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[00:03:03] <bleathem> clerum: interesting, thanks for sharing your findings
[00:03:24] <clerum> I working on a new example project
[00:03:24] <bleathem> clerum: so you are saying initiating a long running conversation in a producer doesn't work?
[00:03:31] <clerum> well it does create it
[00:03:40] <clerum> but the ajax requests from that page don't work
[00:03:50] <clerum> they aren't tied to the conversation
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[00:04:17] <clerum> lincolnthree wrote something about it here
[00:04:18] <clerum> http://seamframework.org/Community/ConversationCreatedUntilPOST
[00:04:22] <bleathem> I wonder if it has to do with when the producer evaluates, vs. the time the jsf component tree is constructed
[00:04:31] <clerum> not sure if it is rlated or relevant
[00:04:54] <clerum> I was injecting Conversation and calling a .begin()
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[00:06:28] <bleathem> lincolnthree's explanation is spot on!
[00:06:51] <lincolnthree> is it?
[00:06:58] <lincolnthree> i guess I *used* to know something
[00:07:07] <clerum> yep and now the cid is in the ajax request url
[00:07:57] <lincolnthree> ah
[00:07:58] <lincolnthree> yep
[00:08:00] <lincolnthree> that makes sense
[00:08:03] <lincolnthree> im smart :)
[00:08:04] <clerum> not sure if doing it with the s:viewAction is the best way or endorsed way
[00:08:16] <clerum> but we should probably be defining that type of stuff
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[00:14:50] <bleathem> clerum: don't talk to me about the viewAction for at least the rest of the day :P
[00:16:02] <clerum> :-)
[00:16:11] <clerum> but it saved the day
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[00:52:48] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: ping
[01:08:44] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: here
[01:09:00] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: do you subscribe to the seam forums mailing list?
[01:09:12] <lightguard_jp> Just Seam 3
[01:09:53] <sbryzak> i just noticed something weird - all the 'From' addresses are 'Aaron Siri' for all posts, is it the same for you?
[01:10:24] <lightguard_jp> I'm using the RSS feed
[01:10:27] <lightguard_jp> It's correct
[01:10:46] <sbryzak> hmm, strange
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[01:16:20] <bleathem> sbryzak: Seam Faces' <s:viewAction> is broken - I don't think it will be fixed for 3.1
[01:16:43] <sbryzak> bleathem: how is it broken?
[01:17:03] <bleathem> I posted a summary to the sem-dev mail list today
[01:17:24] <sbryzak> np, i'll read it now
[01:17:25] <bleathem> but essentially, you can't use the viewAction for page navigation at the moment
[01:17:59] <bleathem> sbryzak: more details are in SEAMFACES-179
[01:18:00] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-179] s:viewaction not invoked [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Brian Leathem] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-179
[01:21:37] <sbryzak> bleathem: did we have the viewaction component in 3.0.0.Final?
[01:25:32] <bleathem> sbryzak: yes, but it's not clear to me at what point this functionality broke
[01:25:54] <sbryzak> hmm, so we have a regression...
[01:25:55] <bleathem> today I demonstrated that it worked in 3.0.0.Alpha3 with Glasfish 3.0.1
[01:26:11] <sbryzak> is it broken in as7?
[01:26:21] <bleathem> but it 3.0.2.Final doesnt work on AS6, AS7, GF 3.1
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[01:26:31] <bleathem> no, not on AS7
[01:26:45] <bleathem> had a chat with pete muir about it
[01:26:57] <bleathem> he doesn't think the whole principal it's built on should work at all
[01:27:25] <bleathem> we'll have to ask Dan more about it when he is available, it was his creation
[01:27:57] <bleathem> but yes, it is indeed a regression
[01:28:42] <sbryzak> as a workaround, users can still use the f:metadata tag right?
[01:28:52] <sbryzak> with a preRenderView event?
[01:29:16] <bleathem> sbryzak: if they use a preRenderViewEvent, they will have to invoke the navigationHandler themselves
[01:29:38] <bleathem> sbryzak: but it is somehwat of a workaround
[01:29:53] <sbryzak> ok.. do you think you could update the documentation and put a big red warning at the front about this?
[01:29:55] <bleathem> sbryzak: and the reson this came up, is we are looking at implementing this functionality in JSF 2.2
[01:30:35] <bleathem> sbryzak: will do, we'll need to change the documentation to point to the lastest SNAPSHOT though
[01:30:51] <sbryzak> i mean for the 3.1 release
[01:31:06] <sbryzak> so you still have 2 months to do it ;)
[01:31:14] <bleathem> sbryzak: sure
[01:31:23] <sbryzak> thanks
[01:31:31] <bleathem> np
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[01:38:47] <ssachtleben> anyone know how to see which filter will be used ?
[01:39:05] <ssachtleben> are they used sequential from web.xml order?
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[04:29:35] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop e053226.. John Ament SEAMJCR-4 Added bindings for entity mapping to Nodes and basic utility to load.
[04:29:36] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-4] OCM Bindings [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-4
[04:29:36] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop ab1f940.. John Ament Merge branch 'develop' of github.com:seam/jcr into develop...
[04:29:36] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop 5d98501.. John Ament Merge pull request #23 from johnament/develop...
[04:29:36] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/81ab7ef...5d98501
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[05:08:22] <gastaldi> hey all !
