[00:00:01] <mojavelinux> quick interjection...has anyone run Seam booking on AS 7? Pete claimed on the mailinglist I had, but I have not
[00:00:18] <lightguard_jp> Nope
[00:00:24] <gastaldi> me neither
[00:00:28] <kenfinnigan> nope
[00:00:29] <mojavelinux> AS 7 will be out next week, so test stuff on it now, or hold your peace :)
[00:00:36] <maschmid> I did
[00:00:37] <gastaldi> cool
[00:00:51] <mojavelinux> oh good! did you have to make changes to the repository?
[00:02:27] <gastaldi> **crickets**
[00:02:30] <maschmid> Just SEAM-93
[00:02:32] <jbossbot> jira [SEAM-93] Seam3 Booking example NPE in bookHotel on AS7 [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Marek Schmidt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAM-93
[00:03:12] <mojavelinux> oh, yep, that was a pretty faces issue I remember seeing
[00:03:21] <mojavelinux> it would drop the conversation
[00:03:23] <lightguard_jp> #info the winner of the DWG vote goes to Ken Finnigan
[00:03:29] <mojavelinux> yeah!!!!
[00:03:39] <lightguard_jp> It was a tight race and came down to the wire though :)
[00:03:51] <kenfinnigan> thanks guys
[00:03:53] 
[00:03:59] <mojavelinux> congrats Ken! This project just churns out leaders :)
[00:04:05] <bleathem> congrats kenfinnigan!
[00:04:05] <gastaldi> kenfinnigan: Congratulations !
[00:04:08] <kenfinnigan> like a meat grinder?!
[00:04:16] <jose_freitas> congratulation ken, I almost voted to you too :)
[00:04:17] <lightguard_jp> jose_freitas: kenfinnigan Do either of you care if I release the % or the numbers?
[00:04:20] <kenfinnigan> thanks all
[00:04:27] <jose_freitas> not at all
[00:04:27] <kenfinnigan> nope
[00:04:33] <lightguard_jp> 5 to 4
[00:04:39] <gastaldi> wow, tight one
[00:04:39] <bleathem> wow, close one!
[00:04:44] <gastaldi> hehe
[00:04:56] * bleathem typed faster than gastaldi for the first time. ever.
[00:05:03] <gastaldi> hehehe
[00:05:08] <jose_freitas> I'm happy enough with those results :)
[00:05:19] <gastaldi> jose_freitas is our vice
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[00:06:03] <gastaldi> Now kenfinnigan will buy beer for everyone of us to celebrate :)
[00:06:19] <kenfinnigan> virtual beer for all! ;-)
[00:06:29] <jose_freitas> make mine a guinness
[00:06:30] <mojavelinux> I want to see the glass on twitter now :)
[00:06:42] <gastaldi> yeah
[00:06:56] <kenfinnigan> maybe tonight, if not it twill be soon!
[00:06:59] <gastaldi> make  that bird tweet
[00:07:35] <kenfinnigan> ok all, need to dash
[00:07:46] <kenfinnigan> making dinner for my son and typing are not mixing too well!
[00:07:53] <gastaldi> yeah, go celebrate
[00:07:57] <mojavelinux> we should make a colleage of the community hero glasses
[00:08:08] <mojavelinux> I think I have one from everyone
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[00:08:22] <mojavelinux> jason, we need your mug w/ tea :)
[00:08:22] <daniel_hinojosa> bleathem:  RIIIIIIING (focus booster)
[00:08:24] <gastaldi> mojavelinux: How is that van gogh portait going ?
[00:08:43] <mojavelinux> it's going to be awesome. thanks for all those pictures, they are great!
[00:08:47] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: Hm, I'll have to find a good herbal tea, or maybe some hot chocolate
[00:08:59] <lightguard_jp> I think that's all I have for the meeting
[00:08:59] <mojavelinux> hot chocolate, yeah :)
[00:09:00] <gastaldi> cool
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[00:09:04] <lightguard_jp> Thanks everyone for coming.
[00:09:11] <bleathem> daniel_hinojosa: that's the virtual; equivalent of a tomato in the face
[00:09:11] <jose_freitas> good night guys
[00:09:14] <lightguard_jp> Together we make Seam AWESOME!
