July 8, 2012 
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July 8, 2012 [00:20:01] *** bixu has joined #smartos[00:24:42] *** bixu has quit IRC[00:41:26] *** bixu has joined #smartos[00:41:38] *** bixu has quit IRC[00:41:57] *** bixu has joined #smartos[00:46:32] *** bixu has quit IRC[01:57:50] *** jelmd has joined #smartos[01:58:33] *** jelmd has joined #smartos[02:12:47] *** Orpheus has joined #smartos[02:18:43] *** hifoo_ has joined #smartos[02:33:56] *** denizr has joined #smartos[02:43:07] *** denizr has quit IRC[02:49:10] *** bixu has joined #smartos[02:50:17] <killfill> is there any dataset source avaible other than joyent's?..[02:53:37] *** bixu has quit IRC[02:54:11] <Licenser> killfill yes I've a very little one but it's not much in there[02:54:50] <Licenser> it has two empty KVM sets (10 and 20G) for booting from CDRom afterwards plus a rather outdated wiggle zone :)[02:55:07] <killfill> Licenser: just found out about your fifo project..[02:55:16] <Licenser> :)[02:55:33] <killfill> yup.. i happend to saw thouse.. so i was wondering if that kind os a 'standard' for smartos.. maybe there were others.. :P[02:55:50] <Licenser> what is kind of standard?[02:56:15] <Licenser> smartos is young, I'm sure there will be more images at some point[02:56:24] <killfill> so i mean, having dataset repos, and be them compatible with sdc, and plain smartos + your tools[02:56:27] <killfill> yup[02:56:57] <Licenser> well I try to stay compatible with the stuff I do - that makes it easyer for everyone, and joyent is nice when it comes help regarding ther APIs[02:58:13] <killfill> was reading your PXE boot server blog built with freebsd.. some years ago i setup a pretty similar thing to boot others bsd on my little pc's.. i had to keep experimenting with that.. forgot all.. :P[02:58:33] * killfill freebsd fan..[02:58:35] <Licenser> that wasn't me[02:58:43] <killfill> oh..[02:59:06] * Licenser is the guy who does fifo (and did vmwebadm)[02:59:11] <killfill> ah sorry.. that was Mark Slatem[02:59:24] <Licenser> yea mark is a nice guy[02:59:29] <Licenser> trentster is his nick here.[02:59:35] <Licenser> btw you're around mate?[03:00:14] <killfill> well im new to smartos.. and bad with names.. :P[03:00:23] <Licenser> killfill we all are ^^[03:00:30] <killfill> hehe[03:01:09] <Licenser> but trentster has blogged a lot (well if there can be a lot for a new project) about fifo so it makes sense :) he's like the inofficial PR guy I guess :P[03:03:57] <killfill> hm.. sdc doesnt seem to boot with 1 network card.. :S[03:06:06] <Licenser> I've never managed to run SDC[03:11:20] <killfill> oh.. i assummed it didnt worked becouse i had just 1 network card.. (it tells a network error)[03:11:49] <killfill> but http://wiki.smartos.org/display/DOC/extra+configuration+options <-- he is using the same card for both networks.. :P[03:12:01] <killfill> has to be a driver thing then..[03:12:17] <killfill> the solution is the same.. just buy another network card tomorow.. jaj..[03:16:59] <Licenser> ^^[03:17:04] <Licenser> waht card are you using[03:18:47] <Orpheus> sigh i still cant figure out why qemu does not like illumos vms[03:18:57] <Orpheus> smartos seems to be the only one i can use[03:21:19] <killfill> Licenser: its an nForce integrated nic..[03:21:45] <Licenser> ah hmm well nvida nics should be supported by solaris, ORacle uses them too I think[03:22:41] <killfill> hmm[03:30:02] <Licenser> do you see at least the one?