[05:09:25] <gastaldi> brb
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[06:11:38] <gastaldi> yo
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[13:21:46] <jose_freitas> g'morning
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[14:13:55] <gastaldi> Morning folks !
[14:16:42] <jose_freitas> morning gastaldi
[14:16:51] <gastaldi> hey jose_freitas
[14:17:12] <gastaldi> hey edburns ! Have you bought the Git book ?
[14:17:19] <gastaldi> Or mastered git ?
[14:17:58] <gastaldi> Wow, can you imagine how cool would it be JSF to be on Github?
[14:18:56] <stuartdouglas> I would be happy if they just published the source jars to maven
[14:19:05] <jose_freitas> yeah, everything (opensource) is cooler on github hehehe
[14:19:14] <gastaldi> stuartdouglas: Agreed
[14:19:45] <gastaldi> That would be WAY cooler
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[16:02:30] <edburns_away> stuartdouglas: I'm working on that now.
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[16:04:07] <gastaldi> Placing the source jars on Maven Repos ?
[16:04:25] <gastaldi> or mastering Git ?
[16:04:51] <edburns> stuartdouglas: Putting the jars out.  For example, EL is done: http://search.maven.org/#browse|-1545957142
[16:05:01] <gastaldi> yay !
[16:05:09] <gastaldi> finally :)
[16:05:17] <edburns> servlet is done: http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|javax.servlet|javax.servlet-api|3.0.1|jar
[16:05:41] <edburns> JSP is done: http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|javax.servlet.jsp|javax.servlet.jsp-api|2.2.1|jar
[16:05:45] <edburns> I'm working on JSF now.
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[16:06:01] <gastaldi> cool
[16:06:09] <edburns> On behalf of all of Sun/Oracle, I apologize it's taken so long.
[16:06:16] <gastaldi> will the com.sun ones also be available ?
[16:06:32] <edburns> Yes, but the groupid is org.glassfish
[16:06:37] <gastaldi> nice
[16:06:45] <lincolnthree> edburns: thank you! that is awesome news!
[16:07:22] <edburns> lincolnthree: I prefer not to make a big deal about it because it's something that should have happened years ago.
[16:11:34] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[16:13:11] <lincolnthree> edburns: no way! You should tweet the heck out of it! people will see that as a huge step
[16:13:15] <lincolnthree> that
[16:13:20] <lincolnthree> that's good publicity!
[16:13:37] <clerum> apparently there is a trick with h:message as the docs say that the "for" property is required but in a composite component like https://github.com/seam/examples/blob/master/booking/src/main/webapp/resources/components/property/input.xhtml just putting for="" works
[16:14:49] <clerum> that doesn't appear to work with a primefaces message, so is the h:message just resolving it's closest component for the "for"?
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[17:13:44] <ssachtleben> hi
[17:14:05] <lincolnthree> hello ssachtleben
[17:14:09] <bleathem> hi ssachtleben
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[17:14:50] <ssachtleben> jose_freitas I made it work ;D
[17:15:52] <ssachtleben> pf3 and rf4 works awesome together, only the richfaces fileupload wont work anymore but I prefer the pf upload component anyway :P
[17:18:30] <gastaldi> ssachtleben: What about filing an issue on Richfaces ?
[17:22:13] <ssachtleben> there is already a jiira issue about that one
[17:22:20] <gastaldi> ok :)
[17:23:04] <ssachtleben> but since pf upload supports auto upload and multiple selection of files its > then rf upload component :P
[17:23:34] <gastaldi> RF-10978
[17:23:35] <jbossbot> jira [RF-10978] Richfaces 4.0 Final fileUpload incomptible with Primefaces 2 [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RF-10978
[17:23:46] <ssachtleben> ye
[17:25:44] <gastaldi> nice
[17:25:57] <ssachtleben> just need to fix modeshape problem occuring on multiple upload now :(
[17:26:09] <gastaldi> which one ?
[17:26:37] <ssachtleben> currently I save each file in my repository directly on the backbean invoke of pf upload component
[17:27:05] <ssachtleben> and I'm getting IllegalStateException about cant use anymore batch entries on graph
[17:27:09] <ssachtleben> not sure why
[17:27:11] <gastaldi> hum
[17:27:29] <gastaldi> Are you saving and logging out the javax.jcr.Session object ?
[17:27:34] <ssachtleben> maybe because I save session in each invoke
[17:27:52] <gastaldi> Try to logout also
[17:27:56] <ssachtleben> and if it invokes the method twice on the same time
[17:28:16] <gastaldi> A javax.jcr.Session should remain on request scope
[17:28:37] <ssachtleben> do I need to login on the next call then?
[17:28:50] <gastaldi> Yeah
[17:28:56] <gastaldi> Or you may use Seam JCR
[17:29:22] <gastaldi> Which you provide your Session ready to use
[17:30:27] <ssachtleben> I have also a provider for the session
[17:30:38] <ssachtleben> I dont use seam jcr because I have it a bit customized
[17:31:12] <ssachtleben> my jcr session provider is currently application scoped
[17:31:26] <ssachtleben> so it should be login do stuff and logout request based right?
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[17:33:14] <gastaldi> That seems the right thing to do
[17:34:54] <ssachtleben> ok I try that
[17:35:05] <gastaldi> Let me know if it works for you
[17:35:21] <ssachtleben> ye we will know in some minutes allready compiling :>
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[17:36:37] <ssachtleben> but sounds like a solution I had before just one cronjob which added new entries in my repository
[17:36:57] <ssachtleben> so it was alltime sequential which works fine with application scoped jcr session
[17:37:56] <jose_freitas> ssachtleben: well done, any "tips and tricks" that deserve mention?
