[00:01:07] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree1: Does that make any sense?
[00:02:39] <lincolnthree1> So what does forge do with the queries once it reads them?
[00:02:46] <lincolnthree1> im just getting caught up in your language i think
[00:02:50] <lincolnthree1> not sure what you are saying
[00:04:18] <lightguard_jp> It will stash them off in memory. Forge can then generate a Query class (like what we have in Confbuzz currently) using the selected query. The whole class would be generated by Forge without the user having to do anything save say they want to create a query class and use a selected query.
[00:04:35] <lincolnthree1> So we'd in a sense, be parsing the named query?
[00:04:47] <lightguard_jp> No, we don't need to parse it.
[00:04:54] <lincolnthree1> Just keep trackof the names?
[00:04:58] <lightguard_jp> We just need to keep a list of them and their names.
[00:05:01] <lightguard_jp> Yep
[00:05:08] <lincolnthree1> Ok, I haven't seen the confbuzz example in a while
[00:05:12] <lincolnthree1> we use a class-per-query pattern?
[00:05:20] <lightguard_jp> Hasn't changed much :)
[00:05:56] <lightguard_jp> https://github.com/seam/seam-example-confbuzz/blob/develop/src/main/java/seam/example/confbuzz/TodaysConferencesQuery.java
[00:06:02] <lightguard_jp> https://github.com/seam/seam-example-confbuzz/blob/develop/src/main/java/seam/example/confbuzz/AllConferenceQuery.java
[00:06:17] <lincolnthree1> ah nice
[00:06:19] <lincolnthree1> I like it
[00:06:29] <lightguard_jp> It's basically all boiler plate that forge can take care of
[00:06:30] <lincolnthree1> very nice
[00:06:33] <lincolnthree1> yeah
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[00:06:59] <lightguard_jp> We can also do the same for Entity Instance classes: https://github.com/seam/seam-example-confbuzz/blob/develop/src/main/java/seam/example/confbuzz/ConferenceInstance.java
[00:07:19] <lightguard_jp> These could probably be generic classes and added to Seam Persistence
[00:07:46] <lightguard_jp> It's a pity Config can't flesh out methods, otherwise we could do all of this in Config XML as well.
[00:08:21] <lincolnthree1> That's a ni eidea.
[00:08:23] <lincolnthree1> nice
[00:08:31] <lincolnthree1> want to put an issue in for each one?
[00:08:47] <lincolnthree1> (i know, sorry, lol)
[00:10:04] <lightguard_jp> Okay
[00:10:12] <lincolnthree1> thanks!
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[00:19:14] <lightguard_jp> Boo, no jbott
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[00:21:33] <lightguard_jp> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-280
[00:21:34] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-280] Add ability to generate Entity Query classes with Persistence plugin (using Named Queries) [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-280
[00:21:35] <lightguard_jp> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-279
[00:21:36] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-279] Add ability to generate Entity Instance classes with Persistence plugin [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-279
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[02:24:46] <gastaldi> hey
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[02:40:49] <gastaldi> yo all
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[03:17:17] <bleathem> ping anybody
[03:17:24] <stuartdouglas> hey
[03:17:30] <bleathem> Hi stuart
[03:17:50] <bleathem> I'm driving myself crazy in the JSF class hierarchy
[03:18:13] <bleathem> I find myself needing to invoke super.super.someMethod()
[03:18:18] <bleathem> which of course you can't do
[03:19:03] <bleathem> do you know if there any way to achieve some similar effect?
[03:19:45] <stuartdouglas> hmm, not at a java level
[03:19:48] <bleathem> I suppose it would be possible with Reflection
[03:19:53] <stuartdouglas> even reflection won't work
[03:20:01] <bleathem> reall
[03:20:01] <bleathem> y
[03:20:09] <stuartdouglas> as it follows the normal virtual method result ion rules
[03:20:14] <bleathem> I hate inheritance
[03:20:26] <stuartdouglas> you can do it at a byte code level I think
[03:20:30] <bleathem> at least I do right now :P
[03:20:35] <stuartdouglas> using invokespecial
[03:20:39] <Diablo-D3> so
[03:20:43] <stuartdouglas> but that is probably not much use to you :-)
[03:20:45] <Diablo-D3> I think Ive decided on how to save java
[03:20:52] <Diablo-D3> take all the modern java techniques
[03:20:55] <Diablo-D3> and then
[03:20:59] <Diablo-D3> write my own goddamned language.
[03:21:07] <bleathem> thanks stuartdouglas, I'll stop barking up that tree then
[03:21:17] <Diablo-D3> oracle wont see it coming!
[03:21:32] <Diablo-D3> bleathem: erm
[03:21:45] <Diablo-D3> why cant you cast yourself to a different class and then call it?
[03:22:03] <stuartdouglas> cause virtual methods don't work like that
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[03:22:09] <Diablo-D3> like ((super's super)this).method
[03:22:26] <bleathem> Diablo-D3: it just doesn't work that way
[03:22:38] * Diablo-D3 writes down things he'll make work in his language
[03:22:38] <stuartdouglas> it still just translates to an invokevirtual in the bytecode
[03:22:50] <stuartdouglas> so your not going to have inheritance?
