July 24, 2012 
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July 24, 2012 [00:00:10] <jeffpc> [root@blahg /blahg]# cmake .[00:00:10] <jeffpc> ld.so.1: cmake: fatal: relocation error: file /opt/local/bin/cmake: symbol _ZNSt8__detail15_List_node_base7_M_hookEPS0_: referenced symbol not found[00:00:25] <jeffpc> that's cmake from pkgin[00:01:24] <rmustacc> What dataset?[00:01:40] <jeffpc> smartos64... latest[00:01:42] <rmustacc> And did you change your crle configuration?[00:02:04] <jeffpc> no crle changes[00:02:06] <jeffpc> sdc:sdc:smartos64:1.6.3[00:12:15] <jeffpc> crle shouldn't need to be updated if I use pkgin to get software, correct?[00:17:06] <killfill> is there a special reason why was apache-worker removed from pkgsrc 2011q1 to 2012q1?[00:23:32] <jeffpc> it actually sounds like I want to use smartosplus64[00:26:48] *** Webhostbudd__ has quit IRC[00:27:45] *** enmand has joined #smartos[00:27:49] <benbangert> whats the difference?[00:28:02] <benbangert> between standard and plus[00:28:14] <Licenser> plus coms with lots of packages presinstalled[00:39:22] <wesolows> 2[00:39:28] <Licenser> 3[00:40:40] *** jamesd has quit IRC[00:41:17] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[00:51:25] <benr> standard is intended to be more config management friendly.[00:58:02] *** ctable has joined #smartos[00:59:00] <nahamu> whoa, when did benr get here?[01:00:29] <benr> i'm all sneaky like.[01:01:13] <nahamu> indeed. hi. :)[01:01:56] <benr> howde[01:11:13] *** enmand has quit IRC[01:32:00] <killfill> hm.. where shold pkgsrc be installed?.. so i can pass a compile flag on a pkg..[01:37:59] <benr> its up to you; I normally put source in /opt/pkgsrc and prefix binary installs to /opt/local[01:38:02] *** enmand has joined #smartos[01:38:07] *** Licenser has quit IRC[01:44:11] *** Licenser has joined #smartos[01:56:42] <benbangert> how do I mount another zvol into a zone?[02:02:34] *** denizr has quit IRC[02:04:27] <benbangert> ah ha, zonecfg add dataset[02:06:43] *** jesser_ has joined #smartos[02:06:43] *** jesser has quit IRC[02:06:44] *** jesser_ is now known as jesser[02:12:46] *** jamesd__ has joined #smartos[02:12:46] *** jamesd_ has joined #smartos[02:14:07] *** jamesd has quit IRC[02:14:31] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[02:21:30] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[02:21:46] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC[02:35:02] *** Webhostbudd has joined #smartos[02:52:26] *** jdavis1 has quit IRC[02:56:01] *** e^ipi has quit IRC[02:56:32] *** e^ipi has joined #smartos[02:57:43] *** wdent has quit IRC[02:58:00] *** relling has quit IRC[03:02:10] *** wdent has joined #smartos[03:12:42] *** jamesd has quit IRC[03:13:00] *** jamesd_ has joined #smartos[03:20:03] *** ctable has left #smartos[03:20:58] <konobi> benbangert: sophos appliance on smartos?![03:24:50] <konobi> that's like a bizarre personal inception for me[03:25:35] <benbangert> konobi: hehe[03:26:08] <benbangert> konobi: works great, was gonna go pfsense but someone on the OI chan said Sophos (previous antaros or something) was better, and gotta say, its very nice[03:26:33] <konobi> yeah, a couple years before joyent I was at sophos[03:27:08] <benbangert> I can't say I've had great experiences with sophos, so I'm willing to assume its current goodness is due to the pre-purchase quality ;)[03:27:39] <benbangert> either way, it works quite nicely, and thats yet another device I get to retire[03:27:57] <benbangert> next up is getting netatalk running smoothly in a zone for time machine backups[03:28:07] <benbangert> should be simple judging by the forums posts[03:29:30] <konobi> not even sure what all UTM contains[03:30:23] <benbangert> a lot more than I have active... intrusion protection, DHCP server stuff, DNS, a variety of routing options[03:30:46] <benbangert> very easy to designate a few VNIC's and put up DHCP on them, determine which VLAN's can route to which, etc.