots[18:06:40] <nikolam> It IS great as much as you can buy it cheap.[18:07:17] <nikolam> wesolows, what else you think you can use for your VDI? VNC?[18:07:58] <wesolows> I don't know. I've already said that's not the model for which I see much of a future.[18:08:14] <wesolows> The Qubes thing reminds me of nothing so much as Trusted Solaris. What a flashback there![18:08:38] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[18:09:26] <wesolows> The only VDI technology that anyone is investing in on SmartOS right now is Spice.[18:10:10] <wesolows> so I would encourage anyone interested in VDI to start there and take a long hard look at it before investing in something else instead.[18:10:14] <nikolam> smartos is for cloud and large deployments of internet servers, etc. Maybe I am wrong?[18:10:15] *** mamash has left #smartos[18:11:01] <wesolows> well, that's more Smart DataCenter. SmartOS is more for a small number of servers you want to run zones and/or VMs on, with a lot of the same technology that's in SDC.[18:11:24] <wesolows> They share a common kernel and most of the userland tools, but SDC has a lot more advanced software to operate at large scale.[18:12:06] <wesolows> What you do with the zones or VMs is up to you. Most people provision various web services or databases in them, but you can do pretty much anything you want.[18:12:24] <wesolows> Like the guys doing Spice. :-)[18:16:19] <nikolam> well sunrays also have their software client apps. I wonder how I did not hear before on Spice.[18:16:35] <nikolam> Would ike to learn for it's performance and supported platforms[18:18:30] <nikolam> Xspice sounds nice[18:20:50] <Licenser> mooorning[18:20:59] <MerlinDMC> morning? ... yeah[18:23:29] <ismell> There needs to be a distro thats SmartOS + NexentaStor[18:25:01] <MerlinDMC> any idea why a zone would switch from state "running" to state "failed" after running for about 1 minute? ... and is there any log i could try to get more info from?[18:26:35] <Licenser> MerlinDMC the vmadm logs?[18:31:27] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[18:43:57] *** szaydel has quit IRC[18:48:50] <MerlinDMC> ah ... found my problem ... dumb one -.-[18:56:29] *** wdent has joined #smartos[19:00:07] <Licenser> heh[19:10:16] *** mamash has joined #smartos[19:41:46] *** mamash has left #smartos[19:48:01] <jeffpc> oooh[19:48:08] <jeffpc> the latest USB image is only 1GB?[19:51:18] <MerlinDMC> and i have serious problems with the latest image ^^[19:51:47] <MerlinDMC> it runs fine ... but i can't provision zones :P[19:51:49] * jeffpc is playing with smartos to see if it is viable as a dev box at work[19:51:57] *** mamash has joined #smartos[19:52:01] <jeffpc> MerlinDMC: eh, you have the GZ, no? ;)[19:52:37] <MerlinDMC> jeffpc, yeah ... but that's not possible from there ... https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/issues/148[19:52:38] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[19:53:04] <MerlinDMC> just testted with the vmware image as well to check out that my hardware box or something else is bugged[19:53:15] <jeffpc> ouch![19:53:32] <MerlinDMC> if you want to try smartos as a dev box ... use the older image :P[19:53:49] *** szaydel has quit IRC[19:53:50] <MerlinDMC> that works well as a dev box (have that running in my office)[19:54:03] <jeffpc> dang... my core requires rpcgen(1)[19:54:16] <jperkin> jeffpc: you need >1GB on the usb key?[19:54:35] <jeffpc> jperkin: I was just used to seeing:[19:55:06] <jeffpc> which made me sad -> 1 have a bunch of flash drives that are just a bit too small for that[19:55:19] <jeffpc> I approve the ~1GB USB image size[19:55:28] <jperkin> ah, good then :)[19:56:16] <jeffpc> hrm...[19:56:29] <jeffpc> OI seems to get rpcgen from illumos-gate[19:56:44] <jeffpc> (via developer/object-file)[19:57:46] <MerlinDMC> can i undo specific commits in a cloned git repository?