[17:38:09] <jose_freitas> take a look at: http://community.jboss.org/thread/170025
[17:38:51] <jose_freitas> but it's nice to know that pf3 works with rf4
[17:38:53] <jose_freitas> :)
[17:38:59] <gastaldi> Cool !
[17:39:01] <ssachtleben> its quite easy
[17:39:21] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: You should document this stuff somewhere
[17:39:22] <ssachtleben> adding pf and skin mvn dependency
[17:39:27] <gastaldi> and ssachtleben also
[17:39:45] <ssachtleben> add <rich:jQuery rendered="false" /> on first line after h:body
[17:39:52] <ssachtleben> on global template
[17:39:52] <jose_freitas> gastaldi: I didn't start it yet
[17:40:00] <ssachtleben> and well done :P
[17:40:04] <jose_freitas> nice!
[17:40:18] <ssachtleben> if you use fileupload of pf you will have to add file upload filter on web.xml
[17:40:44] <jose_freitas> yeah, but that's not because rf, so it's ok
[17:40:46] <ssachtleben> I just failed hours yesterday on that my backend methods wasnt invoked on several components
[17:40:48] <jose_freitas> thanks ssachtleben
[17:40:55] 
[17:41:08] <ssachtleben> at the end I found out that pf components allways need and id parameter
[17:41:15] <ssachtleben> otherwise they dont work properly
[17:41:28] <ssachtleben> while their documentation examples doesnt have id properties
[17:41:32] <gastaldi> seems about right :)
[17:41:40] <jose_freitas> :)
[17:42:07] <ssachtleben> I have tested fileupload, greybox and terminal - all working awesome ;)
[17:42:13] <gastaldi> JSF 2.0 ?
[17:42:29] <gastaldi> I failed miserably to make it work on JSF 1.2 :P
[17:42:38] <ssachtleben> yea jsf2
[17:42:43] <gastaldi> nice
[17:42:43] <jose_freitas> gastaldi: probably, both pf3 and rf4 is jsf2 only
[17:42:48] <ssachtleben> i think rf4 only works with jsf2
[17:42:57] <gastaldi> yeah, of course, doh ! :P
[17:42:59] <jose_freitas> are*
[17:43:27] <ssachtleben> damn it doesnt work
[17:43:39] <gastaldi> the request scoped session ?
[17:43:43] <ssachtleben> yeah
[17:43:45] <gastaldi> :(
[17:43:50] <gastaldi> same error?
[17:43:56] <ssachtleben> you know I have some stuff running on serverside code which access to repository
[17:44:03] <ssachtleben> and I get WELD-001303 No active contexts for scope type javax.enterprise.context.RequestScoped
[17:44:13] <gastaldi> hummm
[17:45:05] <gastaldi> Are you injecting Sessions using CDI ?
[17:45:05] <ssachtleben> isnt the session in seam jcr also request scoped?
[17:45:11] <gastaldi> Not at all
[17:45:12] <ssachtleben> yep
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[17:45:30] <ssachtleben> I will try that now
[17:46:42] <ssachtleben> this greybox component rocks really :D
[17:47:01] <ssachtleben> something like that is really missing in rf
[17:48:08] <gastaldi> which greybox component is that ?
[17:48:16] 
[17:48:35] <ssachtleben> aww sorry I mean lightbox :D
[17:48:36] <ssachtleben> http://www.primefaces.org/showcase-labs/ui/lightboxHome.jsf
[17:48:51] <gastaldi> ah
[17:48:53] <gastaldi> :)
[17:48:57] 
[17:49:02] <gastaldi> ColorBox
[17:50:04] <ssachtleben> pf gives nice options to show images
[17:50:16] <gastaldi> cool stuff
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[17:51:51] <ssachtleben> The session with an ID of 'a5405011-c32e-4242-ae72-8beeda8a3339' has been closed and can no longer be used.
[17:51:53] <ssachtleben> damn
[17:52:02] <gastaldi> :P
[17:52:09] <gastaldi> you must reopen it
[17:52:32] <gastaldi> I mean, fetch a new Session
[17:52:59] <jose_freitas> pf really has nice components
[17:53:20] <jose_freitas> nice visual possibilities
[17:53:29] <ssachtleben> mhmm...
[17:53:31] <ssachtleben> http://pastebin.com/GW6eg7w4
[17:53:31] <gastaldi> yeah,
[17:53:40] <ssachtleben> this is my producer class
[17:54:04] <gastaldi> when is Session null ?
[17:54:23] <gastaldi> remove the attribute
[17:54:24] <ssachtleben> first time only seems so
[17:54:41] <ssachtleben> return directly repo.login()?
[17:54:45] <gastaldi> yeah
[17:54:48] <ssachtleben> ok
[17:55:16] <gastaldi> is this @JcrSession and @JcrRepository yours ?
[17:55:22] <gastaldi> or some other fw ?
