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[00:18:50] <sbryzak> bleathem: your blog draft is well written, i like it
[00:21:03] <bleathem> sbryzak: thanks
[00:21:27] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: did you find out anymore about the joda time dependency?
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[00:24:38] <lightguard_jp> I'm not exactly sure why it's required. It may be a scanning issue, but I doubt it, we use the same thing in other places and it seems to work fine. For the ease of use though, it may just make sense to make it a required dep in faces if for no other reason than to get people away from having to fight with the jdk Calendar / Date classes
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[00:40:21] <jbossbot> git [core] push master bfad656.. Lincoln Baxter, III Added prompt() and promptSecret() with defaults
[00:40:22] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 81a739c.. Lincoln Baxter, III Rest now properly installed
[00:40:22] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 81f4f6c.. Lincoln Baxter, III SEAMFORGE-325
[00:40:23] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-325] Create read-only REST endpoint from Entity [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-325
[00:40:23] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/35c57e4...81f4f6c
[00:42:14] <bleathem> Hmmm, it makes no sense that joda time is required
[00:42:25] <clerum> from international?
[00:42:41] <bleathem> yeah, faces depends on international
[00:42:48] <bleathem> and picks up a joda time requirement
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[00:43:09] <clerum> right
[00:43:11] <bleathem> One gets a ClassNotFoundException if joda time is not included
[00:43:41] <bleathem> I always thought it was an OverEagerClassPathScanning issue
[00:43:53] <bleathem> but lightguard_jp says that issue is behind us
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[00:44:03] <bleathem> and faces is stuck with this joda time dependency
[00:44:48] <clerum> what version?
[00:44:56] <clerum> I'm on 3.1.0 beta2
[00:45:01] <bleathem> that'll do
[00:45:03] <clerum> with faces and international and no joda
[00:45:07] <bleathem> really?
[00:45:15] <bleathem> what app server?
[00:45:16] <clerum> as 6.1 though
[00:45:20] <bleathem> hmmm
[00:45:26] <bleathem> maybe it is OverEagerClassPathScanning
[00:46:43] <bleathem> Overzealous class scanner
[00:46:51] <bleathem> http://sfwk.org/Seam3/CompatibilityHome#H-OverzealousClassScanner
[00:48:25] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Give me maybe 15 minutes to walk the dep tree for classes and we'll find out.
[00:48:39] <bleathem> how do you do that?
[00:48:43] * bleathem is curious
[00:49:59] <lightguard_jp> By hand looking at the imports
[00:50:20] <jamezp> Try tattletale
[00:52:05] <lightguard_jp> True, that would work too
[00:52:32] <lightguard_jp> If anyone would like to find out about tattletale, feel free. Great tool
[00:52:58] <jamezp> Yeah, it's awesome! http://www.jboss.org/tattletale if anyone is curious.
[00:54:04] <lightguard_jp> Tattletale may be the best
[00:54:09] <lightguard_jp> I'm not seeing anything
[00:54:21] <lightguard_jp> I wonder if it's in the logging stuff
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[00:55:04] <bleathem> Is there a Solder annotation that prevents a Bean class from being managed?
[00:55:09] <bleathem> is that what @Veto does?
[00:55:20] <lightguard_jp> International is using @Requires
[00:55:35] <bleathem> sorry, related but seperate issue
[00:55:40] <bleathem> I'm responding to this post:
[00:55:48] <bleathem> http://seamframework.org/Community/Seam3ProductionReady
[00:56:01] <bleathem> I want to suggest he annotate his converters with @Veto
[00:56:16] <lightguard_jp> That may work
[00:56:24] <lightguard_jp> Not sure if it'll screw things up though with EL
[00:56:43] <bleathem> Converters aren't referenced though EL
[00:57:00] <lightguard_jp> No, I guess they aren't.
[00:57:10] <lightguard_jp> As long as Faces knows about them it should be fine.
[00:58:00] <bleathem> ok
[00:58:02] <bleathem> responded
[00:58:12] <bleathem> I'd still like to get down to the bottom of the joda time issue
[00:58:18] <bleathem> I'll look at tattle tale tomorrow
[00:58:45] <lightguard_jp> Still looking
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[00:58:54] <lightguard_jp> Got a few other things to do
[00:59:00] <lightguard_jp> Like comment on Shane's ir2 post
[00:59:06] <bleathem> ok im out
[00:59:07] <bleathem> later all
[00:59:09] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Sorry I haven't responded just yet
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[01:30:36] <lincolnthree> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/SoWhatsHappeningWithSeam#comment22009
[01:32:15] <sbryzak> lincolnthree: nice, thanks for posting that
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[01:32:53] <lincolnthree> sbryzak: np, did you sleep?