[03:31:14] *** bixu has joined #smartos[03:35:44] *** bixu has quit IRC[03:42:38] *** Licenser has quit IRC[03:46:41] *** Licenser has joined #smartos[03:52:32] *** bixu has joined #smartos[03:57:14] *** bixu has quit IRC[04:11:25] <hifoo_> Should SmartOS work on a HP N36L microserver with the standard ISO but without KVM? It boots, but I get a 'WARNING: kvm: no hardware support' message and it appears to hang.[04:12:01] <richlowe> hanging is odd[04:12:36] <hifoo_> I can't tell if it is hung. There is a blinking cursor, but it doesn't continue to boot.[04:13:49] *** bixu has joined #smartos[04:13:55] <hifoo_> If I use LeftWing's smartos-20120223-jmc2.iso image, it boots without any problems.[04:17:21] <richlowe> Well, that might just be that it's much older code.[04:17:29] <richlowe> it's hard to imagine a kvm that's refused to work hanging things up, I think[04:17:32] <richlowe> but I don't know smartos well.[04:18:07] *** bixu has quit IRC[04:25:02] <hifoo_> Thanks. I'll try booting off of the ISO version that LeftWing based his ISO off of and see if it boots.[04:28:31] *** denizr has joined #smartos[05:18:19] *** bixu has joined #smartos[05:23:00] *** bixu has quit IRC[05:42:26] *** denizr has quit IRC[06:05:42] *** denizr has joined #smartos[06:08:23] *** deirdres has joined #smartos[06:21:41] *** bixu has joined #smartos[06:26:30] *** bixu has quit IRC[07:04:23] *** bixu has joined #smartos[07:08:36] *** bixu has quit IRC[07:14:35] *** denizr has quit IRC[07:25:44] *** bixu has joined #smartos[07:27:44] *** deirdres has quit IRC[07:46:51] *** bixu has joined #smartos[07:51:01] *** bixu has quit IRC[08:13:19] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[08:50:59] *** bixu has joined #smartos[09:12:04] *** bixu has joined #smartos[09:16:16] *** bixu has quit IRC[09:33:43] *** bixu has joined #smartos[09:38:07] *** bixu has quit IRC[09:55:04] *** bixu has joined #smartos[09:59:17] *** bixu has quit IRC[10:09:42] *** knweiss has joined #smartos[10:58:55] *** bixu has joined #smartos[11:03:13] *** bixu has quit IRC[11:20:30] *** bixu has joined #smartos[11:24:55] *** bixu has quit IRC[11:52:12] *** rodgort has quit IRC[11:55:39] *** rodgort has joined #smartos[12:02:31] *** bixu has joined #smartos[12:07:18] *** bixu has quit IRC[12:45:20] *** bixu has joined #smartos[12:45:28] *** david0xffea has joined #smartos[12:49:39] *** bixu has quit IRC[12:57:49] *** knweiss has quit IRC[13:06:38] *** bixu has joined #smartos[13:11:07] *** bixu has quit IRC[13:27:06] *** jamesd__ has joined #smartos[14:10:34] *** bixu has joined #smartos[14:14:54] *** bixu has quit IRC[14:34:45] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[14:35:19] *** jamesd_ has joined #smartos[15:14:00] *** darjeeling has joined #smartos[15:14:38] *** bixu has joined #smartos[15:18:53] *** bixu has quit IRC[15:36:21] *** sebi has joined #smartos[15:39:29] <sebi> Hi everyone. I am using the smartosstandard64:1.0 image for testing right now and I have issues with ssh for the first time. publickey Authentication does not work. I copied the authorized_keys file via scp, chmod 600, but I cannot ssh into that vm. checked /etc/ssh/sshd[15:39:48] <sebi> checked /etc/ssh/sshd_config and root login without password is allowed[15:40:17] <sebi> but still, I get Permission denied (gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,publickey) when using ssh[15:41:47] <sebi> when I ssh into another virtual machine (older image) with the same authorized_keys file, it works like a charm[15:43:24] <Licenser> sorry I've never played with smartosstandard[15:43:29] <Licenser> trentster you're around mate?