[03:22:55] <Diablo-D3> oh I will
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[03:23:12] <stuartdouglas> inheritance without virtual methods seems kinda pointless
[03:23:27] <Diablo-D3> well except
[03:23:31] <Diablo-D3> that doesnt stop that
[03:23:35] <Diablo-D3> java just doesnt let you describe it
[03:23:46] <Diablo-D3> in the end, java works a lot like "C OO"
[03:24:04] <Diablo-D3> class.method(...) turns into class_method(instance, ...)
[03:24:15] <Diablo-D3> and yes, Java, internally, really is that
[03:25:10] <Diablo-D3> nothing particularly is stopping you from calling a method from a class you inherited from
[03:25:18] <johnament> bleathem, you need to switch to PHP to do stuff like that
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[03:26:03] <Diablo-D3> stuartdouglas: btw, its somewhat lame to say Java has virtual methods
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[03:26:29] <bleathem> johnament: that makes me shudder
[03:26:29] <stuartdouglas> java does have virtual methods
[03:26:36] <Diablo-D3> java _only_ has virtual methods
[03:27:00] <stuartdouglas> not true
[03:27:05] <stuartdouglas> private methods aren't virtual
[03:27:12] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[03:27:13] <stuartdouglas> static methods aren't virtual
[03:27:17] <Diablo-D3> I think static might be
[03:27:22] <stuartdouglas> and final methods aren't virtual
[03:27:27] <Diablo-D3> ahh maybe
[03:27:28] <stuartdouglas> they are not
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[03:27:35] <Diablo-D3> stuartdouglas: but thats the thing
[03:27:42] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop 82f92c4.. John D. Ament Moved and refactored tests to run as both modeshape and jackrabbit.
[03:27:43] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/4246744...82f92c4
[03:27:57] <Diablo-D3> I... do not want to read 500 pages of Java spec.
[03:27:58] <Diablo-D3> Ever.
[03:28:08] <johnament> sometimes you need to Diablo-D3
[03:28:44] <Diablo-D3> No, bleathem does ;) ;) ;) ;)
[03:29:06] <Diablo-D3> but seriously, you cant call a super super's method?
[03:29:11] <Diablo-D3> that is retarded
[03:29:35] <bleathem> If the class hierarchy is designed correctly, you shouldn't need to
[03:29:46] <bleathem> problem is in this case, I don't control the class hierarchy
[03:30:00] <johnament> bleathem, why not?
[03:30:16] <bleathem> JSF classes
[03:30:21] <Diablo-D3> bleathem: yeah but thats the things
[03:30:25] <johnament> api or impl?
[03:30:38] <Diablo-D3> bleathem: sometimes languages have to allow fixing other people's dumb shit
[03:30:54] <bleathem> johnament: api methods
[03:31:01] <Diablo-D3> Ive been using Java because there is always a non-dumb shit option for any given thing I need
[03:31:03] <gastaldi> hey johnament!
[03:31:07] <Diablo-D3> but I cant always rely on that
[03:31:08] <gastaldi> Are the tests in JCR passing?
[03:31:18] <bleathem> johnament: but it's the impl of the method that's causing me trouble
[03:31:26] <johnament> gastaldi, yes, i just fixed that randomly failing test
[03:31:43] <gastaldi> Cool
[03:31:46] <johnament> bleathem, are both impls the same?
[03:32:06] <bleathem> johnament: even if they are now, I can't count on that in the future
[03:32:28] <johnament> unless you read the spec
[03:33:12] <johnament> and the spec guarantees that it will work one way
[03:37:40] <gastaldi> johnament: Remove the System.out from RepositoryResolverImpl
[03:37:42] <johnament> gastaldi, it's stable!
[03:37:44] <gastaldi> plz
[03:37:48] <gastaldi> :)
[03:38:03] <johnament> gastaldi, i've been trying to find that for hours
[03:38:11] <gastaldi> hehe
[03:38:40] <gastaldi> Cool refactoring
[03:38:44] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop 6777554.. John D. Ament Fixed System.out call in impl class.
[03:38:44] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/82f92c4...6777554
[03:39:24] <gastaldi> Congrats !
[03:39:54] <johnament> hmmmm
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[03:40:12] <johnament> jboss ci says it can't find bag
[03:40:37] <gastaldi> :P
[03:40:42] <gastaldi> Dumb JBoss CI
[03:41:47] <Diablo-D3> so wait
[03:41:51] <Diablo-D3> if I make my own language
[03:42:01] <Diablo-D3> I cant ever have read the Java spec or seen the JVM source code
[03:42:09] <Diablo-D3> otherwise Oracle will try to sue me
[03:43:09] <gastaldi> johnament: That may be because of the commons-collections dependency missing ?
[03:44:01] <johnament> gastaldi, no, its there, i think
[03:44:03] 
[03:44:06] <gastaldi> Yeah, sorry
[03:45:10] <johnament> gastaldi, its in the profiles, but should be moved up i think.
[03:45:46] <gastaldi> yeah, the profile may not be activated
[03:46:05] <gastaldi> agreed
[03:47:36] <johnament> modeshape is default, jackrabbit is the alternate
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[03:48:23] <gastaldi> Hum, I always thought that  <activeByDefault>true</activeByDefault> were activated when no other active profiles were found
[03:48:54] 
[03:49:12] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop ef13f58.. John D. Ament Further modifications to the build.
