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[03:46:31] <gastaldi> hey
[03:56:58] <bleathem> hey gastaldi
[03:58:06] <gastaldi> hey bleathem
[03:58:14] 
[03:58:30] <bleathem> dunno
[03:58:34] <bleathem> why Red Sox?
[03:58:40] <bleathem> I"m not in Boston...
[03:58:44] <gastaldi> doh
[03:58:47] <gastaldi> My mistake
[03:58:49] <gastaldi> :)
[03:58:54] <gastaldi> Where are you from ?
[03:59:02] <bleathem> although I do have a Red Sox hat, but I bought it just because it had a "B" on it
[03:59:09] <gastaldi> Lol
[03:59:09] <bleathem> I'm in Vancouver, Canada
[03:59:24] 
[03:59:33] <bleathem> Is he from vancouver?
[03:59:40] <gastaldi> he is canadian
[03:59:42] <gastaldi> :)
[03:59:44] <bleathem> he didn't mention that last time we hung out together
[03:59:59] <gastaldi> ah no, he is Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
[04:00:23] <bleathem> unfortunately yes, Ontario is part of Canada too :(
[04:00:39] <gastaldi> Not a good place ?
[04:01:36] <bleathem> The Vancouver/Toronto rivalry is a strong one
[04:01:49] <gastaldi> Nice knowing that
[04:01:50] <bleathem> Does Folrianopolis have a rival city?
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[04:02:13] <gastaldi> Yeah, Joinville :)
[04:02:32] 
[04:02:46] <bleathem> lol, that's usually what it come down to
[04:03:09] <gastaldi> But there are great beaches in here
[04:03:17] <gastaldi> Like in Rio
[04:03:21] <gastaldi> Only better
[04:03:32] <bleathem> Yes, there *are* great beaches in Rio
[04:03:44] <bleathem> we went to this little Island off the coast of Rio
[04:03:49] <bleathem> can't remember what it was called
[04:03:54] <bleathem> but the beach there was amazing
[04:04:02] <gastaldi> Angra ?
[04:04:02] <bleathem> and nearly deserted!
[04:04:19] <bleathem> I probably wouldn't remeber it even if you said it
[04:04:22] <gastaldi> lol
[04:04:30] <gastaldi> You erased from your memory forever
[04:04:42] <bleathem> Only place I remeber by name is Bonito, that's cuz it was my favorite
[04:04:52] <gastaldi> ah I see
[04:05:00] <bleathem> Bonito is my happy place when I need one
[04:05:08] <bleathem> have you ever been there?
[04:05:09] <gastaldi> Rio Bonito
[04:05:35] <gastaldi> no, but I see where it is
[04:05:50] <bleathem> go take a holiday there
[04:05:55] <bleathem> visit the waterfalls
[04:05:55] <gastaldi> Nice
[04:06:02] <bleathem> snorkel down the river
[04:06:10] <bleathem> I was impressed
[04:06:20] <gastaldi> Yeah, we have that in here too
[04:06:40] <bleathem> ping stuartdouglas
[04:06:44] <stuartdouglas> hey
[04:07:12] <bleathem> hey Stuart - is it as easy to attach the intellij remote debugger to AS6, as it was to AS7?
[04:07:37] <stuartdouglas> yes
[04:07:42] <stuartdouglas> the exact same thing should work
[04:07:50] <stuartdouglas> it still uses JAVA_OPTS
[04:07:57] <stuartdouglas> should work with tomcat as well I think
[04:08:02] <bleathem> nice
[04:08:09] <bleathem> I shoulda tried before asking!
[04:08:17] <bleathem> I just assumed it would be different
[04:08:28] <gastaldi> I saw lincolnthree struggling with some JAXB issues in AS7
[04:08:39] <gastaldi> Is that resolved ?
[04:09:00] <gastaldi> Here it is: https://gist.github.com/1125435
[04:10:19] <gastaldi> AS7-1470
[04:10:24] <bleathem> gastaldi: they were talking about that in #jboss-as7 today, but I didn't follow it
[04:10:32] <jbossbot> jira [AS7-1470] Application classes or applications referencing libraries depending on JAXB APIs fail to deploy [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Alessio Soldano] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AS7-1470
[04:11:00] <stuartdouglas> I will have a look later today
[04:11:30] <gastaldi> Cool
[04:11:51] <bleathem> stuartdouglas: yep that worked for AS6 too.  thanks for that, what a great way to debug apps!
[04:12:10] <stuartdouglas> I know
[04:12:22] <bleathem> I always thought the IDE had to "manage" the app server for debugging to work
[04:12:32] <bleathem> this is way simpler
[04:12:34] <gastaldi> lol, me too some time ago
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[04:34:37] <gastaldi> Hey hannelita
[04:34:46] <hannelita> gastaldi: hey :)
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[04:55:02] <hannelita> gastaldi: I'm doing crazy stuff here, but I think my idea will help ppl to learn how to use the modules
[04:55:10] <gastaldi> cool
[04:55:21] <gastaldi> hope u share it soon
[04:55:22] <hannelita> gastaldi: I might release a post EVERYDAY *crazy*
[04:55:33] <gastaldi> :) not a bad idea
[04:55:54] <hannelita> gastaldi: I might release the first today ~ 4 - 5 AM
[04:56:06] <hannelita> gastaldi: You might read it by th morning :)
[04:57:38] <gastaldi> wow
[04:58:01] <gastaldi> You must cut down some caffeine
[04:58:03] <hannelita> gastaldi: Its a stupid story (but i think it makes ppl keep reading), where I show situations, problems and how to solve them with a corss module seam solution
[04:58:17] <gastaldi> cool !!!
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[04:58:59] <gastaldi> coding too ?
[04:59:01] <hannelita> gastaldi: Idk if its that cool, but i must write something to explain the code and the main idea of seam architecture
[04:59:03] <hannelita> yes
[04:59:15] <hannelita> so in the post i try to show theory and code
[04:59:16] <gastaldi> thrilled to see that
[05:02:08] <hannelita> gastaldi:
[05:02:13] <hannelita> gastaldi: :)
[05:02:48] <hannelita> gastaldi: I hope that you expected something like that
[05:03:52] <gastaldi> sure
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[05:09:20] <gastaldi> that "Damn Ponies" song is really a catchy one
[05:10:33] <hannelita> gastaldi: NOOOOO, dont remind me about that song. "damn ponies"
[05:11:15] <gastaldi> Not to say unbearable
[05:11:17] <gastaldi> :D
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[06:27:42] <gastaldi> hey
[06:27:57] <gastaldi> http://awestruct.org/ seems awesome
[06:29:41] <gastaldi> http://compass-style.org/ seems way cooler !