[15:46:55] <sebi> thx Licenser, I just hang around and wait if someone else has an idea[15:47:16] <Licenser> yea it's not prime time for people around here :)[15:47:47] <sebi> I'm in a different time zone (CET+2), so I cannot complain :D[15:48:22] <Licenser> Yea I'm from europe too[15:48:42] <sebi> ah ok[15:56:47] *** bixu has joined #smartos[16:01:10] *** bixu has quit IRC[16:30:38] <sebi> has anyone used the netatalk-2.2.1nb1 pkg available in smartos? I just can't get it to work. I once compiled it from source, that worked but was a pain in the a$$ to handle.[16:31:09] <sebi> are there perhaps missing dependencies for the package? anything I have to install with pkgin?[16:31:12] <Licenser> again no sorry[16:31:15] <sebi> :D[16:31:26] <Licenser> see I'm here a lot but I know little ^^[16:31:32] <killfill> what cpu are you guys using with smartos?..[16:32:02] <killfill> xeons X3xxx and E5xxx?.. i guess thats the typicals?[16:35:03] <sebi> depends on what you are going to do killfill. If you do not need KVM (like me), you can even go with AMD[16:37:13] <Licenser> E5606 is mine[16:37:23] <Licenser> works pretty well and stabe[16:42:19] <sebi> IF you can choose, go for dual xeon E5-26xx and a lot of RAM[16:44:35] <Licenser> sebi those are the 6 core ones?[16:49:01] <killfill> Licenser: what do you run on that 5606?[16:49:45] <Licenser> not much atually 1 mailserver VM, my blog, my dataset server, the entire project fifo stuff, a friend runs his own VM (ubuntu) for a website there[16:55:40] <Z``> are xeons better than i7?[16:59:13] <Licenser> Z`` xeons are server CPU's i7 are desktop CPU's. so in theory Xeons should be better for server kind of load[16:59:18] <Licenser> also you can dual cpu them ^^[16:59:25] <Z``> ok[17:00:11] <killfill> Licenser: yours is dual?[17:00:15] <Licenser> yea[17:00:28] <Licenser> the second one was dirt cheep on eaby I had to buy it :P[17:06:55] <killfill> Noboady sells xeons 5xxx in here.. :S[17:07:27] <Licenser> heh[17:13:26] <killfill> ok.. smartos booted fine.. it was sdc that didnt yesterday.. guess its becouse of just having 1 nic[17:19:59] <sebi> Licenser: they are mainly 8-core, but some are 6-core.[17:20:19] <Licenser> ah yea[17:20:42] <sebi> killfill: the problem with i7 is that you cannot use ECC RAM in 90% of the case. But ECC is essential for ZFS Data Integrity, so never opt out of that[17:21:10] <sebi> If you wanna go cheap, go E3-1200 v2 single cpu[17:21:18] <sebi> But those max out at 32GB of RAM[17:21:59] *** bixu has joined #smartos[17:22:00] <killfill> oh[17:22:03] <killfill> greate[17:22:10] *** bixu has quit IRC[17:25:16] <killfill> sebi: seem to have a good price[17:29:21] <sebi> added bonus: E3-1200 v2 is Yvi Bridge 22nm based, which gives those a lower TDP[17:29:50] <Z``> if i assign 2 gb in a guest, will smart os assume that those 2 are occupied ? or it could let some of that ram be used by another guest ?[17:29:56] <Z``> of ram*[17:32:29] <killfill> hm.. i had the impresions e56xx were faster than E3-1200, but they are cheaper.. at least on ebay.. :P[17:33:31] <Licenser> e56 arent exactly the newest ones[17:38:29] <killfill> aah E3 = new E3000's, and E5 = new E5000's ... i guess the old ones are cheaper becouse of old.. :P[17:39:02] <Licenser> heh[17:43:13] *** bixu has joined #smartos[17:44:11] <Licenser> but I'm kind of not sure what CPUI's are the best fit for SmartOS, if IO is the bottleneck a powerfull CPU won't do you much good[17:47:30] *** bixu has quit IRC[17:47:43] <Licenser> if anyone is interested there is a new dev version of fifo with a few of the featreus 0.2.0 will come with available: http://release.project-fifo.net/0.2.0dev/[18:04:42] *** bixu has joined #smartos[18:08:37] *** bixu has quit IRC[18:27:06] <sebi> Does anyone have experience with building packages with pkgsrc? I just read a little about it, but what would be helpful would be a tutorial. I want to build netatalk 2.2.3 package which would solve my problem. 