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[01:30:20] <gastaldi> hey all
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[01:48:00] <gastaldi> :)
[01:48:42] <sbryzak> gastaldi: sorry, i've been sick
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[01:57:20] <gastaldi> too bad
[01:57:28] <gastaldi> Are you feeling better ?
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[02:11:57] <sbryzak> gastaldi: no, i have the flu :(
[02:12:09] <sbryzak> was hoping to avoid it this winter
[02:12:13] <sbryzak> but i wasn't lucky it seems
[02:12:21] <sbryzak> back soon
[02:13:05] <gastaldi> Damn, mate !
[02:16:32] <gastaldi> You feeling crook then
[02:17:44] * gastaldi reviews the "aussie slangs" dictionary and wishes that a language were created on Google Translate
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[02:21:03] <gastaldi> brb
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[05:04:00] <gastaldi> damn, I keep getting dcd
[05:06:53] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: pay her more
[05:07:34] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Hard to do when you are in a cheap hotel :P
[05:08:04] <lincolnthree> LOL
[05:08:35] <gastaldi> What about that plugin issue ?
[05:08:46] <gastaldi> Did you find out what the problem was ?
[05:10:12] <lincolnthree> no, sorry
[05:10:15] <lincolnthree> i forgot
[05:16:23] <gastaldi> :P
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[05:34:59] <sbryzak> gastaldi: list of seam security tasks has been posted on seam-dev
[05:40:02] <gastaldi> Cool ! I was reading it just now
[05:40:09] <gastaldi> Thanks sbryzak
[05:40:35] <gastaldi> Hope you get that elephant out of your head :)
[05:42:17] <bleathem> gastaldi: you Brazillians have strange expression!
[05:42:30] <gastaldi> :)
[05:42:33] <hannelita> bleathem: why? :(
[05:42:45] 
[05:43:03] <bleathem> lol gastaldi I was pretty sure it was an Ozzie expression :P
[05:43:06] <gastaldi> .. d it's hard to get any work done when it feels like an elephant is sitting on your head
[05:43:14] <gastaldi> LOL
[05:43:39] <bleathem> hannelita: just giving gastaldi a hard time :)
[05:43:48] <gastaldi> if it was an ozzie expression, it would be something like: "F*ck it" :)
[05:43:50] <hannelita> bleathem: haha
[05:43:58] <gastaldi> heheheh
[05:44:00] <bleathem> gastaldi: lol
[05:44:24] <hannelita> I'll forward the email to crazy Brazilian ppl here that might help us on the hack night
[05:44:53] <gastaldi> Yeah
[05:45:01] 
[05:45:11] <hannelita> :)
[05:45:22] <gastaldi> huh, I guess this is an Aussie expression also right ? Rockin ?
[05:45:34] <gastaldi> Ace !
[05:46:34] <gastaldi> I wish one day travel to Canada and Australia (Not on the same travel of course)
[05:47:28] <gastaldi> So I can meet the people like pictured on South Park ;)
[05:48:37] <gastaldi> And Crocodile Dundee in Australia
[05:48:49] * gastaldi hopes he is still alive
[05:51:57] <gastaldi> sbryzak: Hum, what about adding a label on these issues ?
[05:52:04] <gastaldi> like, SeamHack ?
[05:52:28] <gastaldi> much easier to search them
[05:53:55] <gastaldi> I would have added them myself if I could :)
[06:01:42] <lincolnthree> hannelita: had a look at your blogs/tutorials, nice going! will try to find some more time to give feedback. we really need a good central place for this information eventually
[06:03:21] <hannelita> lincolnthree: :) I'll try to get some good tutorials/examples... My blog got ~1k views after I published the posts
[06:03:37] <hannelita> ppl really google a lot about Seam 3, I got some statistics
[06:03:42] <lincolnthree> nice! yeah, people *really* want this stuff
[06:04:27] <gastaldi> hannelita: Congratulations
[06:05:06] <gastaldi> Now you need to learn how make some videos like lincolnthree does :)
[06:05:18] <lincolnthree> zap
[06:05:19] <lincolnthree> zapzap
[06:05:22] <gastaldi> haha
[06:05:27] <gastaldi> Glassfishes dying
[06:06:01] <gastaldi> and boats on the storm
[06:06:14] <hannelita> I mean, I'll try to post as much as I can and try to link all the posts with other tutorials. This helps a lot. The only bad thing is my bad english ahaha
[06:06:34] <gastaldi> hannelita: Try Google Translator. It helps me also :)
[06:07:51] <hannelita> gastaldi: I can't, My hands type before I think
[06:08:02] <gastaldi> lol
[06:08:22] 
[06:24:59] <gastaldi> SEAMSECURITY-66 is nonsense
[06:25:00] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSECURITY-66] Separated API/IMPL jars do not allow compilation of the SimpleAuthenticator example [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSECURITY-66
[06:26:13] <gastaldi> PasswordCredential, BaseAuthenticator and SimpleUser classes were designed to be on impl
[06:26:29] <gastaldi> Why change that ?