[03:32:06] *** enmand has quit IRC[03:34:55] *** denizr has joined #smartos[03:38:52] *** dap has quit IRC[03:42:07] *** scooby2 has quit IRC[03:49:19] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC[04:05:09] *** denizr has quit IRC[04:06:40] *** xinkeT has joined #smartos[04:07:09] *** nataj has joined #smartos[04:07:19] *** ismell has quit IRC[04:07:26] *** ismell has joined #smartos[04:07:59] *** Teknix has quit IRC[04:08:00] *** sjorge has quit IRC[04:08:08] *** jatan has quit IRC[04:08:08] *** nataj is now known as jatan[04:08:41] *** ira has quit IRC[04:09:20] *** sjorge has joined #smartos[04:15:17] <jeffpc> hrm[04:15:36] <jeffpc> b2845b76-80c5-11e1-9d72-5b4ca4191e12 smartos 2012-04-07 sdc:sdc:smartosplus64:3.2.0[04:15:42] <jeffpc> that fails to create[04:15:59] <jeffpc> because zoneinit in the zone gets confused about apache init[04:31:12] <jeffpc> also, zfs send -r fails:[04:31:14] <jeffpc> http://pastie.org/4311763[04:35:50] <killfill> how does it come that i see a package in http://pkgsrc.joyent.com/sdc6/2012Q1/x86_64/All/, but pkgin does not see it?[04:37:52] <killfill> actually its apache+worker-2.2.22nb1.tgz and nginx+passenger-1.0.14.tgz.. maybe its a problem with packages containing a plus that continues with a character?[04:38:29] <jeffpc> aaaaargh![04:38:31] <jeffpc> ld.so.1: blahg: fatal: relocation error: R_AMD64_PC32: file /opt/local/lib/libxmlrpc_server_cgi.so.3: symbol main: value 0x280069d9fe4 does not fit[04:41:26] *** relling has joined #smartos[04:49:38] *** wdent has quit IRC[04:55:07] *** denizr has joined #smartos[05:04:11] *** enmand has joined #smartos[05:04:43] <killfill> maybe its a bug in pkgin.. :P[05:07:36] <jeffpc> I'm not having much luck with smartos today :([05:07:57] <jeffpc> I hope I have better luck tomorrow[05:15:50] *** jamesd__ has joined #smartos[05:17:08] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC[05:19:07] <wesolows> is that actually a shared object? I'm wondering if it was built correctly. It's also very unusual for a shared library to have a main function.[05:20:40] <richlowe> I have this vague memory of seeing this before somewhere[05:20:48] <richlowe> frustrating.[05:21:38] <wesolows> I know I've seen it before, too, and it's always a build problem of some kind[05:21:50] <richlowe> Well, no, not just the "does not fit", but including the 'main'[05:21:53] *** denizr has quit IRC[05:22:00] <wesolows> oh, that. hrm.[05:22:04] <richlowe> John did it with a botched libz build[05:22:10] <richlowe> I just don't remember how[05:24:20] <richlowe> Oh, this is the classic "cc accepts gcc flags and then does whacky things"[05:24:23] <richlowe> in John's case[05:26:22] <wesolows> oh, maybe -Gshared or whatever[05:26:57] <wesolows> though hopefully that's not the case here, since this should all be using gcc only[05:29:12] <richlowe> Yeah, that was the combination that got him the 'main' as well[05:36:24] *** enmand has quit IRC[05:37:15] *** aroop has joined #smartos[06:03:07] *** Teknix has joined #smartos[06:03:31] *** Tekni has quit IRC[06:10:50] *** Sachiru has joined #smartos[06:53:26] *** Sachiru has quit IRC[06:54:20] *** aroop has quit IRC[06:54:24] *** aroop_ has joined #smartos[07:11:33] *** Tekni has joined #smartos[07:11:41] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[07:13:01] *** xinkeT has joined #smartos[07:15:51] *** Tekni has quit IRC[07:15:51] *** aroop_ has quit IRC[07:28:26] *** jelmd has quit IRC[07:28:58] *** aroop has joined #smartos[07:30:54] <MerlinDMC> heyho[07:32:10] <MerlinDMC> jeffpc, zoneinit of smartosplus gets stuck if you use less than 512M (or was it 1G) memory[07:34:18] <konobi> sounds about right[07:35:11] <MerlinDMC> wow ... someone is awake ^^[07:50:20] *** mathie has joined #smartos[07:51:32] *** Tekni has joined #smartos[07:52:50] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[08:10:58] <trentster1> MerlinDMC: Hi, do you use " Chef" by any chance?