[00:05:41] <jbossbot> git [faces] push develop 8cf889f.. Brian Leathem Merge pull request #53 from tremes/migration-to-drone...
[00:05:41] <jbossbot> git [faces] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/faces/compare/eef2097...8cf889f
[00:07:22] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: pong
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[01:12:41] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: ping
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[05:37:54] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: hey
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[05:52:59] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: when you get a chance could you please try the solder testsuite?  it's still failing for me
[05:58:41] <lightguard_jp> sure, will do
[05:58:47] <lightguard_jp> which profiles?
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[06:03:24] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: weld embedded runs fun, AS7 blows up.
[06:03:41] <sbryzak> hmm, weld embedded fails for me
[06:03:47] <sbryzak> i might try a clean checkout
[06:03:51] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: The profile for AS7 isn't complete
[06:04:07] <sbryzak> are you running clean verify from the testsuite dir?
[06:04:08] <lightguard_jp> It doesn't download AS7 for it to be managed and there's no jbossHome setup in arquillian.xml
[06:04:16] <lightguard_jp> yep
[06:04:21] <sbryzak> hmm, that's what i tried
[06:04:29] <sbryzak> ok, i'll re-clone it again
[06:04:56] <lightguard_jp> did a clean install from root first
[06:05:55] <sbryzak> btw i'm having second thoughts about adding catch, servlet etc as submodules
[06:06:05] <sbryzak> i think that having a shaded jar again might introduce problems
[06:06:23] <sbryzak> i think i'd rather see them just added to solder core
[06:06:29] <sbryzak> and for the web stuff, we can just use @Requires
[06:06:45] <lightguard_jp> just the shaded jar?
[06:06:49] <sbryzak> do you see any problem with doing it that way?
[06:06:51] <lightguard_jp> We can still make them part of the solder project
[06:06:54] <sbryzak> no, i mean having no shaded jar
[06:07:09] <lightguard_jp> No shaded jar is fine
[06:07:19] <sbryzak> i think it will be problematic
[06:07:26] <lightguard_jp> okay, fair enough
[06:07:28] <sbryzak> if we tell a user to use solder-web for example
[06:07:42] <sbryzak> yet another module they are using has a dependency on solder-impl and solder-api
[06:08:01] <sbryzak> they're going to end up with multiple overlapping dependencies
[06:08:11] <lightguard_jp> ah. true
[06:08:18] <sbryzak> i don't think maven is smart enough to know when a shaded jar includes other dependencies
[06:08:43] <lightguard_jp> it isn't
[06:08:48] <lightguard_jp> I don't think any build tool is
[06:09:00] <sbryzak> so, do you see any problems with just putting everything into solder core?
[06:09:04] <lightguard_jp> That would be an osgi / jigsaw issue
[06:09:47] <lightguard_jp> I don't think so, but we should probably run that across a few other people
[06:09:54] <lightguard_jp> Send it to the mailing list or to the DWG
[06:10:02] <sbryzak> i don't think config will interfere with anything
[06:10:15] <sbryzak> and you obviously know catch better than anyone else :)
[06:10:18] <sbryzak> the only unknown is servlet
[06:10:31] <sbryzak> but i think if we use @Requires, we can just disable its producers
[06:10:36] <lightguard_jp> Yeah
[06:10:46] <sbryzak> and the servlet lifecycle bits
[06:10:53] <lightguard_jp> Catch shouldn't be a problem either
[06:10:57] <sbryzak> ok, cool
[06:11:03] <lightguard_jp> It doesn't have any producers, it's just the extension
[06:11:22] <sbryzak> so i'm thinking, org.jboss.solder.config for config, org.jboss.solder.exception for catch, org.jboss.solder.servlet for servlet
[06:26:23] <lightguard_jp> Sounds okay
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[07:00:14] <gastaldi> yay ! Got voice ! :D
[07:00:24] <gastaldi> voiced
[07:02:08] <lightguard_jp> AS7.0.2 was released today
[07:02:20] <lightguard_jp> Includes @Asynchronous support for EJBs
[07:02:54] <gastaldi> yaaay
[07:03:44] <gastaldi> Arc ?