[06:34:01] <gastaldi> see ya!
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[07:32:31] <bleathem> man!
[07:32:47] <bleathem> this is good, but bad, but not really bad. just good.
[07:34:30] <bleathem> I hate reporting a bug, only to find that it's not a bug once I try and reproduce it with a simple test case.
[07:34:55] <bleathem> I'm happy that it's not a bug, but unhappy I had to discover that so publicly :P
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[09:56:50] <nickarls> bleathem: ping
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[11:40:16] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop 2c6f322.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Preparing the inline setting of service beans
[11:40:16] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/social/compare/1f0a65b...2c6f322
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[11:42:30] <antoine_sd> hi pmuir
[11:43:00] <pmuir> hi antoine_sd
[11:43:37] <antoine_sd> do you have time for code review / advice and Solder support ;-) ?
[11:43:41] <pmuir> sure
[11:43:48] <antoine_sd> great
[11:44:18] <antoine_sd> I just push my last devs to github
[11:45:15] <antoine_sd> the main idea of the module is to provide most open solution to social services
[11:45:55] <antoine_sd> you can work directly with a Bean like Twitter (and its impl TwitterJackson)
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[11:47:02] <antoine_sd> or you can have a more generic approach if you use OAuthService interface to deal with the same beans
[11:47:40] <antoine_sd> at this level you can authentify yourself for instance
[11:48:00] <pmuir> ok
[11:48:13] <antoine_sd> that's why I need a qualified version and an unqualified version for each concrete bean
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[11:48:47] <antoine_sd> the @RelatedTo qualifier that has a binding value
[11:49:12] <antoine_sd> the other idea is to provide an easy way to add new services
[11:49:41] <antoine_sd> and avoid if possible force other devs to create producer for each bean
[11:50:08] <pmuir> yes
[11:50:09] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop c73681d.. John Ament SEAMJCR-20 Fixed services to include OCM.
[11:50:10] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-20] JcrOCMExtension not registered as service [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Minor, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-20
[11:50:10] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop e94775a.. John Ament Removed method that was mistakenly added.
[11:50:10] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/e428964...e94775a
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[11:50:26] <antoine_sd> that's why I created the extension that resister a new version of each bean without the related to qualifier
[11:50:48] <antoine_sd> org.jboss.seam.social.core.SeamSocialExtension
[11:51:21] <antoine_sd> I had a look to generic beans but I have the feeling they won't fit
[11:51:31] <antoine_sd> maybe I'm wrong
[11:52:17] <antoine_sd> Those service beans needs to get some configuration to be used
[11:52:18] <pmuir> I think they should
[11:52:24] <antoine_sd> perhaps
[11:52:31] <pmuir> they should be a way to do your "other idea" above
[11:53:21] <antoine_sd> ok
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[11:54:32] <antoine_sd> regarding the OAuthServiceSettings, today I only support their configuration thru seam-config in xml
[11:54:37] <pmuir> not sure how best to proceed
[11:54:45] <pmuir> whether you want to explain what the problem is
[11:54:51] <pmuir> or whether you want to start from scratch?
[11:54:56] <antoine_sd> :-)
[11:55:07] <antoine_sd> what will be the more efficient ?
[11:55:30] <antoine_sd> what I've done work pretty much
[11:55:59] <antoine_sd> I only have a bug with solder creating bean that can't inject InjectionPoint
[11:57:45] <antoine_sd> lets do it from scratch, it will be easier for you
[11:57:48] <pmuir> ok
[11:58:12] <pmuir> so when someone wants to "add a new service"
[11:58:15] <pmuir> what does that involve
[11:58:16] <pmuir> for a user?
[11:59:51] <antoine_sd> right now the user has to add config in Beans.xml like that
[12:00:17] <antoine_sd> <o:OAuthServiceSettingsImpl>
[12:00:17] <antoine_sd>         <s:modifies />
[12:00:17] <antoine_sd>         <o:RelatedTo>Twitter</o:RelatedTo>
[12:00:17] <antoine_sd>         <o:apiKey>FQzlQC49UhvbMZoxUIvHTQ</o:apiKey>
[12:00:18] <antoine_sd>         <o:apiSecret>VQ5CZHG4qUoAkUUmckPn4iN4yyjBKcORTW0wnok4r1k
[12:00:18] <antoine_sd>         </o:apiSecret>
[12:00:18] <antoine_sd>         <o:callback>http://localhost:8080/seam-social-web-client/callback.jsf
[12:00:19] <antoine_sd>         </o:callback>
[12:00:19] <antoine_sd>     </o:OAuthServiceSettingsImpl>
[12:00:38] <antoine_sd> and after that add this injection in her code
[12:00:57] <antoine_sd> @Inject Twitter twitter;
[12:01:01] <antoine_sd> or
[12:01:31] <antoine_sd> @Inject @RelatedTo("Twitter") OAuthService service;
[12:02:44] <pmuir> ok, so it's just config?
[12:02:58] <pmuir> I was wondering if they needed to implement any interfaces or anything like that
[12:02:59] <antoine_sd> if the user ant to deal with multiple service, there's an helper bean MultiserviceManager
[12:03:16] <antoine_sd> no they don't
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[12:04:33] <antoine_sd> when they get the bean, there is the steps of auth authentication (some of them are manuals) and after that the Oauth session is ready.