[08:12:00] <MerlinDMC> trentster1, not for now ... i was looking at chef and puppet ... but i maybe just use sprinkle for my easy server setup stuff[08:12:48] <MerlinDMC> i have not decided that yet tho :)[08:14:41] <trentster1> aah ok.[08:16:54] <trentster1> I didnt even know about sprinkle:-P[08:16:58] <konobi> most folks i know tend to go with chef-solo[08:17:13] <trentster1> Sounds like a name "Licenser" would come up with..;-)[08:17:19] <MerlinDMC> lol[08:17:29] <konobi> trentster1: played with SDC yet at all?[08:17:47] <trentster1> konobi: yup I have.[08:18:02] <konobi> cool... no blog post!?[08:18:23] <MerlinDMC> sdc ... i need to set that up -.- i already bought a brand new usb key! ;)[08:18:41] <trentster1> konobi: I am too scared to dive too deep, as the pricing is prohibitive for us..[08:18:58] <konobi> trentster1: have you had a recent quote?[08:19:14] <konobi> there's some mis-information out there about the pricing[08:19:30] <MerlinDMC> konobi, what's the correct pricing then? :P[08:20:17] <konobi> MerlinDMC: all i know is that there used to be per-GB pricing... but now it's per-machine[08:20:38] <MerlinDMC> per machine could be better than per gb ... yeah[08:21:29] <MerlinDMC> would really be cool to have some example calculations for the pricing online[08:22:03] <konobi> MerlinDMC: i'm just a dev bod... that's all sales stuff... but at least there's a "free" tier[08:22:31] <trentster1> konobi: you sure about the pricing change per machine?[08:22:39] <konobi> trentster1: 90%[08:23:12] <konobi> bdha is probably much more knowledgable than I on that[08:23:38] <trentster1> I hope they have not just assumed 96GB of ram per machine and then factored it by the GB pricing model, then only way price drops is if you use more than 96Gb per node.[08:29:13] <trentster1> MerlinDMC: sprinkle looks cool, especially for smaller environments, that dont need the complexity of chef[08:33:41] *** Teknix has quit IRC[08:35:24] *** Teknix has joined #smartos[08:40:48] *** jesser_ has joined #smartos[08:40:49] *** jesser has quit IRC[08:40:49] *** jesser_ is now known as jesser[08:41:33] <bdha> SDC pricing is $40/MB.[08:42:00] <bdha> Which is half what it used to cost.[08:42:29] <trentster1> bdha: nope thats the pricing I got a couple of months back. and its an annual price right?[08:42:36] <bdha> Yup.[08:42:45] <bdha> "used to" as in when they used per-socket pricing.[08:42:57] <bdha> trentster1: I take it you don't use say, EC2. :)[08:43:19] <bdha> My yearly SDC license is half what I pay AWS every month.[08:50:00] <trentster1> bdha: nope dont use EC2 anymore, looking for building private cloud now.[08:51:16] *** mathie has quit IRC[08:51:38] <trentster1> bdha, out of interest, how many nodes do you have?[08:53:14] <bdha> trentster1: We're going hybrid. SDC on metal. EC2/GCE/whatever for network.[08:53:18] <bdha> (ie public services)[08:53:24] <bdha> ~200 on EC2, ~150 on SDC right now.[08:53:32] <bdha> I'm dropping another .5TB SDC tomorrow, though. :)[08:57:08] <trentster1> wow! thats alot[08:57:20] <bdha> Yup. 1TB in a rack. Pretty cool stuff.[08:57:32] <bdha> Of course... I used to think that about spinning rust. :)[08:58:58] *** mathie has joined #smartos[08:59:33] <trentster1> how much ram do you put in your nodes, and I assume you using 10k sas drives for your pools?[09:01:34] <bdha> The older boxes have 48GB, current have 96GB. Standardizing on 144GB tomorrow.[09:01:48] <bdha> Or 192GB if the next rev will take it without being retarded expensive.[09:02:01] <bdha> And yeah, 10K SAS. Though I'm going to be dropping SSD sleds in as well.