[07:09:18] <lightguard_jp> That's it
[07:10:07] <lightguard_jp> They're still using the lightening theme.
[07:12:53] 
[07:14:12] <lightguard_jp> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arc def 2
[07:14:28] <lightguard_jp> Think of it as lightening between two clouds
[07:15:00] <gastaldi> oh
[07:15:05] <gastaldi> Wow
[07:15:19] <gastaldi> That was WAY too abstract for me :)
[07:15:56] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: What's the simplest usage of Reports?
[07:16:44] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: There is a test case illustrating it
[07:16:50] <gastaldi> let me see
[07:18:03] <gastaldi> well, not too simple, but it has the concepts applied: https://github.com/seam/reports/blob/develop/testsuite/common/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/reports/jasperreports/test/JasperReportsTest.java
[07:19:21] <gastaldi> ah, here is one simpler: https://github.com/seam/reports/blob/develop/testsuite/common/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/reports/mvel/MVELReportTest.java
[07:19:53] <lightguard_jp> I'm not sure mvel is going to be the typical usage :)
[07:19:57] <gastaldi> :)
[07:19:58] <lightguard_jp> Probably JasperReports
[07:20:02] <gastaldi> yeah
[07:20:12] 
[07:20:44] <lightguard_jp> What the mvel?
[07:20:49] <lightguard_jp> In favor of Seam Render?
[07:21:25] <gastaldi> Yeah, I suppose
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[07:22:14] <gastaldi> The JasperReportsTest is a better sample
[07:22:25] <lightguard_jp> I guess if we have the XDocReport it's not as necessary.
[07:23:07] <gastaldi> What do you mean ?
[07:23:18] <gastaldi> Remove Jasperreports in favor of XDocReport ?
[07:23:46] <gastaldi> This is nice too: https://github.com/seam/reports/blob/develop/testsuite/common/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/reports/xdocreport/test/XDocReportsTest.java
[07:25:20] <gastaldi> Basically, you need a Report object
[07:25:31] 
[07:25:41] <gastaldi> or by loading using a ReportLoader
[07:26:04] <gastaldi> After getting the Report object, you may render it using a ReportRenderer
[07:26:06] 
[07:26:17] <gastaldi> as good as it gets
[07:28:01] <lightguard_jp> No remove mvel in favor of seam render, but XDocReport will basically render anything you want
[07:28:41] 
[07:28:47] <gastaldi> XDocReport is very limited
[07:29:12] <lightguard_jp> Oh, it doesn't look like it on their project page :)
[07:29:19] <gastaldi> :)
[07:29:23] <lightguard_jp> MS Office types and html?
[07:29:27] <gastaldi> yeah
[07:29:36] <gastaldi> I mean in the context of building these reports
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[07:32:15] <gastaldi> and the model fits like a glove in Seam Reports API
[07:32:47] <lightguard_jp> Cool.
[07:33:16] <lightguard_jp> Okay, so the easiest use case is to already have a report template made and load that up, correct?
[07:33:23] <gastaldi> yeah
[07:33:52] <lightguard_jp> You can't create a report in the code from scratch can you?
[07:33:59] <gastaldi> hum, nope
[07:34:13] <gastaldi> Only if your ReportLoader allows it
[07:34:29] <gastaldi> As it loads an InputStream
[07:34:37] <gastaldi> you mean a builder-like interface ?
[07:36:04] <gastaldi> That could be planned on future versions, yes
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[07:38:14] <lightguard_jp> To be able to create a JasperReport in code
[07:38:24] <lightguard_jp> There's probably not a good way to do that
[07:38:43] <gastaldi> yeah, that would be need to be discussed
[07:38:59] <lightguard_jp> And making that portable among all the different report types probably wouldn't be good as you'd have a very small set of things you could do.
[07:39:05] <gastaldi> As it would be harder than using iReports
[07:39:26] <gastaldi> exactly
[07:40:26] <gastaldi> The basic usage scenario is: You develop a report definition in your favorite designer, and Seam Reports will take care of loading, filling it and rendering
[07:41:39] <gastaldi> hum, maybe filling is not the exact verb, I guess feeding it would be better
[07:42:21] <lightguard_jp> Okay, in the docs then we want to say the users will need to create a report for the reporting engine using whatever tools they have. Then they'll create the datasource (which is just an object?) and params (how are those different than the datasource?) fill the ReportDefinition and then render it?