[17:55:35] <ssachtleben> yeah
[17:55:37] <ssachtleben> my
[17:55:39] <gastaldi> ok
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[18:02:28] <ssachtleben> same error but I know why
[18:02:35] <ssachtleben> need to change my implementation damn
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[18:06:31] <ssachtleben> its not that easy
[18:08:04] <ssachtleben> my problem is the action bean injects repository manager which has the injected session
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[18:08:17] <ssachtleben> then I save the images and logout
[18:08:37] <ssachtleben> the next upload invoke has the same repository manager with the closed session
[18:10:47] <gastaldi> hum
[18:11:24] <gastaldi> Inject an Instance<Session> instead of injecting a Session then
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[18:48:20] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 3274682.. Koen Aers Implemented SEAMFORGE-263
[18:48:22] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-263] Add the possibility to register TriggeredActions on the ConsoleReader [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-263
[18:48:22] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 47bb416.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge pull request #45 from koentsje/SEAMFORGE-263...
[18:48:22] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/ddc0999...47bb416
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[18:57:20] <ssachtleben> so if I use Instance<Session> session
[18:57:34] <ssachtleben> I get allways a new instance on session.get() or?
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[19:09:42] <ssachtleben> oh progress it saves now fine
[19:09:52] <ssachtleben> but getting now: Permission denied to perform actions "read"
[19:09:52] <ssachtleben> :D
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[19:38:07] <edburns> emmanuel: Hello, are you here?
[19:38:31] <emmanuel> edburns: hi
[19:39:01] <edburns> emmanuel: Hello.  I have a Hibernate Validator version question for you.  Can you please give me the source code control url for Hibernate Validator 3.0.5?
[19:41:24] <emmanuel> Are you sure there was ever a 3.0.5 edburns ?
[19:41:41] <edburns> I am not at all sure.  I'm just asking on behalf of Jane Young from Oracle.
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[19:43:45] <emmanuel> edburns: no there never was such a beast http://sourceforge.net/projects/hibernate/files/hibernate-validator/
[19:44:23] <edburns> emmanuel: I have just now learned the origin of this query is a 2nd level manager firedrill.
[19:44:30] * edburns switches into "do what I mean" mode.
[19:45:31] <emmanuel> edburns: Don't forget to join the 349 EG BTW
[19:45:38] <emmanuel> we need to keep the JSR channels open
[19:45:52] <edburns> Thanks, I'll request membership right now in fact.
[19:52:42] <edburns> emmanuel: Membership requested.
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[20:05:13] <edburns> emmanuel: I used to go to <http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/hibernate/validator/tags/> to find the source of truth for what is a released version of Hibernate Validator.
[20:05:30] <lincolnthree> hey stuartdouglas, any idea how i can get this sun.reflect.annotation.TypeNotPresentExceptionProxy to actually tell me what isn't present?
[20:05:31] <emmanuel> that's the truth of the past
[20:05:34] <lincolnthree> this is really frustrating..
[20:05:35] <edburns> emmanuel: I don't see a tag for 4.0.2.Final in there.  Where can I find that tag?  Let me guess, you moved to git?
[20:05:53] <emmanuel> edburns: for the truth of the present and future, check out github.com/hibernate/hibernate-validator
[20:06:18] * edburns cannot escape git.
[20:06:39] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[20:06:49] <jose_freitas> edburns: don't resist
[20:06:54] <edburns> Dude, like, openjdk uses hg.  WTF.
[20:08:09] <edburns> Is this yet another example of my employer backing the wrong horse?
[20:08:51] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[20:09:01] <edburns> Does anyone even use hg?
[20:09:14] <edburns> Except for openjdk and mozilla.org?
[20:09:40] <jose_freitas> dunno
[20:09:45] <jose_freitas> I've used once with bitbucket
[20:09:47] <jamezp> code.google.com has support for it.
[20:10:15] <edburns> Sure, lots of sites have support for it, but what projects are actually using it?  I mean, it seems like git has won.
[20:10:17] <jamezp> hg is better in a Windows environment IMO.
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[20:10:46] <jose_freitas> yeah, git totally overcomed hg
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[20:12:03] <jamezp> I used it at my last job because we were in a Windows environment. I do like git a lot more now though.
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[20:23:14] <emmanuel> edburns: jamezp jose_freitas to me Hg is like Apple whereas Git is like a Geek Swiss Army Knife. In the end people like us prefer the knife over the usability. and GitHub just killed everything
[20:23:58] <edburns> emmanuel: Interesting analysis. Much more flattering to Hg than I have heard anyone be, though.
[20:24:24] <edburns> emmanuel: Can anyone here comment on GitHub's revenue model?
[20:24:36] <jamezp> emmanuel: The big thing I think hg is missing is git-like branching. But GitHub is pretty awesome.
[20:24:37] <lincolnthree> it works
[20:24:40] <emmanuel> The thing is, once you understand what Git does and how it stores things, you're god
[20:24:49] <emmanuel> you see the matrix and everything is natural
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[20:25:28] <emmanuel> edburns: dunno, but we do have some private org accounts.
[20:25:31] <emmanuel> gtg
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[20:26:10] <gastaldi> hahaha
[20:26:41] <gastaldi> seeing the matrix is a nice one
[20:27:02] <gastaldi> just take the red pill
[20:28:45] <edburns> Need some lunch
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[20:39:17] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: http://seamframework.org/Community/FacesValitatorErrorInSeam3AndTOMCAT#comment161964
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[20:40:39] <bleathem> sfwk.org needs a kick in the head, or at least a restart
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[20:43:16] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: restarting
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[20:52:12] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: I am unable to repsond to that forum thread - sfwk.org is not repsonding
[20:52:25] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: but I would ask hime if he has configred tomcat to work with weld
[20:52:25] <jose_freitas> lightguard_jp: were'nt the swfk.org be migrated to jboss community site?