[00:09:14] <gastaldi> thank you
[00:09:33] <gastaldi> night jose_freitas
[00:09:46] <lightguard_jp> #endmeeting
[00:09:49] <bleathem> later jose_freitas
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[00:09:51] <mojavelinux> bleathem: knock, knock, point at clock
[00:09:54] *** jbott changes topic to "Seam 3.0.0.Final has been released! Development discussions for Seam (seamframework.org). Join #seam for user discussions.  See http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Chat for logs and more info.  TeamSpeak 3 server is available for Seam devs at 216.6.228.98:10024, password: seam-dev"
[00:09:54] <jbott> Meeting ended Wed Jul  6 22:13:36 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
[00:09:54] <jbott> Minutes:        http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-07-06-21.05.html
[00:09:54] <jbott> Minutes (text): http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-07-06-21.05.txt
[00:09:54] <jbott> Log:            http://transcripts.jboss.org/meeting/irc.freenode.org/seam-dev/2011/seam-dev.2011-07-06-21.05.log.html
[00:10:05] <bleathem> mojavelinux: I shared that story of daniel_hinojosa with my wife
[00:10:10] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[00:10:13] <jose_freitas> oh btw, now that there're more people here, would anyone mind to point a good screen recorder for linux?
[00:10:15] <bleathem> mojavelinux: she was sympathetic with danno's girlfriend
[00:10:27] <mojavelinux> I bet she was
[00:10:42] <mojavelinux> jose, I've used gtk-recordMyDesktop with success
[00:10:42] <bleathem> I want to suggest chagning the meeting time to make it more convenient for our East Coast friends
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[00:10:56] <lightguard_jp> I've used wink before, but it's been a while
[00:10:59] <jose_freitas> thanks mojavelinux
[00:11:01] <bleathem> we chose this time to accomodate Shane I believe, but it still seems to be a bad time for him
[00:11:03] <mojavelinux> the tricky part is converting the output to something you can upload
[00:11:06] <mojavelinux> because it generates ogg
[00:11:10] <mojavelinux> and this is not an ogg friendly world
[00:11:10] <gastaldi> bleathem: What time is it now on East coast ?
[00:11:15] <jose_freitas> I can manage that
[00:11:28] <mojavelinux> I have some recommended scripts for converting
[00:11:31] <lightguard_jp> The meeting starts at 1700 Eastern time
[00:11:32] <bleathem> the meeting runds fom 5pm to 6pm EST, which is in the middle of the commute
[00:11:36] <mojavelinux> digging up
[00:11:43] <jose_freitas> mojavelinux: ok, thanks ;)
[00:11:51] <mojavelinux> yeah, we can go earlier if you want to keep that discussion going bleathem
[00:11:55] <lightguard_jp> Moving it back an hour seems like a good thing
[00:11:59] <gastaldi> bleathem: Another reason to stay at office
[00:11:59] <lightguard_jp> Or up
[00:12:01] <gastaldi> :)
[00:12:08] <lightguard_jp> But that would screw our auzzie friends
[00:12:17] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: You mean, sbryzak
[00:12:38] <bleathem> I think our aussie friedns are already screwed
[00:12:44] <gastaldi> haha
[00:12:53] <bleathem> I meant that in the most polite way possible
[00:12:59] <gastaldi> lol
[00:13:05] <bleathem> meaning the time is bad for them
[00:13:34] <mojavelinux> time is just bad for them in general :(
[00:13:52] <mojavelinux> or to paraphrase pete, time is more sane in our parts of the world :)
[00:14:03] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: And Pete Royle
[00:14:13] <gastaldi> ah sure
[00:14:30] <jose_freitas> mojavelinux: I'll have to go.. I'll ping you later to see you find those scripts
[00:14:39] <mojavelinux> goal between now and next meeting, tweet about AS 7 like crazy :) #JBossAS7
[00:14:41] <mojavelinux> k
[00:14:45] <jose_freitas> in anycase, thank you
[00:14:56] <jose_freitas> I'll try it tonight
[00:15:00] <mojavelinux> cause it's just awesome and those guys really deserve the boast
[00:15:15] <mojavelinux> boost
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[00:15:44] <bleathem> mojavelinux: did you catch the EAP OSS converation with Alexis on twitter at all?
[00:15:50] <gastaldi> ok, moving out ! See ya !
[00:15:57] <bleathem> cu gastaldi !