[12:05:03] <pmuir> so the way I would see this work with generic beans
[12:05:18] <pmuir> is that you have a config bean
[12:05:28] <pmuir> e.g. OAuthServiceSettings
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[12:06:16] <pmuir> which is what we call the "generic configuration"
[12:06:27] <pmuir> in the docs, this is like MessageSystemConfiguration
[12:06:35] <antoine_sd> yes
[12:06:48] <antoine_sd> I saw the analogy
[12:07:01] <pmuir> you need to create an annotation equivalent to @ACMEQueue
[12:07:18] <pmuir> which is what ties the whole thing together
[12:07:31] <pmuir> this identifies each generic configuration
[12:07:42] <antoine_sd> ok
[12:07:47] <pmuir> you can then take any support beans you have
[12:08:13] <pmuir> and make them inject both the annotation used (in case you want to allow the user to put configuration in annotation parameters)
[12:08:25] <pmuir> and the configuration object
[12:08:36] <antoine_sd> yes that's why i'm trying to do
[12:09:02] <pmuir> you must annotate any such beans with @GenericConfiguration(SeamSocial.class) (where SeamSocial is the annotation you created)
[12:09:03] <antoine_sd> I had concern with the fact that I have multiple class of support beans
[12:09:12] <pmuir> and you can use @ApplyScope and @ApplyQualifiers
[12:09:17] <pmuir> e.g. on producer methods
[12:09:30] <pmuir> to have the qualifiers and scope of the generic configuration applied to them
[12:09:42] <pmuir> what does "multiple class of support bean" mean exactly?
[12:09:48] <pmuir> multiple beans?
[12:09:52] <pmuir> or multiple types of beans?
[12:09:58] <antoine_sd> Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn support beans
[12:10:05] <antoine_sd> they have the same ancestor
[12:10:09] <pmuir> gotcha
[12:10:09] <antoine_sd> but are different
[12:10:32] <pmuir> ok, and can you configure more than one type with same config?
[12:10:42] <antoine_sd> yes
[12:10:50] <antoine_sd> my demo web app does that
[12:10:58] <antoine_sd> multiple services at the same time
[12:11:05] <pmuir> no i don't mean that
[12:11:16] <pmuir> i mean can i apply the same config to > 1 type of service?
[12:11:21] <antoine_sd> no
[12:11:24] <pmuir> ok
[12:11:25] <antoine_sd> impossible
[12:11:33] <pmuir> I thought so, but wanted to check ;-)
[12:11:53] <pmuir> so then I would make each type of service a different type of generic bean
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[12:12:21] <pmuir> I *think* you can make the base classes abstract (CDI will ignore them) and add the generic annotations stuff there
[12:12:31] <antoine_sd> ok
[12:12:32] <pmuir> and have them applied when you implement concrete classes
[12:12:44] <pmuir> so you would have one set of beans like @Twitter("plmuir")
[12:12:58] <pmuir> or @LinkedIn("antoine_sd")
[12:13:00] <pmuir> or whatever I think
[12:13:23] <pmuir> you can share the configuration object between all types (I think, check if that works)
[12:14:05] <Diablo-D3> ...
[12:14:08] * Diablo-D3 looks into the channel
[12:14:20] * Diablo-D3 ponders getting stabby
[12:14:57] <antoine_sd> ok, so when a theird party developers comes to add filckr beans what will she have to do ?
[12:18:00] <Diablo-D3> What are those annotations even supposed to do
[12:19:41] <antoine_sd> pmuir I avoided @Twitter @LinkedIn annotation to let the possibility to choose the service at runtime
[12:20:11] <antoine_sd> that's the reason of this @RelatedTo("Twitter") qualifier
[12:21:01] <antoine_sd> this allows that :
[12:21:03] <antoine_sd>  @Override
[12:21:03] <antoine_sd>     public OAuthService getNewService(String serviceName) {
[12:21:04] <antoine_sd>         OAuthService service = serviceInstances.select(new RelatedTo.RelatedToLiteral(serviceName)).get();
[12:21:04] <antoine_sd>         return service;
[12:21:04] <antoine_sd>     }
[12:21:43] <antoine_sd> with
[12:21:44] <antoine_sd>  @Inject
[12:21:45] <antoine_sd>     @Any
[12:21:45] <antoine_sd>     private Instance<OAuthService> serviceInstances;
[12:22:21] <fcorneli> How to get the seam-persistence-tests-jetty running? I always get "WELD-000044 Unable to obtain instance from null" errors.
[12:24:08] <pmuir> antoine_sd: sorry, back
[12:24:26] <antoine_sd> no pb
[12:24:37] <pmuir> antoine_sd: so if a third part dev adds flickr support
[12:25:07] <pmuir> then they would need to add a generic configuration annotation, and the concrete class that extends your base class with the producers
[12:25:15] <pmuir> i.e. @Flickr
[12:25:41] <pmuir> I think thats basically the same as what you have, except that it requires them to add an annotation
[12:25:54] <pmuir> regarding the runtime choice
[12:26:00] <pmuir> that isn't any different with generic beans
[12:26:06] <pmuir> let me do an example on gist
[12:26:25] <antoine_sd> so I can stick wtiht the same qualifier and a binding string value ?
[12:26:45] <antoine_sd> to have a "dynamic" qualifier
[12:27:20] <antoine_sd> ok
[12:27:37] <pmuir> well personally I think "dynamic" qualifiers are something to avoid
[12:27:53] <pmuir> what you have isn't type-safe and so not particularly cdi-esque
[12:28:06] <pmuir> it also pushes errors to runtime rather than dev time
[12:28:13] <pmuir> iow this is what we want to avoid doing with cdi
[12:29:02] <antoine_sd> ok, but how to let user choose it's service at runtime
[12:29:24] <antoine_sd> what I call TwettDeck or Hootsuite use case ?
[12:30:08] <pmuir> one min
[12:30:26] <pmuir> is that a concrete example?
[12:30:37] <pmuir> should i use that in the code?
[12:31:00] <antoine_sd> I have a concrete axample
[12:31:10] <antoine_sd> my web app does that
[12:31:21] <pmuir> i mean a concrete use case ;-)
[12:32:50] <antoine_sd> let say you want to provide a authentication inteface
[12:33:07] <antoine_sd> and give the choice among existing services
[12:33:14] <antoine_sd> without switch case
[12:33:22] <antoine_sd> or if cascade
[12:34:15] <pmuir> can you show me an example then?
[12:34:22] <pmuir> i guess then i can understand a bit better
[12:34:29] <pmuir> e.g. a test case or something you currently have implemented
[12:35:04] <antoine_sd> sorry to go back to it, but the web app in Seam Social example does that
[12:35:14] <antoine_sd> it's not online
[12:35:37] <pmuir> ah ok
[12:35:38] <nickarls> looks like faces+persistence modules don't play along with extended persistencecontext in AS7 no more: http://pastebin.com/BE5GX1LH
[12:35:52] <maschmid> fcorneli: "mvn verify" works for me on the current develop branch...