[01:33:04] <sbryzak> yeah, but now i feel even more tired
[01:33:17] <lincolnthree> sbryzak: do you want a hug?
[01:33:21] <sbryzak> sure
[01:42:41] <lincolnthree> *hug*
[01:42:53] <lincolnthree> sbryzak: how do I do a redirect from one page on SFWK to another?
[01:46:29] <sbryzak> hmm, i'm not sure
[01:46:31] <jamezp> lincolnthree: Click on a link :-P
[01:46:46] <lincolnthree> jamezp: which link?
[01:46:55] <sbryzak> you could try embedding a redirect in the markup
[01:47:00] <jamezp> lincolnthree: The one.
[01:47:04] <lincolnthree> http://seamframework.org/Documentation/SeamForge
[01:47:05] <lincolnthree> that one
[01:47:06] <lincolnthree> yeah
[01:47:46] <sbryzak> actually, i think that needs to go in the <head>
[01:47:50] <lightguard_jp> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/SoWhatsHappeningWithSeam#comment22011
[01:48:50] <sbryzak> lincolnthree: i suggest a manual redirection
[01:48:56] <sbryzak> just provide a link for the user to click on
[01:49:10] <lincolnthree> sbryzak: yeah, done, thanks
[01:50:20] <sbryzak> lincolnthree: are you getting the design team to replace "Seam" in the logo with "JBoss" ?
[01:50:35] <lincolnthree> right now the current plan is just to use Forge
[01:50:37] <lincolnthree> without any prefix
[01:50:59] <sbryzak> ah, that should be a simple photoshop job then
[01:53:48] <lincolnthree> sbryzak: actually i went one farther and got off SFWK straight to confluence
[01:54:08] <lincolnthree> gets people right in the docs
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[02:01:18] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 704a9ec.. Lincoln Baxter, III Updated links to forge homepage
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[05:44:55] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop a4928b7.. Shane Bryzak refactored logging api into org.jboss.solder.logging package
[05:44:55] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/8685f27...a4928b7
[05:53:55] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: ping
[06:19:25] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: pong
[06:19:40] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: i have a slight problem with the solder testsuite
[06:19:54] <sbryzak> there's a couple of weld-specific tests for catch
[06:20:01] <sbryzak> ExtensionErrorTest and ExtensionTest
[06:20:17] <sbryzak> do you know how we can only get these to run for the weld embedded profile?
[06:23:26] <lightguard_jp> You configure surefire to exclude them in the other profiles
[06:23:45] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Take a look at the pom in the catch repo for the testsuite project
[06:25:37] <sbryzak> ok.. we use <includes> / <excludes> ?
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[06:26:07] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Probably best just to use excludes because everything will be picked up automatically anyway.
[06:26:18] <sbryzak> ok, thanks
[06:31:34] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: i've done that now, but it's still getting compiler errors
[06:31:57] <lightguard_jp> Compile errors? Pastebin?
[06:32:27] <sbryzak> http://pastebin.com/aiLgqcab
[06:34:26] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: package org.jboss.weld.exceptions does not exist ??
[06:35:05] <sbryzak> yes
[06:35:24] <lightguard_jp> Shouldn't that be solder, not weld?
[06:35:41] <sbryzak> i guess it's being pulled into the default profile because of the weld-ee-embedded dependency
[06:35:48] <sbryzak> i don't know, it's your test ;p
[06:36:08] <sbryzak> i think you're testing for a weld DeploymentException
[06:36:23] <lightguard_jp> Ah, okay, got it.
[06:36:35] <lightguard_jp> You need weld as a provided dependency for the testsuite
[06:37:42] <sbryzak> that won't be portable though
[06:38:01] <lightguard_jp> Brian's not here, left awhile ago, darn. I'll have to get up with him later.
[06:38:10] <lightguard_jp> It's not a portable test
[06:38:36] <lightguard_jp> I can't test for portable deployment exceptions because there aren't any.
[06:38:46] <sbryzak> ok, but that will cause problems when we add a profile for openwebbeans
[06:38:52] <lightguard_jp> So for compilation you'll need weld as a provided scope.