2.2.1 provided by joyent does not support mDNSresponder.[18:42:05] *** david0xffea has quit IRC[18:48:24] *** bixu has joined #smartos[18:50:45] <wesolows> have you read the pkgsrc book at netbsd.org?[18:50:56] <sebi> I can answer my own question now with: http://wiki.joyent.com/display/jpc2/Building+your+Own+Packages[18:50:59] <sebi> thx wesolows[18:51:03] <wesolows> ok, cool.[18:52:41] *** bixu has quit IRC[19:09:06] *** bixu has joined #smartos[19:13:18] *** bixu has quit IRC[19:26:58] *** Licenser has quit IRC[19:31:40] *** Licenser has joined #smartos[19:51:06] *** bixu has joined #smartos[19:55:28] *** bixu has quit IRC[20:02:30] *** deirdres has joined #smartos[20:33:41] *** bixu has joined #smartos[20:38:12] *** bixu has quit IRC[20:55:30] *** bixu has joined #smartos[21:00:06] *** bixu has quit IRC[21:12:48] *** dysinger has joined #smartos[21:13:28] <dysinger> 'allo. I'm trying to PXE boot smartos inside virtualbox. VirtualBox's PXE server dies @ 32mb so loading boot_archive fails. Anybody have any ideas for me?[21:14:19] <dysinger> I guess I'm sort of out of easy options....[21:14:41] <dysinger> It would have been cool to try PXE with virtualbox's built in DHCP/PXE service for guests.[21:37:37] *** bixu has joined #smartos[21:42:14] *** bixu has quit IRC[21:52:02] <jperkin> ah is that the issue? I tried it ages ago but didn't figure out why it failed[21:52:30] <dysinger> Yeah it loads anything under 32mb just fine[21:52:47] <dysinger> anything over 32mb and it just chokes and the client either timesout or hangs[21:53:00] <dysinger> tested it with tftp-ha client on ubuntu to make sure that was the issue[21:53:29] <dysinger> I get "disk error 25" after the kernel loads when it's trying to load boot_archive[21:54:16] <dysinger> == sucks. wanted to play with a couple pxe booted instances.[21:58:51] *** bixu has joined #smartos[22:03:42] *** bixu has quit IRC[22:22:38] *** knweiss has joined #smartos[22:35:13] <dysinger> so in solaris jumpstart you can give the kernel an install_media=http://xy.z type argument to get it to load stuf over http instead of tftp[22:35:26] <dysinger> does anybody know if there is the equiv in illumos ?[22:35:38] * dysinger goes to grab the kernel source I guess[22:35:40] <richlowe> Not really.[22:35:46] <dysinger> darn[22:35:51] <dysinger> that would have been easy[22:35:58] <richlowe> Or, rather, I suspect there is, but it won't really work how you want[22:36:05] <richlowe> wanboot is still there, but it's also still a pain in the ass[22:36:23] <richlowe> and sparc-specific, as before[22:36:32] <richlowe> Some folks were hoping to get ipxe working (konobi, LeftWing)[22:36:38] <richlowe> which would do what you wanted, but I don't know if they ever fully succeeded.[22:36:46] <dysinger> I want like this http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/821-0439/gazva/index.html[22:37:10] <dysinger> with a nfs or http option for loading boot_archive[22:37:27] <dysinger> oh well[22:37:29] <richlowe> Right, you notice how in that setup it's not loading the archive over http?