[00:00:04] <rruss> good thing we don't have our agenda or anything important there ... D'oh, wait ...
[00:00:23] <hannelita> seam hack night post - http://hannelita.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/seam-hack-night-september-8/
[00:00:31] <hannelita> 22:00 UTC, right/
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[00:01:16] <mojavelinux> hehehe, and, it's back! finally, I can edit
[00:01:47] <mojavelinux> "Google Docs has encountered a server error. " doh!
[00:01:49] <mojavelinux> still #fail
[00:01:52] <lincolnthree> lol
[00:01:53] <lincolnthree> yea
[00:02:10] <mojavelinux> back to 404 again
[00:02:22] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: I think it was 23:00
[00:03:31] <hannelita> 23? Ok, need to fix timeanddate link then
[00:04:02] <hannelita> 23 UTC, confirm?
[00:05:39] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: Confirmed. It's in the seam-dev google calendar.
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[00:07:26] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: Well, someone has it wrong I think
[00:07:32] <lightguard_jp> jboss.org/events has it at 22:00
[00:07:39] <bleathem> sorry, I intended to be at the community meeting today
[00:07:45] <bleathem> got distracted
[00:07:58] <bleathem> all's on target for the Seam Faces hack night?
[00:08:04] <hannelita> last hack night started 22 UTC
[00:08:50] <bleathem> I won't be around for the first 4 hours
[00:08:55] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I was wrong it's at 22:00
[00:09:31] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: sorry about that
[00:09:36] <hannelita> lightguard_jp:
[00:09:39] <hannelita> np
[00:09:40] <hannelita> :)
[00:11:11] <hannelita> tweeting about seam hack night
[00:14:28] <sbryzak> finally got through my morning emails
[00:14:35] <sbryzak> only took 1 hour
[00:14:57] <hannelita> sbryzak: tell the truth, you have select all and clicked on "Archive" button :P
[00:15:17] <sbryzak> i wish i could ;)
[00:15:23] <sbryzak> i still have over 10000 unread e-mails
[00:15:32] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Sounds like the start of my day. Emails, forums, twitter, ready to start the day
[00:15:33] <sbryzak> too many mailing lists
[00:15:46] <mojavelinux> tell me about it
[00:16:03] <sbryzak> my inbox is like a garage that hasn't been cleaned out for over 2 years
[00:16:55] <sbryzak> yay google docs is no longer dead
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[00:25:26] <hannelita> guys, before I forget, I'll tell you about some feedback from community, ok?
[00:25:52] <hannelita> as we started talking about it during the meeting
[00:27:41] <lincolnthree> do it hannelita
[00:28:13] <hannelita> some points... 1) Ppl think Seam is too hard for them. As I said, you need a little high tech skill set to work seam, like understanding maven and lots of terms like beans, transaction, cdi stuff
[00:28:34] <hannelita> I mean, ok, the problem is not only seam, JEE may be complex for an absolute beginner
[00:28:48] <hannelita> but seam needs all of these stuff to work
[00:29:00] <lincolnthree> and we also add even more complexity and features on top
[00:29:05] <lincolnthree> without really providing a simplified path
[00:29:23] <hannelita> Lets take Play framework (EEWW I HATE IT). It works with simple stuff
[00:29:25] <hannelita> I mea
[00:29:26] <hannelita> n
[00:29:46] <hannelita> You dont need to understand the deeps of CDI or maven to use it
[00:30:07] <hannelita> you just... use it. Even if you use bad JEE practices, it WORKS. unlike seam
[00:31:39] <hannelita> I have  bunch of examples that I could tell you, but this is the main point - ppl are lazy to learn all these stuff before getting started, and they give up
[00:32:03] <hannelita> they give up in most cases, unfortunately.
[00:32:05] <lightguard_jp> That's nothing new.
[00:32:34] <lightguard_jp> I'm all for making it easier, however, we're not really catering to the brand new grad that's only written Hello World in Java.
[00:32:52] <lightguard_jp> I'm not interesting in holding everyone's hand on the forums because they can't figure things out.
[00:33:25] <hannelita> yes, good point, I mean, if you are interested in, go find information about the framework
[00:33:49] <hannelita> But if you try 1, 2, 3, 4 times without success, you might give up
[00:34:21] <lightguard_jp> I think we need to figure out our target audience.
[00:34:40] <lightguard_jp> Sure, that point I agree with
[00:34:59] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: hannelita: i don't want to hold anyones hand, but I don't think we do a very good job of making it easy for them
[00:35:06] <hannelita> another known point is that there are few info at google
[00:35:19] <hannelita> or books
[00:35:29] <hannelita> or ppl who really know how to use seam
[00:35:37] <hannelita> so you have few sources to ask
[00:36:39] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: For Seam 3, yes I would say that's true. Not really for Seam 2
[00:36:42] <hannelita> and when you have an answer at google it usually is a forum topic with lots of not useful info
[00:36:45] <lightguard_jp> There are multiple books and blogs about seam 2
[00:36:52] <hannelita> (i'm talking about seam 3 :P 0
[00:37:54] <lightguard_jp> Books and what not on Seam 3 probably aren't going to be out any time soon (if there's any being written) but I know there are a few books about Java EE 6, which would go a long way in understanding Seam 3
[00:38:25] <hannelita> (Seam 2 is also complex, but there is a lot of info, I agree. I used to work with that, and I forced ppl from the company I used to work to learn Seam 2 :P   )
[00:38:54] <sbryzak> i think the issue is that people are lumping seam 3 and java ee6 into the same basket
[00:39:05] <sbryzak> we are assuming that they are already familiar with java ee6
[00:39:25] <sbryzak> and so, seam should be a natural extension to their development
[00:39:42] <sbryzak> i think we need to step back and look at the stack as a whole
[00:39:50] <sbryzak> that's where our problem is, we're not doing that
[00:40:01] <hannelita> Idk how is the US work culture. But in latin america, well... its complicated. You start working and you have no training, no books... nothing less Google. Thats why things are complex here
[00:40:26] <hannelita> I mean, lots of companies are made of... interns
[00:40:35] <hannelita> ppl without ANY experience
[00:41:09] <hannelita> They know that there's a "cool framework called Seam". [copy-paste from my email]
[00:41:53] <hannelita> "But this is too enterprise for me, the time I will waste learning all this stuff I will be finished the project using another fmk"
[00:41:56] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Do we have any metrics about where people are that are downloading from nexus?
[00:41:59] <hannelita> this is really really bad
[00:42:25] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: i don't think we have any metrics
[00:42:35] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: That unfortunately has been one of the huge hurdles of Java EE
[00:42:43] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: We need to ask about that.
[00:42:48] <sbryzak> hannelita: i think they're really talking about Java EE
[00:42:51] <sbryzak> not seam per se
[00:42:52] <lightguard_jp> I know we get them for SourceForge
[00:43:17] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: An idea of where our largest user base is might help us better prepare documentation and blogs
[00:43:22] <hannelita> I **think** we moved one step... I started getting over 1k visits to my blog posts and Ppl ARE TRYING seam 3. I know they are because I receive some emails with questions everyday
[00:43:25] <sbryzak> that's probably why they're having difficulty finding stuff in google
[00:43:37] <sbryzak> they're searching for seam, when they should be starting with java ee tutorials
[00:44:02] <hannelita> yeah, sbryzak, I know ppl get messed up
[00:44:21] <sbryzak> seam is not a framework any more
[00:44:35] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: For example if it's coming from India or China, possibly Latin America we may need to have more basic info. As the workforce is generally newer to Java EE development.
[00:44:56] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: i would love to have those stats
[00:45:07] <sbryzak> i just don't know if nexus tracks them
[00:45:30] <hannelita> well... these are the bad points
[00:45:35] <hannelita> now... good points
[00:46:19] <hannelita> I alse get some emails with happy users saying thanks for the pots.... and specially for modules source code at github
[00:46:29] <hannelita> community is very happy with github
[00:46:56] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: I know it's been floating around a bit amongst our group, and now a larger group at JBoss about a RHT tutorial for Java EE and other JBoss tech. I think if we nailed a Java EE tutorial it would go a very long way.