[06:39:02] <lightguard_jp> It shouldn't.
[06:39:13] <sbryzak> it will, the test will fail
[06:39:24] <lightguard_jp> We'll just add owb as provided as well, then in the profile for running the tests add owb as test scope.
[06:39:45] <sbryzak> ah, but the test won't be run..
[06:39:57] <lightguard_jp> Not by the weld-ee-embedded profile, no
[06:40:01] <sbryzak> hmm
[06:40:11] <lightguard_jp> And the owb won't run the weld specific tests either
[06:40:30] <sbryzak> ok i'll add weld as a core dependency
[06:41:17] <lightguard_jp> You need to add weld-core as a provided scoped dependency for the testsuite, and in the weld-ee-embedded profile as a test scoped dependency.
[06:41:50] <sbryzak> it's not a problem in the weld-ee-embedded profile
[06:42:01] <sbryzak> because i think it gets pulled in by arquillian anyway
[06:42:09] <lightguard_jp> Probably.
[06:42:20] <lightguard_jp> Well, no, I think you have to add weld.
[06:42:35] <lightguard_jp> at least that's what we've been doing all along.
[06:42:47] <sbryzak> those tests are passing though
[06:42:55] <lightguard_jp> If it's pulled in by the arq container, great, but I don't think it is because we've had to change versions.
[06:42:56] <sbryzak> it's just a problem with the as7 profile
[06:43:22] <lightguard_jp> Right, and they won't pass in the as7 profile, so you need to exclude the weld package from the catch tests in the as7 profile.
[06:43:36] <sbryzak> yep i've done that
[06:44:04] <lightguard_jp> Okay, so it was dying during compilation with the as7 profile?
[06:44:10] <sbryzak> yes
[06:44:13] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 0dd0cbc.. Shane Bryzak added weld-core dependency to fix compiler errors
[06:44:13] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/a4928b7...0dd0cbc
[06:44:17] <sbryzak> the compile now works
[06:44:26] <sbryzak> there's still 2 test failures though, but i think they're unrelated
[06:44:46] <lightguard_jp> Which tests?
[06:45:12] <sbryzak> GenericBeanAlternativeTest
[06:45:41] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, this is what we'll need to do for owb or resin tests as well. We'll need to put the cdi impl as provided scope so everything gets compiled unless you want to configure excluding sources during compilation in the profiles as well.
[06:46:17] <sbryzak> excluding sources sounds messy
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[06:47:35] <lightguard_jp> Yep, I didn't want to go that route either.
[06:50:07] <sbryzak> i'm not sure why this test is failing
[06:52:26] <lightguard_jp> You must have other changes because only one of the tests pass for me when using the as7 managed profile
[06:55:29] <sbryzak> no other local changes here
[06:55:37] <sbryzak> i'm running the tests again
[06:57:34] <sbryzak> yep, just 2 failures
[06:58:23] <lightguard_jp> Odd
[06:58:36] <lightguard_jp> Do you have JBOSS_HOME set?
[06:59:43] <sbryzak> yes
[07:00:18] <lightguard_jp> Yep, that's why it works for you.
[07:00:48] <lightguard_jp> We've been having maven download and extract AS7 in the target directory so users didn't need to worry about that.
[07:00:59] <lightguard_jp> For solder it probably doesn't matter as much.
[07:01:19] <lightguard_jp> Though it may for CI builds, not sure how we'll get those all sorted out.
[07:02:10] <sbryzak> 2 failures in jenkins also
[07:02:20] <sbryzak> so it must be set up correctly
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[07:04:28] <lightguard_jp> Yep, I got two as well.
[07:04:44] <lightguard_jp> org.jboss.solder.test.bean.generic.alternative.GenericBeanAlternativeTest
[07:05:09] <sbryzak> yeah, might need stuart's help to fix it
[07:05:25] <stuartdouglas> uggh generic beans
[07:05:36] <lightguard_jp> lol
[07:05:45] <sbryzak> brings back fond memories?
[07:05:49] <lightguard_jp> Were they not such a great idea?
