[00:00:17] <bleathem> how do people test SSL issues?
[00:00:29] <bleathem> I need a CA signed certificate
[00:00:44] <bleathem> do I have to go through the trouble of creating my own CA?
[00:00:55] <bleathem> and signing a certificate with that?
[00:01:16] <bleathem> but then I don't have a domain name attached to my local machine
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[00:01:26] <sbryzak> bleathem: i think you can get one for free
[00:01:39] <sbryzak> bleathem: entry in your hosts file
[00:01:39] <bleathem> man this used to be so much easier when I at next to a room of servers :P
[00:01:52] <bleathem> hmm, I wonder if windos has a hosts file
[00:01:57] <sbryzak> it does :)
[00:01:59] <bleathem> or an eaquivalent
[00:02:01] <bleathem> cool
[00:02:15] <sbryzak> but.. aren't you running linux??
[00:02:30] <clerum> if I have Faces 3.1.0Beta 3 and Solder Beta3 why would I get
[00:02:31] <clerum> [org.jboss.seam.faces.exception.CatchExceptionHandlerFactory] (http--127.0.0.1-8080-2) Catch not available, Catch integration disabled
[00:02:43] <bleathem> sbryzak: Windows in a VM
[00:02:50] <bleathem> I'm trying to work out a IE9 ssl issue
[00:02:54] <sbryzak> clerum: oops, perhaps that's a bug
[00:02:56] <bleathem> with the fileupload component
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[00:03:11] <sbryzak> bleathem: good save, i was about to report you to the red hat authorities
[00:03:19] <clerum> yeah wondering if lost during the merge or something
[00:03:31] <sbryzak> clerum: can you please raise a jira issue
[00:03:41] <bleathem> lol
[00:03:46] <maschmid> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-280
[00:03:47] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-280] Incomplete merge of Solder, Catch, Config, Servlet into Solder module [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-280
[00:03:52] * bleathem dodged a bullet there!
[00:04:04] <sbryzak> clerum: can you please add a comment to that issue
[00:04:12] <clerum> https://github.com/seam/faces/blob/3.1.0.Beta3/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/faces/exception/CatchExceptionHandler.java#L39
[00:04:27] <bleathem> OMG TIL Windows has an etc folder!
[00:04:40] <clerum> that requires is killing it
[00:04:45] <sbryzak> clerum: ah, refactoring didn't pick up the @Requires
[00:05:16] <sbryzak> i'll fix it right now
[00:05:38] <clerum> shoud be org.jboss.solder.exception.control.extension.xxxx
[00:05:42] <clerum> k
[00:05:59] <sbryzak> done
[00:06:11] <jbossbot> git [faces] push develop ceb4056.. Shane Bryzak fix incorrect classname
[00:06:12] <jbossbot> git [faces] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/faces/compare/51e3749...ceb4056
[00:06:18] <clerum> hadn't noticed it not working...just saw the log message
[00:06:33] <jbossbot> git [faces] push 3.1.0.Beta3 URL: http://github.com/seam/faces/compare/08b75de...0000000
[00:09:05] <clerum> cool
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[00:16:31] <dabloem_> clerum, was just about to ask the same question about Catch integration disabled
[00:16:45] <clerum> :-)
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[00:50:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 49b81f0.. Paul Bakker added tests and fixed extensions not being written to xml
[00:50:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 9c02dc2.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge pull request #59 from paulbakker/maven-plugin-fix...
[00:50:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/2a76c27...9c02dc2
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[01:49:42] <Diablo-D3> Steve Jobs is dead: http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/
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[02:22:18] <sbryzak> Diablo-D3: you serious??!
[02:22:53] <stuartdouglas> sbryzak: haven't you seen it on twitter yet?
