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[00:49:55] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 7644127.. Lincoln Baxter, III Plugins are working again
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[01:10:05] <sbryzak> clerum: yes we need to update the bundled distribution
[01:10:17] <sbryzak> clerum: just let me know the list of docbook filenames you want to include
[01:10:26] <clerum> k I'll pop you an email
[01:10:32] <sbryzak> thanks
[01:10:37] <clerum> how long do I have before you start the beta 4 release
[01:15:29] <clerum> ?
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[01:22:06] <johnament> can someone join teamspeak?
[01:22:35] <johnament> ok, i think stuartdouglas just responded
[01:22:48] <stuartdouglas> yep
[01:23:00] <johnament> do you typically sound like a robot?
[01:23:11] <stuartdouglas> maybe
[01:23:17] <johnament> i'm not sure if it's my machine or the software.
[01:23:19] <stuartdouglas> I have not talked to many robots :-)
[01:24:07] <clerum> sounds like something a robot would say
[01:24:29] <stuartdouglas> gah, my secret is out
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[01:29:43] <johnament> wow, the number of errors that teamspeak is throwing out is ridiculous
[01:30:54] <stuartdouglas> personally I prefer Skype :-)
[01:31:51] <johnament> me too
[01:33:52] <johnament> ok, hopefully i'm back by 9pm.
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[02:16:29] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: ping
[02:16:47] <stuartdouglas> sbryzak: hey
[02:16:50] <sbryzak> hey stuart
[02:16:57] <sbryzak> do you think we should rename seam-beans.xml to something else?
[02:17:07] <sbryzak> now that solder isn't a seam project
[02:17:16] <stuartdouglas> probably yes
[02:17:25] <sbryzak> any ideas?
[02:17:29] <stuartdouglas> but I would probably hold of for a bit in deciding on the name
[02:17:30] <sbryzak> config-beans.xml ?
[02:17:44] <johnamen_away> solder's not a seam project?!
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[02:17:54] <sbryzak> it's a top level jboss project now
[02:17:59] <johnament> congrats, i think
[02:18:09] <sbryzak> because it's used in a lot of other jboss projects
[02:18:15] <johnament> oh?
[02:18:28] <sbryzak> errai, infinispan, switchyard (i think)
[02:21:31] <sbryzak> bleathem: ping
[02:21:43] <sbryzak> clerum: is the mail-sendmail example operational?
[02:22:31] <sbryzak> bleathem: likewise, do faces-viewaction and faces-viewconfig examples work?
[02:22:40] <sbryzak> i need to know if they should be included in the distribution
[02:23:11] <clerum> sbryzak: no, in fact it has been removed
[02:23:39] <sbryzak> clerum: no problem.. so are there any mail examples currently?
[02:23:48] <clerum> so I plan on just doing it in the docs
[02:23:58] <clerum> it really doesn't make a ton of sense to have an example for it
[02:23:59] <sbryzak> that's fine
[02:24:16] <clerum> I want to have it integrated into a larger example
[02:24:27] <sbryzak> sure, that sounds like a good idea
[02:25:12] <clerum> sbryzak: at what point where you thinking of doing the Beta4?
[02:25:14] <clerum> Friday?
[02:25:29] <sbryzak> i'm waiting on QA to finish migrating the testsuite structure
[02:25:37] <sbryzak> so i'm hoping that's done by the weekend
[02:25:44] <clerum> ok
[02:25:51] <clerum> so I have another two days or so to work on docs
[02:25:52] <johnament> so the new testsuite structure
[02:26:02] <johnament> clearly i've missed a few things in the last few weeks
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[02:27:04] <johnament> is this roughly my original proposal to use arquillian config to control which containers run with our tests?
[02:27:21] <sbryzak> johnament: the new structure uses profiles
[02:27:34] <johnament> w/ arquillian config per container?