[07:16:14] <jbossbot> git [core] push master d0b5467.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed process streaming, added 'reset' command
[07:16:14] <jbossbot> git [core] push master de2598d.. Lincoln Baxter, III fixed output timing issue with threaded process streaming
[07:16:14] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/cfada30...de2598d
[07:37:43] <jbossbot> git [core] push master d3a6699.. Lincoln Baxter, III Test failures
[07:37:43] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/de2598d...d3a6699
[07:39:49] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: stuartdouglas looks like it broke on the 21st
[07:40:15] <lightguard_jp> Blue build on the 13th. Next was on the 21st and we've had either yellow or red since then
[07:40:20] <lightguard_jp> http://hudson.jboss.org/jenkins/view/Seam/job/Seam-3.X-solder-CI-jbossas-managed-7/
[07:40:21] <stuartdouglas> was there any solder changes since then?
[07:41:53] <lightguard_jp> Wait, that test was excluded anyway
[07:42:02] <lightguard_jp> Hrm
[07:43:52] <lightguard_jp> Looks like it's been failing for quite a while and it was just excluded from the surefire plugin
[07:44:00] <lightguard_jp> No comment of course as to why.
[07:44:32] <lightguard_jp> I much prefer the @Ignore annotation from JUnit, with a comment as to why the test is being skipped
[07:46:52] <lightguard_jp> Looks like we broke it somehow back on August 22nd (it was merged in on Sept 05).
[07:47:30] <lightguard_jp> I think we may need to ask Marek about it. He originally excluded it back in Aug
[07:49:46] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master 646b8b0.. Shane Bryzak update versions for next release, remove catch, config, servlet modules
[07:49:46] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/a054356...646b8b0
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[07:59:36] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Sorry, I got nothing else, from what I can see it looks like things should be working correctly.
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[09:15:07] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master bfbae49.. Shane Bryzak update container bom version
[09:15:07] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master 1225bb7.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 15
[09:15:07] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/79501b8...1225bb7
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[09:17:14] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Still around?
[09:17:19] <lightguard_jp> Or maybe aslak
[09:17:27] <stuartdouglas> yes
[09:18:03] <lightguard_jp> I want to be able to debug this GenericBeans Test when it uses a managed AS7 instance.
[09:18:16] <lightguard_jp> How do I set things up correctly so that it starts AS7 in debug mode?
[09:21:04] <stuartdouglas> export JAVA_OPTS="-Xdebug -Xnoagent -Djava.compiler=NONE -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,address=5005,server=y,suspend=n -Xmx1024m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m"
[09:21:21] <stuartdouglas> and then start the server manually and use the remote profile
[09:21:48] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master a014a04.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.1.0.Beta3
[09:21:48] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/646b8b0...a014a04
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[09:22:07] <stuartdouglas> or if there is no remote profile use the managed profile and put
[09:22:08] <stuartdouglas> 			<property name="allowConnectingToRunningServer">true</property> into arquillian.xml
[09:22:33] <stuartdouglas> That is the way I do it anyway
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[09:23:09] <stuartdouglas> you can also do it by modifying bin/standalong.conf
[09:23:16] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: What port does it use if you go the arquillian.xml route?
[09:23:26] <stuartdouglas> but I just always have the JAVA_OPTS set in my profile
[09:23:41] <stuartdouglas> address=5005
[09:23:49] <stuartdouglas> whatever you set in java_opts
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[09:25:00] <sbryzak> ah crap, i just screwed up the bom release
[09:25:09] <sbryzak> i forgot to update the solder artifact names
[09:26:06] <stuartdouglas> lightguard_jp: it is also possible to set JAVA_OPTS in arquillian.xml
[09:26:14] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Doh
[09:26:42] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Fix it up, take two :)
[09:26:51] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Are those honored?
[09:26:56] <sbryzak> i can't, i've released it in nexus
[09:26:56] <stuartdouglas> using the javaVmArguments property
[09:27:22] <stuartdouglas> so <javaVmArguments>-Xdebug -Xnoagent -Djava.compiler=NONE -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,address=5005,server=y,suspend=n -Xmx1024m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m</javaVmArguments>
[09:27:51] <stuartdouglas> but personally I have the export JAVA_OPTS="" line in my bash_profile
[09:28:04] <stuartdouglas> so every AS7 instance i start is in debug mode
[09:28:16] <stuartdouglas> and then just start a server manually and connect
[09:28:35] <stuartdouglas> then run the tests using the managed container
[09:28:38] <stuartdouglas> with <property name="allowConnectingToRunningServer">true</property>
[09:28:52] <stuartdouglas> so it just uses my existing server rather than trying to start a new one
[09:33:56] <sbryzak> does anyone know who manages the nexus server?