[00:47:16] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: Yes, github changed the game
[00:47:18] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: agreed
[00:47:28] <sbryzak> i really need to get seam university finished
[00:47:45] <sbryzak> i'm getting hung up solving the numerous framework issues though
[00:48:14] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Are they issues in any particular module or kind of all over the board?
[00:48:14] <sbryzak> the good news is it's getting close now
[00:48:29] <sbryzak> just across the board issues that i've had to solve
[00:48:42] <sbryzak> the problem is that i'm writing a whole new web framework at the same time (xwidgets)
[00:48:57] <sbryzak> and there's all sorts of issues that i need to re-solve for a dynamic web environment
[00:49:01] <hannelita> lots of adv users usually check seam modules code at github to learn how to use some features, and this is very nice
[00:49:27] <sbryzak> for example, i need to gracefully handle session expiration
[00:49:43] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: Right, that's to be expected
[00:50:03] <hannelita> another good point ppl always tell me is forge, and the most visited post I have in my blog is the forge one
[00:50:06] <sbryzak> i've almost got it sorted out in my head, but at the same time it's a perfect opportunity to implement xsrf protection
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[00:53:47] <hannelita> another point
[00:54:05] <clerum1> I think we are really lacking easy to understand ee6 example apps that demonstrate conversation control and navigation
[00:54:15] <hannelita> there are lots of jbpm users, and ppl interested in having seam with jbpm
[00:54:21] <hannelita> i really didnt know about that
[00:54:53] <hannelita> so... drools and jbpm community is very big
[00:55:04] <hannelita> and they are nice candidates to use seam
[00:55:48] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: Yes, drools / jbpm integration is on our todo list after the release we'll really be hitting it hard. The ball is in our court for the moment to prove a few things out, then the drools team will be taking it over.
[00:56:53] <hannelita> lightguard_jp: was just a random point I have noticed, because I blogged some stuff about jbpm and wow, these posts have LOTS of views. I mean LOTS.
[00:57:37] <hannelita> but jbpm had some problems with AS 7 and even with seam 3
[00:57:46] <hannelita> I reported some of them
[00:58:01] <hannelita> anyway.... jbpm community is a nice candidate for seam :)
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[02:12:34] <PeteRoyle> morning lincolnthree. I'm starting to do some scaffoling with forge snapshot
[02:12:35] <PeteRoyle> :)
[02:14:42] <PeteRoyle> I'd like to make a small change to the create/list/view templates (the use of lowercase for attributes is causing me issues, as I'm sure you're aware).
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[02:41:47] <PeteRoyle> Any Seam Render users around?
[03:00:48] * bleathem ** crickets **
[03:03:53] <lincolnthree> PeteRoyle: I wrote it
[03:03:59] <lincolnthree> What's up?
[03:04:27] <lincolnthree> PeteRoyle: awesome! (just read your last comment) how can I help?
[03:04:41] <PeteRoyle> that'll do :). I was wondering if there are were any built-in helpers that can be used from inside a template
[03:04:49] <lincolnthree> helpers?
[03:04:59] <PeteRoyle> for basic stuf like titlecasing etc
[03:05:21] <lincolnthree> ahhh no, you'd have to write a utility and put it into the context that you pass in:
[03:05:29] <PeteRoyle> OK thought so
[03:05:30] <lincolnthree> so add a util object to the context map
[03:05:36] <lincolnthree> then you can call it from within the template
[03:05:40] <lincolnthree> you COULD however define one
[03:05:43] <lincolnthree> inside the template
[03:05:49] <lincolnthree> like this:
[03:07:22] <lincolnthree> http://mvel.codehaus.org/Macros
[03:07:26] <lincolnthree> seam render uses MVEL
[03:07:29] <lincolnthree> so anything MVEL can do
[03:07:30] <lincolnthree> you can do
[03:07:31] <lincolnthree> :)
[03:07:32] <lincolnthree> gotta run
[03:07:49] <PeteRoyle> Ah ok, I was wondering about that too. Thanks
[03:07:55] <PeteRoyle> Any idea when you'll be back?
[03:07:55] <lincolnthree> sorry there are no docs yet
[03:08:02] <lincolnthree> in 2 hours ish probably
[03:08:08] <PeteRoyle> cool ok see ya then
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[04:45:43] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: ping
[04:45:48] <stuartdouglas> hey
[04:46:00] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Care to help our friend Hantsy? http://seamframework.org/Community/HowToAvoidLazyInitializationExceptionInFaceletsPage#comment168045
[05:02:19] <sbryzak> i've all but given up on that guy
[05:02:25] <sbryzak> most of his posts are just empty criticism
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[05:33:17] <gastaldi> Hey all
[05:33:26] <PeteRoyle> hey gastaldi
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[05:33:51] <gastaldi> Hey PeteRoyle !
[05:34:36] <sbryzak> gastaldi: heya
[05:34:49] <gastaldi> Hey sbryzak lightguard_jp ! Sorry I miss the meeting
[05:35:05] <sbryzak> no problem, we're going to have one every month
[05:35:12] <gastaldi> Cool
[05:36:34] <sbryzak> i think i've worked out how to support bookmarkable urls in xwidgets
[05:36:49] <sbryzak> and it kind of ties in with navigation management in general
[05:37:09] <gastaldi> sbryzak: Have you tested SEAMSECURITY-12 ?
[05:37:10] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSECURITY-12] Introduce session management into Seam Security [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSECURITY-12
[05:37:19] <sbryzak> gastaldi: not yet, but it's on my list
[05:37:28] <gastaldi> Nice
[05:38:22] <gastaldi> Hum is the seam hack tomorrow ?
[05:38:30] <sbryzak> yes, tomorrow morning for me
[05:38:42] <sbryzak> bleathem has been busy in jira preparing the issues for us
[05:38:46] <gastaldi> Cool
[05:38:55] <gastaldi> Lets rock
[05:40:23] <sbryzak> i bought a hi def web cam today to use next week for the f2f
[05:40:34] <sbryzak> so we can have people join in some of the discussions
[05:40:35] <gastaldi> Yay !
[05:41:15] <sbryzak> i tested it out with max yesterday using hangouts on google plus
[05:41:22] <sbryzak> seems to work really well
[05:41:36] <gastaldi> Hum, is this event going to be remotely broadcasted ?
[05:41:58] <sbryzak> no, but it would be nice to have certain people present for some of the discussions
[05:42:06] <gastaldi> Nice
[05:42:18] <sbryzak> it would have been nicer to have them there in person, but we had a very restricted budget for it this year
[05:42:31] <gastaldi> Is it open ?
[05:42:48] <sbryzak> what do you mean?
[05:43:26] <gastaldi> Anyone can join this event on some discussions ?
[05:43:41] <sbryzak> no, not open like that
[05:43:51] <gastaldi> Oh
[05:44:12] <gastaldi> Wish I could participate like that
[05:44:15] <sbryzak> but for a lot of the discussions it would be nice to have some of the seam devs participating
[05:44:38] <gastaldi> Nice
[05:44:45] <sbryzak> well, there's some internal stuff but most of the discussion will be open-ish
[05:45:44] <sbryzak> i just hope there's a decent internet connection there
[05:45:49] <gastaldi> Lol
[05:46:05] <gastaldi> Yeah
[05:47:37] <gastaldi> sbryzak: Will SAF exist on Seam 3?
[05:47:44] <sbryzak> does anyone know if there's prettytime support in seam international?
[05:48:10] <sbryzak> SAF ?
