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[00:26:30] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 77b6d17.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed bug with event bus re-ordering method parameters, which was causing invocation failures
[00:26:31] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 1b354c1.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge branch 'master' of github.com:forge/core
[00:26:31] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/b063237...1b354c1
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[00:29:58] <lincolnthree> I love watching the forge tests running maven builds within a maven build
[00:30:06] <lincolnthree> take that maven
[00:31:32] <lincolnthree> except i broke the build
[00:31:33] <lincolnthree> oh well
[00:31:34] <lincolnthree> tomorrow
[00:31:36] <lincolnthree> bye all
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[00:57:27] <lincolnthree> dammit, i broke the build, can't leave yet
[00:57:28] <lincolnthree> arg
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[01:02:07] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 8c69dc2.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed the build\!
[01:02:07] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/1b354c1...8c69dc2
[01:02:55] <lincolnthree> yay now i can leave
[01:02:57] <lincolnthree> goodnight :)
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[01:03:03] <bleathem> nite!
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[01:30:48] <gastaldi> Hey
[01:31:01] <gastaldi> Anyone here working on Forge ?
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[02:22:43] <johnament> sbryzak: ping
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[02:43:39] <johnament> we should try to convince twitter to switch to seam social and seam jms.
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[03:42:47] <jbossbot> git [jms] push master 8b18814.. John Ament SEAMJMS-46 Added support for configurable session, connection factory, moved all in to API.
[03:42:48] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJMS-46] Allow for a default session configuration [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJMS-46
[03:42:48] <jbossbot> git [jms] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/jms/compare/af615c0...8b18814
[03:48:28] <gastaldi> Anyone here ever upgraded to a plan on github ?
[03:52:30] <kenfinnigan> I haven't
[03:56:40] <johnament> doh.  stupid switch to no more combined JAR.  just ran into the missing beans.xml CDI bug.
[04:04:45] <gastaldi> johnament: Your API had no beans.xml ?
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[04:12:45] <gastaldi> ** crickets **
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[04:20:55] <bleathem> ping lightguard_jp
[04:24:21] <johnament> doh
[04:24:41] <johnament> bleathem: sell us some hats!
[04:24:58] <bleathem> not bad eh?
[04:26:08] <jbossbot> git [faces] push master 3f5139c.. Marek Schmidt SEAMFACES-181: shorty.ly example cleanup, get rid of hibernate-specific stuff, use eclipselink on GF, add as7 profile, unification of profile names with other modules
[04:26:09] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-181] short.ly example cleanup [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Task, Major, Marek Schmidt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-181
[04:26:09] <jbossbot> git [faces] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/faces/compare/86aa2e6...3f5139c
[04:26:43] <bleathem> git flow time for faces
[04:27:28] <johnament> pfft
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[04:28:44] <johnament> gastaldi: to answer your question, no, the API for seam jms for the longest time did nothing.
[04:28:53] <johnament> gastaldi: because i was always using the combined jar.
[04:33:43] <gastaldi> ok
[04:35:38] <johnament> hrrrrm now i see what QE did wrong.
[04:35:42] <johnament> finally.
[04:36:36] <bleathem> johnament: blasphemy!
[04:38:32] <gastaldi> haha
[04:39:07] <gastaldi> QE never misses anything
[04:41:25] <johnament> they didn't miss something, they just went through a really odd route to do something.
[04:41:40] <gastaldi> :)
[04:41:53] <johnament> and they tried firing a CDI event with JMS capabilities that included an entity that was participating in a JPA session... which was exploding.
[04:43:11] <gastaldi> yikes
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[04:48:27] <johnament> sbryzak: you around yet? :-)
[04:50:39] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Still around?
[04:50:43] <bleathem> yep
[04:51:04] <bleathem> doing the seam faces git flow "thing"
[04:51:34] <gastaldi> yaaaay
[04:51:47] <gastaldi> Seam remoting needs that also
[04:51:51] <lightguard_jp> Okay, what's the question?
[04:52:13] <bleathem> no question anymore
[04:52:16] <bleathem> thx tho
[04:52:48] <lightguard_jp> Okay, cool :)
[04:53:28] <jbossbot> git [faces] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/faces/compare/0000000...3f5139c
[04:55:06] <bleathem> should I have renamed master to develop, and created a new master?
[04:55:14] <bleathem> to be compatible with existing forks?
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[04:55:56] <bleathem> ping lightguard_jp (I have a question now)
[04:56:11] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Can you hold it for maybe 10 min? Wife needs me.
[04:56:17] <johnament> you forgot to raise your hand.
[04:56:17] <bleathem> sure thing
[04:56:31] <bleathem> bummed out that I take 2nd place to the wife tho
[04:57:30] <bleathem> johnament: has seam jms gone to git-flow yet?
[04:58:01] <johnament> bleathem: i don't even know what that is.
[04:58:16] <johnament> but it sounds like the same thing i got a stern talking to about with modeshape.
[04:58:28] <bleathem> johnament: you've been playing hookie at the seam community meetings lately :P
[04:58:56] <johnament> bleathem: as i've said before, don't schedule a meeting at 5pm east coast, we're all trying to get out of work.