[09:34:04] <stuartdouglas> paul geir
[09:34:11] <stuartdouglas> I think
[09:34:17] <stuartdouglas> but he would be asleep
[09:34:29] <sbryzak> thanks, i guess i have to e-mail him and ask him to delete the seam-bom
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[09:39:41] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master 2bd0289.. Shane Bryzak fix solder dependencies
[09:39:41] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/fb4e7ee...2bd0289
[09:40:10] <jbossbot> git [dist] push 3.1.0.Beta3 URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/8819b57...0000000
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[09:44:56] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: I'm not getting anywhere with those two failing tests.
[09:45:24] <lightguard_jp> I suggest we mark them with @Ignore for the time being and see if Marek knows what changed or can help us out.
[09:45:24] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: let's leave them for now then
[09:45:37] <sbryzak> i don't quite understand how they're supposed to work
[09:46:10] <sbryzak> i have to wait for the bom to get deleted from the release repository before i can continue the release
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[16:07:53] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop 557a5b5.. Antoine Sabot-Durand RESOLVED - issue SEAMSOCIAL-21: webClient example: no social links...
[16:07:54] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSOCIAL-21] webClient example: no social links displayed on homepage [Resolved (Done) Bug, Major, Antoine Sabot-Durand] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSOCIAL-21
[16:07:54] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop 9a27df2.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Merge branch 'develop' of git at github dot com:seam/social.git into develop
[16:07:54] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/social/compare/9493659...9a27df2
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[20:30:13] <jbossbot> git [core] push master bf33ffd.. Lincoln Baxter, III SEAMFORGE-325
[20:30:14] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-325] Create read-only REST endpoint from Entity [Reopened (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Lincoln Baxter III] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-325
[20:30:14] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/d3a6699...bf33ffd
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[21:22:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 874c970.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fix links in twitter post
[21:22:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/bf33ffd...874c970
[21:27:53] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: http://seamframework.org/Community/RichFaces4AutocompleteDoesNotWork
[21:32:05] <clerum> lightguard_jp: that code shouldn't even deploy
[21:32:22] <clerum> @ConversationScoped beans must implements Serializable
[21:32:25] <clerum> right?
[21:32:31] <lightguard_jp> True
[21:32:44] <lightguard_jp> But it is a SFSB, so maybe that's implied
[21:32:47] <clerum> that makes me question the rest of the code
[21:32:51] <lightguard_jp> Or relaxed for EJBs
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[21:33:27] <clerum> a stateful bean should have to be serialziable3
[21:33:38] <clerum> and I've never seen that implied
[21:33:58] <jose_freitas_> if it's a conversation or session or applicationScoped
[21:35:12] <clerum> makes me question that CDI is even running
[21:35:21] <clerum> and thats why em is null
[21:36:45] <lightguard_jp> Yeah. Good point. If the EM is null, it should have died at deployment
[21:38:34] <clerum> should have failed at deployment because it doesn't implement serialziable
[21:39:08] <clerum> and em should be the only that could be null there
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[21:48:10] <jbossbot> git [core] push master ca17c59.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge pull request #55 from pmuir/sysprops...
[21:48:10] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/874c970...ca17c59
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[22:22:10] <bleathem> lightguard_jp:
[22:22:13] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: ping
[22:22:39] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: in order for "@Inject EntityManager em;" to work, you have to have a producer, correct?
[22:22:50] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: or does Seam Persitence provide that?
[22:23:21] <bleathem> lincolnthree1: shouldn't those foge github pushes be announced on #forge now?
[22:23:27] <bleathem> lincolnthree1: ;)
[22:23:33] <lincolnthree1> we donthave jbossbot
[22:23:47] <bleathem> oh, it's easy, I can give you the instructions
[22:23:51] <bleathem> super-easy
[22:24:08] <bleathem> a one line C&P into github
[22:28:02] * bleathem suspects the "vanity commits" are the real reason lincolnthree1 hasn't changed where the pushes are announced
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[22:44:46] <antoine_sd> ping
[22:50:46] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: back
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[22:51:52] * bleathem methinks it's gonna be a juicy seam-dev meeting today
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[22:53:53] <lightguard_jp> Quite the showing of people
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[22:57:08] <sbryzak> morning guys
[22:57:22] <antoine_sd> evening
[22:58:28] <hannelita> hi all :)
[22:58:35] <jose_freitas> evening
[22:58:51] <bleathem> g'day sbryzak
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[23:01:06] <lightguard_jp> Hey Ken
[23:01:14] <kenfinnigan> Hey Jason
[23:01:45] <lightguard_jp> Okay, shall we start?