[03:49:12] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/6777554...ef13f58
[03:49:36] <johnament> gastaldi, that is correct
[03:50:06] <gastaldi> cool
[03:50:27] <johnament> basically, if you give it no profile then it's modeshape, otherwise you can specify the jackrabbit profile
[03:50:33] <johnament> think of it like the multiple containers
[03:50:34] <gastaldi> is the maven-compiler-plugin necessary on the impl pom ?
[03:50:44] <gastaldi> nice
[03:51:05] <johnament> gastaldi, source version
[03:51:21] <gastaldi> hum
[03:51:39] <gastaldi> because of modeshape ?
[03:52:07] <gastaldi> I think we should follow the seam standard
[03:52:20] <johnament> jcr 2.0 requires 1.6
[03:52:23] <gastaldi> ah
[03:52:28] <gastaldi> Really ?
[03:52:39] <gastaldi> :P
[03:52:51] <Diablo-D3> okay so
[03:53:18] <Diablo-D3> no one thinks I should troll oracle with a new java-like language?
[03:53:23] <johnament> jcr 2.0 is based on service loader
[03:53:31] <johnament> Diablo-D3, that would be correct
[03:53:43] <Diablo-D3> sigh.
[03:55:04] <gastaldi> johnament: There is javax.imageio.spi.ServiceRegistry in JDK 5
[03:55:20] <gastaldi> which does the same
[03:55:35] <gastaldi> But our code is based on ServiceLoader
[03:55:50] <gastaldi> I think we should use the Solder one
[03:56:01] <gastaldi> To provide 1.5 compatibility
[03:57:29] <gastaldi> org.jboss.seam.solder.util.service.ServiceLoader
[03:57:41] <gastaldi> WDYT ?
[04:00:26] <johnament> well, modeshape requires 1.6
[04:00:37] <johnament> anyways i gotta get to bed
[04:00:41] <johnament> night y'all
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[04:09:32] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop 789a649.. George Gastaldi Using seam default JDK version
[04:09:32] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/ef13f58...789a649
[04:09:40] <gastaldi> fixed :)
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[04:18:21] <bleathem> sweet, pursued a different avenue, and it turned out to be a simpler solution than what I was trying
[04:18:34] <bleathem> "I love it when a plan comes toegether!"  <-- Hannibal Smith
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[04:22:06] <gastaldi> hey sbryzak
[04:22:14] <sbryzak> gastaldi: heya
[04:22:27] <gastaldi> is the seam parent pom ready ?
[04:22:44] <gastaldi> The 13th one
[04:22:47] <sbryzak> it will be shortly
[04:22:54] <sbryzak> just doing some last minute testing
[04:23:07] <gastaldi> cool
[04:35:00] <gastaldi> Hum, 13rd should be the correct term :)
[04:38:01] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master 6d502c9.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 13
[04:38:01] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/ec9d794...6d502c9
[04:38:05] <jbossbot> git [parent] push 13 URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/0000000...8fd208f
[04:38:12] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master 1a1c4fb.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[04:38:12] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/6d502c9...1a1c4fb
[04:42:08] <sbryzak> gastaldi: seam-parent 13 is released
[04:42:16] <sbryzak> i'll release the bom also
[04:44:03] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop 414858e.. George Gastaldi Updated seam-parent
[04:44:03] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/789a649...414858e
[04:44:06] <gastaldi> Cool
[04:44:39] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master 38dfd17.. Shane Bryzak update seam module versions to 3.1.0.Beta2
[04:44:39] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/fb571df...38dfd17
[04:45:30] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master 5196461.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.1.0.Beta2
[04:45:30] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/38dfd17...5196461
[04:45:35] <jbossbot> git [dist] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/0000000...f77f018
[04:45:43] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master 820775f.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[04:45:43] <jbossbot> git [dist] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/dist/compare/5196461...820775f
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[04:49:30] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 29d311f.. Shane Bryzak update parent, seam-bom versions
[04:49:30] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/6e89ace...29d311f
[04:50:42] <gastaldi> sbryzak: Are you changing for all the modules ?
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[04:51:01] <sbryzak> gastaldi: the parent version?
[04:51:06] <gastaldi> yeah
[04:51:18] <sbryzak> i'll change them as i prepare them for release
[04:51:23] <gastaldi> cool
[04:52:05] <gastaldi> When will Seam be released ?
[04:52:42] <sbryzak> well the beta2 release is officially underway right now ;)
[04:53:30] <gastaldi> And all the modules will be released individually also ?
[04:54:53] <sbryzak> yes
[04:54:57] <gastaldi> Nice
[04:54:57] <sbryzak> there's no other way
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[05:13:44] <gastaldi> lincolnthree1: Thanks for listing me as a contributor for Seam Forge in https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/SEAMFORGE/Home :)
[05:14:03] <sbryzak> gastaldi: i need to release another parent
[05:16:18] <gastaldi> woot ?
[05:16:27] <gastaldi> :(
[05:16:57] 
[05:17:18] <sbryzak> it's missing some stuff...