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[00:38:37] <mojavelinux> bleathem: I did. I think we need clearer statements about what exactly the story is so that we aren't sending it out in bits and pieces
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[00:41:11] <bleathem> mojavelinux: agreed.  I asked in #jboss-dev before responding, but even among that crew the answer isn't clear
[00:41:45] <mojavelinux> watch thecore, i've got a message i'm going to send that should help clear things up, then we can turn around and make some better statements
[00:42:05] <bleathem> mojavelinux: if there were a page or blog that I could link to, that would help
[00:42:23] <bleathem> I know Mark Little has blogged along those lines
[00:42:29] <mojavelinux> basically, a good one doesn't exist yet, but the raw material is there
[00:42:30] <bleathem> I should give those a re-read
[00:42:33] <mojavelinux> we need to push the product people on this
[00:42:39] <bleathem> +1
[00:42:41] <mojavelinux> again, watch thecore
[00:42:51] <mojavelinux> then i'll post here what I write there (just want to get the e-mail written first)
[00:42:58] <bleathem> thecore is hard to watch! It's quite the firehose
[00:43:12] <bleathem> mojavelinux: sounds good
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[00:58:12] <mojavelinux> basically, hit the 17:00 mark of Mark Proctors interview here: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2011/07/05/redhat-summit-interviews/
[00:58:46] <mojavelinux> I do still think we need more clarity on where the EAP branches are, and the fact that they are all open source, but that's a super start to that explaination
[00:59:31] <mojavelinux> basically, when you get products, you aren't paying for software...what you are paying for is someone to hit the pause button and ensure stability, and pave a new path that the OSS project isn't going to spend time following
[00:59:57] <mojavelinux> it's very much a service, and a valuable one at that
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[01:00:07] <mojavelinux> and as I always say, the value of the product is the product + the project
[01:00:11] <mojavelinux> not the difference between the two
[01:01:26] <bleathem> Alexis made a good point tho
[01:01:27] <mojavelinux> and a subscriptions is an investment in the right way to create software, and you see the value of that investment through rapid innovation followed by stability you would expect in a production environment
[01:02:17] <bleathem> it's currently impossible for a customer to download the source, and reproduce the binary bits that were distributed
[01:02:31] <bleathem> since they can't reproduce the build
[01:03:17] <bleathem> I agree the value in a subscription is genuine, but it's the EAP isn't OSS argument that is hard to counter
[01:03:18] <mojavelinux> that's not true, customers have access to that information (if not the public as well)
[01:03:30] <mojavelinux> that being said, EAP has been screwed up pretty royally in the past
[01:03:32] <bleathem> good to hear
[01:03:39] <mojavelinux> we should "keep them honest"
[01:03:46] <mojavelinux> and we have a vested interest in doing so
[01:04:00] <bleathem> so how do we put that pressure on them?
[01:04:05] <mojavelinux> since otherwise it undermines what we believe in
[01:04:11] <mojavelinux> make noise
[01:04:32] <mojavelinux> you can e-mail thecore or you can pass it up through mgmt like Jay or Rodney
[01:04:39] <bleathem> Should JBoss have a page describing how to rebuild EAP from source?
[01:05:33] <mojavelinux> I would say so...but any page that provides that information should keep very close to it information about why trying to build your own EAP to avoid subscription costs hurts the system
[01:05:58] <mojavelinux> basically, we shouldn't be afraid to say why we think the subscriptions keep this system functioning
[01:06:57] <mojavelinux> again, it's about being transparent...being transparent about how to build it, and being transparent about what makes the process work
[01:07:11] <bleathem> I agree
[01:07:22] <mojavelinux> so, let's stay on them about it
[01:07:25] <bleathem> I'll reply to your post to the core with something along these lines
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[01:57:57] <jose_freitas> every one gone for a beer?
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[02:08:41] <ramykamel> Hi, what is the best way to run Forge from within Eclipse for a newly checked out Forge from github? Calling 'maven exec:java' from within Eclipse?
[02:13:57] <ramykamel> I'm looking for an effective develop-build-test cycle to contribute to Forge from within Eclipse.. I'm wondering what are the best practices here
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[02:16:52] <ramykamel> hi @gastaldi
[02:18:08] <gastaldi> hey ramykamel
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[02:33:23] <gastaldi> hey kenfinnigan ! Our DWG man !