[02:27:45] <sbryzak> it's a lot simpler than some of the earlier structures we were considering
[02:27:55] <sbryzak> we discussed it with aslak though, and he recommend we do it this way
[02:28:48] <sbryzak> the arquillian config can support multiple containers
[02:28:50] <sbryzak> https://github.com/seam/solder/blob/develop/testsuite/src/test/resources/arquillian.xml
[02:29:13] <johnament> right
[02:29:23] <johnament> I think that's what I was telling you guys originally :-)
[02:29:49] <sbryzak> probably :)
[02:29:58] <johnament> ok
[02:30:02] <johnament> so is AS7 required?
[02:30:05] <sbryzak> one thing i didn't want was a complex pom hierarchy
[02:30:15] <sbryzak> only for the as7 tests
[02:30:17] <johnament> w/ 8 subprojects?
[02:30:25] <johnament> so here's my issue (still)
[02:30:47] <johnament> hornetq is pushing back on supporting message listeners in EE containers
[02:31:18] <johnament> it works in AS6, but not in AS7.
[02:31:35] <johnament> and pushing back in the sense that it works, but if there's an issue they will ignore it
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[02:31:50] <johnament> which per the JMS spec is allowed to be ignored
[02:32:45] <sbryzak> ok.. so you're saying that even though we might have tests for AS7, they might fail because of hornetq
[02:32:58] <johnament> they will fail with hornetq
[02:33:09] <johnament> QA has already indicated as such and assigned issues to me.
[02:33:40] <johnament> under the old test suite structure
[02:33:41] <sbryzak> such as SEAMJMS-55 ?
[02:33:43] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJMS-55] RouteTest fails on JBoss AS 7 [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJMS-55
[02:33:47] <johnament> yep
[02:33:52] <sbryzak> ok, i'm with you
[02:33:59] <sbryzak> so can that test be made to work with AS7?
[02:34:00] <johnament> glad you searched for it
[02:34:07] <sbryzak> or will it never work?
[02:34:08] <johnament> no
[02:34:13] <johnament> it will never work.
[02:34:17] <johnament> the problem's a classloader issue.
[02:34:20] <sbryzak> ok, so we disable that test for AS7
[02:34:28] <johnament> well
[02:34:35] <johnament> you can do that
[02:34:58] <johnament> the issue though is that most use cases where your app is on the same server as the JMS Provider, you'll run into classloader issues
[02:35:16] <johnament> which is what SEAMJMS-55 is indicating
[02:35:17] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJMS-55] RouteTest fails on JBoss AS 7 [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJMS-55
[02:35:37] <johnament> it was an issue i identified to the HQ folks months ago
[02:36:17] <johnament> I'm in a quandry because i need to tell people that Seam JMS Is gimped in AS7.
[02:36:21] <sbryzak> but they don't want to fix it?
[02:36:38] <johnament> JMS spec  says they don't have to fix it
[02:37:02] <johnament> it's an odd place though.
[02:37:25] <johnament> AS6 provided two JNDI connection factories, one for EE apps and one for SE apps.
[02:37:49] <sbryzak> it seems like a serious issue that an app wouldn't be able to run on the same container as the JMS provider
[02:38:01] <johnament> no, it's a certain use case
[02:38:13] <johnament> setup a SE message listener inside an EE container.
[02:38:24] <sbryzak> ah, got it
[02:38:36] <johnament> if the message fired is an object message, then the serialized object can't be read due to a classloader violation.
[02:38:41] <sbryzak> how common is that use case?
[02:39:32] <johnament> don't know, however the event model in seam jms relies on this behavior.
[02:39:56] <johnament> since the fired CDI event is serialized over a JMS queue/topic
[02:40:06] <sbryzak> hmm, so because of the event bridge feature it won't run on AS7?
[02:40:15] <johnament> yes
[02:40:17] <johnament> however
[02:40:29] <sbryzak> that is a problem...
[02:40:33] <sbryzak> are there no workarounds?
[02:40:43] <johnament> if you setup an external SE app to run the message listener, it'll work.
[02:40:59] <sbryzak> that doesn't seem convenient at all
[02:41:04] <sbryzak> to force our users to do that
[02:41:20] <johnament> depends on what the use case looks like.
[02:41:25] <johnament> i only have 1 confirmed seam jms user that isn't me.