[20:52:35] <bleathem> jose_freitas: I wish!
[20:52:53] <jose_freitas> wouldn't*
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[20:53:47] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: nvermind, I finally got in.  I've posted the rreply
[20:54:04] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: err... make that - it's posting, we'll see if it completes
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[20:55:46] <lightguard_jp> wow, I restarted and it's still really slow
[20:57:17] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: what is the timeframe for the jboss.org migration again? is it post 3.1?
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[20:58:12] <lightguard_jp> For the forums?
[20:58:45] <jose_freitas> yeah
[20:59:10] <lightguard_jp> another month or two probably
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[22:15:17] <mbg> hm. sfwk.org looks down again
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[22:16:19] <gastaldi> http://www.seamframework.org/ also :)
[22:16:44] <bleathem> gastaldi: seamframework.org *is* sfwk.org
[22:16:48] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[22:17:25] <mbg> even the google cache says so :)
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[22:25:51] <lightguard_jp> gr
[22:25:56] <lincolnthree> arg
[22:26:21] <lightguard_jp> Restarting
[22:26:33] <bleathem> arg matey, sfwk.org be walkin' the plank!
[22:26:50] <lightguard_jp> Gavin posted about Ceylon again the other day
[22:26:56] <lightguard_jp> Been on all the channels
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[22:33:50] <lightguard_jp> This thing takes forever to start
[22:33:52] <lightguard_jp> Good grief
[22:33:58] <lincolnthree> what does?
[22:34:03] <lincolnthree> oh
[22:34:04] <lincolnthree> swfk
[22:34:06] <lincolnthree> yea
[22:34:12] <lincolnthree> it's always a scary process
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[22:35:56] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: If I'm in a Java source file. I can getChild(method name) to get the method?
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[22:39:57] <lightguard_jp> It's back for now
[22:41:27] <jose_freitas> damn
[22:41:56] <jose_freitas> I made a test to see if some jsf components are doctype strict
[22:42:09] <jose_freitas> and on one of my first tests (h:form) it already fails
[22:42:13] <jose_freitas> =/
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[22:43:41] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: yeah
[22:43:47] <gastaldi> holy crap
[22:43:57] <lincolnthree> holy water
[22:44:12] <gastaldi> :)
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[22:52:26] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: We don't have a method name PromptType?
[22:52:43] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: ?
[22:53:19] <lincolnthree> context please :)
[22:53:23] <lightguard_jp> I want to have the user give me a method name to create, just use PromptType.Any ?
[22:53:43] <lincolnthree> ah, i see what you're saying
[22:53:45] <lincolnthree> that was confusing, lol
[22:53:50] <lincolnthree> Ummm
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[22:54:16] <lincolnthree> I think you can use JAVA_VARIABLE name or whatever for the same purpose as that
[22:54:22] <lincolnthree> not sure what its called atm
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[22:54:40] <kenfinnigan> afternoon all
[22:54:45] <lincolnthree> hey kenfinnigan!
[22:54:46] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Hey Ken
[22:54:50] <johnament> let's do this!!!
[22:55:10] <jose_freitas> hey kenfinnigan and johnament
[22:55:46] <johnament> hey jose_freitas lightguard_jp kenfinnigan lincolnthree bleathem
[22:56:14] <bleathem> hey johnament!
[22:56:45] <bleathem> johnament:  how'd the early morning duties go? (I doen't remember the specifics of the tweet)
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[22:57:52] <johnament> bleathem: fine, but i can't find my work badge.  had a coworker sneak me in.
[22:58:24] <bleathem> Sounds like you don't work at Fort Knox
[22:59:55] <johnament> nope not at all
[23:00:28] <johnament> its retail, people float in and out
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[23:02:34] <lightguard_jp> #startmeeting
[23:02:35] <jbott> Meeting started Wed Jul 27 21:01:29 2011 UTC.  The chair is lightguard_jp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
[23:02:35] <jbott> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
[23:02:47] <lightguard_jp> Welcome everyone!
[23:02:53] <lightguard_jp> It's that time of the week again!
[23:02:54] <lightguard_jp> :)
[23:03:09] <jose_freitas> #agreed
[23:03:11] <jose_freitas> hehehe
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[23:03:56] <lightguard_jp> First on the agenda, as always, are follow ups from the past meeting
[23:04:03] <lightguard_jp> #topic Action Item Follow Up
[23:04:04] *** jbott changes topic to "Action Item Follow Up"
[23:04:26] <lightguard_jp> I have a couple and so does sbryzak
[23:04:59] <lightguard_jp> I'm not sure if Shane is here or not, so I'll start with mine.
[23:05:19] <lightguard_jp> #info the Seam Hack Night section is up on sfwk.org now
[23:05:31] <lightguard_jp> With info and also the previous one.
[23:05:56] <lightguard_jp> johnament: If you have something you'd like to say about the last Hack Night let me know and I'll add it.
[23:06:18] <lightguard_jp> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/ProjectMeetings Is where you can find info about Seam Hack Night
[23:06:19] <johnament> It did not go as well as I had hoped
[23:06:43] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, we're going to work on that for the next one.
[23:07:00] <lightguard_jp> Hopefully we'll get some tweets / blogs / exposure in general about the next one.