[05:17:35] <gastaldi> Hum, so it will be a 14 ? Or will you overwrite it ?
[05:18:08] <gastaldi> no problem on that
[05:18:16] <sbryzak> it will be 14
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[05:21:27] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master 29b6aff.. Shane Bryzak add maven-source-plugin to release build
[05:21:27] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/1a1c4fb...29b6aff
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[05:22:21] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master 62846a0.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 14
[05:22:21] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/29b6aff...62846a0
[05:22:25] <jbossbot> git [parent] push 14 URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/0000000...bfa2a90
[05:22:31] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master f59c212.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[05:22:31] <jbossbot> git [parent] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/parent/compare/62846a0...f59c212
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[05:39:12] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop a16d53b.. Shane Bryzak update parent version, fix distribution
[05:39:12] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/29d311f...a16d53b
[05:42:14] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop e96cd3d.. George Gastaldi Updated parent version
[05:42:14] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/414858e...e96cd3d
[05:43:11] <sbryzak> now the release plugin is seriously pissing me off
[05:43:17] <gastaldi> Why ?
[05:43:30] <sbryzak> [ERROR] You can't push to git://github.com/seam/solder.git
[05:43:31] <sbryzak> [ERROR] Use git at github dot com:seam/solder.git
[05:43:37] <gastaldi> hum
[05:44:23] <gastaldi> would it be the case of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6938045/maven-release-plugin-with-github-does-not-work-in-2-2-1 ?
[05:45:21] <gastaldi> nah, nevermind
[05:46:38] <sbryzak> it makes no sense, both the parent and bom released successfully
[05:47:14] <sbryzak> ah, the solder url is different
[05:47:17] <lincolnthree1> i hate the release plugin
[05:47:24] <lincolnthree1> the git URL always screws me somehow
[05:47:27] <sbryzak> dammit
[05:47:28] <lincolnthree1> i feel like I fix it every time
[05:47:32] <sbryzak> ok rolling it back again
[05:48:21] <gastaldi> Yeah, Maven really kicks in the nuts sometimes
[05:48:22] <sbryzak> i don't know why the solder git url is different
[05:50:54] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 8c0be93.. Shane Bryzak fix scm url, damn you maven!!!
[05:50:54] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/a16d53b...8c0be93
[05:52:08] <sbryzak> ok, third time's the charm
[05:52:15] <gastaldi> lol
[05:52:21] <gastaldi> nice comments
[05:52:44] <sbryzak> i need to vent somewhere
[05:52:54] <gastaldi> hehe
[05:54:24] <gastaldi> you should use some aussie slangs, like: "I am always Cranky with Maven"
[05:54:58] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 44097f0.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.1.0.Beta2
[05:54:58] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/0000000...44097f0
[05:55:03] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/0000000...048ac0e
[05:55:11] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 5f63fb2.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[05:55:11] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/44097f0...5f63fb2
[05:56:00] <gastaldi> yaaaay, habemus solder
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[05:59:01] <gastaldi> or a better rephrase: Which module will be worked on the next Seam hack night ?
[05:59:45] <sbryzak> wtf maven!!! [ERROR] Failed to execute goal org.sonatype.plugins:nexus-maven-plugin:1.7:staging-close (default-cli) on project seam-solder-parent: Failed to close open staging repository: POST request failed; HTTP status: 400: Bad Request -> [Help 1]
[05:59:58] <gastaldi> :P
[06:00:27] <gastaldi> Hummm Seems like a Nexus issue
[06:00:35] <sbryzak> i think i can close it manually
[06:01:09] <gastaldi> the 400 could be related to authorization issues
[06:01:13] <sbryzak> dammit
[06:01:22] <sbryzak> no sources jar for seam-solder-logging
[06:01:30] <sbryzak> i didn't realise we had a rule for that
[06:01:37] <sbryzak> it's a shaded jar though...
[06:01:43] <gastaldi> hum
[06:03:25] <gastaldi> ok, gotta sleep now
[06:03:27] <gastaldi> seee
[06:03:30] <gastaldi> see ya
[06:03:50] <sbryzak> cya
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[06:03:58] <sbryzak> i wonder if i can create a source artifact that's empty...
[06:10:49] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/048ac0e...0000000
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[06:17:39] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop f230d2e.. Shane Bryzak force creation of logging source artifact
[06:17:39] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/8c0be93...f230d2e
[06:19:00] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/5f63fb2...0000000
[06:23:37] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 4a793cf.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.1.0.Beta2
[06:23:37] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/0000000...4a793cf
[06:23:41] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/0000000...c85d291
[06:23:47] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 f01e4d2.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[06:23:47] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/4a793cf...f01e4d2
[06:29:08] <sbryzak> finally got solder released
[06:29:33] <sbryzak> i need a strong drink after that
[06:30:09] <Diablo-D3> you mean the entire bottle.
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[06:51:38] <lightguard_jp> What a day
[06:52:04] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Still around?
[06:54:08] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: yep i'm here
[06:54:55] <lightguard_jp> I was thinking about talk about Beta2, those plans, may need to talk about testing again as well for the meeting.
[06:54:57] <lightguard_jp> Any other ideas?
