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[02:03:33] <mbg> sbryzak: is it ok if I cut the seam-spring release by tomorrow?
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[03:14:21] <sbryzak> mbg: i think we'll be releasing another beta, so that should be fine
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[05:31:30] <gastaldi> hey all !!
[05:31:35] <gastaldi> hey sbryzak !
[05:31:36] <sbryzak> gastaldi: hey!
[05:31:43] <sbryzak> how was your trip?
[05:31:48] <gastaldi> excellent ! :)
[05:31:53] <gastaldi> I love Europe
[05:31:58] <sbryzak> great :)
[05:32:01] <sbryzak> which countries did you visit?
[05:32:12] <gastaldi> France, Swiss and Italy
[05:32:27] <sbryzak> very nice.. which was your favourite place?
[05:32:33] <gastaldi> Switzerland, sorry
[05:32:39] <gastaldi> Switzerland is far the best place
[05:32:50] <sbryzak> really?  what did you like about it?
[05:32:55] <sbryzak> (i've never been there)
[05:33:27] <gastaldi> I recommend it. The Swiss Alps are beautiful
[05:33:44] <gastaldi> I entered into an Ice cave
[05:33:54] <sbryzak> cool, i'll have to go one day
[05:33:55] <gastaldi> And the scenario was splendid
[05:34:01] <sbryzak> i've always wanted to go skiing there
[05:34:09] <gastaldi> Yeah, you should go there
[05:34:29] <sbryzak> well, i need to finish building my house before i can do anything like that ;)
[05:34:31] <gastaldi> In zurich I had the best pizza I ever ate in my life
[05:34:35] <gastaldi> :D
[05:34:39] <sbryzak> serious?  not in italy?
[05:34:58] <gastaldi> yeah, in Italy I got sick of pasta :P
[05:34:59] <sbryzak> best pizza i've ever had was in Bologna
[05:35:08] 
[05:35:25] <gastaldi> I was in Florence, Milan and Rome
[05:35:26] <sbryzak> where did you visit in italy?
[05:35:30] <sbryzak> ah, cool
[05:35:34] <gastaldi> and also the Pisa tower
[05:35:37] <sbryzak> no venice?
[05:35:53] <gastaldi> nah, wish I had enough time to that
[05:35:55] <gastaldi> :(
[05:35:59] <sbryzak> next time :)
[05:36:03] <gastaldi> of course :)
[05:36:11] <gastaldi> I almost met antoine in Paris
[05:36:16] <gastaldi> the Seam Social guy
[05:36:21] <sbryzak> ah, awesome
[05:36:26] <sbryzak> how was that?
[05:36:31] <gastaldi> Paris is awesome
[05:36:40] <sbryzak> yeah i love paris
[05:36:40] <gastaldi> Beautiful city
[05:36:58] <sbryzak> i wish i could have spent more time there
[05:37:07] <gastaldi> I entered into the Arch of Triumph
[05:37:17] <gastaldi> about 1000 steps :P
[05:37:24] <sbryzak> oh, you actually climbed up it?
[05:37:27] <gastaldi> yeah
[05:37:30] <sbryzak> that's so cool
[05:37:33] <gastaldi> pretty cool
[05:37:34] <sbryzak> i hope you got some good photos
[05:37:39] <gastaldi> of course
[05:37:48] <gastaldi> Pretty view of the tower also
[05:37:58] <sbryzak> did they have it lit up at night?
[05:38:01] <gastaldi> Yeah
[05:38:06] <gastaldi> Every hour
[05:38:14] <sbryzak> awesome
[05:38:21] <gastaldi> The best place ever is one called "Quartier Latin"
[05:38:31] <sbryzak> the latin quarter?
[05:38:33] <gastaldi> yeah
[05:38:44] <gastaldi> You have restaurants from all places
[05:38:55] <gastaldi> Greek, italian, you name it
[05:39:19] <gastaldi> and the prices are affordable :D
[05:39:20] <sbryzak> cool, i didn't get to visit there
[05:39:33] <gastaldi> I recommend it next time you go there
[05:39:48] <sbryzak> i'll have to remember that :)
[05:39:52] <gastaldi> :)
[05:40:03] <gastaldi> I love walking at night in there
[05:40:29] <sbryzak> i really loved seeing all the food shops
[05:40:33] <sbryzak> all the delis, etc
[05:40:37] <sbryzak> shops that just sell cheese
[05:40:40] <gastaldi> Just regret not knowning french to explain to a taxi cab where is my hotel
[05:40:53] <sbryzak> heh yeah that can be tricky
[05:41:00] <gastaldi> lol
[05:41:04] <sbryzak> i caught the metro everywhere
[05:41:13] <gastaldi> ah ! I caught the metro in Rome
[05:41:22] <gastaldi> It was awesome and cheaper !