[06:30:05] 
[06:45:56] <gastaldi> ok gotta sleep
[06:46:01] <gastaldi> Night !
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[08:08:32] <bleathem> anyone around?
[08:09:19] <bleathem> ping sbryzak
[08:10:43] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: I'm here.
[08:10:48] <lightguard_jp> Shane may or may not be, he's sick
[08:10:49] <bleathem> hey jason
[08:11:01] <bleathem> I have a CDI timing question
[08:11:10] <bleathem> re: SEAMFACES-185
[08:11:12] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-185] Add support for activating beans based on the JSF project stage [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-185
[08:11:17] <bleathem> seems like a great idea
[08:11:37] <bleathem> but the problem comes down to figuring out the JSF project stage from a CDI extension
[08:11:51] <lightguard_jp> Hm
[08:12:13] <lightguard_jp> Is there any way to set it besides the faces-config.xml?
[08:12:14] <bleathem> CDI extensions are processed way before JSF starts up right?
[08:12:18] <bleathem> JNDI
[08:12:26] <bleathem> but I wonder who would ever do that!
[08:12:36] <lightguard_jp> You'll have to poll those two areas and see.
[08:12:45] <lightguard_jp> It may actually be a common setup in larger shops
[08:12:56] <lightguard_jp> So the admin can control stuff with deployment
[08:13:01] <bleathem> well anyway, we can't ignore the web.xml approach
[08:13:04] <lightguard_jp> Then the devs don't need to worry about setting it.
[08:13:25] <bleathem> the only thing I can think of is to process the web.xml manually
[08:13:30] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, you'd have to look at all the locations and get it from there
[08:13:33] <lightguard_jp> Yep
[08:13:43] <Diablo-D3> okay
[08:13:44] <Diablo-D3> people
[08:13:46] <bleathem> can you query the servlet context for context params?
[08:13:49] <lightguard_jp> edburns: ping
[08:13:58] <Diablo-D3> tell me why seam persistence exists if I'm only using a javaee environment?
[08:14:00] <lightguard_jp> Weld is probably started before that too.
[08:14:09] <bleathem> hmm
[08:14:38] <lightguard_jp> Diablo-D3: There are others that use it outside of a Java EE environment, and the standard Java EE lacks some of what persistence offers
[08:14:47] <bleathem> Diablo-D3: one reason: to manage your JTA transactions at JSF phase boundaries
[08:16:18] <Diablo-D3> but... what if I dont manage them at JSF phase boundaries?
[08:16:27] <lightguard_jp> Then don't use it
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[08:17:24] <Diablo-D3> maybe Im using JPA wrong
[08:17:44] <Diablo-D3> I tag methods that do shit with the database with @TransactionAttribute(TransactionAttributeType.REQUIRED)
[08:17:52] <Diablo-D3> and my class has a @PersistenceContext private EntityManager em;
[08:18:02] <Diablo-D3> and I dont need transactions that span multiple pages
[08:18:14] <lightguard_jp> Then don't use seam-persistence.
[08:18:25] <lightguard_jp> Actually, it's never the transaction that spans pages.
[08:18:34] <lightguard_jp> Transactions only last as long as a request / thread.
[08:18:43] <lightguard_jp> It's the entity manager that stays alive
[08:18:53] <Diablo-D3> meh
[08:18:59] <Diablo-D3> I dunno, I just want to use more of seam
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[09:10:17] <jbossbot> git [catch] push develop 14fdbb6.. LightGuard Fixing up bad docbook...
[09:10:17] <jbossbot> git [catch] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/700fcdd...14fdbb6
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[10:27:06] <maschmid> stuartdouglas: ping
[10:45:21] <nickarls> lightguard_jp: if we're really pedantic, isn't it so that the entity manager dies too but the persistence context lives? ;-)
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[13:46:02] <jose_freitas> good morning
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[14:34:59] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop f6d5ddc.. Jozef Hartinger SEAMREST-47
[14:35:02] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMREST-47] Please support Servlet 3.0 container [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Jozef Hartinger] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMREST-47
[14:35:02] <jbossbot> git [rest] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/rest/compare/68a7143...f6d5ddc
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[16:02:58] <gastaldi> morning folks !
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[16:11:23] <edburns> Hello.
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[16:11:32] <edburns> lightguard_jp: Hello, you rang?