[06:55:58] <sbryzak> hmm, no those are the big ones
[06:56:06] <sbryzak> testing is a hot topic at the moment
[06:56:57] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Yeah, I read some of the source for surefire today. Very disillusioned with it now.
[06:57:16] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 366cd2b.. Shane Bryzak remove arquillian version property
[06:57:16] <jbossbot> git [solder] push 3.1.0.Beta2 URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/f01e4d2...366cd2b
[06:57:19] <sbryzak> can we possibly do something with gradle?
[06:57:30] <lightguard_jp> And the extracting a jar approach is a massively huge hack to work around the very issue that we're talking about: multiple source directories for tests.
[06:57:42] <sbryzak> yeah i hate hacks like that
[06:57:42] <lightguard_jp> This wouldn't even be an issue in gradle.
[06:57:53] <lightguard_jp> You'd just add the source directory and be done with it.
[06:58:20] <sbryzak> what do you think about using gradle just to execute the test suite?
[06:58:28] <lightguard_jp> Hm
[06:58:33] <sbryzak> i mean, it's not something we want to run as part of the standard build anyway
[06:58:43] <sbryzak> as long as jenkins can support it
[06:58:54] <lightguard_jp> I was going to ask how you'd want to run it.
[06:59:06] <lightguard_jp> The other possibility would be to add ant to the poms to do this.
[06:59:08] <sbryzak> well either manually, or as a jenkins job
[06:59:10] <lightguard_jp> Which again, is another hack
[06:59:16] <sbryzak> no ant
[06:59:47] <lightguard_jp> hack surefire?
[06:59:58] <sbryzak> do we have any requirement to execute these tests from maven?
[07:00:27] <lightguard_jp> Probably not, but it would be one additional step for community members who want to test any enhancements.
[07:00:49] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 4a793cf.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.1.0.Beta2
[07:00:49] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop f01e4d2.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[07:00:49] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 366cd2b.. Shane Bryzak remove arquillian version property
[07:00:49] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop 841ba07.. Shane Bryzak Merge branch 'release/3.1.0.Beta2' into develop
[07:00:50] <jbossbot> git [solder] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/f230d2e...841ba07
[07:00:51] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 594327b.. Stuart Douglas SOLDER-112 Fix disposal methods on default beans
[07:00:52] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-112] Default producer with a disposal method doesn't work [Resolved (Done) Bug, Major, Stuart Douglas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-112
[07:00:52] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 8385ea9.. Shane Bryzak refactored logging api into org.jboss.seam.logging package, added manifest entries required for logging in as7
[07:00:53] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 73b7bc3.. Shane Bryzak Merge branch 'develop' of github.com:seam/solder into develop...
[07:00:54] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 9f186c6.. Shane Bryzak added testsuite
[07:00:54] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 1afe00e.. Shane Bryzak messing around with test configurations
[07:00:55] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 642d0a0.. Shane Bryzak fix test compiler errors
[07:00:56] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 9de49f8.. Shane Bryzak fixed the damn tests
[07:00:57] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 3f907cf.. John D. Ament Added new deployment method to not add beans.xml.  Modified Alternative test to not add beans.xml.
[07:00:57] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 403e5de.. Shane Bryzak Merge pull request #38 from johnament/develop...
[07:00:58] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master aaab439.. Ken Finnigan Fixes for solder testsuite
[07:00:59] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 916b295.. Shane Bryzak Merge pull request #39 from kenfinnigan/develop...
[07:01:00] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 0246ba7.. Shane Bryzak fix distribution
[07:01:00] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 6e89ace.. Shane Bryzak Merge branch 'develop' of github.com:seam/solder into develop
[07:01:01] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 29d311f.. Shane Bryzak update parent, seam-bom versions
[07:01:02] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master a16d53b.. Shane Bryzak update parent version, fix distribution
[07:01:03] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 8c0be93.. Shane Bryzak fix scm url, damn you maven!!!
[07:01:03] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master f230d2e.. Shane Bryzak force creation of logging source artifact
[07:01:04] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 4a793cf.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.1.0.Beta2
[07:01:05] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master f01e4d2.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[07:01:06] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 366cd2b.. Shane Bryzak remove arquillian version property
[07:01:11] <lightguard_jp> :)
[07:01:18] <sbryzak> true
[07:01:21] <lightguard_jp> Gotta love the maven pain
[07:01:39] <sbryzak> i hate maven with a passion
[07:01:52] <lightguard_jp> I was chuckling at the commit message
[07:02:15] <lightguard_jp> I think most people that have used maven for a multi module project hate it.
[07:02:16] <sbryzak> it goes through the entire release process, everything is successful and then it fails to push to git
[07:02:20] <sbryzak> because a url is wrong
[07:02:22] <lightguard_jp> Yep.
[07:02:24] <lightguard_jp> Been there
[07:02:29] <sbryzak> have they ever heard of prevalidation of configuration?
[07:02:50] <lightguard_jp> One of my pet peeves is that it runs *everything* *all the time*
[07:02:52] <sbryzak> they should be checking all of the configuration params right at the start
[07:03:08] <lightguard_jp> I just did a dry run, I haven't committed anything, nothing has changed, WHY ARE YOU RUNNING TESTS AGAIN???