[05:41:48] 
[05:41:50] <sbryzak> yeah it's not bad
[05:41:56] <sbryzak> oh really?
[05:41:59] <gastaldi> yeah
[05:42:14] <sbryzak> i have that trouble sometimes.. that's why i have 2 credit cards from different banks
[05:42:18] <sbryzak> one as a backup
[05:42:24] <gastaldi> the cheese is wonderful in there too.
[05:42:31] <gastaldi> cool, nice tip
[05:42:44] <gastaldi> I got a Travelmoney one
[05:42:48] <gastaldi> Visa
[05:43:00] <sbryzak> i would have thought that should work everywhere
[05:43:10] <gastaldi> yeah, me too
[05:43:20] <sbryzak> weird
[05:43:24] <gastaldi> But it was great
[05:43:26] <sbryzak> so are you back at work tomorrow?
[05:43:30] <gastaldi> yup
[05:43:38] 
[05:43:39] <gastaldi> :)
[05:43:48] <sbryzak> start saving for the next trip ;)
[05:44:08] 
[05:44:18] <gastaldi> Next year or so
[05:44:22] <sbryzak> i think you'd like australia
[05:44:27] <gastaldi> cool
[05:44:35] <sbryzak> but wait until i finish my house so i can be a good host ;)
[05:44:41] <gastaldi> lol ! :D
[05:44:56] <gastaldi> gotta bring a kangaroo in my bag
[05:45:03] <sbryzak> i'll help you catch one
[05:45:06] <gastaldi> lol
[05:45:08] <sbryzak> we've got spares
[05:45:13] <gastaldi> yay  !
[05:45:27] 
[05:45:36] <gastaldi> Aye mate !
[05:45:37] <sbryzak> pretty much
[05:46:08] <gastaldi> so, is the Seam.Next discussion scheduled ?
[05:46:16] <gastaldi> That time is ok for me
[05:46:29] <sbryzak> yep, later this week
[05:46:32] <gastaldi> cool
[05:47:28] <gastaldi> are we having 4 sessions ?
[05:47:47] <sbryzak> yeah, unfortunately with everyone's availability i couldn't make it fewer than that
[05:48:20] 
[05:48:31] <sbryzak> yep
[05:48:35] <gastaldi> cool
[05:48:38] <sbryzak> some mornings i have to get up real early
[05:49:05] <sbryzak> antoine is at 5.30am my time
[05:49:25] <gastaldi> Yeah, mine also, but ahead
[05:50:12] 
[05:50:57] <sbryzak> well i figured since you, hanneli and jose were in the same time zone it would be convenient to have you all in one meeting
[05:51:28] <gastaldi> yeah, that is better, but I can keep awake if necessary
[05:51:42] <gastaldi> Seamers never sleep ! :D
[05:51:59] <sbryzak> that seems so true sometimes ;)
[05:52:06] <gastaldi> lol
[05:52:20] <gastaldi> I have some issues in Seam reports to work on too
[05:52:36] 
[05:52:56] <sbryzak> really? i didn't notice any in the issue list for CR1
[05:53:15] <sbryzak> i'll take care of SEAMJCR-22
[05:53:17] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-22] Seam JCR Documentation issues and comments [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-22
[05:53:20] <gastaldi> cool
[05:54:10] <gastaldi> hum, need to get back on track
[05:55:05] <sbryzak> btw, i'm going to release a beta4
[05:55:12] <sbryzak> and delay CR1 for a bit longer
[05:55:31] <sbryzak> we still have more issues that i'd like to get addressed for the 3.1 release
[05:55:35] <gastaldi> ah cool
[05:59:07] <gastaldi> hum, is Seam Reports making it to the next Seam Release ?
[05:59:21] <gastaldi> or it will be on a future release ?
[06:00:56] <sbryzak> it's included in 3.1
[06:10:20] <gastaldi> ok
[06:11:34] <gastaldi> going to sleep now. See ya later !