[05:48:23] <gastaldi> Seam App framework
[05:48:28] <sbryzak> ah
[05:48:35] <sbryzak> good question
[05:48:48] <sbryzak> i tend to think that forge would cover the same functionality
[05:48:52] <gastaldi> The forms, action, and entityhomes
[05:48:55] <gastaldi> Hummm
[05:49:14] <gastaldi> But it misses the framework
[05:49:32] <gastaldi> Forge just eases certain tasks
[05:50:12] <gastaldi> It would be nice to have some framework classes to depend on
[05:50:29] <sbryzak> hmm, ok i'll add it to the list of topics
[05:50:54] <gastaldi> For the f2f meeting ?
[05:51:11] <sbryzak> yeah
[05:51:16] <gastaldi> Nice
[05:51:19] <stuartdouglas> I was going to do some work on that at one point
[05:51:27] <stuartdouglas> never got around to it though
[05:51:34] <gastaldi> :)
[05:51:35] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: do you think it would belong to the persistence module?
[05:51:51] <stuartdouglas> I had an idea for automatically registering home beans based on entities that are scanned in a PE
[05:52:02] <stuartdouglas> probably not, I think it needs its own module
[05:52:07] <gastaldi> sbryzak: I think it belongs to another module
[05:52:07] <sbryzak> hmm, ok
[05:52:14] <gastaldi> Yeah
[05:52:31] <sbryzak> i had an idea for the persistence module.. a feature that would simplify the creation of a default set of db records
[05:52:35] <sbryzak> to replace import.sql
[05:52:50] <gastaldi> Hummm share it please
[05:52:58] <sbryzak> that's it
[05:53:09] <gastaldi> :)
[05:53:31] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: how do you scan the entities?
[05:53:42] <stuartdouglas> just observe them in PAT
[05:54:03] <gastaldi> What about liquidbase?
[05:54:04] <sbryzak> i didn't realise they got processed
[05:54:08] <gastaldi> http://www.liquibase.org/
[05:54:14] <sbryzak> i thought entity beans were skipped?
[05:54:36] <stuartdouglas> I don't think so
[05:54:44] <PeteRoyle> I've just been using liquibase as of yesterday.
[05:54:49] <sbryzak> well geez
[05:54:53] <PeteRoyle> i'm liking it so far
[05:54:54] <gastaldi> Cool
[05:55:01] <sbryzak> if that's the case.. why am i forcing users to configure their entity classes for identity management
[05:55:06] <sbryzak> when they could just use annotations...
[05:55:08] <gastaldi> Seems nice
[05:55:47] <sbryzak> just checking what the spec says about entity beans
[05:56:02] <sbryzak> the only thing i can find, is a single sentence in section 1.2.2
[05:56:06] <sbryzak> "Message-driven and entity beans are by nature non-contextual objects and may not be injected into other objects."
[05:56:12] <stuartdouglas> when the spec talks about entity beans it means EJB2 CMP + BMP beans
[05:56:17] <gastaldi> Yeah
[05:56:24] <sbryzak> ah
[05:56:31] <gastaldi> People still use that crap
[05:56:43] <stuartdouglas> I just implemented BMP in AS7
[05:56:51] <sbryzak> wow, if that's the case then i can greatly simplify the security configuration
[05:57:02] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: did you draw the short straw or something?
[05:57:21] <stuartdouglas> Nope, John Bailey drew the short straw, he has to do CMP :-)
[05:57:27] <sbryzak> haha
[05:57:31] <gastaldi> Lol
[05:57:42] <stuartdouglas> I think he actually agreed to it while drinking :-)
[05:57:59] <sbryzak> we all know what drinking does to your judgment
[05:58:20] <sbryzak> man i think summer is coming, it's actually hot here today
[05:58:22] <PeteRoyle> there's no morning after pill for CMP
[05:58:40] <gastaldi> Hum is distributed XA available on as7 ?
[05:58:46] <sbryzak> hehe pete, that's right but it really does need an abortion
[05:59:00] <stuartdouglas> gastaldi: I don't think that is ready yet
[05:59:06] <PeteRoyle> you'd think it could at least die of old age, like a normal thing
[05:59:21] <gastaldi> Hope it is before EAP
[05:59:29] <sbryzak> unfortunately we have to check the boxes for the corporate world
[05:59:30] <stuartdouglas> it will be
[05:59:36] <gastaldi> Nice
[06:00:34] <gastaldi> I almost killed myself making the corba JTS config work under EAP 5.1
[06:01:12] <gastaldi> Even with the example docs
[06:01:39] <sbryzak> why on earth are you still doing corba?
[06:01:53] <sbryzak> i remember developing with that 10 years ago with borland visibroker
[06:02:55] <gastaldi> Distributed XA only works under corba JTS layer
[06:03:47] <gastaldi> I mean two jboss servers sharing the same transaction on different resources
[06:04:14] <sbryzak> ah, are you having to work with legacy services or something?
[06:05:07] <gastaldi> No, two databases each one accessed by different JBoss instances
[06:05:41] <gastaldi> By two EJBs
[06:06:07] <gastaldi> Unclustered
[06:06:20] <sbryzak> i see, sounds like fun
[06:06:26] <gastaldi> Hehe
[06:06:40] <gastaldi> It was a pain to make it work
[06:07:26] <gastaldi> A customer has EAP 4.3 and was forced to migrate to 5.1
[06:07:44] <gastaldi> Because 4.3 misses this feature
[06:08:00] <gastaldi> Glad I could make it work
[06:08:02] <hannelita> hey guys :) Invited ppl from twitter to join seam hack night.hope we get more ppl this time ^^
[06:08:12] <gastaldi> Hey hannelita !
[06:08:23] <gastaldi> Still on caffeine ?
[06:08:25] <hannelita> hey gastaldi :)
[06:08:30] <hannelita> yeah, pure caffeine
[06:08:36] <gastaldi> Lol
[06:08:41] <hannelita> still have to prepare my talk for QCon
[06:08:44] <gastaldi> Try the chewy ones
[06:08:55] <gastaldi> Pure caffeine
[06:09:02] <hannelita> lol
[06:09:16] <gastaldi> Nice
[06:09:24] <gastaldi> Which topic it will be ?
[06:09:50] <hannelita> gastaldi: if someone reads this IRC log, will think that you are the EXAMPLE of person who sleeps enough, huh? hehe
[06:10:00] <gastaldi> Hahaha
[06:10:04] <gastaldi> Yeah
[06:10:14] <hannelita> gastaldi: I'll speak about ruby this time
[06:10:43] <gastaldi> Cool
[06:10:59] <hannelita> Jruby and rubnius in fact
[06:11:23] <gastaldi> Although I dont know ruby At all :)
[06:11:54] <gastaldi> Seems cool
[06:13:35] <gastaldi> Humm I thought I was voiced
[06:14:01] <sbryzak> i discovered that i'm totally immune to caffeine
[06:14:06] <sbryzak> has absolutely no effect on me
[06:14:09] <sbryzak> unless i don't have it
[06:14:12] <sbryzak> then i get a raging headache
[06:14:16] <gastaldi> sbryzak: Lol
[06:14:25] <stuartdouglas> If you give it up for a week you will loose your resistance
[06:14:34] <gastaldi> You're an X men
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[06:14:37] <sbryzak> haha stuart, i'm not superman
[06:14:41] <gastaldi> Mutant
[06:14:59] <sbryzak> i doubt i could give it up for 2 days
[06:15:00] <hannelita> sbryzak: maybe you should try other kinds of coffee
[06:15:12] <sbryzak> i haven't been drinking coffee though
[06:15:18] <sbryzak> coke zero, red bull, V
[06:15:24] <sbryzak> tea has caffeine too
[06:15:25] <gastaldi> Wow
[06:15:30] <hannelita> starbucks has coffees from different places
[06:15:51] <sbryzak> i usually make my own coffee, but i'm out of beans currently
[06:16:14] <hannelita> You can buy the coffee there and make it at your home
[06:16:28] <sbryzak> here's my coffee machine: http://twitpic.com/31007b
[06:16:32] <sbryzak> modded myself ;)
[06:16:38] <gastaldi> sbryzak: Do you have the bar named Outback In australia ?