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[17:15:40] <clerum> so is CDI 1.1 slated to be before EE7?
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[18:22:36] <lightguard_jp> edburns: bleathem was trying to figure out the best way to get the project stage before JSF starts up.
[18:22:50] <lightguard_jp> It's in JNDI and web.xml, correct?
[18:23:13] <bleathem> my ears are burning
[18:23:19] <edburns> lightguard_jp: Ahh, a tricky task.  Yes, there's an algorithm in the spec that describes the order in which data sources must be consulted.
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[18:24:57] <bleathem> edburns: what we are trying to do, is conditionally activate CDI beans based on the JSF project stage
[18:25:11] <bleathem> edburns: this is done in a straightforward way with a CDI extension
[18:25:23] <bleathem> edburns: but the extension runs before JSF starts up
[18:25:55] <edburns> bleathem: Yes, I understand the quandry.  I expect you'll have to duplicate the algorithm used by JSF.  I don't think there is a standard way to ask JSF to execute the algorithm and give you the result.
[18:26:40] <bleathem> edburns: great, thanks.  I'll have a look at that further.
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[18:28:23] <lincolnthree1> bleathem: parse web.xml
[18:28:44] <lincolnthree1> or in servlet 3.0, query the init parameter
[18:28:46] <edburns> lincolnthree1: It's more than just that.
[18:29:17] <bleathem> sure, parse the web.xml, along with doing the JNDI lookup
[18:29:41] <bleathem> can we query servlet? is that available at the time a CDI extension runs?
[18:30:19] <lincolnthree1> bleathem: actually probably not
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[19:01:20] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop ffabb14.. Marek Schmidt Update the ftest
[19:01:21] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop 0386086.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Merge pull request #6 from maschmid/ftestupdate...
[19:01:21] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/social/compare/54570b8...0386086
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[20:05:03] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 3dcc8a5.. Lincoln Baxter, III Implemented SEAMFORGE-123
[20:05:05] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-123] DependencyResolver should be able to resolve dependencies from the local repository [Closed (Done) Enhancement, Major, Lincoln Baxter III] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-123
[20:05:05] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/354bb9c...3dcc8a5
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[20:05:20] <jbossbot> git [core] push master bdb102a.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge pull request #46 from koentsje/SEAMFORGE-272...
[20:05:21] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-272] Create a Placeholder in the org.jboss.forge module.xml to enable the Forge Tools to add modules [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-272
[20:05:21] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/3dcc8a5...bdb102a
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[20:12:02] <jose_freitas> openshift is free?
[20:12:57] <lincolnthree1> express is free
[20:13:07] <lincolnthree1> yes
[20:13:48] <jose_freitas> woot
[20:14:13] <jose_freitas> isn't even dependent on the bandwidth usage or storage usage/
[20:15:06] <lincolnthree1> im sure there are limits
[20:15:30] <jose_freitas> yeah
[20:16:01] <jose_freitas> I'm trying to find out where those limits are declared
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[20:19:16] <jose_freitas> it seems that it has 5gb storage limit
[20:19:19] <hannelita> jose_freitas: Try asking at #openshift channel :)
[20:19:36] <jose_freitas> thanks hannelita
[20:24:15] <gastaldi> someone told me OpenShift will be running AS7
[20:24:29] <lincolnthree1> it is
[20:24:42] <gastaldi> cool
[20:26:02] <hannelita> take a look at this gastaldi -. https://www.redhat.com/openshift/blogs?_w=MDAwMDAwMTEyODQ3MDAwMDAwMDAzNDcyMDAwMDAwMDAwNzg2&full_name=Hannelita at X&email_add=hannelita@gmail dot com&company_name=Libra-Makara&phone_number=&title=&em_id=MDAwMDAwMDAzNDcy&m=MDAwMDAwMDAwNzg2&c=MDAwMDAwMTEyODQ3
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[20:26:31] <hannelita> wow, better link here
[20:26:31] <hannelita> https://www.redhat.com/openshift/blogs
[20:26:47] <gastaldi> cool !
[20:27:11] <jose_freitas> btw, limits are: 256M storage, 256M memory, 2Mbit/s
[20:27:18] <jose_freitas> for express free version
[20:27:21] <gastaldi> hum
[20:27:29] <gastaldi> They have a GIT repo ?
[20:27:45] <jose_freitas> dunno
[20:34:28] <gastaldi> I was watching the last video on https://openshift.redhat.com/app/express
[20:34:44] <gastaldi> the "Deploy" one
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[21:09:48] <lightguard_jp> Be a little difficult to put Jenkins on that, unless you setup many slaves
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[22:04:00] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 99a88ce.. Lincoln Baxter, III Updated scaffold with new templates.