[23:01:50] <lightguard_jp> #startmeeting
[23:01:50] <jbott> Meeting started Wed Sep 28 21:00:49 2011 UTC.  The chair is lightguard_jp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
[23:01:50] <jbott> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
[23:01:56] <lightguard_jp> #chair sbryzak pmuir
[23:01:57] <jbott> Current chairs: lightguard_jp pmuir sbryzak
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[23:02:32] <lightguard_jp> jharting: welcome :)
[23:03:01] <jharting> hello
[23:03:33] <lightguard_jp> We've had an interesting couple of days in the Seam Community since the last meeting :) Glad you could all make it.
[23:05:28] <lightguard_jp> I don't want to get too far off track, but does anyone have questions before we get into the main topics for the meeting?
[23:06:38] <lightguard_jp> No questions? Well, makes that easy then :)
[23:06:55] <lightguard_jp> Let's get into the meeting then.
[23:06:57] <lightguard_jp> First up
[23:07:03] <lightguard_jp> #topic logging
[23:07:03] *** jbott changes topic to "logging"
[23:07:11] <lightguard_jp> I know Shane had some questions
[23:07:17] <sbryzak> logging is pretty much sorted out
[23:07:20] <lightguard_jp> Not sure if they were all answered on the mailing list though
[23:07:29] <sbryzak> ken answered my questions via e-mail ;)
[23:07:31] <lightguard_jp> #info see the mailing list
[23:07:34] <lightguard_jp> Perfect
[23:07:36] <kenfinnigan> glad to help
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[23:07:41] <lightguard_jp> Moving along :)
[23:07:47] <sbryzak> fyi, the logging API is now in org.jboss.solder.logging
[23:07:52] <kenfinnigan> cool
[23:07:57] <lightguard_jp> Oh. For those that haven't heard, Ken, would you like to share the news you have?
[23:08:04] <kenfinnigan> sure
[23:08:11] <lightguard_jp> #info Logging API is now org.jboss.solder.logging
[23:08:17] <lightguard_jp> #topic Ken's news
[23:08:18] *** jbott changes topic to "Ken's news"
[23:08:24] <kenfinnigan> From Oct 17th I'll be taking over from Wesley Hales as the Portlet Bridge lead
[23:08:35] <sbryzak> congrats ken!
[23:08:41] <kenfinnigan> sbryzak: thanks
[23:08:50] <lightguard_jp> :) Welcome aboard, glad to have you Ken
[23:08:52] <jharting> kenfinnigan: congrats!
[23:08:52] <bleathem> yay kenfinnigan!
[23:09:11] <kenfinnigan> actually met with Thomas Heute for lunch today as he's in Boston for meetings
[23:09:15] <kenfinnigan> thanks all!
[23:09:24] <kenfinnigan> look forward to working closer with RH engineering
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[23:09:37] <lightguard_jp> They also had a baby not too long ago, seems like there's a trend going on with joining Red Hat and having babies.
[23:09:49] <sbryzak> i think it's a hiring requirement
[23:09:49] <kenfinnigan> yes, now 3 1/2 wks old!
[23:09:55] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: lol
[23:10:23] <lightguard_jp> #topic Jenkins
[23:10:24] *** jbott changes topic to "Jenkins"
[23:10:45] <lightguard_jp> #info I don't have anything to report :( CloudBees has been mum for the last month on this
[23:11:08] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: what are we waiting on exactly?
[23:11:13] <lightguard_jp> #info we're hoping to get something going with OpenShift though. Still waiting to see how that's all going to work.
[23:11:22] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: I can't upgrade to FOSS Pro
[23:11:30] <lightguard_jp> And they haven't upgraded us either
[23:11:37] <kenfinnigan> what features does the Pro version give?
[23:11:49] <sbryzak> should i ping michael neale?  he might be able to forward our request to someone who can help us
[23:12:01] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Essentially an open Jenkins cluster. We can add whatever plugins we want, configure it, etc.
[23:12:11] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Sure, that may help.
[23:12:14] <kenfinnigan> ah ok, so something we do need/want
[23:12:40] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Yep, also gives us more time. From 2500 to almost 6000 minutes
[23:13:15] <lightguard_jp> The way things have been going we won't need it, but if we get into a flurry of commits like we did for 3.0.0.Final we could hit the wall.