[12:36:19] <pmuir> antoine_sd: ok let me take your tweetdeck/hootsuite example
[12:36:33] <pmuir> or is that something else
[12:36:47] <pmuir> basically can you outline a real life use case for this piece of functionality
[12:36:57] <pmuir> that isn't abstract
[12:37:07] <fcorneli> maschmid: how to run the tests from within Eclipse?
[12:37:57] <antoine_sd> like I say : if you want to provide a list of service for authentication
[12:37:58] <fcorneli> maschmid: In Eclipse I get the WELD-000044 error.
[12:38:06] <pmuir> ok
[12:38:14] <antoine_sd> off course you can dot it in the hard way
[12:38:35] <pmuir> can you show me a quick example of what your user code would look like in that case?
[12:38:39] <pmuir> with your @RelatedTo
[12:38:43] <pmuir> so I can understand your design
[12:38:59] <antoine_sd> ok
[12:39:26] <antoine_sd> let's have a look to https://github.com/seam/social/blob/develop/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/social/core/MultiServicesManagerImpl.java
[12:40:06] <pmuir> ok
[12:41:01] <antoine_sd> I can show the list of service available thru the getservices() set
[12:41:08] <antoine_sd> the user can choose
[12:42:05] <antoine_sd> and trigger the initNewService(String)
[12:42:31] <pmuir> ok
[12:42:46] <antoine_sd> that instantiate a bean with getNewService(String)
[12:42:55] <pmuir> right
[12:43:13] <antoine_sd> BTW it's very natural to it with CDI and Instance<> meta bean
[12:43:34] <antoine_sd> my idea is to provide this openess
[12:43:48] <antoine_sd> and also have a more straight way to deal with service
[12:43:59] <antoine_sd> @Inject Twitter twitter;
[12:44:12] <pmuir> right
[12:44:16] <pmuir> so this is easy
[12:44:23] <pmuir> you just replace the string with qualifiers
[12:44:42] <pmuir> and getServices() returns a Map<Annotation, OAuthService>
[12:45:00] <pmuir> and initNewSerivce takes an Annotation
[12:45:06] <antoine_sd> ok
[12:45:37] <pmuir> with generic beans each different service the user configures has an associated set of qualifiers
[12:45:56] <pmuir> well actually it would need to be a Set<Annotation> that is passed around
[12:45:58] <antoine_sd> I like it
[12:46:04] <pmuir> as you can have multiple qualifiers
[12:46:40] <pmuir> e.g. https://gist.github.com/1127291
[12:46:52] <pmuir> there is one qualiifer per service in this example
[12:46:52] <antoine_sd> apart hat you don't like it, the String in Qailifier son't work with Generic  ;-) ?
[12:47:12] <pmuir> err, I think the @RelatedTo should be fine
[12:47:16] <maschmid> fcorneli: the easiest way would be to import the project as a Maven project (with m2eclipse eclipse plugin) and Run as->Maven build... Goals: verify
[12:47:16] <pmuir> it should work iirc
[12:47:30] <pmuir> it's just not type safe
[12:47:37] <pmuir> so kinda defeats the point of cdi ;-)
[12:48:02] <pmuir> the only hard part with this scheme is actually getting the qualifiers for each service
[12:48:13] <antoine_sd> I know. But I'm the guy who asked you about dynamic bean registration 4 times ;)
[12:48:17] <pmuir> but I think you can do that by looking up all beans with a type OAuthService
[12:48:25] <pmuir> antoine_sd: :-)
[12:48:44] <antoine_sd> BTW gastaldi has the same need in report
[12:49:01] <antoine_sd> be able to decide the kind of report at runtime
[12:49:01] <pmuir> I think that you can do everything with producers you can with dynamic bean registration
[12:49:13] <pmuir> if you split out the problem of actually adding classes to a running deployment
[12:49:15] <antoine_sd> yes I know
[12:49:16] <pmuir> into another one
[12:49:21] <pmuir> it's just harder ;-)
[12:49:33] <pmuir> yeah, this should work for him too
[12:49:44] <pmuir> do you have enough to have a go now? and we can chat again next week?
[12:49:49] <pmuir> i mean go on ;-)
[12:50:05] <antoine_sd> he gave me this tips of qualifier with string
[12:50:15] <antoine_sd> yes
[12:50:32] <fcorneli> maschmid: will try the m2eclipse plugin, apparently mvn eclipse:eclipse and then importing doesn't do the job...
[12:50:36] <pmuir> antoine_sd: cool
[12:50:37] <antoine_sd> thanks a lot
[12:50:42] <pmuir> ping me with any q's :-)
[12:50:44] <antoine_sd> it was very helpfulll
[12:50:55] <pmuir> generic beans are very powerful but a little tricky to understand ;-)
[12:51:13] <antoine_sd> btw I think I found a kind of bug or bad doc in solder
[12:51:47] <antoine_sd> regarding BeanBuilder
[12:52:22] <antoine_sd> it created a bean that works except it doesn't accept @Inject InjectionPoint
[12:52:33] <antoine_sd> did I miss something
[12:52:35] <pmuir> haha
[12:52:42] <pmuir> quite possibly that's a bug
[12:52:42] <antoine_sd> or should I report a bug
[12:52:57] <pmuir> it should work I think
[12:53:04] <pmuir> probably a solder bugf
[12:53:25] <antoine_sd> ok, so I create a simple use case and fill a Jira issue
[12:55:26] <pmuir> :-)
[12:55:36] <antoine_sd> thanks anyway
[13:00:45] <fcorneli> maschmid: ok, m2eclipse plugin has the runtime right for unit testing. Thanks...
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[13:49:19] <Diablo-D3> hrm, anyone know if the joda time issue in seam faces is an actually known issue?
[13:49:26] <Diablo-D3> I cant find it in jira
[13:54:21] <nickarls> checking...