[22:04:00] <jbossbot> git [core] push master a1ff6f5.. Lincoln Baxter, III Forge logo is now a home link
[22:04:00] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/bdb102a...a1ff6f5
[22:07:06] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 4cad830.. Lincoln Baxter, III Added facesannotation dependency to scaffold
[22:07:06] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/a1ff6f5...4cad830
[22:11:22] <jose_freitas> stuartdouglas: you there?
[22:12:11] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 27399c4.. Lincoln Baxter, III Metawidget requires State Saving Client to be set
[22:12:11] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/4cad830...27399c4
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[22:24:45] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 4e86480.. Lincoln Baxter, III Updated list style and entity list linking, web.xml now configured on every setup
[22:24:45] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/27399c4...4e86480
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[22:40:49] <gastaldi> Nice logo on http://seamframework.org/Documentation/SeamForge :)
[22:43:19] <gastaldi> But it must be changed on http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Tooling
[22:44:03] <gastaldi> WTF, there are some bizarre links on the end of this page
[22:44:18] <lightguard_jp> AUGH
[22:44:27] <gastaldi> done
[22:44:30] <gastaldi> Removed them
[22:45:00] <lightguard_jp> Thanks, change the access to that page to admin as well please.
[22:45:23] <gastaldi> done
[22:45:52] <lightguard_jp> Thank you
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[22:47:22] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: Can you replace the terminator eye in that page ?
[22:49:40] <antoine_sd> gastaldi: it looked more like HAL 9000 than Terminator
[22:49:48] <gastaldi> or that :)
[22:51:11] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, hang on.
[22:52:21] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop a198cd8.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Introducing a way to configure OAuth application directly in the code...
[22:52:21] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop 8f5d19a.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Merge branch 'develop' of git at github dot com:seam/social.git into develop
[22:52:21] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/social/compare/0386086...8f5d19a
[22:53:50] <sbryzak> morning all
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[22:55:29] <gastaldi> hey sbryzak !
[22:55:31] <gastaldi> Feeling better ?
[22:55:32] <jose_freitas> morning shane
[22:55:45] <sbryzak> a little better, thanks :)
[22:55:50] <antoine_sd> evening
[22:55:53] <lightguard_jp> Morning Shane
[22:56:46] <gastaldi> I bet you got that flu from a kangaroo :)
[22:56:55] <jose_freitas> lol
[22:58:05] <sbryzak> damn kangaroos
[22:58:16] <gastaldi> Throw a boomerang onto them
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[22:59:27] <gastaldi> :)
[23:00:22] <gastaldi> Hum, any news on PeteRoyle from Seam Cron ?
[23:00:36] 
[23:01:54] <sbryzak> i think he's been busy
[23:02:42] <gastaldi> So, are we going to get this party started or what ?
[23:02:46] <gastaldi> :)
[23:02:49] <gastaldi> I mean, the meeting
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[23:04:40] <lightguard_jp> #startmeeting
[23:04:40] <jbott> Meeting started Wed Aug 10 21:00:01 2011 UTC.  The chair is lightguard_jp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
[23:04:40] <jbott> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
[23:04:45] <lightguard_jp> Welcome everyone!
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[23:05:22] <lightguard_jp> Bah, maven and it's poms I read it wrong on the meeting page again. Threw me for a sec
[23:06:04] <lightguard_jp> This meeting *could* be a quick, I thought we had more action items than we do.
[23:06:14] <lightguard_jp> #topic Follow-up from last week
[23:06:14] *** jbott changes topic to "Follow-up from last week"
[23:06:46] <lightguard_jp> The only item I have is module update for those not here, which I haven't done so I still need to do that.
[23:07:05] <lightguard_jp> #action lightguard_jp will follow-up via email with module leads that are not present.
[23:07:18] <sbryzak> i've got another item to add
[23:07:26] <lightguard_jp> Sure we can do that now
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[23:07:33] <lightguard_jp> #chair mojavelinux sbryzak
[23:07:33] <jbott> Current chairs: lightguard_jp mojavelinux sbryzak
[23:07:56] <sbryzak> we need a volunteer to update the test structure for all modules
[23:07:56] <gastaldi> #info Combined modules were removed from all the modules
[23:08:06] <sbryzak> and update to the latest arquillian
[23:08:25] <sbryzak> and configure tests for as7
[23:08:39] <lightguard_jp> #topic volunteer needed for mass module update
[23:08:39] *** jbott changes topic to "volunteer needed for mass module update"
[23:08:57] <lightguard_jp> #info Seam International and Seam Catch are all up to date
[23:09:17] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Are we hopping to get that done in the next two days?