[02:33:41] <kenfinnigan> hey gastaldi! thanks
[02:33:47] <gastaldi> :)
[02:33:59] <kenfinnigan> very close race
[02:34:17] <gastaldi> yeah, hard choices
[02:34:37] <gastaldi> Two competent people
[02:35:06] <kenfinnigan> I'll do the best I can on DWG
[02:35:48] <gastaldi> no doubt about it
[02:36:23] <gastaldi> I wonder... Why is JBoss Tools on SVN yet ??
[02:37:10] <kenfinnigan> not sure
[02:37:19] <kenfinnigan> max anderson is the one to answer that
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[02:40:27] <gastaldi> hey jose_freitas
[02:40:33] <jose_freitas> hey gastaldi
[02:40:35] <jose_freitas> :)
[02:42:52] <jose_freitas> gastaldi, mojavelinux: found a good screenrecorder called recordITNow, it an abstraction from recordMyDesktop(one of them) but it can convert the result to mp4 and upload direclty to certainly channels like youtube.
[02:47:07] <jose_freitas> gastaldi, I have two questions about forge and I was wondering if you could help me with that
[02:47:27] <jose_freitas> 1) new-entity is not a "default" plugin anymore?
[02:47:42] <jose_freitas> 2) is there a plugin to create ejb?
[02:47:53] <kenfinnigan> pretty sure 2 is a no at present
[02:48:07] <kenfinnigan> as for 1, I think it should be provided persistence is setup
[02:48:40] <jose_freitas> hey kenfinnigan! :)
[02:48:51] <kenfinnigan> hey jose_freitas!
[02:48:56] <jose_freitas> persistence plugin does exist
[02:49:07] <kenfinnigan> is it setup
[02:49:09] <kenfinnigan> ?
[02:49:18] <jose_freitas> yes
[02:49:25] <jose_freitas> but I need that one that create entities
[02:49:36] <jose_freitas> persistence plugin creates a persistence.xml
[02:49:39] <kenfinnigan> new-entity should be available then, unless something has changed in the last couple of days
[02:49:43] <kenfinnigan> correct
[02:50:18] <jose_freitas> yes, I remember using it without installing any different plugin
[02:50:42] <kenfinnigan> pretty sure I haven't seen anything saying it has been removed
[02:50:53] <kenfinnigan> think it is core jee so should be there as default plugin
[02:51:41] <jose_freitas> ok
[02:51:42] <jose_freitas> thanks
[02:51:53] <kenfinnigan> let me know if it doesn't work
[02:52:20] <kenfinnigan> what's the list of project commands that are available?
[02:53:51] <jose_freitas> well, big list.
[02:54:06] <gastaldi> hey, I am back
[02:54:46] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: what do u mean by "default" plugin ?
[02:55:00] <jose_freitas> the ones that comes with the core
[02:55:08] <jose_freitas> like "cd" and "new-project"
[02:55:16] <ramykamel> it's called 'entity' I'd say
[02:55:58] <kenfinnigan> pretty sure you need to be in the context of a project before new-entity is available
[02:56:07] <jose_freitas> I am
[02:56:17] <gastaldi> let me see
[02:56:31] <jose_freitas> and the entity plugin is with the core
[02:56:38] <jose_freitas> just checked in github
[02:56:45] <kenfinnigan> what options do u have for commands?
[02:57:28] <jose_freitas> scaffold, arquillian, persistence, shade, jgit, build
[02:57:33] <jose_freitas> and some others more
[02:58:05] <kenfinnigan> weird
[02:58:39] <jose_freitas> indeed
[02:59:00] <jose_freitas> I think I'm compiling it again
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[03:10:13] <gastaldi> let me test it
[03:10:30] <gastaldi> have you run "persistence setup" ?