[09:02:20] <bdha> We also have hybrid storage JBODs (SATA + SSD) for bulk store.[09:02:30] <bdha> More or less standard setup, I think.[09:02:46] <bdha> I suspect I'm going to regret not going with the 4way sled boxes from Intel or SuperMicro, though.[09:04:46] <trentster1> yeah had a look at the supermicro 4 way sleds, they are on my "must have list"[09:05:22] <bdha> Have you seen Intel's Modular Server?[09:05:38] <bdha> I need a purpose for a few of those. Just to have 'em.[09:05:44] <trentster1> yeah we have a couple of them in the DC[09:05:52] <bdha> Nice as they look?[09:06:03] <trentster1> I dont like the shared network switch on them tho, have had soem issues.[09:06:07] <bdha> SDC needs KVM live migration. :)[09:06:38] <MerlinDMC> bdha, there was some other provider for those mudular server things ... will search my mailing archive[09:10:17] <MerlinDMC> hmm ... can't find that[09:13:01] <trentster1> Has anyone used these for SmartOS?[09:13:03] <trentster1> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/2027/SYS-2027TR-HTRF_.cfm[09:13:14] *** Licenser has quit IRC[09:15:32] *** sam_wan has joined #smartos[09:23:04] *** mamash has joined #smartos[09:35:21] <bdha> trentster1: postwait does, I think.[09:35:23] * bdha bed &[09:35:32] <bdha> (not SmartOS, but OmniOS)[09:36:16] *** jamesd has joined #smartos[09:38:21] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[10:05:47] *** jamesd has quit IRC[10:06:14] *** jamesd_ has joined #smartos[10:13:21] <konobi> ix-systems are also quite nice[10:17:13] <trentster1> konobi: I think ix-systems stuff is supermicro anyway[10:24:18] *** sam_wan has quit IRC[10:25:46] <konobi> yeag, just "supported"[10:27:04] <konobi> i've also dealt with other system integtrators before (at arms length) and it seems like a pain... ix seems like a reasonable route[10:32:52] *** Z` has joined #smartos[10:34:36] *** Z`` has quit IRC[10:39:38] *** aroop_ has joined #smartos[10:39:48] *** aroop has quit IRC[10:43:17] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[10:46:11] <MerlinDMC> how can i add virtio drivers during windows install? ... i've added the virtio drivers iso from redhat as second cdrom but that is not found during driver installation[11:03:34] <konobi> MerlinDMC: slipstream[11:03:55] <konobi> there's nlite or vlite for that[11:04:23] <konobi> but my win32 knowledge is pretty out of date these days[11:06:31] <MerlinDMC> slipstream is a nice idea[11:06:45] <MerlinDMC> didn't think about that[11:07:51] <trentster1> MerlinDMC: are you on latest image?[11:08:11] <MerlinDMC> trentster1, sure ... because of the second cdrom ... it is bound to the vm[11:08:52] <MerlinDMC> but maybe the directory layout is wrong for that windows bluescreen preboot thingy[11:09:01] <trentster1> MerlinDMC: so windows sees the cdrom and you can browse the file structure?[11:09:55] <MerlinDMC> trentster1, i'm at the installer level of windows xp ... bluescreen installer ... "press Z to add additional ..." that finds no driver[11:10:23] <MerlinDMC> now i'm installing with ide drive and try to switch back to virtio after the installation[11:10:35] <MerlinDMC> if that breaks ... i'll try to slipstream the drivers[11:11:12] <konobi> slipstream is better overall, because you can also include security updates regularly[13:23:47] *** JT-EC has quit IRC[13:24:24] *** JT-EC has joined #smartos[13:27:38] *** ira has joined #smartos[13:40:02] *** ira has quit IRC[14:21:15] *** mathie has quit IRC[14:25:37] *** mathie has joined #smartos[15:06:06] *** denizr has joined #smartos[15:09:21] *** d[^_^]b has quit IRC[15:19:50] *** sebasp has quit IRC[15:50:58] *** ira has joined #smartos[16:10:35] *** neophenix has joined #smartos[16:11:58] *** denizr1 has joined #smartos[16:13:27] *** denizr has quit IRC[16:14:41] *** denizr has joined #smartos[16:16:07] *** denizr1 has quit IRC[16:16:32] *** jelmd has joined #smartos[16:42:09] <jeffpc> MerlinDMC: ah, yeah, I gave it 256MB... which should be enough for everyone :)[16:42:56] *** jesser has quit IRC[16:44:13] *** biant92 has joined #smartos[16:45:38] <MerlinDMC> jeffpc, if you use normal zones ... but not if the zone runs mysql, postgres, apache and some other services in parallel :P[16:45:39] *** denizr has quit IRC[16:46:05] <jeffpc> MerlinDMC: this is going to be lighttpd + my cgi blog :)[16:46:18] <jeffpc> now, if only my blog actually ran...