[23:09:30] <sbryzak> no, i don't think it will be done in time for the beta
[23:09:33] <lightguard_jp> Or will we push back the beta a little bit for it?
[23:09:37] <sbryzak> i was hoping that ken could work on it with one other person
[23:09:37] <lightguard_jp> Okay
[23:09:40] <sbryzak> he doesn't seem to be here though
[23:09:46] <lightguard_jp> No, he couldn't make it.
[23:09:59] <sbryzak> i consider him an authority on the subject though :)
[23:10:12] <lightguard_jp> We can ask him on the list
[23:10:20] <sbryzak> i'll bring it up with him when i see him online next
[23:10:24] <lightguard_jp> I'd be willing to help out with that after the beta
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[23:10:32] <sbryzak> that would be great
[23:10:48] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Emailing Ken may be faster, he's typically not online after the meeting.
[23:10:57] <sbryzak> i'll do the seam-parent work, i need to go through it anyway
[23:11:05] <sbryzak> will do
[23:11:13] <lightguard_jp> We'll shoot for all modules updated to latest arquillian and testing structure for Beta2 / CR1 ?
[23:11:27] <lightguard_jp> #action sbryzak will update seam-parent
[23:11:42] <sbryzak> yes, for CR1
[23:11:46] <sbryzak> i don't think we'll have a beta2
[23:12:09] <lightguard_jp> #action lightguard_jp and kenfinnigan will work together to get modules updated (hopefully getting others to help along the way)
[23:12:27] <lightguard_jp> #info Modules should be updated to newest arquillian and test structure for CR1
[23:12:43] <mojavelinux> when migration arquillian, please update the migration page (I'll e-mail ken about it too)
[23:12:58] <mojavelinux> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/MigrationToArquillian100CR1
[23:13:04] <lightguard_jp> #action mojavelinux Will talk to kenfinnigan about updating the migration guide.
[23:13:24] <lightguard_jp> Are there others that would be able to help with this migration?
[23:13:27] <lightguard_jp> For the modules
[23:13:28] <mojavelinux> also there is http://community.jboss.org/wiki/MigrationToArquillian100Alpha5
[23:14:00] <lightguard_jp> Crickets
[23:14:05] <lightguard_jp> Okay then :)
[23:14:20] <jose_freitas> hahah
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[23:14:34] <jose_freitas> why not updating to CR2?
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[23:14:52] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: For arquillian?
[23:14:55] <jose_freitas> yes
[23:15:09] <jose_freitas> actually for seam faces, we might need final snapshot
[23:15:18] <lightguard_jp> Yes, you can update to CR2 or Final (when it's done), the CR1 was the Seam release target we want this done by
[23:15:28] <jose_freitas> ahn, ok
[23:15:33] <jose_freitas> my mistake then
[23:15:40] <lightguard_jp> Good qualification
[23:15:51] <lightguard_jp> I guess this moves into the next topic
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[23:15:56] <mojavelinux> yes, use CR2, the document is just for CR1. I'm not sure if there are API changes for CR2. I could create a stub document
[23:15:57] <lightguard_jp> #topic module update for beta
[23:15:57] *** jbott changes topic to "module update for beta"
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[23:16:38] <lightguard_jp> Please look over the minutes from the last meeting http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-08-03-21.00.html and let us know if this still holds true
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[23:16:59] <lightguard_jp> Ah, there is a question about Seam Solder from last week
[23:17:04] <lightguard_jp> Do we need another release?
[23:17:12] <lightguard_jp> Are they fixes from 3.0.0.Final people need?
[23:17:25] <sbryzak> we need a solder release
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[23:17:38] <sbryzak> pete's asked me to fix 2 issues in particular
[23:17:44] <lightguard_jp> That'll be 3.1.0.Beta1 ?
[23:18:00] <sbryzak> perhaps
[23:18:12] <lightguard_jp> Okay. I guess that's on your plate too then Shane?
[23:18:19] <sbryzak> it depends on the complexity of the issues, i haven't really looked at them closely yet
[23:18:24] <sbryzak> i may fix them for CR1
[23:18:28] <mojavelinux> I created an index for the migration guides
[23:18:30] <mojavelinux> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/ArquillianMigrationGuides
[23:18:41] <mojavelinux> sorry for being a bit OT
[23:19:12] <lightguard_jp> For now, assume Solder is staying at 3.0.0.Final for the Beta?
[23:19:30] <sbryzak> did solder have a combined jar? i can't remember
[23:19:45] <lightguard_jp> Pretty sure it did.