[13:56:52] <Diablo-D3> it needs ot be fixed before the next release of seam faces
[13:57:12] <Diablo-D3> and its an easy fix, just throw a few lines of xml in
[13:57:47] <nickarls> AS7-290 WELD-880
[13:57:49] <jbossbot> jira [AS7-290] CNFEs for Seam 3 optional dependencies [Resolved (Done) Bug, Major, Stuart Douglas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AS7-290
[13:57:53] <jbossbot> jira [WELD-880] CNFEs for Seam 3 optional dependencies on AS 7 [Resolved (Done) Bug, Major, Stuart Douglas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD-880
[13:58:04] <nickarls> apparently stuart thinks they're fixed
[13:58:24] <stuartdouglas> yea, the joda time issue is now not to do with weld
[13:58:47] <stuartdouglas> and I think it is fixed in upstream AS7
[13:58:54] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[13:59:08] <Diablo-D3> well, manually adding the dep in my shit is fixing it for now
[13:59:08] <stuartdouglas> but it was actually due to the class having an @PostConstruct
[13:59:17] <stuartdouglas> and the ebb subsystem what trying to load it
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[14:00:17] <Diablo-D3> stuartdouglas: either way
[14:00:20] <Diablo-D3> its a nasty issue
[14:00:57] <Diablo-D3> there is no reason why jboss software shouldnt work with other jboss software
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[14:03:26] <Diablo-D3> crap, I hate apache http client so much
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[14:11:20] <nickarls> stuartdouglas: any theories on http://pastebin.com/BE5GX1LH ? I think it has something to do with the faces JSF transaction wrapper interfering with extended PC:s
[14:11:33] <nickarls> used to work on AS6
[14:12:11] <stuartdouglas> thats something to do with the persistence context propagation rules
[14:12:27] <stuartdouglas> I would need to see exactly what you are doing to know one way or another
[14:12:42] <stuartdouglas> and it is to late for that sort of thing, if you email me I will have a look tomorrow
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[14:14:59] <nickarls> sure, np. It's a @Stateful EJB and I try to get a hibernate session from the em delegate in order to det the flush mode in a @PostConstruct method
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[14:27:50] <oranheim> In the Kitchensink demo, pmuir references: arquillian-jbossas-remote-7? I can't find it in the jboss repository. Which arquillian remote container works for AS7?
[14:28:35] <pmuir> oranheim:             <dependency>
[14:28:35] <pmuir>                <groupId>org.jboss.as</groupId>
[14:28:35] <pmuir>                <artifactId>jboss-as-arquillian-container-remote</artifactId>
[14:28:35] <pmuir>                <version>7.0.0.CR1</version>
[14:28:35] <pmuir>                <scope>test</scope>
[14:28:36] <pmuir>             </dependency>
[14:28:46] <pmuir> oranheim: where do I reference it by that artifact id as it's wrong
[14:29:40] <oranheim> https://github.com/pmuir/jboss-as-developer-guide/blob/master/quickstarts/kitchensink/pom.xml
[14:29:49] <oranheim> <dependency>
[14:29:49] <oranheim>                <groupId>org.jboss.arquillian.container</groupId>
[14:29:49] <oranheim>                <artifactId>arquillian-jbossas-remote-7</artifactId>
[14:29:50] <oranheim>                <version>${arquillian.version}</version>
[14:29:50] <oranheim>                <scope>test</scope>
[14:29:50] <oranheim>             </dependency>
[14:29:57] <oranheim> thx pmuir
[14:30:02] <pmuir> oranheim: that's a very out of date repo ;-)
[14:30:05] <pmuir> use the official one
[14:30:14] <pmuir> i'll remove my master branch from there
[14:31:04] <oranheim> ok
[14:31:12] <pmuir> https://github.com/jbossas/quickstart/
[14:31:15] <pmuir> i removed the whole repo
[14:31:20] <pmuir> it's too old
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[14:58:15] <Diablo-D3> Caused by: javax.resource.ResourceException: Wrong driver class [class org.postgresql.Driver] for this connection URL [jdbc.postgresql://localhost:5432/databasename]
[14:58:17] <Diablo-D3> Grrrrr.
[14:58:30] <Diablo-D3> notice that .?
[14:58:34] <Diablo-D3> thats a :.
[14:59:16] <Diablo-D3> But AS7 doesn't agree.
[15:00:41] * Diablo-D3 forces it to agree by changing the damned xml
[15:02:52] <fcorneli> maschmid: I've been playing with a new Seam Persistence feature: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMPERSIST-63 Useful or overkill?
[15:03:00] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMPERSIST-63] Query Interface [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Minor, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMPERSIST-63
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[15:10:57] <Diablo-D3> fcorneli: OOH
[15:11:02] <Diablo-D3> very useful
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[15:11:25] <Diablo-D3> I have a fucking shitload of boilerplate that does, effectively, that
[15:12:10] <fcorneli> :) same here... would be nice if some framework would feature this out of the box I guess
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[15:13:39] <fcorneli> tried to @Inject Person.QueryInterface via some @Produces method... but injecting generic Objects seems to be hard (I'm _very_ new to CDI)
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[15:17:48] <maschmid> fcorneli: yeah, having a @Producer would be much nicer...  you should send it to the seam-dev mailing list.. perhaps others would have some ideas too...
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[15:33:49] <Diablo-D3> it may not be possible to hate AS7 more than I do
[15:34:17] <Diablo-D3> Caused by: javax.naming.NameNotFoundException: Name 'ConnectionFactory' not found in context ''
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[15:34:43] <Diablo-D3> and an unrelated Caused by: java.lang.LinkageError: loader constraint violation: when resolving method "org.jboss.resteasy.client.core.executors.ApacheHttpClient4Executor.<init>(Lorg/apache/http/client/HttpClient;)V" the class loader (instance of org/jboss/modules/ModuleClassLoader) of the current class, org/diablopool/api/ServerBackend, and the class loader (instance of org/jboss/modules/ModuleClassLoader) for resolved class, org/jboss/resteasy/client/
[15:34:43] <Diablo-D3> core/executors/ApacheHttpClient4Executor, have different Class objects for the type org/apache/http/client/HttpClient used in the signature
[15:34:50] <Diablo-D3> and that resteasy one makes zero sense
[15:34:59] <Diablo-D3> if I include the jar, it does that
[15:35:04] <Diablo-D3> if I dont include the jar, it says it cant find it
[15:35:08] <Diablo-D3> MAKE UP YOUR MIND
[15:36:32] <Diablo-D3> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.http.auth.Credentials from [Module "deployment.DiabloPool.war:main" from Service Module Loader]
[15:36:36] <Diablo-D3> thats what happens if I omit the jar
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[16:16:42] <gastaldi> morning folks !