[16:46:27] * jeffpc glares at libxmlrpc[16:46:33] <MerlinDMC> then you should start at base 1.7.0 ... not smartosplus :P[16:47:03] <jeffpc> I tried[16:47:08] <jeffpc> but cmake didn't run there[16:47:14] <jeffpc> and it was just a PITA[16:47:29] <jeffpc> cmake from pkgin[16:47:50] <MerlinDMC> let me try ... i have a test zone[16:48:23] <MerlinDMC> [root@061fd2f7-e54e-490a-b60f-830537e550ae ~]# cmake --version[16:48:24] <MerlinDMC> cmake version 2.8.7[16:48:30] <MerlinDMC> seems to work ... normal[16:48:34] <jeffpc> what's the img uuid?[16:48:49] <jeffpc> I tried:[16:48:50] <jeffpc> f9e4be48-9466-11e1-bc41-9f993f5dff36 smartos 2012-05-02 sdc:sdc:smartos64:1.6.3[16:48:52] <MerlinDMC> 8418dccc-c9c6-11e1-91f4-5fb387d839c5[16:49:19] <jeffpc> what's "base" vs. smartos?[16:49:28] <MerlinDMC> if you need 64bit ... i would go for d0eebb8e-c9cb-11e1-8762-2f01c4acd80d[16:49:36] <MerlinDMC> base is the new name for the smartos images[16:49:40] <jeffpc> ah![16:49:43] <jeffpc> good to know[16:49:51] <MerlinDMC> was on the mailing list ... :P[16:50:02] <jeffpc> I signed up very recently :/[16:50:27] <MerlinDMC> need to catch my train ... cya later[16:50:47] *** kfr has joined #smartos[16:51:58] *** ira has quit IRC[16:53:48] *** denizr has joined #smartos[16:57:23] *** ira has joined #smartos[17:11:59] *** sgtzx_ has joined #smartos[17:12:53] *** sgtzx has quit IRC[17:17:51] *** jdavis1 has joined #smartos[17:20:39] *** biant92 has quit IRC[17:26:04] *** biant92 has joined #smartos[17:33:54] <jeffpc> ok, cmake runs[17:34:02] <jeffpc> libxmlrpc is still acting up[17:36:22] <jperkin> what's the problem, and which pkgsrc repo?[17:43:58] <jeffpc> umm[17:44:18] <jeffpc> whatever the default is in 1.7.0 64-bit base[17:45:21] <jeffpc> [root@blahg /blahg]# ./blahg[17:45:21] <jeffpc> ld.so.1: blahg: fatal: relocation error: R_AMD64_PC32: file /opt/local/lib/libxmlrpc_server_cgi.so.3: symbol main: value 0x28007169fe4 does not fit[17:45:24] <jeffpc> Killed[17:45:59] <jperkin> whatever blahg is, is it using -G?[17:46:09] <jperkin> when compiling, that is[17:46:54] <jperkin> that error is reminiscent of an old perl issue, s/-G/-shared/ made it go away.[17:46:55] <jeffpc> no[17:47:02] <jeffpc> blahg is a binary[17:47:10] <jeffpc> my own C program[17:47:47] <jeffpc> it works fine as long as I don't link against libxmlrpc[17:50:39] <jeffpc> (but I want to because...well, I want to handle xmlrpcs)[17:53:09] *** denizr has quit IRC[17:53:30] *** denizr has joined #smartos[18:04:54] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC[18:06:57] *** benr has quit IRC[18:07:47] *** 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<ashp> Could someone kind do me a favour and paste the first line of /etc/release (writing something that wants to distinguish between different solarisy operating systems)[19:20:49] <jperkin> SmartOS x86_64[19:20:54] <rmustacc> ashp: Are you in a zone or the GZ?[19:20:58] <jperkin> chances are you'll be wanting to use uname -v instead though :)[19:21:56] <ashp> jperkin: What does uname -v look like? I know parsing /etc/release has worked for other stuff like openindiana[19:22:00] <ashp> it can be hard to tell them all apart :)[19:22:31] <rmustacc> ahsp: joyent_20120629T002039Z[19:22:51] <ashp> I have to collect strings from 'joyent', as if that's considered a seperate thing, and 'omnios' whatever that is, too[19:23:12] <rmustacc> Hmm?