[23:19:56] <gastaldi> oops, I miss that :P
[23:20:03] <sbryzak> gastaldi: was just about to ask that ;)
[23:20:14] <sbryzak> ok, we need to remove that and do a 3.1.0.Beta1 release
[23:20:14] <gastaldi> hummm
[23:20:21] <gastaldi> There is no combined module in there
[23:20:25] <gastaldi> https://github.com/seam/solder
[23:20:31] <sbryzak> hmm
[23:20:59] <sbryzak> yet it's in the dist
[23:21:01] 
[23:21:10] <sbryzak> it looks like it's half done
[23:21:20] <sbryzak> i'll take a look at it later today, and do a release
[23:21:23] <sbryzak> which reminds me
[23:21:28] <gastaldi> ah crap
[23:21:34] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: have you updated the module release page yet?
[23:21:52] <lightguard_jp> For the git flow stuff?
[23:21:55] <sbryzak> yes
[23:22:03] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, that was done two or three weeks ago
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[23:22:51] <lightguard_jp> johnament: Hey John!
[23:23:05] <johnament> hey
[23:23:15] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: we need to make the commands stand out more
[23:23:24] <sbryzak> they should be in a code block
[23:23:29] <lightguard_jp> I can help out with any releases that need some help or if you run into problems.
[23:23:52] <sbryzak> also, does git flow release start merge the develop branch changes with master?
[23:24:03] <lightguard_jp> finish does
[23:24:39] <sbryzak> ok, we should describe the actual mechanics on that page also
[23:24:49] <jose_freitas> does a newcomer must always install git-flow to work on seam?
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[23:25:11] <jose_freitas> I was thinking about that, cause it could be a rock on the way of newcomers on the hacknight
[23:25:11] <sbryzak> do we have a git flow page set up on sfwk.org?
[23:25:42] <lightguard_jp> It's in the setup guide.
[23:25:48] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: They don't have to.
[23:26:13] <lightguard_jp> As long as they're issuing pull requests you could create feature branches and merge in their stuff into a feature branch before you push
[23:26:16] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: where's the setup guide?
[23:26:38] <lightguard_jp> Sorry, contribution guide
[23:26:46] <lightguard_jp> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Contribute
[23:27:18] <jose_freitas> hm, ok
[23:27:26] <sbryzak> great, that guide looks good
[23:27:38] <sbryzak> exactly what i hoped to see :)
[23:28:31] 
[23:28:33] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: as an action item, could you please update the module release page
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[23:28:41] <sbryzak> we need to 1) put the git flow commands in code blocks
[23:28:51] <sbryzak> and 2) explain what they're actually doing behind the scenes
[23:29:07] <sbryzak> and perhaps 3) talk a little bit about how the release is done in relation to the develop and master branches
[23:29:22] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Yep
[23:29:25] <sbryzak> thanks
[23:29:48] <lightguard_jp> #action lightguard_jp will update the release page with comments made here
[23:29:57] <jose_freitas> gastaldi: did you installed git-flow on windows too?
[23:30:07] <jose_freitas> install*
[23:30:07] <gastaldi> yeah
[23:30:13] <jose_freitas> easy task?
[23:30:19] <gastaldi> kinda
[23:30:25] <jose_freitas> worth mention on the contribute page?
[23:30:35] <mojavelinux> i like the content in the guide, but the image is squeezing all the steps on the left hand side
[23:30:41] <antoine_sd> have to leave
[23:30:45] <gastaldi> The steps are already described on the github page
[23:30:50] <mojavelinux> perhaps we can use a thumbnail with a popup (or direct link to diagram) instead
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[23:31:17] <sbryzak> mojavelinux: i agree
[23:31:24] <sbryzak> or at least scale the image down a bit
[23:31:41] <lightguard_jp> I pulled it right from the site.
[23:31:53] <sbryzak> i don't know how much legibility we would lose if we made it 50%
[23:32:20] <sbryzak> or we could just make it inline
[23:32:31] <mojavelinux> well, it can be a click through...I'll give it a quick shot
[23:33:45] <sbryzak> or use something like lightbox
[23:33:46] <mojavelinux> damn, the wiki is crawling
[23:33:49] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[23:33:56] <mojavelinux> on sfwk.org? that would be a 5 hour ordeal
[23:33:58] <sbryzak> yeah it's a little slow today
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[23:34:11] <mojavelinux> little is being ncie
[23:34:32] <mojavelinux> meant to say "a little is putting it nicely"
[23:34:39] <sbryzak> you could easily add the lightbox css/js to the template, would only take 5 minutes ;)
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[23:35:17] <mojavelinux> yeah, but it strips out any javascript in the code itself
[23:35:26] <mojavelinux> so how do you activate it? css class?