[07:03:16] <lightguard_jp> bang head on table
[07:03:31] <sbryzak> and then, it couldn't close the repository in nexus because solder-logging didn't have a source artifact
[07:03:38] <sbryzak> that's probably the way we have nexus set up though
[07:03:44] <lightguard_jp> Probably.
[07:03:56] <sbryzak> but it's wrong... in this particular instance solder-logging is a shaded jar, there is no source
[07:04:11] <sbryzak> so yet another hack to force it to create an empty source artifact
[07:04:16] <sbryzak> what a pain
[07:04:16] <lightguard_jp> Based on the messages I've read from the gradle list, we may be seeing a 1.0 release by or maybe before the end of the year.
[07:04:27] <lightguard_jp> Yep.
[07:04:28] <sbryzak> that would be awesome
[07:04:34] <sbryzak> how is the gradle plugin community?
[07:04:42] <sbryzak> compared to maven i mean
[07:04:51] <lightguard_jp> Not bad. Certainly not as big as Maven of course, but growing.
[07:05:05] <lightguard_jp> Plugins are also orders of magnitude easier to write
[07:05:17] <sbryzak> now that's good to hear
[07:05:22] <sbryzak> maven plugins are black magic
[07:05:28] <lightguard_jp> Yep.
[07:06:18] <lightguard_jp> We could do gradle for the test suite, but then I think we'd end up writing gradle builds for everything.
[07:06:42] <lightguard_jp> Otherwise you'd have to constantly change the gradle build each release, make sure you mvn install before running the tests, etc
[07:06:57] <lightguard_jp> Seems like a lot of work for little gain if we're only doing it for the test suite
[07:07:03] <sbryzak> hmm, ok let's leave it for now
[07:07:16] <sbryzak> but the day is coming where maven must be cast out
[07:07:23] <lightguard_jp> Do we hack surefire and use our own version?
[07:07:38] <sbryzak> ugh, i really don't like that idea
[07:07:48] <lightguard_jp> Aslak's patch may do what we want, but not 100% sure.
[07:08:08] <lightguard_jp> You're ruled out ant in the pom.
[07:08:17] <sbryzak> let's get the beta2 release out, then spend some more time on working out the testsuite config
[07:08:21] <lightguard_jp> We're quickly running out of ways to do what we want :(
[07:10:13] <sbryzak> we may end up having to do that, although i don't know where/how we would release the plugin
[07:10:27] <sbryzak> we might have to rename it to seam-surefire-plugin or something
[07:10:51] <lightguard_jp> Suite me fine.
[07:11:18] <lightguard_jp> We'd be looking at maintaining it for five, six months maybe?
[07:12:48] <sbryzak> at least that long i think
[07:13:48] <lightguard_jp> At least until Gradle 1.0 is out, right?
[07:14:15] <sbryzak> yep
[07:15:01] <lightguard_jp> That may be the most sane approach
[07:15:06] <lightguard_jp> Maybe
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[10:42:57] <tttom> any seam forge core developer hiere?
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[13:13:54] <sbryzak> maschmid: ping
[13:14:00] <maschmid> sbryzak: pong
[13:14:10] <sbryzak> maschmid: thanks for working on the solder tests
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[13:14:33] <sbryzak> we still need to do a lot of work to "stabilise" our testing strategy
[13:14:57] <sbryzak> it's one of the items on the agenda for this week's irc meeting if you can make it
[13:15:05] <maschmid> sbryzak: sure, no problem
[13:15:14] <sbryzak> btw, the jboss-logging dependencies should already be in the manifest for solder-impl
[13:15:57] <sbryzak> and if you'd like to send a pull request for the updated arq dependencies to seam-parent we'll get that merged for the next release
[13:16:09] <maschmid> ok
[13:17:20] <maschmid> I first need to check if the other containers are working with the newest arquillian
[13:18:31] <sbryzak> np
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[13:59:34] <aslak> jharting, aa.. you need to use file:// it seems
[13:59:46] <aslak> oops, wrong chan
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[15:07:58] <tttom> i cannot find anybody from seam forge team in the channel? Where how can i  find them?
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[15:16:12] <gastaldi> hey
[15:41:08] <gastaldi> pmuir: You there ?
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[15:43:30] <marekn> tttom: look at http://seamframework.org/Documentation/SeamForge#H-MaintainersAndContributors
[15:48:29] <tttom> it'
[15:48:41] <tttom> it's looks like nobody is here...
[15:48:57] <pmuir> gastaldi: hi
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[15:58:29] <marekn> ttom: right ;-)
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[16:17:39] <gastaldi> pmuir: There is an issue with seam + AS7 with Weld Deployer
[16:17:52] <gastaldi> pmuir: http://community.jboss.org/message/622383#622383
[16:18:12] <gastaldi> The error is: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Class org.jboss.as.weld.webtier.jsf.WeldApplicationFactory is no javax.faces.application.ApplicationFactory
[16:18:28] <gastaldi> when using another JSF impl
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[16:45:56] <pmuir> gastaldi: have you got it figured out? sounds like something is bundling jsf api in your war maybe?
[16:46:14] <pmuir> but really you need to talk to stan or stuart...