[23:08:13] <lightguard_jp> The next one was the Spring Module page. We have a section up, just need it all fleshed out.
[23:08:56] <lightguard_jp> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/SpringModuleHome is the location for the Spring module
[23:09:03] <johnament> Who's the lead of the spring module?
[23:09:11] <lightguard_jp> Marius
[23:09:33] <lightguard_jp> #info Marius Bogoevici (mbg in IRC) is the lead of the Spring Module
[23:09:43] <lightguard_jp> #info it's targeted for inclusion in Seam 3.1
[23:09:58] <mbg> lightguard_jp: yup. I started working on that. had a few slowdowns due to task conflicts and slowdowns. hope to have it ready by Friday, when I leave
[23:10:08] <lightguard_jp> mbg: Great!
[23:10:32] <lightguard_jp> One of Shane's tasks was getting GreenHopper setup on all the JIRA projects
[23:10:53] <lightguard_jp> Any one know if that's been done? I'm not actually sure how to check
[23:11:22] <mbg> lightguard_jp: seems done. I have GH for SEAMSPRING OOTB
[23:11:48] <jose_freitas> mbg: do you have gitflow in the module?
[23:11:57] <mbg> jose_freitas: yes
[23:12:18] <sbryzak> morning guys
[23:12:24] <lightguard_jp> I'm going to assume that's done then.
[23:12:25] <jose_freitas> morning sbryzak
[23:12:34] <lightguard_jp> :)
[23:12:35] <lincolnthree> evening sbryzak
[23:12:51] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: GreenHopper get added to all the JIRA projects?
[23:13:06] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: yes
[23:13:11] <lightguard_jp> Perfect!
[23:13:23] <sbryzak> btw, are you guys finished with summer?  the southern hemisphere would like it back please
[23:13:33] <lightguard_jp> Next one is talking to Ondrej about example pom ownership
[23:13:35] <jose_freitas> lol
[23:13:43] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Any progress with that?
[23:14:00] <sbryzak> still haven't caught up with him yet
[23:14:04] <lightguard_jp> Okay
[23:14:11] <sbryzak> assume it's a yes though
[23:14:31] <lightguard_jp> That works
[23:14:36] <johnament> sbryzak: we're in 100 degree weather. want?
[23:14:55] <lightguard_jp> #topic Next Seam Hack Night
[23:14:56] *** jbott changes topic to "Next Seam Hack Night"
[23:15:03] <sbryzak> johnament: just give me half of those degrees and i'll be happy
[23:15:11] <johnament> mines in farenheit
[23:15:20] <lightguard_jp> #info Next Seam Hack night is Aug 11th
[23:16:27] <lightguard_jp> We need a module to hack on
[23:16:35] <lightguard_jp> Any leads want to volunteer?
[23:16:42] <johnament> oh
[23:16:53] <lightguard_jp> Hopefully something we can help move towards 3.1 or another release.
[23:16:55] <johnament> I thought you said spring was the next module. but now i'm rereading the conversation
[23:17:46] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Is there a module you think we should focus on for the next hack night?
[23:17:47] <johnament> what about mail or cron?
[23:18:07] <lightguard_jp> Oh, that reminds me
[23:18:08] <sbryzak> possibly security?
[23:18:23] <lightguard_jp> #info Mail had an alpha1 release!
[23:18:28] <lincolnthree> security would be a good one
[23:18:34] <lightguard_jp> +1 for security
[23:18:34] <gastaldi> security it is !
[23:18:44] <johnament> well, except that Mail and Cron are behind schedule for Beta
[23:18:47] <kenfinnigan> +1 for security too
[23:19:08] <bleathem> security gets a lot of attention in the forums
[23:19:14] <bleathem> obviously a pupular module
[23:19:15] <clerum> conversation could use some help
[23:19:17] <sbryzak> i think that pete said cron was essentially ready
[23:19:25] <bleathem> makes it a good candidate for a hack night
[23:19:37] <johnament> ok
[23:19:39] <clerum> strugging to do something simple right now like catch a ViewExpiredException and redirect to home
[23:19:40] <johnament> mail then?
[23:19:59] <johnament> my vote's mail.
[23:20:00] <lightguard_jp> I think Conversation is good, needs docs and an example.
[23:20:12] <sbryzak> clerum: would seam mail benefit from a hack night?
[23:21:00] <clerum> I haven't participated in a hack night
[23:21:01] <bleathem> clerum: catch + faces should allow you to catch a ViewExpiredException and redirect to home
[23:21:05] <lightguard_jp> The three modules that typically come up in the forums are security, persistence and faces.
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[23:21:22] <clerum> yeah but I also needed to disassociate a conversation it seems
[23:21:30] <clerum> and conversation as zero docs
[23:21:35] <clerum> other than a blog post
[23:21:47] <clerum> seen posts on the forum about it as well
[23:21:57] <sbryzak> the conversation module is really a stop gap until cdi 1.1
[23:22:05] <clerum> mail probably would just benifit from me writing the reference docs
[23:22:11] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, a few about conversation control and also catch, but not nearly as many as security, persistence and faces.