[02:41:35] <johnament> and he's only using resource injection
[02:41:50] <sbryzak> ok, so we need to document this
[02:42:09] <sbryzak> make it clear, that if you want to use the JMS event bridge that you need to run an external process to do it
[02:42:17] <johnament> there may be a few more workarounds.
[02:42:18] <sbryzak> this is only on AS7 right?
[02:42:21] <johnament> yes
[02:42:31] <sbryzak> ok, so we put it in as a caveat for AS7
[02:42:37] <sbryzak> until the issue is resolved (if ever)
[02:43:07] <sbryzak> as long as the instructions are clear, then we can be satisfied that we've done as much as we can
[02:43:09] <johnament> i'm thinking that if the class of the event  were in a library in AS7, rather than embedded in your deployment archive, it'll resolve correctly
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[02:43:27] <johnament> i just haven't figured out a way to make arquillian do that.
[02:44:02] <sbryzak> possibly, but we can't expect our users to install jar files that contain just their event classes into the AS7 libs
[02:44:14] <sbryzak> seems like an extreme workaround
[02:45:27] <johnament> personally
[02:45:50] <johnament> I think jboss is ending up not very competitive because of this issue.  this use case works fine on weblogic, websphere
[02:46:30] <johnament> glassfish as well.
[02:46:41] <johnament> and the glassfish openmq lead is the jms 2 spec lead
[02:47:28] <sbryzak> i agree, but we don't have control over the hornetq team
[02:47:34] <sbryzak> perhaps i can escalate this issue
[02:47:34] <johnament> i know.
[02:47:43] <sbryzak> i'll talk to rodney about it
[02:47:55] <sbryzak> could you e-mail me some more details?
[02:48:04] <sbryzak> specifics about the exception, a stack trace if you have one, etc
[02:48:13] <johnament> Yeah, i'll get the jms 1.1 spec together and note which sections it runs into issues with
[02:48:23] <sbryzak> great, thanks
[02:48:34] <johnament> i'll find the old AS7 and Hornetq issues I created.
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[04:02:34] <bleathem> sbryzak: pong (belated)
[04:07:41] <sbryzak> bleathem: heya
[04:07:48] <sbryzak> did you see my questions about the seam faces examples?
[04:08:07] <bleathem> no, I'll look in the backlog
[04:08:31] <bleathem> they worked at one point
[04:08:44] <bleathem> I haven't looked in a while (since befoer the big Seam refactoring)
[04:09:27] <sbryzak> no problem, i'll test them and if they work ok i'll include them in the distribution
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[05:47:42] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop 3e060c1.. Cody Lerum implement varags contact methods
[05:47:42] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop 9a60152.. Cody Lerum doc improvements
[05:47:42] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop 585f57d.. Cody Lerum Merge branch 'develop' of ../mail into develop
[05:47:43] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/a2ac418...585f57d
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[08:17:37] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master a5f3f68.. Shane Bryzak added mail chapters to bundled documentation
[08:17:37] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/e8c0081...a5f3f68
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[09:45:20] <mehdi_> Hi guys, has anyone here had experience using Seam and ExtJS ?
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[14:52:45] <hannelita_> sbryzak ping
[14:53:04] <sbryzak> hannelita_: pong
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[14:55:51] <hannelita_> sbryzak i`ll be sme minutes late for teamspeak meeting
[14:56:08] <sbryzak> hannelita_: no problem, do you know how long exactly?
[14:56:33] <hannelita_> i think 10 minutes
[14:56:57] <sbryzak> ok, i'll let the other guys know
[14:57:23] <hannelita_> ok, sorry by that
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[14:59:39] <gastaldi> it will be placed 7 hours from now ?
[15:01:54] <sbryzak> gastaldi: i had you down for 9 hours from now, but you can join the one in 15 minutes if you like
[15:02:05] <sbryzak> jose_freitas: ping
[15:02:11] <gastaldi> ah yeah, 9 hours
[15:02:12] <gastaldi> ok
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[15:08:36] <sbryzak> clerum: we're holding the discussion at 10 past
[15:08:47] <clerum> ok
[15:08:57] <sbryzak> so in about 10 minutes from now
[15:09:08] <clerum> I'm just glad I didn't forget
[15:13:38] <jose_freitas> sbryzak: I shane, I can't join the meeting now
[15:13:55] <sbryzak> jose_freitas: no problem
[15:14:08] <jose_freitas> sorry
[15:14:22] <sbryzak> it's fine :)
[15:14:29] <jose_freitas> the meeting is in 9h?