[16:46:39] <gastaldi> I think I need it, because I am using JSF 2.1
[16:46:40] <gastaldi> Cool
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[16:46:59] <pmuir> yeah, ok check with stan that you should be doing that
[16:47:02] <pmuir> then talk to stuart
[16:48:32] <gastaldi> Ok
[16:48:33] <gastaldi> Thanks
[16:49:08] <pmuir> np, i don't know much about the weld integration with as7 tbh ;-)
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[17:53:26] <tttom> lincolnthree: ping
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[18:44:32] <tttom> lincolnthree: ping
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[18:44:37] <tttom> cbrock: mike?
[18:45:04] <tttom> cbrock: mike brock?
[18:45:10] <cbrock> tttom: yes?
[18:45:55] <tttom> cbrock: you wrote the parser for the fsh files? forge seam...
[18:46:03] <cbrock> tttom: yes. and I have a bunch of bug fixes to get to
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[18:55:43] <gastaldi> tttom: why ?
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[18:58:25] <tttom> you seen some reserved words like "for", "def", "while", "if" and i'm not sure if it was implemented just for demo prusposes to start the demo.fsh or the goal is to implement the parser for expample for 'mvel'...
[18:59:01] <cbrock> tttom: well, to be clear: FSH is, for all intents and purposes, an MVEL pre-parser
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[19:00:07] <tttom> ooo. its fine...
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[19:00:59] <tttom> there is possible to execute functions
[19:01:09] <tttom> from shell object...
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[19:01:25] <tttom> like " at SHEL dot xxx"
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[19:02:00] <tttom> can i reference other forge objects?
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[19:04:51] <tttom> for example " at pluginRegistry dot addPlugin(xxx)"
[19:05:11] <tttom> just want to know which other functionality are behind the fsh files...
[19:06:10] <lincolnthree1> tttom i'll have to check. I think that we only really support SHELL at the moment
[19:06:19] <lincolnthree1> each one has to be added specifically
[19:06:51] <lincolnthree1> if you want, you could create an issue with things you'd like to have access to
[19:06:53] <lincolnthree1> and we can add them
[19:08:10] <tttom> sorry for so much questions guys, it is difficult to see you guys on irc on hours i'm in the office...
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[19:11:16] <tttom> in the earlier releases there was tutorial documentation. Now I only see the intallation steps and a screencast...
[19:11:24] <tttom> under: https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/SEAMFORGE/Home
[19:11:27] <lincolnthree1> tttom: look on the left side
[19:11:30] <lincolnthree1> there should be navigation
[19:11:54] <tttom> ok thanks...
[19:12:04] <lincolnthree1> did you find it?
[19:14:00] <tttom> i tryed to execute all the steps from your screencasts and installed the prettyfaces with 'forge git-plugin https://github.com/ocpsoft/prettyfaces-forge-plugin.git'. unfortunatelly not see the prettyfaces commands... only the faces command... Use the beta1 version of seam forge...
[19:14:12] <lincolnthree1> did you restart forge?
[19:14:19] <tttom> yes, many times
[19:14:22] <lincolnthree1> hmm
[19:14:31] <lincolnthree1> did you try:
[19:14:36] <lincolnthree1> forge install-plugin prettyfaces ?
[19:15:37] <tttom> This is a prototype feature and has limited functionality., Connecting to remote repository [http://seamframework.org/service/File/148617]... connected!, ***ERROR*** [forge install-plugin] no plugin found with name [prettyfaces]
[19:15:46] <lincolnthree1> ah
[19:15:51] <gastaldi> tttom: You must delete your .plugins dir
[19:15:53] <lincolnthree1> delete your ~/.forge directory
[19:15:57] <gastaldi> I mean, your .forge
[19:15:59] <gastaldi> :)
[19:16:07] <gastaldi> I ran into this issue also :)
[19:16:33] <gastaldi> lincolnthree1: We should upgrade it when a new version is run
[19:16:52] <gastaldi> or have a forge command to do it
[19:17:31] <lincolnthree1> gastaldi: yeah, lots of stuff i need to do :(
[19:17:35] <gastaldi> :)
[19:18:58] <tttom> i will try..
[19:23:11] <tttom> it was my fault, i used the alfa4 version....
[19:23:30] <lincolnthree1> tttom: *sighs relief* lol
[19:23:33] <lincolnthree1> I was worreid!
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[19:26:39] <tttom> yeh
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[19:32:11] <tttom> just tryed with beta1 from 'https://repository.jboss.org/nexus/index.html#nexus-search;gav~org.jboss.forge~forge-modules~~~~kw,versionexpand'. the command 'forge install-plugin prettyfaces' is working, but prettyfaces still not there....
[19:34:04] <lincolnthree1> restart forge?
[19:34:51] <tttom> yes, still nothing...
[19:34:58] <lincolnthree1> 	strange
[19:35:01] <lincolnthree1> let me try
[19:37:39] <tttom> the same with the selfe wrote plugins. Not see any commands...
[19:37:58] <lincolnthree1> what OS?
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[19:38:36] <tttom> openSuSe 11.4
[19:38:43] <lincolnthree1> tttom: are you actually in a project?
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[19:39:10] <lincolnthree1> prettyfaces won't show up unless you are in a project
[19:39:57] <tttom> :-)
[19:40:21] <lincolnthree1> works?