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[07:42:43] <gastaldi> Yes
[07:42:56] <gastaldi> The DataSource is the data itself
[07:43:16] <gastaldi> the params are hints for the underlying ReportDefinition
[07:44:21] <lightguard_jp> Where do you get the Datasource? It's not just a list of JPA entities or anything like that it looks like
[07:44:26] <gastaldi> As you can pass any object as a DataSource, as it depends on the underlying ReportDefinition impl, the signature gets an object as a parameter
[07:44:42] <gastaldi> You can pass a Map, a List, a JRDataSource object
[07:44:52] <gastaldi> It all depends on the underlying impl
[07:45:11] <lightguard_jp> Okay, using JasperReports, how do I get a JRDataSource?
[07:45:28] 
[07:45:39] <gastaldi> Like, new JRBeanCollectionDataSource()
[07:46:37] <lightguard_jp> Okay, it's their abstraction around some sort of data structure.
[07:46:43] <gastaldi> yup
[07:47:11] <gastaldi> Maybe this abstraction could be done on Seam Reports too
[07:47:28] 
[07:47:44] <lightguard_jp> Not sure.
[07:48:19] <lightguard_jp> Why would I use a JRDataSource instead of say a map or a list?
[07:48:27] <lightguard_jp> Would a map of lists work
[07:48:28] <lightguard_jp> ?
[07:48:41] <gastaldi> It all depends on the underlying implementation
[07:48:53] <gastaldi> If the impl handles it, it would work
[07:50:04] <gastaldi> hum, I think I typed the same phrase at least twice :) Sorry
[07:50:51] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I think I'm starting to understand this (sorry, I've never used JasperReports and only have a high level knowledge of reporting software in general)
[07:51:00] <gastaldi> cool
[07:51:48] <lightguard_jp> For the JRDataSource it will take a file basically (in the tests it's using an xls), you tell it the columns to pull from and you name the columns in the datasource
[07:52:08] <lightguard_jp> Then it'll pull all the rows for those specified columns and put them into it's own structure
[07:52:10] 
[07:52:29] <gastaldi> Which handles an excel file as a datasource
[07:52:47] <lightguard_jp> Which version are we using for JasperReports?
[07:52:59] 
[07:53:03] <gastaldi> let me check
[07:53:12] <lightguard_jp> http://jasperreports.sourceforge.net/api/net/sf/jasperreports/engine/JRDataSource.html says 4.1.1
[07:53:15] <gastaldi> 4.0.1
[07:53:24] <gastaldi> hum
[07:54:10] <gastaldi> the latest as for now is 4.1.2
[07:54:33] <lightguard_jp> http://jasperforge.org/projects/jasperreports ?
[07:54:41] <gastaldi> Yeah
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[07:54:55] <gastaldi> Let me upgrade it and see what happens to the tests
[07:58:27] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I think I have enough of an understanding about how this works to help create some better docs
[07:58:35] <gastaldi> great
[07:58:46] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop 961b955.. George Gastaldi Upgraded JasperReports to 4.1.2
[07:58:46] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/3e08e53...961b955
[07:58:51] <gastaldi> Upgrade complete :)
[07:58:54] <lightguard_jp> The same basic stuff applies to Pentaho and the rest, correct?
[07:59:00] <gastaldi> Exactly
[07:59:08] <lightguard_jp> Okay, cool.
[07:59:15] 
[07:59:29] <gastaldi> And you have a qualifier to diff them
[07:59:53] <gastaldi> @Jasper, @PentahoReporting, ...
[08:03:09] <gastaldi> ok, going to bed now
[08:03:28] 
[08:04:17] <gastaldi> see ya
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[15:41:46] <jbossbot> git [remoting] push develop ca6d498.. Jozef Hartinger Arquillian ajocado migration
[15:41:46] <jbossbot> git [remoting] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/remoting/compare/0539793...ca6d498
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[17:34:28] <lincolnthree> hey stuartdouglas, awake?