[02:22:57] <stuartdouglas> its everywhere
[02:23:31] <sbryzak> i just saw noel's tweet now
[02:23:38] <sbryzak> and reading it on cnn.com
[02:24:20] <sbryzak> he was so young
[02:24:58] <stuartdouglas> he had been battling cancer for a long time
[02:26:58] <sbryzak> yeah, i had no idea he was losing though
[02:27:10] <Diablo-D3> he mostly covered it up
[02:27:20] <Diablo-D3> I think it was obvious this was the end when he quit in august
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[02:35:38] <bleathem> thanks sbryzak, the windows hosts file has got me one step closer
[02:35:44] <bleathem> now I just need to work out the CA part
[02:36:02] <bleathem> I think I can install the cert itself into the Trusted CA certs of windows
[02:46:04] <jbossbot> git [core] push master be64d8f.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge branch 'master' of github.com:forge/core
[02:46:04] <jbossbot> git [core] push master b5d9160.. Lincoln Baxter, III ScaffoldPlugin should not allow usage until installed
[02:46:04] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/9c02dc2...b5d9160
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[03:17:04] <jbossbot> git [core] push master d51d7f4.. Lincoln Baxter, III Tested last commit
[03:17:05] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/b5d9160...d51d7f4
[03:17:50] <bleathem> sweet, and importing the self-signed certificate as a CA into IE9 worked
[03:18:03] <bleathem> there's blog material in here for sure
[03:20:30] <bleathem> and after all that, I can't reproduce the bug
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[06:49:38] <clerum> sbryzak: ping
[06:50:06] <clerum> bleathem: ping
[06:50:16] <bleathem> clerum: pong
[06:50:54] <clerum> going to hit you privately
[06:56:02] <bleathem> sbryzak: ping
[06:56:17] * Diablo-D3 filters out icmp
[06:56:21] <Diablo-D3> dohohohohoho
[07:11:14] <clerum> sbryzak: I sent you an email
[07:11:38] <clerum> sbryzak: bleathem is aware too
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[07:42:45] <sbryzak> clerum: pong
[07:42:52] <sbryzak> bleathem: pong
[07:44:48] <sbryzak> hmm, ok i've got the e-mails
[07:44:53] <sbryzak> i'll see what i can do
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[08:23:48] <bleathem> sbryzak: pang
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[08:30:21] <bleathem> k I'm out
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[08:55:44] <jbossbot> git [faces] push develop b1de3a5.. Shane Bryzak fixed security extension class name
[08:55:44] <jbossbot> git [faces] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/faces/compare/ceb4056...b1de3a5
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[09:48:00] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop ea48cb1.. Shane Bryzak SOLDER-280
[09:48:01] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-280] Incomplete merge of Solder, Catch, Config, Servlet into Solder module [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-280
[09:48:01] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/rest/compare/9de25c3...ea48cb1
[09:49:56] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 7e0246c.. Shane Bryzak SOLDER-280
[09:49:58] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-280] Incomplete merge of Solder, Catch, Config, Servlet into Solder module [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-280
[09:49:58] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/f6b118e...7e0246c
[09:58:47] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop e79405e.. Shane Bryzak SOLDER-280
[09:58:48] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-280] Incomplete merge of Solder, Catch, Config, Servlet into Solder module [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-280
[09:58:48] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/7e0246c...e79405e
[10:11:33] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop 245d066.. Shane Bryzak updated bom version, fix solder package name, SOLDER-280
[10:11:34] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-280] Incomplete merge of Solder, Catch, Config, Servlet into Solder module [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-280
[10:11:34] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/512ce85...245d066
[10:15:55] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 400ab03.. Shane Bryzak SOLDER-280
[10:15:56] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-280] Incomplete merge of Solder, Catch, Config, Servlet into Solder module [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-280
[10:15:56] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/e79405e...400ab03
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[11:04:30] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push develop fd01cc7.. Shane Bryzak SEAMPERSIST-58
[11:04:32] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMPERSIST-58] Typos in documentation [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Minor, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMPERSIST-58
[11:04:32] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/persistence/compare/2c84af4...fd01cc7
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[11:17:55] * deneme hi.
[11:19:45] <maschmid> deneme: hi!