[19:40:23] <tttom> hurra....
[19:40:28] <lincolnthree1> yay
[19:44:05] <tttom> ok, in beta1 it is working, in the alfa4 there was no prety faces also in the projects...
[19:44:18] <lincolnthree1> sweet :)
[19:44:22] <tttom> in the project context...
[19:44:37] <lincolnthree1> yea, wrong APIs probably
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[19:45:23] <tttom> it is really sweet. 30minutes with you and i answered questions for 2 days traying out...
[19:45:34] <lincolnthree1> im just sorry it took you so long!!
[19:45:37] <lincolnthree1> i would have helped you soner
[19:46:18] <tttom> no problem, i habe been opportunity to study the source code...
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[20:12:44] <lincolnthree1> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/us/c0005ild/us/index.html
[20:12:49] <lincolnthree1> I just experienced this.
[20:13:21] <Diablo-D3> yeah I feel left out
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[20:19:48] <ssachtleben> finally switched production system to as7 with modcluster :D
[20:21:47] <lincolnthree1> ssachtleben: excellent!
[20:22:15] <ssachtleben> it feels alot faster
[20:22:27] <gastaldi> wow
[20:22:30] <gastaldi> Congrats
[20:22:46] <ssachtleben> thx :)
[20:23:19] <ssachtleben> I have enough memory to add another node :D
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[20:25:00] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: Have you played with Primefaces 3.0.M3 ?
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[20:28:51] <ssachtleben> but Seam Cron really need a fix for the shutdown hook
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[20:36:13] <gastaldi> ssachtleben: Which issue is that ?
[20:36:32] <gastaldi> hey sbryzak  !
[20:37:39] <ssachtleben> try du undeploy a webapp with seam cron and see :P
[20:37:42] <ssachtleben> to*
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[20:39:28] <ssachtleben> SEAMCRON-15
[20:39:30] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMCRON-15] CL issues on redeployment [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Peter Royle] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMCRON-15
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[20:41:54] <gastaldi> it happens on AS7 also ?
[20:42:06] <gastaldi> ah nevermind
[20:42:15] <gastaldi> the stacktrace is there
[20:43:51] <ssachtleben> yep
[20:44:02] <ssachtleben> I have removed Seam Cron for now
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[22:18:42] <jose_freitas> gastaldi: nope, why?
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[22:32:14] <jose_freitas> have to go
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[22:36:01] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: ping
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[23:23:58] <gastaldi> hey
[23:24:09] <gastaldi> Have anyone here used ExtJS (Sencha) ??
[23:24:45] <gastaldi> of course, without GWT, because it sucks
[23:25:33] <gastaldi> :)
[23:28:10] <hannelita> lightguard_jp: pong
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[23:49:26] <lightguard_jp> hannelita: You have the pull request ready?
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[23:49:32] <lightguard_jp> for confbuzz
[23:49:46] <hannelita> I *think* I pull requested
[23:49:50] <lightguard_jp> I need to spend some time with it, but don't want to duplicated work.
[23:50:20] <hannelita> let me check it
[23:50:30] <lightguard_jp> There are no pull requests and I know I haven't closed any
[23:50:48] <hannelita> Ah, I didnt pull request yet. Let me ask you some things before requesting
[23:51:03] <lightguard_jp> sure
[23:51:13] <hannelita> Fr a new user (sign up process), can I create a "profile" page?
[23:51:18] <hannelita> *for
[23:51:44] <lightguard_jp> Yep, that's one of the things that will need to be done
[23:51:47] <hannelita> I mean, bt cicking on sign up, you will be redirected to a profile's page
[23:51:49] <hannelita> ok
[23:51:52] <hannelita> Also
[23:51:53] <hannelita> about roles
[23:51:57] <hannelita> I did some
[23:52:21] <lightguard_jp> I haven't tested roles, not sure the best way to do it and what's broken
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[23:53:00] <hannelita> hmm, there is a good example at security module
[23:53:17] <hannelita> I think there are no big changes from the way it was on seam 2
[23:53:22] <lightguard_jp> Excellent. I suggest we go that route.
[23:53:23] <hannelita> I mean, the roles idea is the same
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[23:53:32] <lightguard_jp> Adding them is a little different.
[23:53:39] <lightguard_jp> I think it should be done through the picketlink api
[23:53:43] <hannelita> So, I've made just 2 roles... think we should have some more
[23:54:00] <lightguard_jp> What do you have?
[23:54:37] <hannelita> SPEAKER and ATTENDANT
[23:54:58] <hannelita> but I think we can have some more....
[23:55:59] <hannelita> I will commit the profile page RIGHT NOW before I forget (sorry, I was kinda busy this last week :(   )
[23:56:14] <lightguard_jp> I don't think that will work
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[23:56:58] <hannelita> The roles related content? Why?
[23:57:08] <hannelita> I mean, it is the same way at idmconsole
[23:57:40] <lightguard_jp> Unless there's a way to link a role to an identity and a particular conference
[23:57:54] <lightguard_jp> Otherwise you'll have people as speakers that didn't speak at a conference.
[23:58:16] <hannelita> hmm... good point...





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