[19:23:13] <ashp> hmm, I wonder if uname -v is different enough on solaris, openindiana, etc, that I could get away with checking that[19:23:14] <jperkin> omnios has 'omnios-dda4bb3', fwiw[19:23:25] <ashp> This pull request probably explains what I'm doing better than I can: https://github.com/puppetlabs/facter/pull/256/files[19:23:27] <rmustacc> ashp: What are you actually trying to check for the presence of?[19:23:43] <ashp> rmustacc: For each operating system in facter they set an 'operatingsystem' fact and an 'osfamily'[19:23:45] <jperkin> I use uname -v in pkgsrc[19:24:17] <ashp> So everything gets osfamily of "solaris" and then each 'distro' or os, whatever smartos is considered to be, gets the appropriate operatingsystem set to the specific thing[19:24:32] <rmustacc> I can tell you that parsing /etc/release in a zone is not what you want.[19:24:45] <rmustacc> You'll misidentify in some SmartOS zones.[19:24:56] <rmustacc> Arguably a bug in our datasets, but that's how it is.[19:25:14] <ashp> I didn't even think about zones, I don't know much about them[19:25:22] <ashp> does uname -v change between zones and whatever is outside a zone[19:25:35] <rmustacc> You don't need to do anything different for them.[19:25:39] <rmustacc> uname -v doesn't change.[19:25:43] <ashp> Think I'm going to have to make some VMs or something and experiment[19:25:45] <rmustacc> I would stick to that for Joyent stuff for now.[19:25:56] <ashp> OK, I'll rework this to rely on uname -v[19:29:08] <ashp> Oh nice, my server provider has smartos as a default option and I have an old atom server with them I can repurpose to play around[19:29:30] <e^ipi> you won't be getting kvm on that atom[19:29:41] <rmustacc> Who's your server provider out of curiosity?[19:29:44] <e^ipi> and make sure it's one of the newer ones or otherwise 64 bit, we don't ship a 32 bit kernel[19:29:49] <ashp> ovh/kimsufi[19:29:54] <ashp> it's one of the 64bit ones I think[19:30:04] <ashp> I keep meaning to rent an i7 from them so if it fails to install I'll just do that[19:30:40] <e^ipi> if it's any of the newer ones it'll be 64 bit[19:30:50] <e^ipi> i'm not sure that anyone is actively selling 32 bit x86 anymore[19:30:59] <ashp> yeah it's a relatively new one from memory[19:32:12] <ashp> Ah I guess not, they are blocking me from adding it as my machine isn't considered virtualization capable[19:32:15] <ashp> guess I'll be upgrading..[19:33:25] <MerlinDMC> rmustacc, ovh added smartos lately i think ... someone posted that on the mailing list[19:34:02] <ashp> OK this shows my massive ignorance of smartos[19:34:08] * MerlinDMC out for shopping[19:34:16] <ashp> but it handles virtualization right? So I could install smartos and then maybe get openindiana or solaris installed on top of it for testing?[19:35:41] <wesolows> it should be possible to run one of those things in a KVM instance, sure, provided you have KVM support in HW.[19:35:54] <wesolows> and an appropriate license in the case of solaris[19:36:05] <ashp> Awesome, I find myself needing the ability to provision all kinds of (no offense) obscurish operating systems for information gathering lately[19:37:14] <e^ipi> ashp: no, the atom doesn't support virtualization.[19:38:15] <wesolows> KVM on i7, ok; KVM on atom, not happening.[19:38:30] <richlowe> which atom?[19:38:33] <e^ipi> any atom[19:38:42] <richlowe> Oh![19:38:47] <rmustacc> Several atoms have VMX, they don't have EPT.[19:38:51] <richlowe> Yeah, rmustacc and I sorta went through that, I bet it's the same problem. :\[19:38:58] <richlowe> rmustacc: Well, I thought some did because of the ark page that...[19:38:59] <richlowe> yeah.[19:39:03] <ashp> The good news is I really miss using zfs and so experimenting with smartos will be a fun experiment[19:39:16] <rmustacc> richlowe: Those ark pages are driving me crazy.