[11:20:11] <jbossbot> git [remoting] push develop e518995.. Shane Bryzak SEAMREMOTING-46
[11:20:12] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMREMOTING-46] remote.js contains syntax error [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Blocker, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMREMOTING-46
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[14:25:33] * deneme I use PicketLink, and try to write an AuthenticatorImpl which implements Authenticator. In AuthenticatorImpl's authenticate() method, I need some User's password credential to validate the user. Is there a manager class in PicketLink to get a User with spesific username? If not, I will write my own UserBean?
[14:25:44] <deneme> maschmid, sbryzak
[14:26:44] <sbryzak> deneme: if you're using picketlink to manage users, you don't write your own authenticator
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[14:31:27] <deneme> I use Wicket on view side.
[14:31:36] <deneme> so, on form submit:
[14:31:42] <deneme>  protected void onSubmit() {
[14:31:42] <deneme>             try {
[14:31:43] <deneme>             	identity.setAuthenticatorClass(AuthenticatorImpl.class);
[14:31:43] <deneme>                 identity.login();
[14:31:43] <deneme>             } catch (Exception e) {
[14:31:43] <deneme>                 error("Login failed");
[14:31:43] <deneme>             }
[14:31:43] <deneme>         }
[14:32:08] <deneme> So, I learn, I dont need my own Authenticator.
[14:33:56] <sbryzak> that's right, if you're using identity management you don't write an authenticator
[14:34:03] <deneme> But I can not get, where password (comming from login form) and, persisted password (which has been persisted on register form) are comparing to validate user?
[14:35:55] <sbryzak> it's done by IdmAuthenticator
[14:38:21] <deneme> oke let me try
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[15:01:42] <deneme> sbryzak thanks for help. Really cool. It is working with wicket.
[15:03:57] <jose_freitas> sbryzak: ping
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[15:04:54] <sbryzak> deneme: glad it's working for you :)
[15:04:57] <sbryzak> jose_freitas: pong
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[15:19:25] <deneme> sbryzak, how can I load UserAction (for example, firstname, surname) with persisted values?
[15:20:22] <deneme> namely, i need something like identitySession.getPersistenceManager().findUser(). But not just userId. Also i need the other user properties
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[15:22:51] <sbryzak> deneme: i don't quite understand the question
[15:23:22] <sbryzak> to get other user properties, you use the attribute manager
[15:23:32] <sbryzak> identitySession.getAttributeManager() i think
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[15:28:16] <jose_freitas> sbryzak: I'm kinda busy the last 3 weeks and couldn't get along with all the topics mentioned on the meetings
[15:28:45] <jose_freitas> did you decided something about the new path of seam?
[15:29:00] <sbryzak> jose_freitas: no problem, it's a little hard to keep up with everything at the moment :)
[15:29:20] <sbryzak> well, we have a new proposal based on the feedback we've received
[15:29:36] <sbryzak> but we need to get approval from management first before we can present it to the community
[15:29:52] <jose_freitas> ok
[15:30:01] <sbryzak> and also we need to talk to a few other people
[15:30:13] <jose_freitas> so, nothing new  about moving seam persistence to hibernate and seam faces to richfaces?
[15:30:29] <sbryzak> and we'll be discussing it with module leads first before we announce any solid plans
[15:30:36] <sbryzak> well, that's not going to happen now
[15:30:37] <jose_freitas> I liked what antoine said about keeping track of the projects within seam
[15:30:46] <jose_freitas> good
[15:30:48] <jose_freitas> ok
[15:30:52] <jose_freitas> nice to know
[15:31:03] <sbryzak> and we are going to continue the bundled releases
[15:33:20] <jose_freitas> ok, great
[15:33:22] <jose_freitas> thanks sbryzak
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[15:50:52] * deneme re.
[15:50:58] <deneme> Thanks sbryzak, i will try.
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[16:18:54] <jbossbot> git [international] push develop 9fdf24d.. Jozef Hartinger openshift-express profile
[16:18:54] <jbossbot> git [international] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/international/compare/d0c2009...9fdf24d
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[16:34:48] <clerum> anyone farmilar with openshift?
