[00:00:59] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 1a0f1e5.. Lincoln Baxter, III Updated error messaging
[00:00:59] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/2cba8b0...1a0f1e5
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[01:11:48] <lightguard_jp> bbl
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[03:28:10] <jbossbot> git [jms] push develop c1317d2.. Jordan Ganoff Small fix for testsuite readme instructions
[03:28:10] <jbossbot> git [jms] push develop 9edde80.. Jordan Ganoff Fixed typo in logging message when sending messages via MessageManagerImpl.
[03:28:10] <jbossbot> git [jms] push develop fad0367.. Jordan Ganoff [SEAMJMS-55] Updated RouteTest to use specific queue instead of an assumed-to-exist DLQ.
[03:28:11] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJMS-55] RouteTest fails on JBoss AS 7 [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Jordan Ganoff] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJMS-55
[03:28:11] <jbossbot> git [jms] push develop 4e4cc99.. John Ament Merge pull request #15 from jganoff/develop...
[03:28:11] <jbossbot> git [jms] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jms/compare/02d99e4...4e4cc99
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[03:43:52] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop ba387d1.. Cody Lerum use lists so that EmailMessage is more compat with JSF
[03:43:52] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop 0bde490.. Cody Lerum Merge branch 'progress' into develop
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[07:13:42] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: ping
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[07:27:53] <lightguard_jp> No Brian tonight?
[07:31:48] <clerum> lightguard_jp: I can try and create a repo page for SEAM-99 in my crm project
[07:31:50] <jbossbot> jira [SEAM-99] java.lang.IllegalStateException: BaseTransaction.checkTransactionState - thread is already associated with a transaction! [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAM-99
[07:32:01] <clerum> I spent a couple hours tracking it down to that level
[07:32:51] <clerum> might help you figure out a test to expose it
[07:33:04] <clerum> basically I think you are looking for an exception in the restore phase
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[07:51:22] <lightguard_jp> clerum: What if you did a phaselistener and threw an exception during the restore phase?
[07:51:42] <lightguard_jp> Byteman would also work
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[07:56:14] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: pong
[07:57:07] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: SEAMFACES-215 still a problem or is possibly a symptom of SEAMFACES-210?
[07:57:08] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-215] Regression with ViewConfig where Security Rules are not respected anymore [Reopened (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-215
[07:57:09] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-210] ViewConfigExtension should throw RuntimeException if having Security Annotation but no Security extension [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-210
[07:58:12] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: I thought sbryzak fixed 215, and clerum says it works for him, but oranheim (name?) re-opened it with a test case he says fails
[07:58:23] <bleathem> 25 is to make sure this never happens again
[07:58:33] <bleathem> s/25/120/
[07:58:35] <bleathem> argh
[07:58:39] <bleathem> s/25/210/
[07:59:12] <bleathem> ie. a silent failure of the @Requires causing all application securtiy to stop being enforced
[07:59:39] <bleathem> so 210 needs to be implemented (or at least a warning in the logs)
[08:00:02] <bleathem> and 215 is supposed to have been fixed, but someone uploaded a test case demonstrating the failure
[08:00:15] <bleathem> /end
[08:02:03] <lightguard_jp> oranheim is Ove Ranheim in QE
[08:02:22] <lightguard_jp> Okay, so we need to verify if 215 is still broken
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[08:04:57] <lightguard_jp> Hm... Well, fixing 210 will more than likely end up blowing up with a CNFE
[08:08:44] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: I agree CNFE
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[08:11:34] <lightguard_jp> CNFE is a checked exception?!
[08:11:38] <lightguard_jp> WTF
[08:11:41] <bleathem> no way!
[08:12:13] <bleathem> throw a CNFE, catch in, wrap it in a RE, and throw that
[08:12:18] <bleathem> /kidding
[08:13:00] <bleathem> how about NoClassDefFoundError
[08:13:29] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: https://pastee.org/tyyar ?
[08:13:31] <lightguard_jp> For 210
[08:14:14] <lightguard_jp> Need to write a test for that... hrm
[08:14:49] <bleathem> can we not do it in one of the existing loops?
[08:14:59] <lightguard_jp> I don't think I can test that with embedded weld though
[08:15:05] <bleathem> so we don't introduce yet another loop?