[03:10:59] <kenfinnigan> he said he had
[03:11:04] <gastaldi> hum
[03:11:35] <gastaldi> entity --named
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[03:11:55] <gastaldi> There you go: entity --named Customer
[03:12:28] <gastaldi> But you must run persistence setup first
[03:12:50] <kenfinnigan> figured that was the case
[03:12:59] <kenfinnigan> when he comes back we can check
[03:14:06] <gastaldi> hum, the creation of fields is not very nice
[03:14:17] <gastaldi> It creates fields under the last method
[03:14:30] <kenfinnigan> ewww
[03:14:52] <gastaldi> :P
[03:15:02] <gastaldi> At least the field is there :)
[03:15:17] <kenfinnigan> true
[03:17:51] <jose_freitas> I had persistence setup
[03:18:05] <jose_freitas> but right now I cant test it because I remove it to replace with a new version
[03:18:12] <jose_freitas> I'm downloading the internet now
[03:18:14] <jose_freitas> to build it
[03:18:19] <kenfinnigan> lucky u
[03:18:46] <jose_freitas> but thanks guys
[03:20:02] <gastaldi> :)
[03:20:15] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: Try pulling the sources from github
[03:20:28] <gastaldi> and run "mvn exec:java" inside the dist folder
[03:20:49] 
[03:21:23] <jose_freitas> found that downloading it from here https://repository.jboss.org/nexus/content/groups/public/org/jboss/forge/forge-distribution/1.0.0-SNAPSHOT/
[03:21:42] <gastaldi> ah, or that.
[03:21:45] <jose_freitas> would be quicker than finish downloading the internet
[03:21:50] <gastaldi> :)
[03:21:51] <jose_freitas> it works now
[03:21:53] <jose_freitas> thanks
[03:21:53] <gastaldi> Wiser indeed
[03:21:59] <gastaldi> nop
[03:24:44] <jose_freitas> would be nice a plugin to generate ejb's
[03:25:18] 
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[03:26:33] <gastaldi> like, specifying Stateless or stateful
[03:27:02] <stuartdouglas> why do you need a plugin to generate EJB's? It's just one annotation :-)
[03:27:02] <gastaldi> and methods, whatever
[03:27:17] <gastaldi> hehe
[03:28:20] 
[03:28:51] <gastaldi> no need for that stupid interface anymor
[03:28:54] <gastaldi> e
[03:29:16] <jbossbot> git [core] push master d26bb7d.. Lincoln Baxter, III Event bus now maintains event order, all allows for EventBusGroomers to review events before firing
[03:29:16] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/6774748...d26bb7d
[03:29:37] <gastaldi> wow, lincoln is pumping the machine !
[03:31:00] <kenfinnigan> doesn't he always!
[03:31:06] <gastaldi> yeah
[03:31:15] <gastaldi> hehe
[03:34:11] <gastaldi> ramykamel: Maybe you told me but I forgot: did downgrading the JDK solved that ClassFormatError issue of yours ?
[03:34:55] <gastaldi> ah right, I see the log
[03:35:37] <ramykamel> It did.. I reverted back to u24 and it worked just fine
[03:35:55] <gastaldi> yeah, same issue as Weld
[03:36:06] <gastaldi> I remember that on seam-dev list
[03:36:19] <gastaldi> antoine_sd sent it if I am not mistaken
[03:36:19] <ramykamel> But I had to let go my Mac for that.. downgrading on Mac almost gave me a heart attack
[03:36:28] <gastaldi> lol
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[03:42:52] <johnament> sbryzak: you up?
[03:44:41] <jose_freitas> stuartdouglas, it's just an annotation, but would be nice to create everything from inside forge.
[03:45:02] <johnament> forge is the IDE
[03:45:16] <jose_freitas> it'd be awesome to right like new-ejb --stateless
[03:45:44] <jose_freitas> or new-ejb --stateful SESSION
[03:46:10] <jose_freitas> and there are the with local, remote and everything that could be simplified
[03:46:59] <jose_freitas> cdi bean is just an annotation and there's a plugin for it ;)
[03:47:57] <gastaldi> Is it ? :) Which one ?
[03:48:13] <jose_freitas> right/write
[03:49:08] <jose_freitas> beans new-bean
[03:49:22] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: would u mind opening an issue on JIRA for that ?
[03:49:51] <gastaldi> You are welcome to contribute also if you like
[03:49:57] <jose_freitas> sure thing
[03:50:05] <jose_freitas> but right now I have some other contributions in mind
[03:50:28] <jose_freitas> I'm getting in love with arquillian.