[06:16:49] <sbryzak> outback steakhouse?
[06:16:57] <gastaldi> yeahh
[06:17:06] <sbryzak> i *think* there may be one in the sydney area
[06:17:14] <sbryzak> stuart would possibly know better than me
[06:17:27] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Step down gradually.
[06:17:38] <lightguard_jp> Only drink half of a can
[06:17:43] <gastaldi> Eat the pork rib and I doubt you can sleep after that
[06:17:44] <lightguard_jp> Then a quarter
[06:17:46] <stuartdouglas> There is one in wollongong
[06:17:51] <lightguard_jp> About that time you can probably get off it
[06:18:02] <stuartdouglas> There are really an american company though
[06:18:03] <gastaldi> Cool
[06:18:14] <gastaldi> We have some In Brazil
[06:18:21] <gastaldi> I love it
[06:18:28] <hannelita> this coffee - http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/starbucks-reserve-coffee/sumatra-tapanuli
[06:18:32] <gastaldi> The beer mug is unique
[06:18:36] <hannelita> much stronger
[06:18:41] <lightguard_jp> Love tripit :)
[06:18:50] <gastaldi> Frozen as hell :)
[06:18:54] <lightguard_jp> Has my Toronto Airport Express info in there now :)
[06:19:20] <sbryzak> hannelita: that coffee looks real expensive
[06:19:29] <hannelita> sbryzak: It is
[06:19:36] <hannelita> BUT
[06:19:38] <gastaldi> Isnt that made of shit ?
[06:19:47] <hannelita> it is REALLY good. AND strong
[06:19:48] <sbryzak> gastaldi: you're thinking of civet coffee
[06:19:51] <gastaldi> Bat crap ?
[06:19:57] <sbryzak> kopi lopek or something like that
[06:20:02] <gastaldi> Ahh yes
[06:20:10] <gastaldi> Right
[06:20:17] <lightguard_jp> It's cat droppings I think
[06:20:19] <sbryzak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civet#Coffee
[06:20:25] <sbryzak> Kopi Luwak
[06:20:26] <sbryzak> that's it
[06:20:31] <gastaldi> Yup
[06:20:42] <hannelita> no, this is not civet coffee
[06:20:51] <gastaldi> Saw on a jack nicholson movie
[06:21:01] <lightguard_jp> Bucket List
[06:21:03] <lightguard_jp> Great show
[06:21:06] <sbryzak> i know a couple of red hat guys that have had it
[06:21:06] <gastaldi> Yup
[06:21:10] <gastaldi> Haha
[06:21:14] <sbryzak> actually i think bruno has
[06:21:23] <gastaldi> Bruno Machado ?
[06:21:28] <sbryzak> bruno georges
[06:21:33] <sbryzak> he's the eap product manager
[06:21:37] <gastaldi> Ah
[06:21:39] <gastaldi> Hehe
[06:21:42] <sbryzak> and stuart's manager
[06:22:30] <gastaldi> Seems tasty
[06:22:43] <gastaldi> But disgusting also :)
[06:22:44] <hannelita> well, gtg, guys! Hope to get more ppl for tomorrows hack night :)
[06:22:52] <gastaldi> See ya hannelita
[06:22:54] <sbryzak> hannelita: cya
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[06:24:02] <gastaldi> Annotations ftw !
[06:24:23] <PeteRoyle> so gastaldi you use liquibase?
[06:24:55] <gastaldi> I checked the docs but haven't used it yet
[06:25:17] <gastaldi> A customer of mine needed something like it
[06:25:39] <PeteRoyle> ah k. I was intimidated by it at first cos of all the xml, but at least it means automatic code completion.
[06:25:51] <gastaldi> Nice
[06:26:06] <gastaldi> Seems cool
[06:26:25] <gastaldi> How long have u been using it?
[06:27:04] <PeteRoyle> this will be day 2 :). But cos I'm in the early stages of my project I'm still mostly using hibernate's auto export to populate my db. Will use liquibase after an initial release I suppose
[06:27:22] <gastaldi> Nice
[06:27:25] <PeteRoyle> Oh, but I use it now for test fixtures as well
[06:27:32] <PeteRoyle> test/dev
[06:27:35] <gastaldi> Cool
[06:27:54] <gastaldi> I use DBUnit for testing
[06:28:42] <gastaldi> And use Jailer to extract the data
[06:28:50] <gastaldi> Cool tool
[06:28:59] * PeteRoyle googles jailer
[06:29:53] <gastaldi> It exports to a DbUnit XML format
[06:30:01] <PeteRoyle> that's pretty cool
[06:30:11] <gastaldi> Yup
[06:31:39] <bleathem> what's the sfwk.org page for the hack night?
[06:32:38] <gastaldi> PeteRoyle: Have you heard of unitils.org?
[06:32:54] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: It's on the project meetings page
[06:33:08] <bleathem> It could be linked to on the Contribute page: http://sfwk.org/Community/Contribute
[06:33:08] <PeteRoyle> gastaldi: rings a bell
[06:33:39] <gastaldi> It eases DBUnit config
[06:34:05] <bleathem> wait there are two Contribute pages
[06:34:09] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: When will module leaders be voiced ?
[06:34:13] <bleathem> http://sfwk.org/Seam3/Contribute
[06:34:15] <bleathem> is another one
[06:34:25] <bleathem> can't find the meetings page
[06:35:02] <bleathem> the events page is out-of-date: http://sfwk.org/Community/Events
[06:35:12] <bleathem> last entry from 2010
[06:35:17] <gastaldi> Wow
[06:35:31] <gastaldi> Forgotten for sure
[06:36:28] <bleathem> not finding the meetings page
[06:36:51] <gastaldi> Try googling
[06:37:22] <bleathem> novel idea gastaldi!
[06:37:27] <bleathem> google found it:
[06:37:28] <bleathem> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/ProjectMeetings
[06:37:33] <gastaldi> Lol
[06:37:38] <gastaldi> Yaaay
[06:37:54] <bleathem> sfwk.org needs some love though
[06:38:02] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: As soon as I get around to doing it.
[06:38:02] <bleathem> *cough* lightguard_jp *cough*
[06:38:14] * lightguard_jp isn't in charge of sfwk.org
[06:38:18] <gastaldi> Hehe
[06:38:23] <lightguard_jp> It's a sinking ship
[06:38:25] <bleathem> ORLY?
[06:38:38] <bleathem> yeah, not sinking fast enough though
[06:38:40] <gastaldi> We should get a new ship
[06:39:58] <lightguard_jp> in due time
[06:41:20] <gastaldi> Ok gtg now
[06:41:27] <gastaldi> Sleep time
[06:41:28] <PeteRoyle> see ya
[06:41:37] <gastaldi> See ya tomorrow
[06:41:41] <bleathem> cu gastaldi!
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[06:50:26] <bleathem> EntityConverter is something from Seam 2, correct?
[06:50:52] <stuartdouglas> yes
[06:53:03] <stuartdouglas> really EntityConverter can be replaced with a generic conversation scoped convertre
[06:53:42] <stuartdouglas> basically you have a conversation scoped components with a map<String, Object>
[06:53:59] <stuartdouglas> when you convert to a String you generate a arbitrary string id and store it
[06:54:08] <stuartdouglas> to convert back you just do a map lookup
[06:54:21] <stuartdouglas> so you can convert anything as long as you have a conversation active
[06:56:22] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Wasn't there something to do with an ID mapper or manager or something like that in Seam Persistence?