[19:57:59] <jeffpc> jperkin: where is rpcgen(1) hiding in pkgsrc?[20:03:28] <jeffpc> hrm, was rpcgen deemed not worthy of being shipped?[20:05:02] <richlowe> MerlinDMC: 'git revert'[20:05:28] <richlowe> jeffpc: presumably it's in the collection of extra bits Joyent use to build smartos[20:05:35] <richlowe> 'cos we use rpcgen a bunch, and I'm pretty sure we don't use it out of the tree[20:05:38] <richlowe> or, rather, if we do that's a bug.[20:07:00] <jeffpc> are the extra bits packaged at all?[20:09:14] <MerlinDMC> richlowe, thx ... already reverted two commits and build a new image ... will test with that one now[20:29:58] *** chg has joined #smartos[20:32:24] *** fsteinelX is now known as fsteinel[20:34:20] *** mamash has left #smartos[20:35:07] <jperkin> jeffpc: things which are likely to be shipped as part of the basic OS aren't generally in pkgsrc[20:35:21] <jperkin> well, a *BSD OS, in any case[20:45:23] *** trentster has quit IRC[20:48:02] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[20:49:53] *** notmatt has joined #smartos[20:50:02] *** pstoll|away is now known as pstoll[20:54:15] <chg> Licenser: do you have time to go over my problems with fifo right now?[20:54:24] *** notmatt has quit IRC[20:54:28] <Licenser> chg :) ah you're here! Sure[20:54:30] <Licenser> lets have a look[20:54:44] <Licenser> do me a favour first and remove all packages again - I just pushed another fix[20:55:41] <chg> fine, thanks! you mean the fifo vm, right? better just set up a new one?[20:56:09] <Licenser> for sakes of eliminating errors, it's better yes :) and stop chunter grab the newest and start it agian[20:56:52] *** viridari has quit IRC[20:57:11] <chg> fine! just give me 20 mins - my internet connection is soo slow! calling back later[20:57:47] <Licenser> kk[21:00:27] *** viridari has joined #smartos[21:00:27] *** viridari has joined #smartos[21:03:44] *** bens1 has quit IRC[21:05:30] *** viridari has quit IRC[21:07:24] *** jamesd has quit IRC[21:07:52] *** viridari has joined #smartos[21:07:53] *** viridari has joined #smartos[21:09:12] <benbangert> when was the zfs version upgraded?[21:09:26] <benbangert> just booted with latest ISO today, and noticed that when doing zpool status[21:15:47] *** trentster has joined #smartos[21:15:56] <benbangert> ah, https://www.illumos.org/issues/2747[21:15:57] *** Vod has joined #smartos[21:24:42] *** trentster has quit IRC[21:28:53] *** pstoll is now known as pstoll|away[21:30:42] <chg> Licenser: back where we got started - new fifo vm, new chunter on hypervisor, all services came up, still no hypervisor recognized by wiggle[21:32:36] <Licenser> okay that's bad ;)[21:33:04] <Licenser> can you log into the chunter console and type libsniffle : servers(). (without the spaces)[21:35:07] <chg> chunter console faulted[21:35:11] *** nikolam has quit IRC[21:35:35] <Licenser> can you run: ps -afe | grep run_erl[21:36:25] <Licenser> chg come in #Project-FiFo that way we're not going to spam the channel :)[21:36:49] <chg> right[21:40:53] *** avrntsv has quit IRC[22:08:22] *** fsteinel has quit IRC[22:21:33] *** trentster has joined #smartos[22:25:54] *** trentster has quit IRC[22:26:36] *** izaki has quit IRC[22:32:00] *** chg has quit IRC[22:33:29] *** izaki has joined #smartos[22:34:36] *** z0mbix has quit IRC[22:35:21] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[22:39:12] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[22:42:46] *** dap has quit IRC[22:43:22] *** notmatt_ has joined #smartos[22:48:12] *** notmatt_ has quit IRC[22:56:16] *** bens1 has quit IRC[23:08:33] *** rcamera has joined #smartos[23:27:17] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[23:30:01] *** Vod has quit IRC[23:32:44] *** izaki has quit IRC[23:34:37] *** izaki has joined #smartos[23:41:17] *** nikolam has joined #smartos[23:58:41] *** jwk404_ has quit IRC