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[16:51:57] <jbossbot> git [security] push develop 4322485.. Jozef Hartinger remove hardcoded dependency
[16:51:58] <jbossbot> git [security] push develop c8f3bec.. Jozef Hartinger openshift-express profile
[16:51:58] <jbossbot> git [security] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/806c941...c8f3bec
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[17:03:07] <deneme> hi, how can i get password some user with picketLink
[17:03:10] <deneme> ?
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[17:04:04] <deneme> sbryzak; do I have to write my own query?
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[17:13:29] * deneme will be right back
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[17:44:42] <clerum> can anyone runnig faces 3.1.0 Beta3 confirm that the redirect to captured url after login doesn't work anymore?
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[19:22:43] <jose_freitas> do we have document that show a set of seam 3 limitations?
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[19:27:57] <clerum> I think that depends on what you view as a limitation
[19:28:07] <clerum> for example?
[19:28:44] <clerum> are we talking lost functionality from seam2 -> seam3?
[19:29:29] <jose_freitas> not exactly, I was thinking more about architectural limitations
[19:31:17] <jose_freitas> maybe we could say that an architectural limitation is that we cannot migrate from seam2 from seam 3 naturally
[19:31:59] <jose_freitas> I mean, I don't know if a developer can migrate it at all? (without rewritting a lot of code)
[19:40:31] <bleathem> jose_freitas: what is a limitation for one application, might not be for another
[19:40:46] <bleathem> rather, you should consider the requirements for a particular application
[19:41:02] <bleathem> and see if Seam 3's feature set is a good fit for that application's requirements
[19:41:52] * bleathem notices his coffee is now at the perfect drinking temperature
[19:42:08] <bleathem> clerum: did you hear back from sbryzak at all?
[19:43:48] <bleathem> .
[19:43:48] <bleathem> .
[19:43:48] <bleathem> .
[19:43:56] <bleathem> Any JAXB experts in the room?
[19:45:24] <jose_freitas> well, but my opinion is that Seam3 as a framework should have a set of limitations.
[19:45:42] <jose_freitas> even that it could be something like: You cannot develop desktop applications
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[19:47:24] <bleathem> jose_freitas: but if your requirement is for a web app, that's not a limitation
[19:47:58] <bleathem> the list of things Seam 3 cannot do is infinite, whereas the list of things it can do is finite
[19:48:25] <bleathem> "Seam 3 cannot grate your cheese" /tongue-in-cheek
[19:49:11] <bleathem> jose_freitas: unless you mean to compare Seam 3 to another specific framework?  Then we could compile a list of deficiencies (and advantages)
[19:49:24] <bleathem> but that marketing route is frought with peril
[19:49:49] * bleathem turns back to frowning at JAXB documentation
[19:54:45] <jose_freitas> I understand what you're saying, actually I'm making a presentation to sell the idea of using Seam, and I was hoping to have a documentation pointing me some limitations. but I guess you're write.
[19:55:49] <bleathem> you could do a slide where you say "if your app requirements are this..., then Seam 3 is a good fit"
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[20:29:28] <clerum> bleathem: nope
[20:29:29] <clerum> I did not
[20:29:46] <clerum> I did see a related commit to faces last night nowever
[20:29:55] <bleathem> he did reply in IRC when I was AFK saying he got the emails
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[20:29:57] <clerum> however
[20:30:13] <clerum> and I'm running the build from git and it appears to be working now
[20:30:19] <bleathem> cool
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[20:30:45] <clerum> but I wonder how the rest should be handled....wait to hear from him in the aussie morning I guess
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[21:36:19] <jbossbot> git [core] push master a770798.. Lincoln Baxter, III style
[21:36:20] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/d51d7f4...a770798
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[22:18:34] <sgilda> there are some broken links on this page: http://www.seamframework.org/Seam2/GettingStarted
[22:19:37] <sgilda> Under "Write your own application", the links to the tutorial, seam-gen, jboss-tools, etc result in 404 Not found
[22:20:54] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 3b1e286.. Lincoln Baxter, III plugins plugin uses setup command
[22:20:55] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/a770798...3b1e286
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