[17:46:08] <stuartdouglas> lincolnthree: actually yes
[17:46:14] <lincolnthree> stuartdouglas: wow
[17:46:29] <lincolnthree> got enough energy to help me do some crazy stuff with jboss modules and weld?
[17:46:56] <lincolnthree> Really I just need 2 pieces of information
[17:46:59] <lincolnthree> (I think.)
[17:47:20] <lincolnthree> 1. How do I load / unload modules at runtime with JBM?
[17:47:38] <lincolnthree> 2. How do I "pass" a module hierarchy to Weld SE?
[17:48:02] <stuartdouglas> I don't think you can unload them, other than letting them be garbage collected
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[17:48:30] <stuartdouglas> to load them you just pass the module id to the ModuleLoader
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[17:48:57] <lincolnthree> stuartdouglas: so I cant shut down weld, drop/unload all modules, then start over?
[17:48:58] <stuartdouglas> I don't really understand what you mean by 2)
[17:49:17] <lincolnthree> Context here is forge
[17:49:18] <lincolnthree> So
[17:49:25] <lincolnthree> I start forge with JBM
[17:49:35] <lincolnthree> I have a bootstrap class that is responsible for starting weld
[17:49:44] <lincolnthree> right now all of my modules and plugins are defined using modules.xml
[17:49:55] <lincolnthree> I don't want to use modules.xml to load plugins
[17:50:06] <lincolnthree> I want to be able to hot-load them
[17:50:22] <stuartdouglas> AFAIK it follows the standard java GC rules for classes
[17:50:48] <stuartdouglas> stuff like this is never simple just because of the way the JVM works
[17:50:48] <lincolnthree> ok so if i blow away all references to my weld container and let that shut down,it should be GCd
[17:50:56] <lincolnthree> yeah that's why I need your help
[17:50:56] <stuartdouglas> In theory
[17:51:03] <lincolnthree> ;)
[17:51:05] <stuartdouglas> As long as there are no leaks
[17:51:09] <lincolnthree> right
[17:51:14] <stuartdouglas> if there are leaks you need profiler to track them down
[17:51:33] <lincolnthree> So ModuleLoader.loadModule() ?
[17:51:40] <lincolnthree> and if that module is in the module repo, it will be loaded?
[17:53:22] <lincolnthree> I'm missing the part on how after loading modules I get that ClassLoader visible to weld
[17:53:32] <lincolnthree> set it as TCCL?
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[18:02:39] <stuartdouglas> You may need to use a specific type of module loader
[18:03:10] <lincolnthree> stuartdouglas: once I load a module, do I have to do anythign special to associate it with a ClassLoader?
[18:03:25] <stuartdouglas> no
[18:03:32] <stuartdouglas> There is one CL per module
[18:04:22] <lincolnthree> stuartdouglas:  ok, so if I have a "main" module that doesn't have any module defs plugins in it's module.xml, and I want to load a plugin, thta won't work?
[18:04:29] <lincolnthree> because it will be a different classloader?
[18:04:47] <stuartdouglas> not sure what you mean
[18:04:55] <lincolnthree> So I have my forge "main" module
[18:05:14] <lincolnthree> it pulls in resources for weld, the jdk, some other stuff
[18:05:21] <lincolnthree> everything needed for the forge runtime
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[18:05:36] <lincolnthree> but in the module.xml, there is no link to plugins
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[18:05:51] <lincolnthree> by default, as it stands, no plugins will ever be loaded as a dependency of "forge main"
[18:06:14] <lincolnthree> so if I load that module at runtime, I will have the "forge main" classloader, which is my TCCL by default
[18:06:17] <lincolnthree> afaik
[18:06:18] <lincolnthree> then
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[18:06:29] <lincolnthree> I want to load an individual module containing a forge plugin
[18:06:48] <lincolnthree> and "attach" that to my running system so that it gets picked up when I restart Weld
[18:07:45] <lincolnthree> stuartdouglas: but it doesn't sound like that's possible?