[23:35:28] <sbryzak> you don't need javascript
[23:35:28] <mojavelinux> I suppose
[23:35:49] <sbryzak> <a href="image.png" rel="lightbox"><img src=...
[23:35:49] <mojavelinux> so now we serve lightbox on every page?
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[23:36:12] <sbryzak> it's a small script
[23:36:18] <sbryzak> and it would be served once, then cached
[23:36:21] <lightguard_jp> Okay, getting back on topic :) Are there any updates from the leads about their modules? Questions or concerns about the upcoming beta?
[23:36:38] <bleathem> I'm still worried about the viewAction
[23:36:45] <sbryzak> i'd like an update from each module please
[23:36:53] <sbryzak> so that i know we can release it in 2 days :)
[23:36:59] <sbryzak> let's do them in alphabetical order
[23:37:14] <sbryzak> starting with...catch i guess
[23:37:18] <sbryzak> so jason, you're up :)
[23:37:27] <lightguard_jp> I can do a Beta push today for Catch 3.1.0
[23:37:39] <sbryzak> great
[23:37:46] <sbryzak> were there many issues fixed in catch?
[23:38:05] <lightguard_jp> Nothing reported by people, just my own development tickets
[23:38:13] <sbryzak> sounds good
[23:38:16] <lightguard_jp> General clean up and one extra feature
[23:38:25] <sbryzak> one sec while i write this stuff down
[23:38:36] <lightguard_jp> I guess I should put those in info
[23:38:41] <lightguard_jp> other leads, please do as well.
[23:38:42] <mojavelinux> site is too slow to do this now
[23:38:45] <lightguard_jp> Then shane doesn't have to write :)
[23:38:58] <sbryzak> i'm just keeping track in a text document for now, it's easier
[23:39:02] <sbryzak> next is config
[23:39:09] <gastaldi> bleathem: How about having Seam Faces on the next Seam Hack night ??
[23:39:12] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: is the config module good for a beta release?
[23:39:12] <lightguard_jp> #info Seam Catch will have a 3.1.0.Beta1 today
[23:39:24] <stuartdouglas>     I think so
[23:39:42] <sbryzak> good, were there any major changes/issues fixed since 3.0.0?
[23:40:34] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: ^^^
[23:40:57] <stuartdouglas> I don't think so, there were a few minor features added I think
[23:41:01] <stuartdouglas> they should be in JIRA
[23:41:11] <sbryzak> ok, great.. and while i have your attention, how about persistence?
[23:41:18] <gastaldi> mojavelinux: Why not place seamframework.org on OpenShift ?
[23:41:30] <sbryzak> gastaldi: sfwk.org is going away
[23:41:33] <gastaldi> I saw some videos that really rocket
[23:41:36] <gastaldi> rocked
[23:41:46] <stuartdouglas> persistence is ready for a release
[23:41:59] <gastaldi> That, when you push to a Git repo, the app is right online
[23:41:59] <sbryzak> great, and transaction also i assume
[23:42:20] <stuartdouglas> I assume so, I have not actually done any transactions work :-)
[23:42:25] <lightguard_jp> There have been people having problems with latest persistence on AS7, do we have tests for AS7?
[23:42:46] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: do you know if we have jira issues raise for them?
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[23:43:34] <lightguard_jp> Looks like SEAMPERSIST-60
[23:43:40] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMPERSIST-60] DefaultSeamTransaction using the comp namespace for JNDI lookup causes failure in AS7 when transaction fails [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMPERSIST-60
[23:44:06] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: any ideas?
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[23:44:48] <jose_freitas> transcation should be moved to its own module too, was it already?
[23:44:59] <sbryzak> jose_freitas: yes that's been done
[23:45:38] <jose_freitas> cool
[23:45:39] <jose_freitas> :)
[23:45:59] <gastaldi> wow ! Imagine that ! Using Transactions without JPA ! :D
[23:46:18] <gastaldi> Hope it works with Seam JMS
[23:47:09] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: looks like this is the problem line: return (javax.transaction.UserTransaction) context.lookup("java:comp/UserTransaction");
[23:47:33] <sbryzak> which namespace does the UserTransaction use in AS7?
[23:48:04] <lightguard_jp> java:jboss/UserTransaction
[23:48:07] <lightguard_jp> I think
[23:48:23] <sbryzak> ok, whatever it is we should use that as the default
[23:48:24] 
[23:48:44] <sbryzak> we should make that configurable rather than hard code it
[23:48:50] <gastaldi> to map it under comp ?