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[09:12:08] <jbossbot> git [security] push develop 719bc13.. Shane Bryzak SEAMSECURITY-118
[09:12:10] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSECURITY-118] Seam Security documentation issues and comments [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSECURITY-118
[09:12:10] <jbossbot> git [security] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/9248f18...719bc13
[09:12:51] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master e8c0081.. Shane Bryzak SEAMSECURITY-118
[09:12:51] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSECURITY-118] Seam Security documentation issues and comments [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSECURITY-118
[09:12:52] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/0b90f10...e8c0081
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[10:31:55] <jbossbot> git [security] push develop a8cf08f.. Shane Bryzak SEAMSECURITY-107
[10:31:56] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSECURITY-107] openid-rp fails with IdentityException [Resolved (Done) Bug, Blocker, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSECURITY-107
[10:31:56] <jbossbot> git [security] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/719bc13...a8cf08f
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[11:19:56] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push develop 9c4907f.. Jozef Hartinger SEAMWICKET-44
[11:19:58] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMWICKET-44] HomePageTest fails [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Jozef Hartinger] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMWICKET-44
[11:19:58] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/wicket/compare/5fc31e9...9c4907f
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[12:26:29] <jbossbot> git [remoting] push develop 0252603.. Jozef Hartinger Increase test timeout.
[12:26:29] <jbossbot> git [remoting] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/remoting/compare/8293288...0252603
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[14:40:51] <jose_freitas> hey guys, is there a way to use something like @Startup for a non singleton class?
[14:42:54] <jose_freitas> I'd like to init some data when starting an application, but I don't want to have a useless singleton within the entire application lifecycle.
[14:43:50] <jose_freitas> import.sql is one way out, but I'll consider it as plan b.
[14:48:35] <jharting> jose_freitas: you can listen to @Initialized ServletContext
[14:48:47] <maschmid> jose_freitas: http://docs.jboss.org/seam/3/solder/latest/reference/en-US/html/servlet-events.html#events.application_initialization
[14:55:23] <jose_freitas> that's interesting
[14:55:36] <jose_freitas> thanks guys
[15:03:02] <jose_freitas> Are those qualifiers (@Started, @Initialized) there since solder 3.0.0 ?
[15:03:17] <jose_freitas> jharting, maschmid ^
[15:04:04] <jose_freitas> for webapplication
[15:04:27] <maschmid> jose_freitas: it used to be in seam servlet in 3.0.0
[15:05:09] <jose_freitas> gotcha
[15:05:47] <jose_freitas> I saw 'solder' at url and I thought it was there. thanks
[15:07:34] <maschmid> jose_freitas: yeah, but it is perfectly safe to use Solder 3.1.0.Beta3  ;)
[15:08:31] <jose_freitas> right
[15:08:49] <jose_freitas> so, I could not follow the discussion about those changes in seam
[15:09:00] <jose_freitas> seam-servlet was merged into solder?
[15:09:27] <maschmid> jose_freitas: yup... catch, config and servlet.
[15:11:23] <jose_freitas> and seam-faces and seam-persitence will change hands too? I thought that this wasn't decided yet.
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[15:14:03] <maschmid> jose_freitas: I don't think the solder merge has been decided... it rather seemed to just happen...
[15:17:51] <maschmid> jose_freitas: therefore, AFAIK, nothing has been decided yet and still anything can happen :)
[15:18:06] <jose_freitas> hm, it seems that solder beta3 is not yet in jboss nexus
[15:18:07] <jose_freitas> https://repository.jboss.org/nexus/index.html#nexus-search;quick~solder
[15:18:36] <maschmid> https://repository.jboss.org/nexus/index.html#nexus-search;quick~solder-impl
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[15:29:18] <jose_freitas> thanks maschmid
[15:31:40] <jose_freitas> one more thing
[15:32:17] <jose_freitas> changing the group from org.jboss.seam.solder to org.jboss.solder is meaningful
[15:32:31] <jose_freitas> ?
[15:33:00] <jose_freitas> I'm mean, is the organization trying to get some distance from the "seam" name?
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[17:41:41] <gastaldi> hey all !!