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[23:13:57] <lightguard_jp> #action sbryzak will contact Michael Neale and see if he can help move our request along
[23:14:22] <lightguard_jp> I think I'm going to switch the next topics around.
[23:14:32] <lightguard_jp> Are there other questions about Jenkins and CloudBees?
[23:14:38] <kenfinnigan> not from me
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[23:14:51] <lightguard_jp> tsurdilo1: Welcome
[23:15:06] <lightguard_jp> #topic Next Seam Hack Night
[23:15:06] *** jbott changes topic to "Next Seam Hack Night"
[23:15:16] <lightguard_jp> The last hack night, I think went pretty well.
[23:15:30] <lightguard_jp> I still have some code to commit, oops :)
[23:15:38] <lightguard_jp> But I think they're starting to pick up steam.
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[23:16:02] <lightguard_jp> #info we've worked on Security, JCR, and Faces
[23:16:08] <lightguard_jp> What would people like to work on next?
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[23:16:41] <lightguard_jp> Or we could diverge like we talked about last month and cover testing or something similar. How to create tests for Seam and Seam based applications using Arquillian
[23:17:03] <kenfinnigan> that's an idea, not so much hacking on seam, but with seam
[23:17:18] <kenfinnigan> allowing devs to come ask questions in real time knowing that people will be around
[23:17:28] <kenfinnigan> and share code samples, etc
[23:19:20] <lightguard_jp> I thought that it might be a great thing to announce at J1
[23:19:36] <lightguard_jp> Let people know we'll be here to help them understand how to do thing.
[23:19:39] <lightguard_jp> things*
[23:19:47] <kenfinnigan> good idea
[23:19:51] <lightguard_jp> That may be opening a can of worms, but it could also be very helpful.
[23:20:07] <kenfinnigan> would possibly expose some use cases that we're not aware of
[23:20:16] <lightguard_jp> True
[23:21:17] <lightguard_jp> Other ideas?
[23:23:22] <lightguard_jp> Looks like no
[23:23:36] <lightguard_jp> I'm going to suggest we go that route then.
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[23:24:20] <lightguard_jp> #info The next hack night will be a general application help / hack night. We'll be here to help people understand how to use Seam 3 better
[23:24:28] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: aling those lines, do we have a good way of testing CDI in JSF applications yet?  you were having some trouble getting that going - or was that just with the multi-container part
[23:24:30] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: Welcome back
[23:25:06] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Multicontainer and old testsuite structure. I doubt it'll be much of a problem now with the new structure
[23:25:29] <bleathem> ok, good to know
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[23:26:06] <lightguard_jp> #action those attending JavaOne please announce our Hack Night
[23:26:23] <lightguard_jp> #topic 3.1.0.Beta3 Update
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[23:26:29] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: care to say a few things?
[23:26:34] <sbryzak> sure
[23:26:34] <lightguard_jp> About Beta3
[23:26:43] <sbryzak> the Beta3 release is currently underway
[23:26:58] <sbryzak> i did make a little mistake and released the seam-bom before updating some stuff
[23:27:10] <lightguard_jp> I don't think for many modules it will have changed very much from Beta2
[23:27:12] <sbryzak> so i'm just waiting for that to be removed from the nexus repo before i can re-release again
[23:27:29] <sbryzak> once that's done, the remainder of the release will be smooth sailing
[23:27:34] <lightguard_jp> #info We're currently working on the release
[23:27:41] * lightguard_jp crosses fingers
[23:27:42] <sbryzak> most of the modules will require some slight refactoring
[23:27:53] <sbryzak> since solder is now in a new package, and includes catch, config and servlet
[23:27:58] <lightguard_jp> #info small refactors will be done
[23:28:03] <sbryzak> however that won't take too long
[23:28:12] <sbryzak> i'm hoping that the release will be complete by the end of the weekend
[23:28:14] <lightguard_jp> I imagine we'll just take care of those changes, yes?
[23:28:24] <sbryzak> yes, we'll take care of them as we release each module
[23:28:29] <lightguard_jp> Okay
[23:28:43] <sbryzak> i want a short release cycle between beta3 and CR1
[23:28:43] <lightguard_jp> #info hopefully the release will be done by the end of the weekend
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[23:29:06] <sbryzak> so we'll be aiming for mid october for CR1
[23:29:12] <sbryzak> and the final by the end of the month
[23:29:14] <lightguard_jp> Are we going to be doing anything big for CR1 or just bug fixes from the Betas?