[23:22:13] <clerum> dunno if it needs a whole hack night
[23:22:15] <sbryzak> so any efforts we put into it would eventually be redundant
[23:22:17] <clerum> rue
[23:22:19] <clerum> true
[23:22:21] <clerum> k
[23:22:30] <sbryzak> of course, that could be said about all seam modules
[23:22:40] <sbryzak> they'll all become redundant ones computers become self aware
[23:22:41] <clerum> I'm working on a new example project so I may touch base with a couple of you to help get your relevant parts working
[23:22:47] <lightguard_jp> If we had enough people we could focus on two,
[23:22:49] <sbryzak> hopefully my underground fortress will be complete by then
[23:22:49] <clerum> teneativly called seamCRM
[23:22:55] <clerum> kind of a salesforce.com thing
[23:22:56] <gastaldi> wow
[23:23:04] <lightguard_jp> Some could do examples / docs for Conversation and the others could work on something else.
[23:23:05] <gastaldi> Cool
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[23:23:28] <gastaldi> so we are doing Seam Conversation then ?
[23:23:50] 
[23:23:54] <lightguard_jp> The two I've heard or security and conversation
[23:24:04] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Nope, it's usable everywhere.
[23:24:27] <clerum> I think the blog post for conversation could just be converted to ref docs
[23:24:31] <clerum> that would probably be good enough
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[23:24:35] 
[23:24:35] <clerum> or linked to
[23:24:36] <gastaldi> :)
[23:24:49] <bleathem> +1 security
[23:24:56] * bleathem time for a vote
[23:24:56] <gastaldi> +1 security also
[23:25:01] <clerum> security+
[23:25:17] * bleathem shouldn't vote, as I won't be able to make the hack night anyway
[23:25:22] <gastaldi> I hope this time the hack night will be more crowded than the last one
[23:25:41] <johnament> bleathem: why not?
[23:26:06] <bleathem> johnament: RichFaces deadline approaching - efforts concentrated
[23:26:17] <johnament> bleathem: you're too corporate.
[23:26:33] <gastaldi> bleathem: Take some red bulls and join us
[23:26:41] <bleathem> lol
[23:26:42] <jose_freitas> heheeh
[23:27:01] <gastaldi> Ok, so security it is ?
[23:27:01] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I'm hearing quite a bit for security.
[23:27:02] <jose_freitas> security would be a nice target
[23:27:07] <lightguard_jp> #agreed Seam Security will be the next focus for Seam Hack Night
[23:27:10] <gastaldi> ok, unanimous decision
[23:27:21] <gastaldi> Everybody in your forks !
[23:27:30] 
[23:27:30] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Would you put together a plan in the next day or two and mail it out to the list?
[23:27:31] <gastaldi> :)
[23:27:33] <edburns> Does anyone know if it's possible to make maven copy the -javadoc.jar artifact to my local repository when I run mvn install?
[23:27:35] <jose_freitas> but we should give priority to those modules that have more issues
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[23:27:48] <sbryzak> i'll put together a list of things to do
[23:27:55] <jose_freitas> so we could build a ground to let the team finish the work after the night
[23:27:55] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: JIRA tickets to focus on, places to look for insight about what's going on, etc.
[23:27:59] <sbryzak> there's quite a lot, so participants will have a choice
[23:28:05] <gastaldi> edburns: We are on a meeting, sorry.
[23:28:16] <edburns> no problem, thanks for letting me know.
[23:28:27] <lightguard_jp> edburns: Would you mind asking again in about 30 minutes (after the meeting) please?
[23:28:43] <lightguard_jp> I guess gastaldi typed faster than I did
[23:28:45] <lightguard_jp> :)
[23:28:47] <gastaldi> :)
[23:28:54] <gastaldi> Keyboard monster
[23:29:01] <lightguard_jp> #action sbryzak Will get a list of things together for Hack Night.
[23:29:11] <lightguard_jp> We'll need to tweet about it, blogs, etc.
[23:29:19] <gastaldi> Yeah, and use jboss.org feeds
[23:29:20] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: We should get it on the JBoss.org Calendar as well.
[23:29:32] 
[23:29:40] <gastaldi> :)
[23:29:45] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[23:29:45] <lightguard_jp> Don't get on gastaldi's bad side.
[23:29:53] <gastaldi> lol
[23:30:15] <gastaldi> We should definitely have some beers
[23:30:24] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Would it be helpful to get any of the PicketLink guys to help?
[23:30:40] <sbryzak> we shouldn't need to
[23:30:51] <jose_freitas> gastaldi: if you want to meet, we could try this time again. I can buy some nice beers
[23:31:01] <gastaldi> lol, I need to check my agenda
[23:31:03] <sbryzak> there's heaps of stuff to unrelated stuff to do.. ACL permissions for example
[23:31:11] <sbryzak> what time on august 11 is it?
[23:31:25] <lightguard_jp> 22:00 UTC
[23:31:28] 
[23:31:47] <jose_freitas> hm, np
[23:31:50] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: I think that's 8:00 your time
[23:32:20] <gastaldi> Who is the leader from Seam Security ?
[23:32:33] * gastaldi is lazy to open the seamframework.org page :P
[23:32:35] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Shane :)
[23:32:46] <gastaldi> yeah
[23:32:59] <sbryzak> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Seam+Hack+Night+-+Seam+Security&iso=20110811T22&ah=4
[23:33:19] <lightguard_jp> It's also in the seam-dev google calendar
[23:33:34] <gastaldi> sbryzak: Can you list the needed issues to be fixed for the next release ?
[23:33:45] <jose_freitas> ok, let's try to rock this time
[23:33:51] <gastaldi> yeah
[23:33:55] <lightguard_jp> Shane will send out an email to the dev list.