[03:51:02] <gastaldi> haha
[03:51:10] <gastaldi> Not hard falling in love
[03:51:16] <gastaldi> I already changed my wallpaper
[03:52:55] <gastaldi> Now I am waiting for JBoss AS7 Wallpaper
[03:53:10] <gastaldi> The F#$%cking fast logo
[03:53:23] <ramykamel> :)
[03:54:22] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 954b040.. Lincoln Baxter, III Updated Test Harness to enable verbosityosity by default, also updated ResourceEventGroomer Placeholder to prevent NPEs
[03:54:22] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/d26bb7d...954b040
[03:54:24] <gastaldi> johnament: Just invited rhauch to join our Seam Hack-a-ton
[03:54:51] <johnament> gastaldi: oh cool
[03:55:06] <johnament> gastaldi: sorry i had to head out, but what do you think we should focus on?
[03:55:34] <gastaldi> maybe the open issues
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[03:56:30] <gastaldi> How about we schedule each issue ?
[03:56:31] <jose_freitas> hey gastaldi are you going to be in floripa on hack day? cause we could meet and hack drinking some beer
[03:56:51] <gastaldi> let me check my agenda
[03:57:00] <gastaldi> ah, next week ?
[03:57:12] <jose_freitas> yeap
[03:57:13] 
[03:57:28] <gastaldi> Cool
[03:57:30] <jose_freitas> cool!
[03:57:44] <gastaldi> Shall we go to Bocarras ?
[03:57:48] <gastaldi> :)
[03:57:49] <jose_freitas> hahaha
[03:58:01] <gastaldi> hack from there
[03:58:04] <jose_freitas> I wouldn't be able to hack there
[03:58:11] <gastaldi> lol
[03:58:29] <johnament> like i said, there was 0 hacking going on during the judcon hackfest
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[03:59:56] <jose_freitas> I can code hard after some beers
[04:00:02] <johnament> so let's see, there's OCM (Mapping objects to JCR nodes), catch integration, security integration,
[04:00:07] <jose_freitas> well, not "some"
[04:00:13] <jose_freitas> maybe one or two cans
[04:00:36] <jose_freitas> well, I'm going to take some rest
[04:00:39] <johnament> and i was just thinking un or dos
[04:00:58] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[04:01:05] <jose_freitas> catch up later
[04:01:06] <jose_freitas> cya
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[04:01:38] <johnament> gastaldi: i wanted to do SEAMJCR-5 but without support for CDI enhanced entity listeners in persistence, it's not going to happen.
[04:01:39] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-5] EntityListeners [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-5
[04:02:02] <johnament> however, i know that it's being considered in persistence.
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[04:02:36] <johnament> errr
[04:02:38] <johnament> oh
[04:02:39] <jbossbot> git [core] push master ee2d89f.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed test
[04:02:39] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/954b040...ee2d89f
[04:02:52] <johnament> gegastaldi: i'll try that again.
[04:03:05] <johnament> so let's see, there's OCM (Mapping objects to JCR nodes), catch integration, security integration
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[04:03:17] <johnament> gastaldi: i wanted to do SEAMJCR-5 but without support for CDI enhanced entity listeners in persistence, it's not going to happen.
[04:03:17] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-5] EntityListeners [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-5
[04:03:52] <gegastaldi> un or dos ?
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[04:04:57] <johnament> one or two
[04:05:09] <johnament> beers
[04:05:16] <gastaldi> ah ! :D
[04:05:17] <gastaldi> hehe
[04:05:54] <gastaldi> Do you believe this is in scope of JCR ?
[04:06:32] <gastaldi> SEAMJCR-5 ?
[04:06:33] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-5] EntityListeners [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-5
[04:07:27] 
[04:08:19] <gastaldi> WDYT ?
[04:08:21] <johnament> gastaldi: no, the idea is that you load an entity using JPA
[04:08:54] <johnament> and we add a call back that looks up anything with an annotated UUID to load in memory a reference the JCR node
[04:10:00] 
[04:10:00] <gastaldi> I think I am too dumb
[04:10:00] <gastaldi> :)
[04:11:03] <gastaldi> So the idea is that only the UUID is persisted on JPA ?
[04:11:43] <gastaldi> I am still lost :(
[04:15:14] <gastaldi> I think SEAMJCR-12 may be considered solved
[04:15:15] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJCR-12] API for injecting Credentials [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJCR-12
[04:15:24] <gastaldi> As it is already integrated
[04:17:59] <johnament> gastaldi: correct
[04:18:14] <johnament> sorry my friend invited me to google+ so i had to look at it.