[08:15:21] <bleathem> opening forge
[08:15:29] <bleathem> s/forge/faces/
[08:15:31] <lightguard_jp> No, there's only more for loop
[08:15:36] <lightguard_jp> inside the if
[08:16:27] <lightguard_jp> It's a bit of an optimization though, so we're only adding the for loop if we don't find the SecurityBindingType class from the classloader
[08:16:59] <lightguard_jp> I think I could optimize the search a bit more though so we're not doing it as often.
[08:17:21] <bleathem> i see a spot for it
[08:17:23] <bleathem> one sec
[08:17:59] <bleathem> https://github.com/seam/faces/blob/develop/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/faces/view/config/ViewConfigExtension.java#L69
[08:18:29] <bleathem> just store a boolean at the start of the method, indicating whether the Seam Security class was found
[08:18:47] <bleathem> hmm
[08:19:44] <bleathem> another option, to be more type safe, is to ask the BeanManager for the faces SecurityPhaseListener class
[08:20:00] <bleathem> if the beanmanager doesn't have it, then it's because the @Requires wasn't satisfied
[08:20:17] <bleathem> course, then we couldn't do it in the extension
[08:20:46] <bleathem> we'd have to do it in the ViewConfigStore
[08:20:52] <bleathem> which wouldn't be horrible
[08:21:46] <bleathem> right here: https://github.com/seam/faces/blob/develop/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/faces/view/config/ViewConfigStoreImpl.java#L62
[08:23:44] <lightguard_jp> I'd prefer to do it in the extension.
[08:23:53] <lightguard_jp> That way it fails fast
[08:24:24] <lightguard_jp> No need to spin up the whole app just to get the exception when you navigate to a secured page.
[08:24:39] <bleathem> no, it would still be at startup
[08:24:49] <bleathem> ViewConfigStore is Application scoped
[08:25:01] <bleathem> no wait
[08:25:07] <bleathem> it would be on the firwst page visited
[08:25:49] <bleathem> the nice thing about querying the BeanMnager for the SecurityPhaseListner, is the @Requires defines the Security class tring in only one place
[08:26:12] <bleathem> but, tests should protect against that I guess
[08:26:29] <bleathem> if it gets changed in only one place, the tests would fail
[08:26:53] <bleathem> gotta take out the trash
[08:27:25] <lightguard_jp> https://gist.github.com/1315602
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[08:32:52] <bleathem> loking
[08:33:00] <bleathem> why the import?
[08:33:51] <lightguard_jp> Um
[08:34:07] <lightguard_jp> Left over
[08:35:06] <bleathem> otherwise looks find
[08:35:11] <bleathem> s/find/fine/
[08:35:15] <lightguard_jp> Okay, updated the gist w/o the import
[08:35:16] <bleathem> k, nite
[08:35:23] <lightguard_jp> okay, good night
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[10:48:42] <oranheim> how can I obtain a reference to the jar-file of an Arquillian deployment? i need to inspect the deployment content (listing)?
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[11:41:00] <oranheim> Seam Faces includes Seam Transaction API, shouldn't it be excluded by default?
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[17:10:38] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop c85cee8.. Cody Lerum update velocity to 1.7
[17:10:38] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/0bde490...c85cee8
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[17:40:03] <edburns> pmuir: Hello Pete, are you here?
[17:43:44] <pmuir> hi edburns
[17:43:48] <edburns> pmuir: Hello there.
[17:44:08] <edburns> pmuir:  I was about to file a request in the JIRA for CDI 1.1, but I want to check with you first.
[17:44:12] <pmuir> sure
[17:44:27] <pmuir> if you want, we can discuss on #jsr346 which is the official channel
[17:44:42] <edburns> pmuir: Dan Allen filed an issue on JSF (JAVASERVERFACES_SPEC_PUBLIC-721) essentially asking ...
[17:44:47] <edburns> Ok, I'll do that
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[18:46:32] <jbossbot> git [core] push master a58d2ac.. Lincoln Baxter, III FORGE-14
[18:46:33] <jbossbot> jira [FORGE-14] forge install-plugin fails with ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.commons.cli.UnrecognizedOptionException [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Lincoln Baxter III] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-14
[18:46:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/1a0f1e5...a58d2ac
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[19:09:37] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 31de266.. Lincoln Baxter, III Plugins correctly use their OWN ClassLoader when executing (HELL YEA\!)