[06:56:55] <stuartdouglas> we were talking about putting it in faces
[06:57:02] <stuartdouglas> but I don't think it ever happened
[06:57:11] <lightguard_jp> Though that generic conversation scoped converter would work well.
[06:58:10] <lightguard_jp> We could have a very simple interface for them to implement that would take in an object and they give us the string for it.
[06:58:24] <stuartdouglas> we don't even need that
[06:58:34] <lightguard_jp> Thinking of using toString or hash?
[06:58:35] <bleathem> that's a great idea
[06:58:44] <bleathem> the Conversataion converter I mean
[06:58:47] <stuartdouglas> as long as there is a conversation active we just store an arbitrary string in the map
[06:58:57] <stuartdouglas> e.g. an iincrementing integer
[06:59:03] <lightguard_jp> That works.
[06:59:09] <bleathem> one could use the view scope, no?
[06:59:18] <bleathem> you always post back to the same page
[06:59:19] <stuartdouglas> yes, any long lived scope would work
[06:59:33] <lightguard_jp> Was thinking they'd might want more control over the string value, but I doubt it would matter much.
[06:59:46] <stuartdouglas> arbitrary strings are better
[06:59:49] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: we could use the hashcode to generate the string used
[07:00:02] <lightguard_jp> Hashcode isn't safe
[07:00:08] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas's idea is better.
[07:00:11] <bleathem> but I guess the possibility of collision is too high
[07:00:21] <lightguard_jp> You could get collisions depending on how they implemented hash code.
[07:00:26] <lightguard_jp> Yep
[07:00:35] <bleathem> hmm, we need a jira for that
[07:00:47] <lightguard_jp> There is one for it, I'm assigned
[07:00:47] <bleathem> SEAMFACES-28
[07:00:49] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-28] ObjectConverter and EntityConverter [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Critical, Jason Porter] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-28
[07:01:01] <lightguard_jp> I think a comment with a link to the log for this would be fine.
[07:01:04] <bleathem> is this what "ObjectConverter" is about?
[07:01:16] <stuartdouglas> yes
[07:01:27] <stuartdouglas> if you have ObjectConverter you don't really need entityConverter
[07:01:38] <stuartdouglas> although you could do an entityConverter that leaks the primary key
[07:01:46] <stuartdouglas> that would not need a long lived conversation
[07:02:15] <bleathem> well, if we use the view scope, we wouldn't need a conversation anyway
[07:02:57] <lightguard_jp> Only thing with a viewscoped one is you'd lose the converter if you switched to a different view
[07:03:11] <lightguard_jp> Say you have an entity you need around for the whole process
[07:03:16] <bleathem> but you always post back to the same view
[07:03:24] <lightguard_jp> You'd lose it and have to refetch each view.
[07:03:27] <bleathem> it would get converted on the post back
[07:03:42] <lightguard_jp> Not everyone would post back to the same view.
[07:03:48] <bleathem> that's how JSF works
[07:03:53] <bleathem> it posts bak to the same view
[07:04:12] <bleathem> unless you are using viewparams, and get requests I guess
[07:04:17] <bleathem> then the converter would be lost
[07:04:19] <lightguard_jp> But once I navigate away from that view then it's a different one and a new converter
[07:04:36] <bleathem> but at the time you navigate, you've already converted back to an object
[07:04:46] <bleathem> and can use a new converter instance when rendering the next page
[07:04:55] <lightguard_jp> Take the standard wizard scenario. Let's just say three pages.
[07:05:11] <lightguard_jp> I fetch something, or create something on page 1 that I want to keep around until page 3
[07:05:26] <bleathem> everytime you post back, it gets converted to an object
[07:05:34] <lightguard_jp> As I work through the wizard I go to page 2, maybe forgot something on page 1 have to go back and eventually get to page 3
[07:05:39] <bleathem> in the update model values phase
[07:05:53] <bleathem> and it gets converted back to a tring on every render response
[07:06:06] <bleathem> I'm prety sure it would work
[07:06:06] <lightguard_jp> Right, but the ViewRoot (which I think is where the ViewScoped stuff is stored, right?) is different
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[07:06:15] <bleathem> doesn't matter
[07:06:23] <bleathem> you get a new converter, and a new string each time
[07:06:32] <bleathem> but the conversion back to an object happens on every post back
[07:06:40] <lightguard_jp> I don't want a new string though.
[07:06:50] <bleathem> you don't care - you don't see it
[07:06:59] <bleathem> it's just used to map to the object
[07:07:01] <lightguard_jp> a new string would imply a new instance of the value, right?
[07:07:04] <bleathem> and you program against objects
[07:07:19] <bleathem> no, just a new map-value association
[07:07:24] <bleathem> the value is the samp
[07:07:27] <bleathem> ^key-value
[07:08:26] <lightguard_jp> Forgive me for being the skeptic, but I'd want to see that one proved out first.
[07:09:27] <lightguard_jp> If we had viewaccessed scope I'd say, certainly use that one, but not 100% convinced on ViewScoped
[07:09:56] <bleathem> Well, once it's implemented, it's easy enough to toggle the scope
[07:10:07] <lightguard_jp> hehe, true enough
[07:10:22] <lightguard_jp> is JSFUnit and Arquillian at a point we can use it for testing?
[07:11:48] <bleathem> still waiting on a JSFUnit realease, as far as I know
[07:11:57] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: Was that done?
[07:12:06] <bleathem> I've blogged about the hack night, highlighting some of the issues
[07:12:19] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Great! Thanks
[07:12:21] <bleathem> do you think it's bad if I put a RichFaces tag on it, to get it on the jboss.org feed?
[07:12:35] <lightguard_jp> Is Seam not in the feed?
[07:12:35] <bleathem> I never did get my blog set up to pull on the Seam tag
[07:12:41] <lightguard_jp> Ah
[07:12:43] <bleathem> shoulda
[07:12:44] <lightguard_jp> No, that's fine
[07:12:45] <bleathem> coulda
[07:12:46] <bleathem> woulda
[07:14:33] 
[07:14:38] <bleathem> should htat be week's?
[07:14:44] <bleathem> it's posseive right?
[07:14:57] <bleathem> the internet has made me so bad at grammar
[07:16:22] <lightguard_jp> Yes, you are correct
[07:20:11] <bleathem> tweet for my blog:
[07:20:12] <bleathem> http://twitter.com/#!/brianleathem/status/111669708167725056
[07:21:12] <lightguard_jp> Retweeted
[07:21:16] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: hopefully that gives some people a head start tomorrow
[07:21:18] <bleathem> htanks
[07:21:22] <bleathem> ^thanks
[07:21:32] <bleathem> "thanks" deserves to be spelled correctly
[07:22:12] <bleathem> retweeted with RichFaces too
[07:22:19] <bleathem> why not...
[07:23:59] <bleathem> chkal retweete
[07:24:00] <bleathem> d
[07:24:02] <bleathem> cool
[07:24:30] <bleathem> I like that blog, it was fun to write
[07:24:47] <bleathem> technical blogs take so much longer to put together
[07:25:28] <lightguard_jp> Indeed
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[07:29:25] <bleathem> should I nurse the RichFaces jira, or fold laundry
[07:29:28] <bleathem> decisions.
[07:29:54] <lightguard_jp> lol
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[13:48:17] <gastaldi> hey all
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[13:58:09] <jose_freitas> hey _gegastaldi
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[14:01:59] <Guest77017> oh damn
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[14:16:09] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master 6b8bb5c.. Jozef Hartinger Test boms for GF remote, JBoss AS 6 remote + managed, JBoss AS 7 remote
[14:16:09] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master 028f918.. jharting Merge pull request #5 from jharting/test-boms...
[14:16:09] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/5411d83...028f918
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[14:48:10] <gastaldi> have anyone used ActivitiBpm ?