[18:07:48] <lincolnthree> it must b
[18:07:49] <lincolnthree> e
[18:08:25] <stuartdouglas> you can do ModuleLoader.loadModule("org.somplugin")
[18:08:58] <lincolnthree> ok. so that does add the module to that ModuleLoader / TCCL?
[18:09:10] <lincolnthree> but once it's in memory, I can't unload it
[18:09:17] <lincolnthree> AS7 must do this
[18:09:20] <lincolnthree> for deployments
[18:09:30] <lincolnthree> and redeployments
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[18:57:52] <bleathem> lincolnthree: I'm curious to hear the detials when you work out this JBM stuff
[18:58:09] <lincolnthree> bleathem: me too
[18:58:13] <bleathem> lol
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[19:54:51] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: How are things?
[19:55:04] <kenfinnigan> lightguard_jp: good, yourself?
[19:55:15] <lightguard_jp> No complaints.
[19:55:25] <kenfinnigan> what's the +v mode you've set me on mean?
[19:55:27] <lightguard_jp> Excited not to be travelling as much next month?
[19:55:51] <kenfinnigan> thankfully at the moment I'm consulting from home, have been since just before the birth
[19:55:53] <kenfinnigan> which is nice
[19:56:02] <kenfinnigan> but definitely looking forward to proper working from home
[19:56:20] <lightguard_jp> We gave you voice, which really doesn't mean anything unless we really lock down the channel, but for people that show up in the channel for the first time they'll see some people have special marks next to their name, so those are probably people that can answer questions
[19:57:04] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Have you come across seam 3 in the wild yet?
[19:57:07] <kenfinnigan> ah ok
[19:57:30] <kenfinnigan> no, all the clients I've dealt with are on EAP 5, which means Seam 2 (if they even use that)
[19:57:47] <lightguard_jp> How many of the clients you've been working with are using Seam 2?
[19:57:55] <kenfinnigan> that's another reason I wanted to move out of consulting, clients are always 1-2 yrs behind the latest and greatest
[19:58:23] <kenfinnigan> An investment bank in Boston I was migration from Sun and Glassfish to EAP had a few apps that used Seam 2
[19:58:36] <kenfinnigan> didn't get to see their code as they migrated those apps themselves
[19:59:02] <lightguard_jp> Okay
[19:59:08] <kenfinnigan> read the meeting minutes from the other day, exciting changes
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[20:39:52] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules ed42efc.. Lincoln Baxter, III Almost modular plugin hot-loading
[20:39:52] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/0000000...ed42efc
[20:40:51] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules 602962d.. Lincoln Baxter, III Don't fail, just ignore
[20:40:51] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/ed42efc...602962d
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[22:25:17] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules cf5a80c.. Lincoln Baxter, III Almost there
[22:25:17] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/602962d...cf5a80c
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[23:10:23] <bleathem> sbryzak: 0_o
[23:10:29] <sbryzak> lol
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[23:24:44] <lazarotti> hey guys, is it the correct url to Seam2.3 branch? -> https://svn.jboss.org/repos/seam/branches/community/Seam_2_3
[23:25:03] <lazarotti> marek is not around
[23:29:12] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules 8b743a3.. Lincoln Baxter, III cleanup
[23:29:12] <jbossbot> git [core] push modules URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/cf5a80c...8b743a3
[23:30:48] <lazarotti> tsurdilo: hey tiho, do you know about 2.3 branch?
[23:38:01] <tsurdilo> hi lazarotti back now..sup
[23:38:41] <lazarotti> tsurdilo: np, just to confirm the repository fo Seam2 trunk
[23:38:47] <tsurdilo> lazarotti: for product they are here : https://svn.jboss.org/repos/seam/branches/enterprise/
[23:39:00] <tsurdilo> ?afaik :) its been a while since i added any seam2 code
[23:39:05] <tsurdilo> best to ask marek
[23:40:14] <lazarotti> tsurdilo: yeas, i have used it. But I am not sure about Seam 2.3 (and what EAP version it will be bundled - EAP 5.1.3??)
[23:40:41] <tsurdilo> no clue. sry :( samuel does not know ?
[23:41:06] <lazarotti> tsurdilo: no confirmation yet
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