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[04:18:20] <johnament> anyone want an invite?
[04:18:27] <johnament> gegastaldi: stop losing internet :-)
[04:18:46] 
[04:19:35] <johnament> oh right, i remember that
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[04:20:48] <johnament> gastaldi: right now i remember
[04:20:55] <gastaldi> Cool
[04:21:06] <johnament> gastaldi: however, can we also do security integration?
[04:21:17] <gastaldi> I believe that could fit on another issue
[04:21:21] <gastaldi> wdyt ?
[04:22:35] <gastaldi> by security integration you mean Seam Security module integration right ?
[04:23:15] <johnament> yes
[04:23:24] <johnament> and yes
[04:23:34] <gastaldi> cool
[04:25:13] <gastaldi> mind if I close that issue ?
[04:25:40] <johnament> yeah i was surprised it was still open, which is why i was confused.
[04:25:52] <gastaldi> done
[04:26:42] 
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[04:26:51] <gastaldi> Maybe more will come
[04:27:02] <gastaldi> "If you build they will come"
[04:27:10] <gastaldi> :)
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[04:28:35] <johnament> JCR doesn't have a lot of difficulty to it.
[04:29:04] <johnament> we do bootstrapping, injection.
[04:29:11] <johnament> it's not like JMS that has a horrendous API
[04:29:19] <gastaldi> hehe
[04:29:44] <johnament> JMS itself was difficult to integrate with CDI btw, and we need the CDI 1.1 EG to help us fix it
[04:30:05] <gastaldi> cool
[04:30:19] <gastaldi> The hard stuff is to write the spec
[04:30:34] <gastaldi> No ambiguities must be provided
[04:32:20] <johnament> gastaldi: i need a fix for this issue: @Inject MessageProducer mp, @Inject TopicPublisher tp, @Inject QueueSender qs, where qs and tp extend mp.
[04:33:09] <gastaldi> humm
[04:33:53] <gastaldi> You could know that by the matching type
[04:35:28] <gastaldi> And also you could call the Connection methods for that
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[04:36:33] <gastaldi> man, what a fucked API :P
[04:36:55] <gastaldi> I curse the original EG for JMS 1.1
[04:39:00] <gastaldi> QueueSender and TopicPublisher should be deprecated on JMS 2.0
[04:39:13] <johnament> gastaldi: maybe
[04:39:27] <gastaldi> Same for the Consumer ones
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[04:40:36] <gastaldi> OK, gotta go now
[04:40:38] <gastaldi> see ya !
[04:41:01] <johnament> bye
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[16:34:08] <gastaldi> Heyo !
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[17:26:32] <bleathem> ping jose_freitas
[17:30:09] <jose_freitas> bleathem: pong
[17:30:38] <jose_freitas> about the inputContainer invalid state?
[17:31:45] <bleathem> hey jose, you bet
[17:31:49] <bleathem> SEAMFACES-47
[17:31:57] 
[17:32:03] <bleathem> Any ideas?
[17:33:33] <jose_freitas> not yet, I started digging it sometime ago
[17:33:37] <jose_freitas> it's a jsf problem
[17:33:45] <jose_freitas> I mean, a mojarra problem
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[17:33:50] <jose_freitas> and I still have no workaround
[17:34:03] <jose_freitas> I have to come back to this problem
[17:36:24] <jose_freitas> I have to test with the new version too
[17:36:31] <jose_freitas> mine is 2.1.1
[17:40:37] <jose_freitas> bleathem: one thing I've noticed, it's that it does not keep only invalid state, it keeps all the component state if there's no new assignments to the var.
[17:40:44] <jose_freitas> so, if there's no new value
[17:40:51] <jose_freitas> it keeps old ones
[17:41:02] <jose_freitas> so a field that has "foo" value
[17:41:06] <jose_freitas> if it recevies ""
[17:41:10] <jose_freitas> it keeps "foo"
[17:41:58] <jose_freitas> if invalid = true
[17:42:16] <jose_freitas> and on a next interation it does not receive nothing because it's not valid
[17:42:26] <jose_freitas> ops, because it's valid
[17:42:40] <bleathem> ugh
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[17:43:03] <jose_freitas> maybe the way I said is a little bit confusing
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[17:43:36] <jose_freitas> did you understand?