[17:41:50] <clerum> hey
[17:42:07] <clerum> have something to bounce off you in private
[17:42:21] <gastaldi> cool
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[17:51:10] <gastaldi> maschmid: ping
[17:51:16] <maschmid> gastaldi: pong
[17:51:26] <gastaldi> maschmid: how are tests supposed to be run on https://github.com/seam/reports/pull/31 ?
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[17:52:21] <maschmid> "mvn clean verify"   or  "mvn clean verify -Darquillian=jbossas-managed-7" (if JBOSS_HOME is set to an AS7 installation)
[17:53:18] <gastaldi> ok. It ran now. Is this new structure documented somewhere ?
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[17:54:42] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop e3332d6.. Marek Schmidt SEAMREPORTS-27 new testsuite structure
[17:54:44] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMREPORTS-27] testsuite structure update [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Marek Schmidt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMREPORTS-27
[17:54:44] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/acfbdab...e3332d6
[17:55:03] <maschmid> gastaldi: well, kind of... http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/seam-dev/2011-September/004318.html
[17:55:20] <gastaldi> :)
[17:55:41] <gastaldi> It would be nice to have that on jboss.org wiki
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[18:03:51] <maschmid> gastaldi: yes, it would...
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[18:59:55] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: ping
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[19:05:08] <jose_freitas> hey gastaldi
[19:05:20] <jose_freitas> I just wanted to talk with you like 10 minutes ago
[19:05:23] <jose_freitas> how you doing?
[19:05:50] <jose_freitas> we need to put some fire on writting the article
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[19:07:39] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: yeah, I was going to say that ;)
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[19:11:57] <jose_freitas> yeah, I didn't forget
[19:12:26] <jose_freitas> just didn't have the fire to start it, yet.
[19:12:34] <jose_freitas> I've been reading a lot about it though.
[19:12:38] <gastaldi> cool
[19:12:45] <gastaldi> I need to get back on track
[19:12:55] <jose_freitas> did you write something?
[19:13:04] <gastaldi> nope, nothing :(
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[19:13:58] <gastaldi> The topic list is not so clear to me now
[19:16:22] 
[19:16:41] <gastaldi> too slushy ?
[19:21:59] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[19:22:00] <jose_freitas> kinda
[19:22:25] <gastaldi> :)
[19:22:39] <gastaldi> I need some creativity
[19:23:03] <gastaldi> or else the article will be like any other standard java magazine article
[19:23:20] <gastaldi> like crap I mean :)
[19:24:07] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[19:25:13] <jose_freitas> We don't need to rush this call
[19:25:21] <jose_freitas> let's start with the technical parts
[19:25:27] <jose_freitas> topics, I mean
[19:25:54] <jose_freitas> I'd like to start today about configuring datasource with external jdbc drivers today
[19:26:02] <gastaldi> cool
[19:26:20] 
[19:26:41] <jose_freitas> I think that things will come more naturally after writting a couple of days.
[19:27:04] <gastaldi> agreed
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[19:29:01] <gastaldi> :D
[19:29:05] <gastaldi> bleargh
[19:29:16] <jose_freitas> huahuahuahua
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[20:05:49] <gastaldi> koentsje: ping
[20:06:03] <gastaldi> testing JBIDE-9554 now
[20:06:04] <jbossbot> jira [JBIDE-9554] Forge does not recognize "git" in Windows [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Koen Aers] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9554
[20:06:14] <koentsje> gastaldi, hi
[20:06:36] <koentsje> gastaldi, i should have asked here... stupid me :)
[20:07:50] <gastaldi> no problem
[20:11:20] <gastaldi> done
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[20:11:29] <gastaldi> It worked now
[20:12:22] <gastaldi> I already had on my PATH when I opened that issue, I think some later code fixed this behavior
[20:14:17] <gastaldi> Thanks ! ;)
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[21:53:49] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 218b31d.. Tom Cunningham If the groupId of the POM is null, check to see if the POM has a parent...
[21:53:49] <jbossbot> git [core] push master efebad3.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge pull request #63 from cunningt/groupid-fix...
[21:53:49] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/8379f7f...efebad3
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[22:43:07] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop d4a2229.. Marek Schmidt SEAMJCR-23 update the testsuite structure
[22:43:09] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-23] testsuite structure update [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Marek Schmidt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-23
[22:43:09] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop f0c9bbd.. Shane Bryzak Merge pull request #27 from maschmid/SEAMJCR-23...
[22:43:09] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/245d066...f0c9bbd
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