[14:48:20] <gastaldi> http://www.activiti.org/
[14:48:35] <gastaldi> I think it was made by ex-red hatters
[14:48:52] <gastaldi> Tom Baeyens
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[14:55:57] <gastaldi> http://www.bpm-guide.de/2011/02/10/remember-seam-and-jbpm-try-out-cdi-and-activiti/
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[16:22:23] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master bf8d80a.. Jozef Hartinger Added Arquillian Ajocado and Arquillian Drone for functional tests.
[16:22:23] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/028f918...bf8d80a
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[16:52:37] <bleathem> so waht does @Inject Instance<...> do?
[16:52:49] <lincolnthree> It's kills you
[16:52:51] <lincolnthree> Errr
[16:52:52] <lincolnthree> I mean
[16:52:57] <bleathem> lol
[16:52:58] <lincolnthree> It gives you an instance object
[16:53:04] <lincolnthree> for a given type
[16:53:12] <lincolnthree> from which you can do various things :)
[16:53:14] <bleathem> that's @inject Substance<...> that kills you!
[16:53:20] <lincolnthree> hah!
[16:53:42] <bleathem> looking up the api
[16:54:43] <bleathem> ok cool
[16:54:53] <bleathem> so in the case of SEAMFACES-108
[16:54:55] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-108] Add producer for UIViewRoot [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Minor, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-108
[16:55:06] <bleathem> is would make up for the short-lived nature of the UIViewRoot
[16:55:13] <bleathem> s/is/it/
[16:55:37] <bleathem> (as Dan suggested originally, and I didn't understand)
[16:55:43] <bleathem> got it now
[16:58:18] <jose_freitas> hey bleathem
[16:58:31] <bleathem> hey jose_freitas!
[17:00:05] <jose_freitas> Im desperate trying to config the jsfunit maven release plugin so we can have it for tonight, but if I cannot do it, don't you think we could use the snapshot today?
[17:01:27] <bleathem> we can use the snapshot sure, but we can't release with the snapshot dependency
[17:01:27] <jose_freitas> I'll be working with it all day long, until I get it right. but even if I finish, maybe andrew won't have time to deploy it to nexus
[17:03:03] <jose_freitas> we've been working on the project admin for two weeks now to straight the project up.
[17:03:26] <bleathem> jose_freitas: that's great!  too bad it's so much work :P
[17:03:53] <jose_freitas> code is ready to beta2 for two weeks now(with AS7 support)
[17:04:22] <jose_freitas> well, let me back to work then
[17:04:23] <bleathem> nice
[17:04:29] <bleathem> wish I could help
[17:07:15] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop 72b2222.. Jozef Hartinger .gitignore
[17:07:16] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop 7516138.. Jozef Hartinger migrated rest-tasks to arquillian ajocado
[17:07:16] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop 8013f8b.. Jozef Hartinger migrated rest-exceptions to use Arquillian
[17:07:16] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop 861ae92.. Jozef Hartinger Merge branch 'feature/SEAM-98' into develop
[17:07:16] <jbossbot> jira [SEAM-98] Migrate functional tests to use Arquillian Ajocado + Drone [Open (Unresolved) Task, Major, Jozef Hartinger] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAM-98
[17:07:17] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/rest/compare/defc3f7...861ae92
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[18:16:09] <jbossbot> git [social] push services_modules 4bf90d2.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Reactoring to put services bean in separate modules
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[18:40:25] <gastaldi> hey lincolnthree1
[18:40:37] <lincolnthree1> hey gastaldi
[18:41:28] <gastaldi> I see you made some work on the scaffolding feature in Forge
[18:41:36] <lincolnthree1> gastaldi: a bit, yeah
[18:41:38] <gastaldi> gonna try it now
[18:41:44] <lincolnthree1> sweet :)
[18:41:53] <lincolnthree1> it should be much more reliable now when installing into an existing JSF environment
[18:41:57] <lincolnthree1> or even its own
[18:41:59] <lincolnthree1> lol
[18:42:03] <gastaldi> cool
[18:42:20] <lincolnthree1> I also removed a few Rewrite rules that could have cause conflicts with other apps
[18:43:37] <gastaldi> nice
[18:43:49] <gastaldi> Is there a bean validation plugin on Forge ?
[18:43:55] <lincolnthree1> yes
[18:44:00] <lincolnthree1> not sure how it works :)
[18:44:04] <gastaldi> :)
[18:44:06] <lincolnthree1> i think you can add constraints to fields
[18:44:10] <lincolnthree1> it's built in though
[18:44:12] <lincolnthree1> no need to install
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[18:44:18] <gastaldi> It would be nice if these constraints be added when creating new fields
[18:44:27] <lincolnthree1> it's in the javaee-api/impl
[18:44:28] <lincolnthree1> yeah
[18:44:32] <lincolnthree1> i'd like that, too
[18:44:42] <gastaldi> I think Roo does that
[18:44:47] <lincolnthree1> yeah they do
[18:46:46] <gastaldi> Hum, can we remove the compile warning for SigHandler class ? I think it depends on sun apis
[18:47:41] <lincolnthree1> the warning is justified
[18:47:46] <lincolnthree1> why remove it?
[18:48:05] <lincolnthree1> we can @Suppress it or whatever
[18:48:21] <gastaldi> No big deal, just it gives these weird compilation warnings when building
[18:48:48] 
[18:49:05] <lincolnthree1> it can't?
[18:49:16] <gastaldi> I doubt IBM packages these Sun classes
[18:49:31] <lincolnthree1> they don't but I'm pretty sure we've isolated them, no?
[18:50:18] <gastaldi> huh, nope, check org.jboss.forge.shell.SigHandler
[18:51:15] <lincolnthree1> right, but that class only gets called if the class exists
[18:51:18] <lincolnthree1> take a look at where it's used
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[18:51:47] <gastaldi> ah clever ! :)
[18:52:18] 
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[18:52:27] <gastaldi> hahaha
[18:52:46] <gastaldi> That message should definitely be logged
[18:52:59] <lincolnthree1> "Windows? Really? Ok..."
[18:53:05] <gastaldi> lol
[18:53:30] <gastaldi> that makes me smile everytime I run it
[18:53:45] <lincolnthree1> it would if i ever saw it :(
[18:53:48] <gastaldi> And see that i still use this Windows crap
[18:54:23] <gastaldi> oh oh, build failure for me :(
[18:54:35] <lincolnthree1> on what?
[18:54:45] <gastaldi> testNewBean(org.jboss.forge.spec.cdi.BeansPluginTest)
[18:54:52] <lincolnthree1> odd
[18:54:56] <gastaldi> Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException
[18:54:56] <gastaldi>         at org.eclipse.jdt.core.dom.SimpleName.setIdentifier(SimpleName.java:190)
[18:54:56] <gastaldi>         at org.eclipse.jdt.core.dom.AST.newSimpleName(AST.java:1269)
[18:55:04] <lincolnthree1> that should have been fixed
[18:55:11] <lincolnthree1> i specifically fixed that
[18:55:22] <gastaldi> I pulled just now
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[18:58:54] <gastaldi> lincolnthree1: Does it make sense to have a EJB plugin on Forge ?
[18:59:31] <gastaldi> I think jose_freitas mentioned that once
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[19:35:38] <gastaldi> hummm Is it worth to develop on a desktop technology nowadays ?
[19:36:23] <mojavelinux> i would say no
[19:36:48] <mojavelinux> desktops really are dying, except a special case contract, where are immune to trends
[19:37:03] <mojavelinux> for instance, a special call center or gov't agency that is just going to run that way, regardless of what the world does
[19:37:14] <mojavelinux> but for general purpose, it's either web or phone/tablet app
[19:37:45] <mojavelinux> in fact, my recent experience with tablets proves that laptops are just plain annoying in comparison
[19:37:53] <mojavelinux> i would rather do everything on my tablet if I could
[19:39:39] <gastaldi> nice
[19:40:29] <mojavelinux> i was very reluctant to get a tablet, only got into it because I got one from google i/o...and then I just realized it was where it's at
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[19:46:53] <bleathem> I want a tablet
[19:46:56] <bleathem> .