[23:49:05] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: I don't think so
[23:49:29] <mojavelinux> expose it as a property to be modified using seam config, I'd say
[23:49:39] <sbryzak> mojavelinux: agreed
[23:49:46] <sbryzak> it doesn't look like a critical bug at the moment
[23:49:51] <sbryzak> we really need a test for it
[23:50:04] <sbryzak> i'll bump it to CR1
[23:50:37] <gastaldi> the change should seem straightforward
[23:50:49] <sbryzak> gastaldi: i agree, but we need a test
[23:50:55] <gastaldi> of course
[23:51:06] <sbryzak> next module on the list is cron
[23:51:27] <sbryzak> i don't think it's going to be ready for 3.1.0.Final, by the sounds of it
[23:51:39] <sbryzak> which is fine, we can release it separately later on when it is ready
[23:51:44] <sbryzak> does everyone concur with that?
[23:52:47] <sbryzak> i'll take that as a yes
[23:52:53] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, if Peter can't get to it.
[23:53:13] <sbryzak> i'd like him to address those issues that were brought up on seam-dev
[23:53:24] <sbryzak> and there's no point rushing him to get it finished
[23:53:41] <lightguard_jp> Yeah
[23:53:52] <sbryzak> ok. we still have drools on the module list
[23:54:05] <stuartdouglas> how does cron work with EE6 @Schedule?
[23:54:08] <sbryzak> i think we should remove the link here, as cdi integration is supposed to happen in the drools project
[23:54:15] <stuartdouglas> does it provide duplicate functionality?
[23:54:19] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: i'm not certain
[23:54:28] <jbossbot> git [core] push master bbd377a.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed NPE in command completion, updated scaffold to include 404 and 500 error pages, updated scaffold styles
[23:54:29] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/4e86480...bbd377a
[23:54:32] <sbryzak> as far as i knew, it was fully based on quartz
[23:54:41] 
[23:54:46] <sbryzak> tsurdilo: ping
[23:55:02] <tsurdilo> sbryzak:  hi
[23:55:05] <sbryzak> hey tiho
[23:55:17] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: It can use quartz or normal threading I believe.
[23:55:18] <sbryzak> just wanted to ask about the status of cdi integration in drools
[23:55:37] <tsurdilo> hi shane :)
[23:55:44] <stuartdouglas> does it provide anything that @Schedule does not?
[23:55:51] <tsurdilo> dan had a longer conversation with mark p on this here the other day
[23:56:02] <sbryzak> ah, cool
[23:56:16] <tsurdilo> sbryzak: long story short (sure he can brief you) the ball is first in your court
[23:56:32] <sbryzak> ah.. what do we need to do?
[23:56:35] <mojavelinux> there's an e-mail, we'll touch base
[23:56:38] <mojavelinux> rodney has the info
[23:56:51] <tsurdilo> cool. ill help with anything. just let me know
[23:56:52] <sbryzak> mojavelinux: np, could you forward to me?
[23:56:59] <mojavelinux> of course
[23:57:01] <sbryzak> thanks
[23:57:06] <sbryzak> we need a story to tell our users
[23:57:17] <sbryzak> that's the one thing i get asked everywhere i go
[23:57:23] <sbryzak> how about jbpm and drools integration
[23:57:44] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Not 100% sure
[23:57:48] <sbryzak> so i'll follow up on that, if there's something we need to do
[23:57:56] <sbryzak> next module is faces
[23:57:59] 
[23:58:05] <sbryzak> bleathem: are you good for a beta release?
[23:58:07] <gastaldi> or Drools team ?
[23:58:10] <tsurdilo> sbryzak: i can imagine :) yeah we were really close to getting those modules done, then they moved to drools team and mark has some requirements that are needed
[23:58:10] <bleathem> Faces has two significant issues in my mind:
[23:58:10] <bleathem> 1) SEAMFACES-194 - fix proposed in jira
[23:58:10] <bleathem> 2) SEAMFACES-179 - current plan is to wait for viewAction to come in JSF 2.2.  I am uncomfortable with this, as it comes up a lot in the forums - it's an important feature.
[23:58:10] <bleathem> As for changes/issues fixed since 3.0.0 - we've had 3.0.1 and 3.0.2, each with their own significant issues, but nothing so far for 3.1
[23:58:12] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-194] Intermittent JSF bootstrapping failure on AS7 [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Brian Leathem] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-194
[23:58:13] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-179] s:viewaction not invoked [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Brian Leathem] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-179
[23:58:45] <sbryzak> tsurdilo: no problem, i'll make sure we do what's needed
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[23:59:04] <sbryzak> i might ping markp on IM in the near future
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[23:59:35] <sbryzak> bleathem: great
[23:59:47] <sbryzak> so a 3.1.0.Beta1 release would just consist of the removed combined jar
[23:59:48] <sbryzak> ?
[23:59:53] <bleathem> yep





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