[19:39:35] <rmustacc> Because every other source of information and reseller disagree.[19:39:47] <richlowe> I didn't get a response from the feedback thing, so I presume it is in deed a bitbucket[19:39:59] <ashp> One last question - this fact listed 'Joyent' and 'SmartOS' as seperate operating systems. Did SmartOS replace an older thing that was just called Joyent?[19:40:07] <ashp> If so does anyone have access to one and uname -v from it :)[19:40:18] <e^ipi> it's possible they mean "SDC"[19:40:21] <richlowe> wesolows: The code of LeftWing's is _so_ close to working sans EPT on these chips. One person with broken hardware and some motivation would do it[19:40:38] <e^ipi> and SDC is basically just smartos with some management goober on top[19:41:07] <ashp> e^ipi: So basically there's no such thing as 'Joyent' as an operating system? I thought joyent was just a company name and so doesn't make sense in this context[19:41:17] <ashp> but they were parsing /etc/release for 'Joyent' so[19:41:29] <wesolows> for whatever reason it always seems like the people with broken and/or shitty hardware and the people who are motivated to make things work have very little overlap[19:42:03] <rmustacc> I own some of that probably broken hardware and the motivation I have to make stuff work on it isn't kvm.[19:42:12] <richlowe> wesolows: the year where we haven't found anyone does show that quite well.[19:42:19] *** mathie has quit IRC[19:42:52] <rmustacc> Every so often I get close to almost wanting to get kms working for the chipset I have there, but then real life tells me to stop.[19:43:03] <e^ipi> ashp: yes that's correct.[19:43:18] <wesolows> spend hundreds of hours on KMS, or $1000 on a mac mini[19:43:18] <ashp> e^ipi: Perfect, I'll strip it out then, thanks, you guys have been super helpful[19:43:36] <wesolows> it's been 15+ years since it made sense to work for less than minimum wage[19:47:02] *** mathie has joined #smartos[19:48:30] *** jdavis1 has joined #smartos[19:58:54] *** aroop_ has quit IRC[20:08:39] *** Licenser has joined #smartos[20:12:26] *** ctable has joined #smartos[20:12:35] *** ctable has left #smartos[20:13:32] *** bens1 has quit IRC[20:13:41] *** ctable has joined #smartos[20:16:48] *** ctable has quit IRC[20:17:27] *** ctable has joined #smartos[20:17:36] <Licenser> dun dun dun[20:17:42] <Licenser> MerlinDMC ping[20:25:06] <MerlinDMC> ouch[20:44:37] *** amublance_wookie has joined #smartos[20:44:55] <amublance_wookie> Is this a reasonable place to ask about SMF behavior, or is there a better channel?[20:45:08] <rmustacc> Sure, here works.[20:46:18] <amublance_wookie> We are running the Unicorn ruby app server. The master process is supposed to kill workers if they time out. To keep SMF from freaking out when this happens, we have asked SMF to respect this:[20:46:19] <amublance_wookie> startd/ignore_error astring core,signal[20:46:45] <amublance_wookie> Is the the right thing to do? We are seeing mysterious restarts of our service that we find puzzling.[20:47:40] <rmustacc> Why is the service restarting?[20:47:43] <rmustacc> The log should specify.[20:48:51] <amublance_wookie> [ Jul 24 18:38:00 No 'refresh' method defined. Treating as :true. ][20:49:31] <amublance_wookie> That's all we see. It seems to coincide with chef-client runs, but we don't explicitly restart the service in our chef automation.[20:51:34] <wesolows> I thought that ignoring signal applied only to signals originating outside the contract[20:51:48] <wesolows> i.e., it shouldn't be necessary if the process sending them is within the same contract[20:53:23] <richlowe> man, these manual pages :\[21:00:47] <amublance_wookie> Looks like it may be something in our chef code that manages RBAC for the Unicorn service.