[19:09:37] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/a58d2ac...31de266
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[20:33:30] <alex5771> hi
[20:33:50] <alex5771> seam-mail doesnt seem like incluaded in seam3 distro?
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[21:11:18] <clerum> alex5771: what version?
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[21:14:25] <clerum> alex5771: I see it in 3.1.0.Beta4.zip
[21:16:01] <bleathem> sweet, got my jboss IRC cloak!
[21:16:22] <clerum> cloak?
[21:16:27] <clerum> like a cape?
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[21:17:15] <bleathem> no, so when you info me on IRC, it says: redhat/jboss/bleathem
[21:17:21] <clerum> oh gotcha
[21:17:24] <bleathem> but a cape would be cooler!
[21:17:27] <clerum> much
[21:17:41] <clerum> bleathem: any thought to an enum converter in seam faces?
[21:17:59] <bleathem> i think there is an open issue on that
[21:18:10] <clerum> I know there was an entity one
[21:18:20] <clerum> if there is I'll do a pull for this one I just made
[21:18:26] <bleathem> jason just implemented an object converter
[21:18:40] <bleathem> sure, that pull request would be appreciated!
[21:19:56] <clerum> did he do it as a tag?
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[21:20:03] <clerum> <s:convertEntity>
[21:20:16] <bleathem> one sec
[21:20:36] <clerum> ah I found the commit
[21:20:45] <bleathem> that's what I was going for
[21:20:53] <bleathem> ended up on githib.com by accident
[21:21:21] <clerum> <s:objectConverter>
[21:21:22] <clerum> k
[21:21:27] <bleathem> the pull request sums it up nicely
[21:21:28] <bleathem> https://github.com/seam/faces/pull/60
[21:22:21] <clerum> yep
[21:22:22] <clerum> perfect
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[21:23:43] <clerum> I'll try to get that in before beta5
[21:23:55] <bleathem> cool!
[21:24:37] <clerum> just wasted 3 hours figuring out that the standard enum converter in jsf doesn't apply if the submitted value is a list
[21:25:08] <clerum> every day jsf makes a little more sense
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[21:25:18] <bleathem> err, less sense maybe?
[21:25:22] <bleathem> ;)
[21:25:37] <clerum> more sense for the chaos
[21:25:39] <clerum> from the
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[21:25:51] <bleathem> at least your making progress, I'm really stumped by the DnD issue
[21:26:11] <clerum> better way to put it would be that it seems like less is happening by magic
[21:26:27] <clerum> I've never even looked that those components (DnD)
[21:26:45] <clerum> so the js resources just aren't being served?
[21:27:29] <bleathem> 2/3 the scripts are being served
[21:27:49] <clerum> and can't find a diff between them and then other 1/3?
[21:27:49] <bleathem> the 3rd is not (only being served in client mode)
[21:27:59] <clerum> ah
[21:28:04] <bleathem> the script is being generated server side
[21:28:11] <bleathem> just not included/rendered in the browser
[21:28:18] <bleathem> digging in
[21:28:22] <bleathem> but it's a deep hole
[21:28:47] <clerum> if you hit china you've gone too far
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[22:01:29] <lightguard_jp> How's everyone doing?
[22:01:32] <lightguard_jp> jharting: ping
[22:01:44] <jharting> lightguard_jp: pong
[22:01:50] <jose_freitas> hey lightguard_jp!
[22:02:21] <lightguard_jp> jharting: Do you have anything in the REST module for transaction handling / integration with Seam Transactions?
[22:03:00] <jharting> lightguard_jp: no
[22:05:37] <lightguard_jp> jharting: Okay, thanks. What we're thinking of doing to fix SEAM-99 won't mess up anyone using JSF and REST then.
[22:05:40] <jbossbot> jira [SEAM-99] java.lang.IllegalStateException: BaseTransaction.checkTransactionState - thread is already associated with a transaction! [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAM-99
[22:05:45] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: How's it going?
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[22:06:20] <jose_freitas> good! you?
[22:06:35] <jharting> lightguard_jp: ok, thanks for info
[22:09:41] <clerum> lightguard_jp: so if we are getting an exception in the restore phase on SEAM-99
[22:09:42] <jbossbot> jira [SEAM-99] java.lang.IllegalStateException: BaseTransaction.checkTransactionState - thread is already associated with a transaction! [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAM-99
[22:09:56] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: Doing well
[22:09:57] <clerum> it's not rolling it back and just lets it timeout?