[15:14:29] <sbryzak> just thought i'd check
[15:14:34] <jose_freitas> I thought it was on 21th
[15:14:34] <sbryzak> yep, 9h from now
[15:14:45] <jose_freitas> ok
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[15:21:25] <jose_freitas> 21st*
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[15:21:59] <jose_freitas> but it's better if it's today. so, great!
[15:26:35] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push develop 8f5548b.. Marek Schmidt SEAMWICKET-46 testsuite structure update
[15:26:36] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMWICKET-46] testsuite structure update [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Marek Schmidt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMWICKET-46
[15:26:36] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/wicket/compare/9c4907f...8f5548b
[15:27:58] <gastaldi> lol, the meeting could be placed in Portuguese since the majority are Brazilian
[15:28:58] <gastaldi> s/are/is
[15:32:29] <jose_freitas> sbryzak: I'll log in to hear the meeting. I cannot speak though, so I'll participate again tonight, with an input device.
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[15:41:53] <gastaldi> the meeting seems to be rocking
[15:42:11] <gastaldi> pmuir: Will you attend on the next schedule ?
[15:42:25] <pmuir> yes
[15:42:31] <pmuir> all except the 2am my time one
[15:42:33] <pmuir> ;-)
[15:44:29] <gastaldi> cool
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[15:59:58] <hannelita> hey all
[16:00:04] <hannelita> I'm in a noisy place
[16:00:12] <hannelita> i'll email you with my thoughts
[16:00:24] <clerum> sound good
[16:01:51] <clerum> gastaldi: Portuguese might be an issue for me :-)
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[16:32:26] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop fa44e9e.. Cody Lerum add note about AS7.0.x config
[16:32:26] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/585f57d...fa44e9e
[16:44:21] <clerum> why does a  @Stateful @ConversationScoped bean not complain when it is not serializable
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[16:54:29] <clerum> nm I found it in 8.4
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[17:11:21] <clerum> pmuir: if you are around I had a small weld question on #weld
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[18:56:17] <pmuir> hannelita: pog
[18:56:20] <pmuir> hannelita: pong ;-)
[18:56:23] <pmuir> sorry was out
[18:57:09] <hannelita> pmuir: Np, I just wanna say I've sent my feedback :) Just saw your answer! Thanks!
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[21:32:02] <gastaldi> hey antoine_sd !
[21:32:47] <antoine_sd> hi gastaldi
[21:33:05] <antoine_sd> i just realized i've missed the meeting about seam.next
[21:33:16] <antoine_sd> because of timezone
[21:33:28] <jose_freitas> you can join ours in 3h
[21:33:33] <jose_freitas> or 4h?
[21:33:37] <jose_freitas> lemme check
[21:34:03] <jose_freitas> 3h
[21:34:09] <jose_freitas> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20111021T08&p1=47
[21:34:15] <jose_freitas> antoine_sd ^
[21:35:44] <antoine_sd> I'll try but it's a bit late thanks jose_freitas
[21:38:19] <pmuir> antoine_sd: we had one now
[21:38:21] <pmuir> for you
[21:38:33] <pmuir> but i can't make teamspeak work
[21:38:38] <pmuir> do you want to do hangout
[21:39:08] <antoine_sd> I think I'm connected but a bit alone ;-)
[21:40:42] <antoine_sd> in fact the meeting was 5:30 (Brisbane TZ) on the 20th
[21:41:11] <antoine_sd> It was yesterday 9:30pm for me :-(...
[21:41:26] <antoine_sd> ok for hangout
[21:42:05] <antoine_sd> pmuir you launch it ?