[22:37:35] <richlowe> ipxe _can_ load the archive over http (and the kernel, too)[22:37:47] <richlowe> but it only sort of worked, you'd need konobi or LeftWing to remember how much got fixed.[22:37:55] <richlowe> it turns out we don't implement multiboot entirely correctly.[22:38:00] <dysinger> gotcha[22:38:22] <dysinger> I am 0 for 1 this weekend pxe booting any illumos into virtualbox instances. :([22:39:30] *** sebi has quit IRC[22:40:20] <dysinger> I'm wanting the virtualbox option for smartos (even though I can only have zones) as a way to do dev on a mac (on smartos) and deploy to joyent sdc.[22:41:00] <dysinger> It would have been really slick to pxeboot 'nodes' in virtualbox[22:41:54] <dysinger> maybe it's still possible with an external tftpd-hpa & dnsmasq installed on the host.[22:41:58] <dysinger> but that's more complicated.[22:42:42] <bdha> dysinger: Why does it need to be PXE? Why not just boot off the USB stick or CD ISO?[22:42:54] <bdha> dysinger: The stable storage should be another virtual disk anyway.[22:43:02] <bdha> The boot media is immaterial.[22:43:19] <dysinger> yeah. I am wanting the node to be automatically provisioned without interaction.[22:43:28] <dysinger> so I need to modify some scripts[22:43:35] <dysinger> otherwise I'd just boot the ISO[22:44:20] <dysinger> I dunno. I'm just trying to figure it out. :)[22:44:44] <dysinger> If you have racks of the same machine, you wouldn't want to answer the same questions over and over about which disk to use for zone pool etc.[22:44:58] <bdha> Well... once you have the hypervisor booted, you can do all your dev in non-global zones, which will persist.[22:45:08] <bdha> Sure.[22:45:25] <bdha> I see what you mean now.[22:45:26] <dysinger> yes on each smartos node yes zones get persisted to the zone pool on that node[22:45:35] <bdha> But you do that dev without PXE.[22:45:39] <dysinger> but I am trying to envision whole racks of smartos nodes coming up[22:45:51] <bdha> Yeah, sorry, I didn't get the problem you were trying to solve was provisioning the compute nodes.[22:45:54] <dysinger> by simulating it in virtualbox[22:45:58] <dysinger> with PXE[22:46:18] <bdha> Yeah, but the boot method is besides the point... the privisoning piece is what you what to modify.[22:46:24] <bdha> I could be missing another point. :)[22:46:31] <bdha> Need to go feed the family.[22:46:32] * bdha &[22:46:37] <dysinger> np[22:46:39] <dysinger> cheers[22:56:44] *** halldorh has joined #smartos[23:05:38] *** deirdres has quit IRC[23:07:27] <nahamu> setting up the external PXE server shouldn't be that hard.[23:08:35] <nahamu> I documented how to do it in a SmartOS zone in the wiki.[23:09:07] <nahamu> You could simulate having a rack where one of them boots off the ISO/USB and runs a PXE server for the rest of the rack.[23:09:28] <nahamu> (just like SDC does it)[23:15:16] *** knweiss has quit IRC[23:16:14] <dysinger> yeah I was just trying to avoid the external dependency for a desktop w/ virtualbox[23:31:01] *** denizr has joined #smartos[23:33:40] <nahamu> huh?[23:34:16] <nahamu> what external dependency?[23:35:08] <nahamu> or were you trying to keep yourself to a single, PXE booted Vbox instance?[23:37:21] <dysinger> yes[23:37:49] <dysinger> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j5nn7vcrqktwvvl/VirtualBox%20TFTP%20Fail%20at%2031.9MB.png fun times[23:41:49] *** Orpheus has quit IRC[23:49:11] *** denizr has quit IRC[23:50:07] *** dysinger has quit IRC