[22:10:04] <clerum> as I was thinking
[22:10:17] <lightguard_jp> clerum: I believe that's what is happening.
[22:10:24] <clerum> k
[22:10:32] <clerum> that jives with what I wa seeing
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[23:06:07] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/31de266...a58d2ac
[23:06:27] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: too early for a vanity commit
[23:07:12] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: i had to roll back a bunch of changes that broke everything :(
[23:07:20] <lightguard_jp> doh
[23:07:33] <lincolnthree> modularity is hard
[23:07:38] <lincolnthree> it's soo easy to break
[23:07:44] <lincolnthree> (because of the modularity)
[23:07:46] <lightguard_jp> I bet
[23:07:48] <lincolnthree> not to break modularity itself
[23:07:51] <lightguard_jp> Great when it works
[23:08:18] <lightguard_jp> Shall we wait a bit for people to get here?
[23:09:28] <clerum> sure
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[23:09:39] <lightguard_jp> There's one of them :)
[23:09:42] <kenfinnigan> hey all
[23:09:48] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Hey Ken.
[23:09:56] <kenfinnigan> hey Jason
[23:10:06] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: how's the new job treating you?
[23:10:16] <kenfinnigan> pretty good
[23:10:31] <kenfinnigan> trying to understand the existing code base and learn about portals and portlets all out once!
[23:10:53] <lightguard_jp> That's a lot to take in at once.
[23:10:58] <kenfinnigan> yep
[23:11:13] <kenfinnigan> has meeting started?
[23:11:22] <lightguard_jp> No, we'll wait another few minutes for people to show up
[23:13:20] <lightguard_jp> Well, this is probably everyone that's going to come.
[23:13:29] <lightguard_jp> #startmeeting
[23:13:30] <jbott> Meeting started Wed Oct 26 21:05:02 2011 UTC.  The chair is lightguard_jp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
[23:13:30] <jbott> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
[23:13:49] <lightguard_jp> Welcome everyone to the weekly Seam Community Meeting!
[23:14:16] <lightguard_jp> Firstly, sorry for not having them the past couple of weeks.
[23:14:58] <lightguard_jp> I was out of town and Shane has been busy getting things ready for the release that recently happened.
[23:15:03] <lightguard_jp> On that note
[23:15:09] <lightguard_jp> #topic 3.1.0.Beta4 Released!
[23:15:09] *** jbott changes topic to "3.1.0.Beta4 Released!"
[23:15:29] <lightguard_jp> I think people saw on the list we released 3.1.0.Beta4 yesterday
[23:15:48] <lightguard_jp> #info A huge thank you to all those who helped with the release
[23:16:00] <lightguard_jp> #info we squashed 68 issues with that release!
[23:16:08] <kenfinnigan> nice
[23:16:41] <lightguard_jp> I've heard from lincolnthree, and I think others have the same feeling we're steadily increasing the stability of Seam 3 with each release.
[23:17:19] <lightguard_jp> This is certainly good news.
[23:17:45] <lightguard_jp> #info I believe the testsuite is in place for all the modules now, so that should make creating tests much easier.
[23:19:41] <lightguard_jp> #info our cloudbees account has been updated to FOSS Premium so we should be able to get things working nicely on CloudBees!
[23:20:12] <lightguard_jp> #help Are there any with lots of Hudson / Jenkins experience that can lend a hand with setting things up?
[23:20:57] <lightguard_jp> I think George has some, I may need to ping him. Also some of our QE people could probably help.
[23:21:29] <lightguard_jp> Does anyone have questions about 3.1.0.Beta4?
[23:21:34] <kenfinnigan> nope
[23:21:48] <lightguard_jp> Okay then, moving on
[23:21:53] <lightguard_jp> #topic 3.1.0.Beta5
[23:21:53] *** jbott changes topic to "3.1.0.Beta5"
[23:22:08] <lightguard_jp> #info We're planning on doing another Beta in a couple of weeks.
[23:22:24] <lightguard_jp> #info this will be Beta5 and we're hoping to continue with the progress we've made in Beta4.
[23:22:32] <jharting> lightguard_jp: RE cloudbees, please drop an email in the qe mailing list, someone will certainly help
[23:22:58] <lightguard_jp> #info we need module leads to go through JIRA and add to the 3.1.0.Beta5 version issues you believe we can accomplish.