[17:44:00] <bleathem> I get it
[17:44:22] <bleathem> Is this something you have time to look at?
[17:44:28] <jose_freitas> if the component has invalid=true, then after not being invalid, it does not receive false. it simples doesn't receive a value. so it keeps true
[17:44:42] <jose_freitas> not now. I have a presentation on arquillian this saturday
[17:45:02] <jose_freitas> and I need some time to make it round enough
[17:45:10] <jose_freitas> there'll be live coding
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[17:45:43] <jose_freitas> next week I can work on this
[17:45:55] <bleathem> cool
[17:46:02] <bleathem> good luck with that presentation!
[17:46:06] <jose_freitas> thanks
[17:46:07] <jose_freitas> ;_
[17:46:13] <bleathem> live coding always needs a little luck :P
[17:46:19] <jose_freitas> yeah
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[17:52:45] <jose_freitas> ins't weird all this noise about jdk7 launch?
[17:53:02] <jose_freitas> openjdk released the first RC1 yesterday if I'm not mistaken
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[18:27:27] <gastaldi> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/events/java7/index.html
[18:27:36] <gastaldi> JDK 7 in Brazil :)
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[18:30:31] <Diablo-D3> not interested until a lawyer has audited the code and make sure oracle has not put posioned code in openjdk
[18:31:00] <Diablo-D3> until then, java 7 is not java and should not be referred to such
[18:31:20] <Diablo-D3> call it oracle dot net 7 or something
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[18:35:46] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 54da433.. Lincoln Baxter, III Improved default generated splash page
[18:35:46] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/ee2d89f...54da433
[18:38:05] <gastaldi> 7/7 : Java 7 launch
[18:38:35] <bleathem> shoulda been AS7 launch
[18:39:09] <gastaldi> yeah
[18:39:15] <gastaldi> much more awaited
[18:40:17] 
[18:41:04] <Diablo-D3> I hate oracle
[18:41:06] <Diablo-D3> so goddamned much
[18:50:46] <pmuir> gastaldi: we are delaying the launch to 7/7/7777
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[18:57:56] <lightguard_jp> emmanuel: ping
[18:58:30] <emmanuel> lightguard_jp: yes
[18:58:48] <lightguard_jp> emmanuel: What are you thinking of using Awestruct for?
[18:59:04] <emmanuel> http://goo.gl/5zE4V
[18:59:16] <emmanuel> Iw as using iWeb before but Apple killed the product
[18:59:38] <emmanuel> dan allen mentionned Awestruct for some asylum stuff and I got curious so I tried
[19:00:05] <lightguard_jp> Cool.
[19:01:42] <lightguard_jp> emmanuel: I like the current look, nice and clean
[19:01:44] <lightguard_jp> Simple
[19:05:12] <gastaldi> haha
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[19:06:22] <lincolnthree> hey aslak yt?
[19:08:25] <gastaldi> emmanuel: Cool site
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[19:31:56] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 4133c7e.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed tests until we can upgrade arquillian
[19:31:56] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/54da433...4133c7e
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[19:54:13] <bleathem> Anyone know what IRC channel Mike Brock usually hangs out on?
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[19:59:49] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: He's here most times
[19:59:53] <lightguard_jp> username cbrock
[20:00:02] <bleathem> k, thnaks
[20:02:09] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: you know much about errai?
[20:02:17] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Nothing
[20:02:26] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: mojavelinux knows a decent amount though
[20:03:35] <bleathem> mojavelinux is too easily my goto person for everything JBoss.  As such, I try and bug him as a last resort only...
[20:03:53] <bleathem> you're a close 2nd though lightguard_jp :P
[20:03:55] <lightguard_jp> Understandable
[20:04:04] <lightguard_jp> That has me a bit worried :)
[20:04:10] <bleathem> lol
[20:04:12] <mojavelinux> mike is usually here
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[21:00:27] <lightguard_jp> Bah, no Lincoln
[21:00:33] <lightguard_jp> rruss: ping
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[21:00:51] <rruss> lightguard_jp: pong
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[22:18:18] <ramykamel> Hello, Running Seam Forge from within Eclipse (using maven plugin) exits the Shell immediately.. any configuration I'm missing to make it run as normal?
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