[21:42:22] <pmuir> antoine_sd: on it
[21:45:34] <pmuir> antoine_sd: try that
[21:46:01] <antoine_sd> i'm joigning
[21:46:09] <antoine_sd> trying to
[21:47:53] <pmuir> hehe
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[22:07:59] <antoine_sd> need a CDI guru to have best practice on Cdi Extension testing
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[22:10:00] <gastaldi> antoine_sd: you got pmuir right over there :)
[22:10:24] <pmuir> gastaldi: this pmuir needs to go eat dinner ;-)
[22:10:25] <antoine_sd> yeah but we were talking about politic
[22:10:35] <gastaldi> :)
[22:10:42] <antoine_sd> my good pmuir is human !
[22:10:47] <antoine_sd> don't believe it
[22:11:00] <gastaldi> lol
[22:12:41] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[22:13:03] <jose_freitas> I bet it was a really interesting conversation
[22:13:44] <antoine_sd> yes it was
[22:14:15] <lincolnthree> hey antoine_sd, did you get my latest email? :)
[22:14:41] <antoine_sd> yes I got it lincolthree
[22:15:06] <antoine_sd> I'm glad to have you and Al at home
[22:15:09] <lincolnthree> antoine_sd: ok cool :) ps. also joined the social group
[22:15:18] <lincolnthree> antoine_sd: awesome! i am looking forward to meeting you again
[22:15:24] <lincolnthree> I know andrew feels the same
[22:15:56] <antoine_sd> We're programmed to meet each year in november I think
[22:16:04] <lincolnthree> Let's hope ;)
[22:16:10] <lincolnthree> Are you going to Devoxx again btw?
[22:16:44] <antoine_sd> Not sure yet, but it's very likely
[22:16:59] <lincolnthree> awesome! i just booked my flights
[22:17:24] <antoine_sd> The place and hotel are book but I have to win it
[22:17:33] <antoine_sd> with a blog post
[22:18:22] <lincolnthree> ahhh cool
[22:20:07] <antoine_sd> yeah I wrote a nice post on JPA and had 1100 hits in 1 week
[22:20:44] <lincolnthree> antoine_sd: good blogs are hard to find
[22:20:54] <antoine_sd> but now there is this colleague with his post on Play! and he got 575 hits in 2 days
[22:21:14] <antoine_sd> I'm a bit afraid to loose the contest and the place to Devoxx
[22:21:19] <lincolnthree> Write a post on migrating from Spring to Java EE, then give it a really bad title
[22:21:39] <lincolnthree> like, "10 Real Life ways to Migrate from Spring to Java EE"
[22:21:48] <lincolnthree> post on DZone and TheServerSide.com
[22:22:17] <lincolnthree> did you dzone your blog yet?
[22:22:25] <antoine_sd> My blog post are quite good (I'm very modest you know) but their main default is that they're written in french
[22:22:34] <lincolnthree> ah yes
[22:22:37] <antoine_sd> no french post on DZone
[22:22:59] <antoine_sd> I have a to of post I'd like to translate in englih
[22:23:07] <antoine_sd> but it's very time consuming
[22:23:24] <lincolnthree> ;/
[22:23:29] <antoine_sd> and I'm only good in frenglish
[22:24:00] <lincolnthree> :p
[22:25:19] <antoine_sd> BTW pmuir is not eating. He's posting on Java social Mailing List
[22:25:34] <pmuir> he's actually writing a google doc with mbg ;-)
[22:26:49] <antoine_sd> when he'll have 5 min he could send me some info on testing cdi extension with arquillian you think ?
[22:27:42] <antoine_sd> lincolnthree will you have a lot of new nice features on Forge for Devoxx ?
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[22:30:43] <lincolnthree> antoine_sd: not sure what's new at this point
[22:30:48] <lincolnthree> new plugins for sure
[22:30:51] <lincolnthree> you've probably seen them though
[22:31:21] <antoine_sd> yes I played with some of them last week
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[22:34:36] <pmuir> antoine_sd: whats up with testing?