[23:22:58] <kenfinnigan> for Beta5 is it still bug fix and no new features?
[23:23:08] <lightguard_jp> jharting: Great, thanks!
[23:23:41] <lightguard_jp> We've been adding features in Beta4, probably not many, but there have been some, so I'm okay with continuing to add.
[23:23:47] <kenfinnigan> ok
[23:24:52] <lightguard_jp> #link https://issues.jboss.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=12315989 Is a list of all open issues for Seam 3. There are currently 403 :)
[23:25:15] <kenfinnigan> is that without a version, or just everything that's open?
[23:25:40] <lightguard_jp> #link https://issues.jboss.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=12315993 is a filter for all outstanding 3.1.0.Beta5 issues
[23:25:48] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Everything that's open
[23:26:36] <lightguard_jp> #link https://issues.jboss.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=12314291 the filter Shane did for all open issues for the remaining 3.1.0 release(s)
[23:26:47] <kenfinnigan> is there a date for Beta5 yet?
[23:26:47] <lightguard_jp> 48 of those
[23:27:02] <kenfinnigan> or depends on issue resolution
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[23:27:18] <lightguard_jp> #info we're looking to do Beta5 in a couple of weeks. I don't think we have a firm date yet though.
[23:27:58] <lightguard_jp> Depending on how things go, I could also see us targeting the release for something around Thanksgiving here in the US.
[23:28:11] <kenfinnigan> ok
[23:28:32] <lightguard_jp> I don't know if we can knock out another 68 issues, but I'd sure like to see us try :)
[23:29:01] <lightguard_jp> I know all the community people are busy, but we certainly love any help you can lend for helping us resolve issues.
[23:29:31] <kenfinnigan> will hopefully have some time shortly to work on i18n and possibly others
[23:29:49] <lightguard_jp> Great!
[23:30:17] <lightguard_jp> I think we should do the next Hack Night again squashing bugs, that seemed to work well.
[23:30:50] <kenfinnigan> sounds good
[23:31:00] <lightguard_jp> Everyone else like the idea?
[23:31:17] <clerum> +1
[23:31:50] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I think we'll do that.
[23:32:05] <lightguard_jp> #agreed next Seam Hack Night will be focusing on issues for 3.1.0.Beta5
[23:32:13] <lightguard_jp> Spread the word :)
[23:33:14] <lightguard_jp> I actually don't have anything further for the meeting. I did have some questions about some issues I'm going to be looking at
[23:33:43] <kenfinnigan> do we want to postpone any further DWG meetings until an announcement is made from the Seam.Next calls that happened last week?
[23:34:33] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, that's a good idea.
[23:34:48] <clerum> speaking of all those 403 jiras...do we have any triage process?
[23:34:58] <kenfinnigan> and should I not worry about the module error API for a 3.2 and beyond release until we know what's happening?
[23:35:11] <lightguard_jp> I don't think we'll be changing anything that would require a DWG meeting.
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[23:36:08] <kenfinnigan> lightguard_jp: so I should still put a poc together?  wasn't given we don't know what code structure things might have post the decision
[23:36:26] <kenfinnigan> that should be "wasn't sure" as opposed to "wasn't"
[23:36:59] <kenfinnigan> ok, need to dash, mayhem ensuing in house!
[23:37:01] <lightguard_jp> Yes, we'll hold off
[23:37:10] <kenfinnigan> if I'm needed for anything else just email me
[23:37:13] <kenfinnigan> ciao
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[23:37:37] <lightguard_jp> Anyone have questions about the next Beta?
[23:39:58] <lightguard_jp> Guess not.
[23:40:04] <lightguard_jp> quick meeting
[23:40:31] <lightguard_jp> Thanks everyone for coming out! I'm looking forward to our next release, I hope you are too :)
[23:40:46] <lightguard_jp> #endmeeting
[23:40:55] <lincolnthree> sorry lightguard_jp, on tech support call
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[23:40:59] <jbott> Meeting ended Wed Oct 26 21:32:19 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
[23:40:59] <jbott> Minutes:        http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-10-26-21.05.html
[23:40:59] <jbott> Minutes (text): http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-10-26-21.05.txt
[23:40:59] <jbott> Log:            http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-10-26-21.05.log.html
[23:41:04] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: np
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