[16:17:12] <lincolnthree> Morning gastaldi :)
[16:17:21] <gastaldi> hey lincolnthree !
[16:17:31] <lincolnthree> Ask me how forge is doing, then look at this graph: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE
[16:17:46] <gastaldi> Lol, How Forge is Doing
[16:17:51] <lincolnthree> look at that graph
[16:17:53] * gastaldi is checking the graph now
[16:18:02] <gastaldi> holy crap
[16:18:16] <gastaldi> Bug killah
[16:18:23] <lincolnthree> :p
[16:19:05] <gastaldi> Excellent
[16:19:40] <gastaldi> Any work on scaffolding ?
[16:20:28] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: LOL
[16:20:30] <lincolnthree> that's funny
[16:20:31] <lincolnthree> hah
[16:20:32] <lincolnthree> no
[16:22:42] <jose_freitas> lincolnthree: what's the forge logo should be? a terminator eye?
[16:22:52] <gastaldi> hahahaha
[16:22:55] <gastaldi> Nice
[16:23:03] <gastaldi> Why not... a forge ??
[16:23:34] <lincolnthree> http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r2v2b.png
[16:23:42] <lincolnthree> http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r2v2.png
[16:23:45] <lincolnthree> Which do you like bettre?
[16:23:53] <gastaldi> http://seamframework.org/Documentation/SeamForge
[16:23:56] <gastaldi> Should be updated
[16:24:08] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: yeah eventually
[16:24:08] <gastaldi> I like the first one
[16:24:23] <gastaldi> well, the second is nice also
[16:24:58] <lincolnthree> bleathem:  koentsje: aslak: clerum: antoine_sd: kevinpollet: sbryzak which do you like better? ^^
[16:25:09] <gastaldi> :P
[16:25:18] <antoine_sd> what what ?
[16:25:25] <bleathem> looking
[16:25:27] <lincolnthree> http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r2v2b.png
[16:25:27] <lincolnthree> 10:20
[16:25:27] <lincolnthree> http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r2v2.png
[16:25:28] <gastaldi> We should have place it under discussion on the Seam meeting
[16:25:29] <antoine_sd> oh I'm looking
[16:25:34] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: nah
[16:25:48] <gastaldi> :)
[16:25:57] <jose_freitas> I think B it's better
[16:25:58] <gastaldi> just kidding.. lol
[16:26:08] <jose_freitas> seems a stronger logo
[16:26:08] <bleathem> I don't like the speckled look
[16:26:21] <bleathem> but I don't really like the "splash" either
[16:26:22] <antoine_sd> you finally disconnected this poor Hal (again)
[16:26:32] <gastaldi> haha, so a "no-no" from bleathem
[16:26:50] <bleathem> I'd go for the stronger/cleaner look, but drop the "sparks"
[16:27:11] <lincolnthree> what about http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r2v1.png
[16:27:13] <bleathem> gastaldi: I've got for kids, I say: "no-no" a lot!
[16:27:20] <clerum> seamforge_logo_r2v2b
[16:27:20] <antoine_sd> I prefer r2v2
[16:27:26] <antoine_sd> :-)
[16:27:26] <koentsje> hm, i like simple; less is more...
[16:27:36] <clerum> I think it will show up better on swag
[16:27:38] <aslak> lincolnthree, hmm.. good question,  i think 2b, like the 'boom'
[16:27:53] <lincolnthree> So bleathem, you prefer something like this: http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r1v1.png
[16:27:59] <koentsje> but i guess that's personal :)
[16:28:05] <clerum> I like the of seamforge_logo_r2v2. but I dunno if it will show up well
[16:28:10] <aslak> lincolnthree, but maybe liking the actual 'thinggy' better in 2
[16:28:14] <clerum> maybe if it was darker
[16:28:16] <bleathem> the anvil replacing the "r" is cool, but if you don't know what forge is, it's not terribly obvious
[16:28:24] <lincolnthree> aslak the anvil?
[16:28:30] <aslak> lincolnthree, i guess.. :)
[16:28:52] <antoine_sd> +1 for r1v1 it's classy and stick to kiss
[16:28:59] <lincolnthree> I'm starting to like 2b better
[16:29:03] <bleathem> yeah, what if the font is solid/gradient but the anvil is speckled?
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[16:29:23] <aslak> lincolnthree, i think 2b would be perfect if it had some of the 'shape' marks from 2 on the anvil. the 'round' front part etc
[16:29:32] <bleathem> aslak: +1
[16:29:32] <antoine_sd> I don't like the sticker "sale" style on r2v2b
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[16:30:29] <gastaldi> +1 for r1v1
[16:31:09] <jose_freitas> +1 r2v2b
[16:31:21] <aslak> 2b is the evil v. of 1.. i like it.. :)
[16:31:31] <gastaldi> yeah, I am stuck on r2v2b too :P`
[16:31:33] <aslak> maybe get some eyes on it''s nose as well
[16:31:44] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[16:31:56] <lincolnthree> aslak: gastaldi yea
[16:33:08] <gastaldi> ... but I also like the terminator eye ! :P
[16:33:26] <gastaldi> It would fit great on JBoss Tools Forge support
[16:33:50] <gastaldi> The Forge Console icon I mean
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[16:34:51] <gastaldi> http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r2v4.png sounds "communist"
[16:36:29] <gastaldi> hum, maybe having the "g" as a forge and the "r" as a hammer would be nice :)
[16:36:37] <lincolnthree> Lol yea, there are some others that I didn't show ;)
[16:36:47] <lincolnthree> The three we have are the best so far I think.
[16:37:40] <gastaldi> http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r1v2.png sounds cool also
[16:37:57] 
[16:38:25] <gastaldi> http://design.jboss.org/seamforge/logo/images/seamforge_logo_r1v5.png looks like a sewer
[16:38:26] <lincolnthree> I was hoping we could get some kind of animal in there
[16:38:54] <gastaldi> hummm
[16:39:06] <gastaldi> A glass.... fish ? :)
[16:39:26] <gastaldi> A hammer hitting a glassfish on a forge :)
[16:39:31] <lincolnthree> lol
[16:39:33] <lincolnthree> that's mean
[16:39:53] <jose_freitas> r1v2 is cool too, but without the fire
[16:40:16] <gastaldi> without the fire it would look like a cricket ball
[16:40:39] <lincolnthree> lol
[16:42:05] <gastaldi> humm how about a Duke with a hammer designed as the "S" from Seam and hitting on a forge ?