[21:01:15] <amublance_wookie> wesolows: Is that documented? That's not what we have assumed. Would love to know if we are thinking rightly about this.[21:01:56] <wesolows> the process(4) page describes a lot of the underpinnings here[21:02:09] <wesolows> but it's admittedly not targeted at end users[21:02:24] <wesolows> smf(4) should help too but I'm not sure[21:02:24] <amublance_wookie> wesolows: Are you talking about SMF man pages?[21:02:30] <amublance_wookie> Okay.[21:03:41] *** biant92 has left #smartos[21:07:53] *** mathie has quit IRC[21:09:04] <Licenser> where does smartOS get it's hostname from?[21:10:18] *** ira has quit IRC[21:21:45] <nahamu> I would guess DNS.[21:21:57] <nahamu> reverse lookup of the IP address[21:22:00] <nahamu> but that's just a guess.[21:22:30] <MerlinDMC> Licenser + nahamu, https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/blob/master/overlay/generic/lib/svc/method/identity-node#L144[21:23:39] <MerlinDMC> basically you can provide the hostname as boot parameter[21:23:55] *** sebasp has joined #smartos[21:41:09] <ashp> urgh, I regret this already, having to put together json to make a vm :)[21:41:23] <ashp> I had foolishly assumed it would have some kind of fancy interview, being a hypervisor distro[21:42:02] <ashp> interface, not interview[21:42:30] <e^ipi> no, for that you gotta pay[21:42:44] <ashp> ahh[21:42:50] <e^ipi> http://joyent.com/products/joyent-smartdatacenter/[21:44:29] <MerlinDMC> the json is not a big problem if i think about smth like virsh and the xml representation[21:45:09] <ashp> Oh it's not the end of the world, I'm just lazy and used to an interface like proxmox, had just assumed something similar would magically appear. I'll mess around with the json until I get it working.[21:45:24] <ashp> (I'd still trust zfs backed vms over ext4 any day of the week)[21:45:48] <MerlinDMC> take a look at the wiki ... there some samples[21:50:01] <jperkin> wouldn't be so bad if json allowed commas after final entry, it's like using aix acc in strict mode all over again[21:53:08] <MerlinDMC> jperkin, just add a dummy entry at the end ;)[21:54:53] <jeffpc> jperkin: ![21:54:56] <jeffpc> you![21:55:20] <jeffpc> I have a problem with the libxmlrpc package :)[21:55:43] <jperkin> I know :)[21:56:18] <jeffpc> oh good :)[21:57:20] <jperkin> 18:17 < jperkin> yeh, will have a look, grepping through the bulk build reports shows some similar failures[21:57:23] <jperkin> 18:17 < jperkin> am guessing I should have gone with a global s/-G/-shared/ fix rather than just doing perl..[21:57:49] <jeffpc> ah, didn't see that[21:59:52] <jperkin> am running a limited build so I can get some logs and see what it's doing[22:01:33] <MerlinDMC> jperkin, also your darwin packages run fine on 10.8 (for those i used)[22:02:01] <jperkin> MerlinDMC: cool, good to hear.[22:02:17] <MerlinDMC> but ... why the hell is nodejs not included? ;)[22:02:52] <jperkin> it's not in the main pkgsrc repo yet[22:13:24] *** marsell has quit IRC[22:16:48] <Licenser> ashp project-fifo.net :)[22:17:48] <Licenser> it's by far not as good as SDC but it's free and improving ^^[22:23:37] *** denizr has quit IRC[22:24:09] *** marsell has joined #smartos[22:28:22] *** denizr has joined #smartos[22:34:05] <ashp> i'll take a look![22:36:09] <Licenser> use 0.2.0dev if you try it out 0.1.* is outdated and dev is too beta :)[22:54:19] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[23:00:54] *** bens1 has quit IRC[23:05:55] *** denizr has quit IRC[23:06:19] *** denizr has joined #smartos[23:07:12] *** ira has joined #smartos[23:53:15] <jeffpc> jperkin: let me know if you rebuild libxmlrpc and want me to test[23:53:52] <jperkin> yeh, still figuring out where it's borked (well, netpbm as it has the same symptoms)[23:54:13] <jperkin> looks fine initially, has all the right fPIC/ld stuff