[23:34:04] <lightguard_jp> We'll get more exposure this time :)
[23:34:07] <sbryzak> i'll put together a list
[23:34:45] <lightguard_jp> Any other questions about the next Seam Hack Night?
[23:35:33] <lightguard_jp> #topic Seam 3.1 Questions
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[23:35:46] <lightguard_jp> Shane and I will field any questions people about Seam 3.1
[23:35:55] <lightguard_jp> Time line, what's included, etc.
[23:37:34] <sbryzak> to summarise what our goals are for 3.1
[23:37:43] <sbryzak> first of all, we have a bunch of new modules
[23:37:52] <sbryzak> some of them are quite exciting
[23:38:13] <sbryzak> which is great, because it's important to show the community that we're continually innovating
[23:38:29] <johnament> the first seam 3 module is finally included.
[23:38:46] <sbryzak> the other main goal is to provide the community with more learning resources
[23:38:56] <sbryzak> we're achieving that by improving the documentation
[23:39:12] <sbryzak> jason's working on a new getting started guide and example app
[23:39:27] <sbryzak> the other angle we're approaching this from is seam university
[23:39:37] <gastaldi> I wish Seam Reports could make it, but there are some issues though
[23:39:38] <sbryzak> which i'm hoping to release in conjunction with seam 3.1
[23:39:39] <gastaldi> :(
[23:39:56] <sbryzak> gastaldi: we may be able to help you out with it
[23:40:23] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: SU for Seam 3.1 Beta or Final?
[23:40:41] <sbryzak> i'm planning a synchronized release with seam 3.1 final
[23:40:55] <sbryzak> although i'm sure i'll have a beta for people to look at before then
[23:41:06] <sbryzak> but it won't be tied with the 3.1 release schedule
[23:41:37] <sbryzak> does anyone have any questions about the 3.1 release?
[23:42:09] <sbryzak> seems like a no :)
[23:42:47] <lightguard_jp> Okay, just to recap then.
[23:43:04] <lightguard_jp> #info Seam 3.1 Final due Sept / Oct time frame
[23:43:15] <lightguard_jp> #info Many new modules will be added
[23:43:25] <lightguard_jp> #info Seam is continuing to innovate
[23:43:42] <lightguard_jp> #info Seam University will be out for Seam 3.1.0.Final
[23:43:48] <lightguard_jp> Did I miss anything?
[23:44:12] <sbryzak> looks good
[23:44:20] <gastaldi> sbryzak: There is an OpenOffice module that I would like to be left off
[23:44:32] <jose_freitas> we should focus on some bugs too
[23:44:33] <gastaldi> But we can discuss that later
[23:44:45] <jose_freitas> maybe some modules deserves more night hacks
[23:44:53] <sbryzak> everyone should be fixing bugs in their own modules, that's assumed
[23:44:58] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: Of course bugs that have been reported with the modules should be fixed as much as possible
[23:45:20] <lightguard_jp> #info we'd really like to have new versions for 3.1.0.Final
[23:45:21] <sbryzak> i think we should definitely have a few more hack nights before the final release
[23:45:29] <gastaldi> +1
[23:45:48] <sbryzak> there will be new versions for all modules regardless, because we're removing shaded jars
[23:45:55] <sbryzak> so that necessitates it
[23:46:05] <lightguard_jp> That's true.
[23:46:28] <lightguard_jp> Hopefully those new versions include other features / fixes besides removing the shaded jars :)
[23:46:43] <lightguard_jp> Like Shane said, that's all up to the module leads though.
[23:47:00] <lightguard_jp> And like we talked about last week, better documentation for the modules.
[23:48:40] <lightguard_jp> If no one else has anything, we're done :)
[23:49:19] <bleathem> Seam Faces will probably not see much attention before 3.1
[23:49:27] <bleathem> but thankfully we got some early point releases in
[23:49:32] <bleathem> shortly after 3.0
[23:49:49] <kenfinnigan> to give everyone an update on the arquillian testsuite structure
[23:50:00] <kenfinnigan> in the next day or so I should be committing the changes to i18n
[23:50:08] <kenfinnigan> and everyone can take a look and give their thoughts
[23:50:22] <kenfinnigan> if everyone's happy then we can move the container boms into a seam parent module
[23:50:32] <lightguard_jp> #action kenfinnigan: When you're done please email the list and give us a recap
[23:50:34] <kenfinnigan> and then I'll adjust i18n to reference those instead
[23:50:39] <kenfinnigan> will do
[23:50:49] <lightguard_jp> thanks
[23:51:26] <lightguard_jp> I think that concludes the meeting for the week.
[23:51:30] <lightguard_jp> Thanks for attending everyone!
[23:51:36] <lightguard_jp> #endmeeting
[23:51:37] <kenfinnigan> cheers everyone
[23:51:41] <jose_freitas> cheers
[23:51:49] *** jbott changes topic to "Seam 3.0.0.Final has been released! Development discussions for Seam (seamframework.org). Join #seam for user discussions.  See http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Chat for logs and more info.  TeamSpeak 3 server is available for Seam devs at 216.6.228.98:10024, password: seam-dev"
[23:51:49] <jbott> Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 21:50:30 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
[23:51:49] <jbott> Minutes:        http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-07-27-21.01.html
[23:51:49] <jbott> Minutes (text): http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-07-27-21.01.txt
[23:51:49] <jbott> Log:            http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-07-27-21.01.log.html
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