[16:42:26] <gastaldi> Or maybe placing that brazilian parrot from JavaOne
[16:42:32] <gastaldi> And then we get sued :)
[16:42:48] <bleathem> gastaldi: you are in the wrong profession! you should switch to graphic design!
[16:43:22] <gastaldi> hahaha yeah
[16:46:02] <gastaldi> I would like to see something being built on the forge
[16:46:59] <gastaldi> If it shows being hammered sounds like you are trying to fit a square in a peg hole
[16:47:23] <gastaldi> Square peg in a round hole
[16:48:51] <gastaldi> Or maybe we should get people laughing and saying "I love it"
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[16:51:53] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: I was thinking about the scaffolding stuff. We should get apps to get a layout like Google +
[16:52:18] <gastaldi> A clean design stuff
[16:52:54] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: yeah I completely agree
[16:52:56] <lincolnthree> I really want that
[16:53:00] <lincolnthree> It would be a huge win for us
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[16:56:48] <gastaldi> anyone care to handle it ?
[16:57:44] <gastaldi> Hummm something like http://compass-style.org embedded on Forge would be awesome
[16:59:22] <gastaldi> or http://lesscss.org/
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[17:16:47] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: nice styles
[17:16:53] <lincolnthree> would love if someone wanted to hack on that
[17:25:51] <lincolnthree> bleathem: you're famous: https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/SEAMFORGE/Installing+new+Plugins
[17:26:33] <bleathem> lincolnthree: lol, that's awesome!
[17:27:38] <bleathem> lincolnthree, gastaldi: Richfaces has ecss, support for embedding EL in your CSS - seemed relevant to your links
[17:27:57] <lincolnthree> bleathem: yeah EL in CSS is huuuuge
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[17:33:47] <antoine_sd> pmuir for info I just created a ticket https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-116 regarding the bug in Builder
[17:33:49] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-116] BeanBuilder create beans that don't support InjectionPoint injection [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-116
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[17:34:26] <antoine_sd> and a pod project to reproduce the bug https://github.com/antoinesd/seam-solderbug
[17:34:35] <antoine_sd> POC
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[18:01:16] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: https://github.com/forge/plugin-repository/pull/2
[18:01:50] <koentsje> i wrote a little post containing a screenshot with the latest work from the forge-tools front: http://community.jboss.org/en/tools/blog/2011/08/05/forge-commands-on-the-menu
[18:01:58] <koentsje> lincolnthree: ^
[18:02:21] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: verifying yoru metadata :) should write a plugin to verify automatically
[18:02:24] <lincolnthree> koentsje: looking!
[18:02:44] <gastaldi> yup, that would be nice
[18:05:25] <lincolnthree> koentsje: what's your twitter username?
[18:05:53] <koentsje> lincolnthree: koentsje ;-)
[18:06:15] <lincolnthree> Wow you never tweet, lol.
[18:06:30] <koentsje> yeah, i guess i could twitter that... it would my second tweet or so :D
[18:06:36] <lincolnthree> third
[18:06:36] <lincolnthree> lol
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[18:15:21] <koentsje> lincolnthree, haha my two followers got notified ;)
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[18:16:21] <lincolnthree> koentsje: you will have more followers because i rewteeted you :) (hopefully)
[18:16:35] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: buld failed
[18:16:37] <lincolnthree> build*
[18:16:51] <gastaldi> ?
[18:16:56] <koentsje> lincolnthree, yeah they will be spammed with all my tweets ;)
[18:16:59] <gastaldi> The YAML file failed the buid ?
[18:17:05] <lincolnthree> no
[18:17:10] <lincolnthree> i just tested the git repo directly
[18:17:37] <lincolnthree> paste incoming
[18:17:37] <gastaldi> hum
[18:17:38] <bleathem> lincolnthree: nah, it's my retweet that will get him new followers.
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[18:17:53] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: http://pastebin.com/y3sETU5W
[18:17:55] <lincolnthree> gotta run for a bit
[18:17:57] <lincolnthree> back in a few hours
[18:20:52] <gastaldi> Hum, may sound like a bug in the plugin impl, nothing related to the previous pull request
[18:21:02] <gastaldi> I updated it with Seam JCR plugin also
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[18:22:15] <jbossbot> git [plugin-seam-reports] push master 92fe9cf.. George Gastaldi Removed BIRT support from README file
[18:22:15] <jbossbot> git [plugin-seam-reports] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/plugin-seam-reports/compare/b3ff89f...92fe9cf
[18:23:13] <clerum> the docs for international appear to be outdated
[18:23:42] <clerum> the ones in github are right but the ones at docs.jboss.org
[18:23:53] <clerum> are from pre-CR1
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[18:25:22] <clerum> who would I ping about getting that fixed?
[18:25:43] <gastaldi> clerum: Maybe shane or lightguardjp
[18:26:05] <clerum> k
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[18:30:42] <bleathem> man jira is slow today
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[18:36:33] <ssachtleben> hey
[18:37:55] <ssachtleben> does anyone see a bug here?
[18:37:56] <ssachtleben> http://pastebin.de/18110
[18:38:23] <ssachtleben> not sure if its the impl or seam cron but it allways stops working after 1 day :o
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[18:45:31] <clerum> does the observer get triggered?
[18:45:45] <clerum> does the log.debug message show up?
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[18:47:32] <ssachtleben> well I havnt enabled that logs yet since it would log way too much
[18:47:44] <ssachtleben> but the impl looks fine or?
[18:47:59] <ssachtleben> its stupid allways after 24 hour it just stops kicking out the sessions
[18:49:42] <clerum> at first glance I don't see a problem
[18:50:24] <clerum> I'm just curious if the event s being fired...maybe a println or something
[18:50:29] <clerum> should only be once a minute right?