[23:29:26] <sbryzak> just bug fixes
[23:29:55] <lightguard_jp> We're planning on adding Mail and Reports?
[23:30:06] <sbryzak> ah yes, we plan to add mail
[23:30:10] <sbryzak> that's still on my to-do list
[23:30:13] <sbryzak> reports is already in
[23:30:18] <lightguard_jp> Okay, great.
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[23:30:47] <lightguard_jp> clerum: Looks like AS7 currently still doesn't have JavaMail, so for testing we'll have to continue with AS6 I think.
[23:30:56] <sbryzak> sorry about the delay with the mail stuff, i've had a lot of on my plate the last couple of days
[23:31:23] <lightguard_jp> I don't know when George will be back and I'm blocked until I'm able to talk to him.
[23:31:30] <lightguard_jp> I can take over help with Mail.
[23:32:20] <lightguard_jp> We're looking at updating the structure, correct?
[23:32:23] <oranheim> lightguard_jp: For Seam Mail you need to configure javax.activation module: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AS7-1375
[23:32:25] <jbossbot> jira [AS7-1375] UnsupportedDataTypeException sending email [Resolved (Done) Bug, Major, Tomaz Cerar] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AS7-1375
[23:32:50] <sbryzak> yes it's mainly structural work that needs to be done for the mail module
[23:32:55] <sbryzak> to bring it inline with the other modules
[23:32:56] <lightguard_jp> I think I'll keep things in my fork until after Beta3.
[23:33:37] <lightguard_jp> oranheim: So can we test on AS7 using arquillian, or do we actually have to tweak the AS a bit (with config)?
[23:34:16] <oranheim> lightguard_jp: you need to configure the javax.activation module as described in the issue. Then you can use arquillian
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[23:37:41] <lightguard_jp> Still reading the issue
[23:38:01] <lightguard_jp> If we can use AS7 then we should get tests to make sure it works :)
[23:38:09] <lightguard_jp> oranheim: Would you mind helping with that?
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[23:39:12] <oranheim> how could i help out here? (i'm a bit off the whole discussion as i just dropped by here)
[23:40:42] <lightguard_jp> If we can get Seam Mail to work on AS 7.0.2 with some tweaks to the deployed test (via jboss-deployment-structure and / or admin commands)
[23:41:46] <oranheim> when the test is run in Jenkins, are we able to patch the as7 instance somehow before arquillan tests are executed
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[23:42:13] <lightguard_jp> I think we'll need to dig a bit more
[23:42:21] <kenfinnigan> oranheim: what would you need to patch?
[23:42:30] <lightguard_jp> #action lightguard_jp and oranheim will dig a bit more into Mail tests for AS7
[23:42:31] <kenfinnigan> is it just modifying the standalone.xml config?
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[23:43:02] <oranheim> lightguard_jp: $JBOSS_HOME/modules/javax/activation/api/main/module.xml
[23:44:42] <oranheim> kenfinnigan: replace module configuration as described in AS7-1375 with "Tomaz Cerar added a comment - 17/Aug/11 4:21 PM"
[23:44:44] <jbossbot> jira [AS7-1375] UnsupportedDataTypeException sending email [Resolved (Done) Bug, Major, Tomaz Cerar] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AS7-1375
[23:44:49] <lightguard_jp> I'd like to see if we can do this with admin commands
[23:44:53] <lightguard_jp> In the test
[23:44:55] <oranheim> lightguard_jp: cool
[23:45:54] <oranheim> I'll can look into the tests and investigate test cases for seam mail
[23:47:04] <lightguard_jp> oranheim: There's not much there. May be better to start a new sandbox
[23:47:34] <lightguard_jp> Other questions people have?
[23:47:39] <kenfinnigan> nope
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[23:48:37] <lightguard_jp> If there aren't any further questions I think that should do it.
[23:49:27] <kenfinnigan> thanks all
[23:49:42] <kenfinnigan> catch everyone later
[23:49:59] <oranheim> cheers
[23:50:02] <lightguard_jp> #endmeeting
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[23:50:16] <jbott> Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 21:49:00 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
[23:50:16] <jbott> Minutes:        http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-09-28-21.00.html
[23:50:16] <jbott> Minutes (text): http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-09-28-21.00.txt
[23:50:16] <jbott> Log:            http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-09-28-21.00.log.html
[23:50:25] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: so was there no question/discussion at all about the infamous blog post?
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