[19:47:03] <bleathem> but loving my phones
[19:47:08] <bleathem> ^phone
[19:47:16] <bleathem> a "mini-tablet"
[19:47:43] <bleathem> I was reluctant to get a "smart phone".  the RedHat paid for it :P
[19:47:48] <bleathem> ^then
[19:47:57] * bleathem man my typing is way off today
[19:51:49] <bleathem> good to see you hanging out in IRC mojavelinux!
[19:52:19] <mojavelinux> :)
[19:52:26] <mojavelinux> yeah, the phones are mini-tablets in a way
[19:52:42] <mojavelinux> the benefit of the tablet is mostly ergonomic
[19:52:45] <mojavelinux> it just fits the body
[19:55:21] <gastaldi> my concern is about functionality and usability. Some stuff works better on Desktop techs
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[20:22:58] <dabloem> hi, when does the seam-faces hacketon starts
[20:24:21] <ssachtleben> page down ... again
[20:27:50] <bleathem> hi dabloem - it starts at 22:00 UTC
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[20:32:23] <dabloem> bleathem, thank you
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[21:11:52] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: are you around for the hack night tonight?
[21:11:59] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Check org.jboss.forge.resources.AbstractResource.getFullyQualifiedName()
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[21:13:55] <gastaldi> The test failed because this code is not using File.separator. But it could break other stuff if changed
[21:15:18] <gastaldi> let me change it and see if the build fails because of that
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[21:19:14] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Should be
[21:19:35] <bleathem> cool
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[21:34:47] <lightguard_jp> sfwk extremely slow for other people as well?
[21:46:21] <gastaldi> not for me
[21:51:11] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Forge Fix is OK for Windows.
[21:51:28] <gastaldi> just rebuilt Forge now and worked ok
[21:51:44] <lincolnthree> I'll take a look in a bit :)
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[22:11:24] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: No Menu yet ? :(
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[22:13:19] <jose_freitas> gastaldi, I asked once about an EJB plugin
[22:13:21] <jose_freitas> :)
[22:13:32] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: Yeah I remember that
[22:14:06] <jose_freitas> something like we have for cdi
[22:14:57] <jose_freitas> btw,  after releasing JSFUnit Beta2, I'll work on a forge plugin to "install" jsfunit on an application
[22:15:50] <gastaldi> cool
[22:16:20] <gastaldi> Holy crap !! Scaffolding in Forge works with REST-like urls now !
[22:16:37] <lincolnthree> :)
[22:16:43] <gastaldi> cool
[22:16:52] <gastaldi> Just needs a menu to be excellent ! :D
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[22:17:23] <lincolnthree> ideas welcome :)
[22:17:32] <gastaldi> pull requests welcome also :)
[22:18:03] <gastaldi> hummm no jQuery yet
[22:18:42] <gastaldi> richfaces ?
[22:18:57] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Huh?
[22:19:15] <gastaldi> We need a menu on Forge. Richfaces has the menu components
[22:20:35] <gastaldi> Just like: http://richfaces-showcase.appspot.com/richfaces/component-sample.jsf?demo=dropDownMenu&skin=blueSky
[22:20:45] 
[22:22:01] <lightguard_jp> rruss: ping
[22:22:02] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: thoughts ?
[22:22:27] <rruss> lightguard_jp: pong
[22:22:41] <lightguard_jp> rruss: What is sole?
[22:22:41] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: i've been thinking about how to do that
[22:22:58] <lincolnthree> I think the best way is to create a menu that pull from a list of objects
[22:23:02] <lincolnthree> those objects are basically beans
[22:23:06] <gastaldi> hum
[22:23:06] <lincolnthree> that are created:
[22:23:12] <rruss> lightguard_jp: fish :)
[22:23:14] <lincolnthree> @MenuItem
[22:23:25] <lincolnthree> Or maybe an interface
[22:23:42] <gastaldi> Primefaces has it ready to use !
[22:23:46] <lincolnthree> @MainMenu public class Item implements MenuItem { }
[22:23:47] <gastaldi> http://www.primefaces.org/showcase-labs/ui/menu.jsf
[22:23:51] <lightguard_jp> rruss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_(fish) ?
[22:23:52] <lincolnthree> yes, that's how to do the UI
[22:24:01] <lincolnthree> we need a way to pick-up items dynamically
[22:24:06] <lincolnthree> we can use any UI we want
[22:24:11] <gastaldi> yeah, there is a programatically model
[22:24:27] <lincolnthree> I was just going to use <ui:repeat>
[22:24:28] <rruss> lightguard_jp: yup, that's it
[22:24:30] <lincolnthree> it's not too hard ;)
[22:24:37] <lincolnthree> we don't need a special menu component
[22:24:43] <gastaldi> :(
[22:24:46] <lightguard_jp> rruss: What does it taste like?
[22:24:50] <lincolnthree> once we get something simple working, we can get fancy
[22:24:57] <gastaldi> right
[22:25:01] <lincolnthree> right now we don't even have a way to tell what "should" or "shouldn't" be in the menu at all
[22:25:08] <lincolnthree> until we can do that, no menu component will help us :)
[22:25:13] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: You can just create plain XHTML then
[22:25:16] <lincolnthree> So the question is:
[22:25:19] <gastaldi> No ui:repeat
[22:25:29] <gastaldi> let the CSS do the magic
[22:25:30] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop 2dcb119.. Cody Lerum fix pom SEAMMAIL-23
[22:25:31] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-23] project does not build due tue pom.xml spellnig error of version [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-23
[22:25:31] <lincolnthree> Ok, how would we add entities then?
[22:25:31] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop b060bee.. codylerum Merge pull request #10 from codylerum/develop...
[22:25:31] <jbossbot> git [mail] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/497e67c...b060bee
[22:25:43] <lincolnthree> You need ui:repeat.
[22:25:52] <gastaldi> just add a new <a> when creating new entities
[22:25:53] <lincolnthree> Forge doesn't edit JSF XHTML
[22:25:54] <lincolnthree> ..
[22:26:04] <rruss> lightguard_jp: I would say it's similar to orange ruffy, not as "meaty" as salmon
[22:26:07] <gastaldi> What ? and what about index.html ?
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[22:26:14] <lincolnthree> Each page has to be able to handle everything we could possibly add to it.
[22:26:15] <lincolnthree> nope
[22:26:17] <lincolnthree> it overwrites it
[22:26:18] <gastaldi> oh
[22:26:20] <gastaldi> ahh
[22:26:23] <gastaldi> right
[22:26:36] <gastaldi> hum, We need a PageFacet then :)
[22:26:43] <lightguard_jp> rruss: Haven't had ruffy, difficult to get good fish here in Utah.
[22:26:59] <lincolnthree> we need to create a simple system where you can register things that get rendered into the menu
[22:27:10] <gastaldi> a XML ?
[22:27:13] <lincolnthree> no
[22:27:16] <lincolnthree> TypeSafe
[22:27:20] <lincolnthree> Java
[22:27:20] <gastaldi> hum
[22:27:30] <lincolnthree> I mean, I suppose we could do XML, but...
[22:27:42] <lincolnthree> I think people would prefer to just create a class
[22:27:47] <lincolnthree> When adding their own menu items
[22:27:50] <gastaldi> What about annotations ?
[22:27:53] <lincolnthree> yep
[22:27:57] <lincolnthree> that's what I was suggesting above
[22:27:58] <lincolnthree> :)
[22:28:01] <gastaldi> :)
[22:29:13] <gastaldi> is it on JIRA yet ?