[18:50:57] <clerum> or just bump that one debug up to info level
[18:51:23] <clerum> I would also want to see ca size of that getSessions() collection
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[18:51:38] <clerum> before and after
[18:54:29] <clerum> I hadn't looked at cron yet though
[18:54:49] <clerum> @Every(value=Interval.MINUTE) --- thats pretty sweet
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[19:10:16] <ssachtleben> yeah and it runs every min normally
[19:10:21] <ssachtleben> and the size doesnt really matter
[19:10:30] <ssachtleben> i had it allready on over 2000 without problems
[19:10:41] <ssachtleben> last night it hang up on 10 sessions LOL
[19:12:06] <ssachtleben> is it possible to change logging on runtime of jboss 6?
[19:12:13] <ssachtleben> so I just switch on if the problem occures?
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[20:18:21] <gastaldi> hey
[20:23:12] <lightguard_jp> hey
[20:29:17] * gastaldi is trying out Google Music beta
[20:29:30] <gastaldi> pretty cool stuff
[20:29:51] <gastaldi> Got two invitations left, anyone ?
[20:31:16] <jose_freitas> what's google music? grooveshark alike?
[20:31:30] <gastaldi> yup
[20:31:49] <gastaldi> Google will take over the world !
[20:31:54] <gastaldi> Bwaahaahahaha
[20:32:37] <jose_freitas> yeah, they now what we write, what we watch, who are our friends and now they'll now what we listen too
[20:33:20] <gastaldi> yeah, "Dominate Music Market" - check
[20:34:10] <gastaldi> they certainly have a to-do checklist
[20:36:23] <jose_freitas> now = know
[20:36:39] <jamezp> I haven't listened to any of the music I own since we got Spotify in the US.
[20:37:03] <jose_freitas> I used spotify when I lived in barcelona
[20:37:06] <jose_freitas> it rocked
[20:37:23] <jose_freitas> but it had to many announces
[20:37:28] <gastaldi> Is it a paid service ?
[20:37:42] <jose_freitas> you can pay
[20:37:46] <jamezp> There are paid options, but I'm just using the free one now.
[20:37:51] <gastaldi> ah cool
[20:37:55] <gastaldi> Just like GrooveShark
[20:38:01] <gastaldi> I use it and have a paid account
[20:38:04] <jamezp> I get announces every 5-8 songs or so, but it's okay for me.
[20:38:13] <jose_freitas> the good link about spotifu is that they keep files in your storage
[20:38:14] <gastaldi> it rocks on my Iphone :)
[20:38:26] <gastaldi> cool
[20:38:36] <gastaldi> same as gs app
[20:38:45] <gastaldi> to listen in offline mode
[20:38:47] <jose_freitas> grooveshark you always download the music
[20:39:02] <gastaldi> No, you have the option to save it when offline
[20:39:08] <jose_freitas> and I think that internally, spotify uses a p2p system as well
[20:39:10] <gastaldi> The Iphone app I mean
[20:39:12] <jose_freitas> cause it's damn fast
[20:39:19] <gastaldi> nice
[20:39:25] <jamezp> How have I never looked at grooveshark? It looks cool.
[20:39:46] <jose_freitas> jamezp: you don't have to listen the announces, that's cool
[20:40:18] <jamezp> Yeah, that is cool. If you pay for spotify you don't have to either.
[20:41:00] <gastaldi> Grooveshark had a discount code to help the Japanese people
[20:41:06] <gastaldi> I bought it for 10 bucks
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[20:41:21] <gastaldi> For a whole yeah
[20:41:23] <gastaldi> year
[20:41:26] <jose_freitas> nice
[20:41:33] <jamezp> That's an awesome deal.
[20:41:39] <gastaldi> yeah
[20:42:09] <gastaldi> But the Iphone must be jailbreak for it to work
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[20:43:42] <gastaldi> wow, I am also a contributor for Seam Cron ! http://www.seamframework.org/Seam3/CronModule
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[20:53:37] <gastaldi> Is it ready to be on Seam 3.1 ?
[20:54:07] <lightguard_jp> Haven't checked with Peter yet
[20:54:33] <gastaldi> sbryzak: You there ?
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[20:56:53] <gastaldi> hannelita: Hey
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[21:04:36] <hannelita> gastaldi: hey! I'm doing a forge version! Its imortant to talk about forge. Wanna read a draft? :)
[21:05:09] <hannelita> gastaldi: I thought it was better release a first post talking about how to create a seam project with and without forge :)
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[21:05:34] <gastaldi> cool
[21:05:42] <gastaldi> Where is the draft ?
[21:09:21] <hannelita> gastaldi: Hmm, i think wordpress wont allow you to see that
[21:09:34] <hannelita> gastaldi: Whats your email? gonna send you :)
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[21:11:49] <gastaldi> You actuallly DID it with Ponies
[21:11:55] <jose_freitas> forward to me too :)
[21:12:58] <gastaldi> "Java is a DSL for taking large XML files and converting them to stack traces" - interesting :)
[21:13:12] <hannelita> jose_freitas: forwarding :)
[21:14:13] <hannelita> so I will show how to create projects with forge and without it, and talk about seam 3 architecture
[21:14:41] <gastaldi> Cool
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[21:14:45] <gastaldi> Nice and easy
[21:14:52] <gastaldi> just read that
[21:15:15] <hannelita> right after that i will show an example with solder + reports + security [i did not finish to code it yet]
[21:15:33] <gastaldi> hannelita: Congrats, easy reading literacture
[21:15:48] <gastaldi> and funny too
[21:15:55] <gastaldi> heh
[21:16:02] <hannelita> gastaldi: Users expect easy reading things, I think
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[21:17:14] <hannelita> gastaldi: I just got a little late to write it because i had some stuff to do today, and I thought it was a good idea to talk about forge into this first post
[21:22:00] <jose_freitas> pretty cool hannelita
[21:22:05] <jose_freitas> well done!
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[23:01:11] <jbossbot> git [catch] push develop 74df8fa.. LightGuard Finished SEAMCATCH-58...
[23:01:12] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMCATCH-58] Improve Javadoc [Coding In Progress (Unresolved) Task, Major, Jason Porter] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMCATCH-58
[23:01:13] <jbossbot> git [catch] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/1d99c5d...74df8fa
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[23:55:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 4ca50ea.. Lincoln Baxter, III Added MW scaffold provider for as7
[23:55:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/bb4cb2d...4ca50ea

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