[22:36:12] <antoine_sd> I have to increase my test cover and have an extension which prepare a lot of things. So I'm looking how to integrate it in my test suite
[22:37:19] <antoine_sd> I was wondering if there war some kind of best practice to unit test CDI extension
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[22:43:22] <antoine_sd> I know that I asked something stupid to pmuir when I hear the wind and see rolling bushes as if I was in a ghost town ;-)
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[22:55:54] <mbg> antoine_sd: no, I think that think that he actually went eating
[22:56:09] <mbg> #LessSpectacular
[22:56:21] <antoine_sd> :-)
[22:57:05] <antoine_sd> ok, and i'm gone sleep : have an early meeting tomorrow morning
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[22:59:06] <mbg> lincolnthree: the only way to migrate from Spring to Java EE is by using the Seam Spring extension
[22:59:11] * mbg ducks
[22:59:19] <lincolnthree> mbg prove that
[22:59:39] <mbg> lincolnthree: prove what?
[22:59:58] <lincolnthree> prove that it's the only way
[23:00:27] <mbg> lincolnthree: I see what you did there
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[23:12:19] <gastaldi> I need a CDI expert too ! :)
[23:12:49] <gastaldi> I ran into an issue when refactoring Seam Reports
[23:13:01] <gastaldi> Can anyone help me on this ?
[23:16:38] <gastaldi> nevermind, just fixed it
[23:16:39] <gastaldi> :)
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[23:23:35] <gastaldi> and... here we go !!!
[23:23:42] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop f6bc22f.. George Gastaldi SEAMREPORTS-28: Major refactoring on Seam Reports
[23:23:43] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMREPORTS-28] Make Output annotations as qualifiers [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, George Gastaldi] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMREPORTS-28
[23:23:43] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/e3332d6...f6bc22f
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[23:31:14] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop cf8c2bd.. George Gastaldi Renamed class to match @Default qualifier
[23:31:14] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/f6bc22f...cf8c2bd
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[23:36:46] <jbossbot> git [reports] push 3.1.0.Beta3 URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/5bde084...0000000
[23:36:56] <jbossbot> git [reports] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/9bf5faa...0000000
[23:38:33] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop 81f9d0d.. George Gastaldi Merge pull request #33 from LightGuard/feature/doc_work...
[23:38:33] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/cf8c2bd...81f9d0d
[23:41:06] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 8e96c53.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed metawidget build
[23:41:07] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 860bbe2.. Lincoln Baxter, III Scaffold uses most up to date versions, metawidget broken
[23:41:07] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/7644127...860bbe2
[23:41:29] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop fd8fec8.. George Gastaldi Fixed docs
[23:41:29] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/81f9d0d...fd8fec8
[23:42:24] <gastaldi> ok, now I am done with Seam Reports :)
[23:42:28] 
[23:42:29] <gastaldi> :D
[23:42:49] <gastaldi> Can any of you guys join TeamSpeak so I can test my mic ?
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[23:45:04] <sbryzak> gastaldi: sure, one sec
[23:47:25] <gastaldi> Thanks !
[23:49:20] <clerum> OK apparently I haven't run into this before
[23:49:36] <clerum> EmailContact is an Interface
[23:49:46] <clerum> public MailMessage from(EmailContact emailContact) ------------ works fine
[23:50:29] <clerum> when sending in an object that impements EmailContact such as User
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[23:50:56] <clerum> but public MailMessage from(Collection<EmailContact> emailContacts) throws a complier error if I send it a List<User> users
[23:51:45] <clerum> is that right?
[23:52:03] <gastaldi> of course
[23:52:13] <gastaldi> you need Collection<? extends EmailContact>
[23:52:19] <gastaldi> if User implements EmailContact
[23:52:35] <clerum> ah I hate myself
[23:52:38] <gastaldi> :)
[23:52:39] <clerum> I know that
[23:52:45] <gastaldi> no problem
[23:52:48] <clerum> I've just been banging my head in the table
[23:52:57] <gastaldi> I ran into this sometimes also :D
[23:53:04] <clerum> 7 am seam call messed up my whole day :-)
[23:53:07] <gastaldi> lol
[23:53:40] <clerum> yeah I'll stick to blaming that
[23:54:46] <gastaldi> ok, eight minutes left to meeting
[23:59:38] <jose_freitas> lemme test my microphone, it seems that you cannot hear me





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