[22:29:17] <lincolnthree> i believe so
[22:29:52] <lincolnthree> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-54
[22:29:53] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-54] Scaffolding should be able to handle navigation configuration (prompt to add a nav-case or menu item) [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Ronald van Kuijk] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-54
[22:30:02] <gastaldi> nice
[22:30:12] <lincolnthree> seems like ronald has disappeared though
[22:30:39] <lincolnthree> time for me to do it myself i guess :)
[22:30:44] <gastaldi> :)
[22:30:54] <gastaldi> Fun time
[22:31:55] <gastaldi> Any more thoughts about lombok ?
[22:33:05] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: http://seamframework.org/Community/ViewScopeWithCDI#comment168112 Is that a known problem?
[22:34:07] <bleathem> dunno, I'm not that familiar with client side state saving
[22:37:57] <ssachtleben> lincolnthree: whats about The type com.ocpsoft.common.pattern.Specialized cannot be resolved. It is indirectly referenced from required .class files ?
[22:38:35] <ssachtleben> did you changed HttpConfigurationProvider
[22:38:38] <ssachtleben> ?
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[22:39:54] <lincolnthree> ssachtleben: I'm guessing the artifacts might not have sync'd to central?
[22:39:58] <lincolnthree> which version?
[22:40:10] <ssachtleben> SNAPSHOT
[22:40:21] <lincolnthree> yeah, SNAPSHOT doesn't sync to central
[22:40:32] <lincolnthree> you'll have to add the OCPSoft repo
[22:40:37] <ssachtleben> 20110907.201109-28
[22:40:44] <ssachtleben> I have it already in my pom
[22:40:46] <lincolnthree> hmm
[22:40:57] <lincolnthree> oh wait
[22:41:05] <lincolnthree> which rewrite artifact is in your pom?
[22:41:38] <ssachtleben> rewrite-impl-servlet
[22:41:45] <lincolnthree> hm
[22:42:12] <ssachtleben> it worked yesterday fine
[22:42:19] <ssachtleben> today just update baam exception :D
[22:42:27] <lincolnthree> is it complaining about artifacts not being resolved?
[22:42:36] <lincolnthree> it should if that's not working
[22:42:40] <lincolnthree> otherwise just try Alpha4
[22:43:12] <lincolnthree> if there's an artifact missing, i could make sure it's published for you
[22:43:13] <ssachtleben> not really I see also the jars in Maven Dependencies
[22:43:17] <lincolnthree> hm
[22:43:43] <lincolnthree> try Alpha4
[22:44:36] <ssachtleben> ok gone
[22:44:49] <bleathem> javascript question, does clicking a button give it focus?
[22:44:56] <ssachtleben> seems like SNAPSHOT is damaged or something?
[22:45:00] <lincolnthree> bleathem: it should
[22:45:15] <lincolnthree> ssachtleben: i suppose that's possible
[22:46:08] <bleathem> doesn't seem like it does
[22:46:15] <bleathem> I have to tab to the button for it to get focus
[22:46:23] <lincolnthree> ahhh that might be the case
[22:46:29] <lincolnthree> hm
[22:46:35] <lincolnthree> that is a bummer if that's the case
[22:46:44] <bleathem> just means I have to find another way to do it
[22:46:59] <lincolnthree> onClick?
[22:47:08] <ssachtleben> lol I have switched back to SNAPSHOT no error
[22:47:20] <lincolnthree> ssachtleben: IDE error
[22:47:21] <ssachtleben> strange never saw that before
[22:47:46] <ssachtleben> ok well false alert ... again :(
[22:48:13] <lincolnthree> :)
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[22:48:57] <gastaldi> hey
[22:49:12] <gastaldi> It would be cool if we had a @ThreadScoped annotation
[22:49:13] <gastaldi> in Solder
[22:49:29] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: that's just @RequestScoped in EE
[22:49:55] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Even when no Web context exists ?
[22:49:57] <lincolnthree> in servlet
[22:50:07] <lincolnthree> probably not
[22:52:44] <gastaldi> http://svn.codehaus.org/activiti/activiti/trunk/modules/activiti-cdi/src/main/java/org/activiti/cdi/impl/context/
[22:53:04] <gastaldi> Three classes do the job: ThreadContext, ThreadScoped and CachingBeanStore
[22:54:28] <gastaldi> WELDSE-11
[22:54:29] <jbossbot> jira [WELDSE-11] @ThreadScoped in SE [Closed (Done) Feature Request, Minor, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELDSE-11
[22:54:59] <lincolnthree> right, weld SE might have that already
[22:55:02] <lincolnthree> but not weld EE :)
[22:55:06] <lincolnthree> sorry
[22:55:12] <gastaldi> yeah
[22:55:22] 
[22:55:32] <lincolnthree> yep
[22:55:36] <gastaldi> it should go into Solder I suppose
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[22:58:13] <gastaldi> SOLDER-121
[22:58:14] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-121] Add @ThreadScoped support to Solder [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-121
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[23:17:34] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: jsfunit ready to go?
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[23:24:57] <josefreitas_aw> hey lightguard_jp
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[23:25:43] <jose_freitas> lightguard_jp,  codebase is stable
[23:25:48] <jose_freitas> with AS7 support
[23:26:00] <jose_freitas> but we didn't manage to have an official release yet
[23:26:10] <lightguard_jp> drat
[23:26:22] <jose_freitas> we've been organizing the project for quite some time now
[23:26:27] <jose_freitas> admin tasks
[23:26:30] <lightguard_jp> would have been very nice for the hack night
[23:26:41] <jose_freitas> yeah, I'm with it all day long
[23:26:54] <jose_freitas> sent an email to andrew
[23:27:05] <jose_freitas> if he has sometime, maybe we can have for tonight
[23:27:10] <jose_freitas> I believe we have everything
[23:28:28] <jose_freitas> we can work with the snapshot though
[23:28:53] <jose_freitas> building jsfunit would not offer any resistance :)
[23:31:13] <lightguard_jp> true
[23:32:34] <jose_freitas> and in a couple of days we can change to Beta2 version
[23:32:45] <jose_freitas> after this wall, releasing new versions will be much easier
[23:35:04] <ssachtleben> clerum ping
[23:38:12] <lincolnthree> bleathem: does richfaces have tooltip popups?
[23:40:11] <bleathem> lincolnthree: yes
[23:40:15] <bleathem> rich:tooltip
[23:40:46] <bleathem> lincolnthree: http://richfaces-showcase.appspot.com/richfaces/component-sample.jsf?demo=tooltip&skin=blueSky
[23:40:56] <lincolnthree> ew ugly though
[23:41:13] <lincolnthree> thanks
[23:43:06] <bleathem> lincolnthree: ugly, styling wise?
[23:43:11] <lincolnthree> yeah
[23:43:17] <bleathem> styles can/will be changed
[23:43:20] <lincolnthree> yeah
[23:43:22] <lincolnthree> not complaining
[23:43:29] * bleathem slaps lincolnthree
[23:43:33] <lincolnthree> ow
[23:44:12] <bleathem> so no booze on the island. 'sup with that?!
[23:44:34] <lightguard_jp> next week will indeed be interesting :)
[23:45:04] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Sorry, they're catering to me :P
[23:45:16] <lincolnthree> bleathem: really????
[23:45:16] <bleathem> lol
[23:45:26] <lincolnthree> who's rule is that?
[23:45:30] <lincolnthree> ours or theirs?
[23:45:32] <bleathem> not a rule, just a fact
[23:45:35] <bleathem> you can bring some along
[23:45:40] <bleathem> but it's not available on island
[23:45:40] <lincolnthree> oh, that's cool
[23:45:48] <lincolnthree> i'm sure we'll get some
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[23:46:06] <bleathem> the question is: how big a bottle can I show up with, without looking like a drunk? ;)
[23:46:33] * bleathem ** crickets **
[23:46:43] <lincolnthree> pretty big i think
[23:55:13] <lightguard_jp> I guess I'll get the crappy bed / spot being the last one there in our group
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