[04:59:14] <johnament> or dealing with huge crisises
[04:59:21] <johnament> crises
[04:59:35] <bleathem> johnament: silly east coasters! move to a *real* time zone!
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[05:00:38] <johnament> i'll just move to australia, that'll screw everyone up
[05:01:32] <johnament> ok, let me see how much i remember about JSF before i close this issue.
[05:02:17] <johnament> is the seam taglib still applicable in seam faces 3.0?
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[05:03:13] <gastaldi> lol
[05:03:34] <johnament> bleathem: that one's probably to you btw
[05:04:37] <bleathem> johnament: sorry, was afk for a sec
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[05:05:41] <bleathem> johnament: you want to look at the seam-faces.taglib.xml for seam 3.0
[05:05:49] <bleathem> johnament: it's in impl
[05:05:57] <johnament> bleathem: so it does still exist?
[05:06:23] <bleathem> yes
[05:06:43] <bleathem> why?
[05:06:43] <lightguard_jp> Missing meetings isn't an excuse :P I send out the minutes for each meeting to the mailing list, which also has links to the full log :)
[05:06:59] <gastaldi> Yeah, lightguard_jp is right.
[05:07:16] <gastaldi> Blasphemy to the seam community ! :)
[05:07:17] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: I think the meeting minutes are inaccessible in EST
[05:07:24] <lightguard_jp> johnament: It's tough finding a time that works for everyone, I know :(
[05:07:33] <johnament> lightguard_jp: have you tried reading the notes on a mobile?
[05:07:33] <gastaldi> Haha
[05:07:34] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: haha
[05:07:52] <lightguard_jp> On a mobile, no. Too much scrolling?
[05:07:58] <johnament> maybe.
[05:08:12] <johnament> i read things and it says mojavelinux was assigned an item.
[05:08:14] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: if you are back... should I have renamed master to develop, and created a new master (to preserve exisiting forks) ?
[05:08:15] <johnament> what item??
[05:08:59] <gastaldi> bleathem: Just create a develop branch and change it on github as the default branch
[05:09:14] <bleathem> gastaldi: that's what I did, and doesn't answer my question :P
[05:09:29] <gastaldi> why not ?
[05:09:45] <bleathem> gastaldi: I'm curious about existing forks of the master branch
[05:09:53] <gastaldi> hum
[05:09:57] <bleathem> I want them to develop on the devlop branch moving forward
[05:10:01] 
[05:10:12] <gastaldi> I see what you mean
[05:10:13] <bleathem> gastaldi: curiosity killed the cat
[05:10:20] <johnament> sweet, seam-jms-twitter is working again.
[05:11:51] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: No, no need
[05:12:07] <lightguard_jp> When you push develop to github they'll both be in sync
[05:12:28] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: so I'll just merge to develop, and all will be ok
[05:12:31] <lightguard_jp> You may have to do some rebasing or cherry-picking to get things setup right for a couple of weeks of pull requests though.
[05:12:33] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: ogt it, thx
[05:12:48] <jbossbot> git [jms] push master 545c73d.. John Ament SEAMJMS-36 Fixed the status watcher example.  MIssed a few serializable APIs and cleaned up a bunch of design issues in the application.
[05:12:49] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJMS-36] jms-statuswatcher example broken [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Blocker, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJMS-36
[05:12:49] <jbossbot> git [jms] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/jms/compare/8b18814...545c73d
[05:12:49] <bleathem> ^s/ogt/got/
[05:12:52] <lightguard_jp> One of the beauties of git :)
[05:13:10] <gastaldi> I hate SVN since I started using GIT
[05:13:25] <bleathem> so it's as simple as "git flow init" and pushing the develop branch then?
[05:13:35] <gastaldi> And I used to love her, now I have to kill her
[05:13:42] 
[05:13:50] <bleathem> nice
[05:13:55] <bleathem> git flow FTW !!
[05:14:02] <gastaldi> Yaaay !
[05:14:41] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Yep, as long as you don't already have any branches, otherwise the init gets a little confused and you have tell it where things go (but the good news is init just adds some entries into .git/config)
[05:14:42] <johnament> bleathem: btw, next i have to get on tweetstream.  i may be hunting down jay.
[05:15:35] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: yeah, I noticed that.  I just deleted my (unecessary) local  branches
[05:15:35] <gastaldi> shoot, I am running a test on Forge and the bastard keeps checking the repository.jboss.org/maven2 repo
[05:15:41] <bleathem> johnament: why's that?
[05:15:52] <johnament> i don't remember where the code is :/
[05:16:04] <bleathem> what code? the richfaces code?
[05:16:21] <bleathem> github.com/richfaces
[05:16:25] <bleathem> brb
[05:16:26] <johnament> tweetstream
[05:16:37] <johnament> 1 issue left for JMS CR1.
[05:16:42] <johnament> and its just documentation
[05:19:30] <gastaldi> wow, just used "git stash" for the first time ever
[05:20:02] <gastaldi> cool feature
[05:21:58] <sbryzak> johnament: tomorrow is fine for seam jms release
[05:26:41] <bleathem> johnament: github.com/richfaces/tweetstream
[05:27:48] <bleathem> johnament: congrats on the imminent CR1 release?
[05:27:56] <bleathem> s/?/!/
[05:29:36] <gastaldi> anyone here who may help me on a Forge core code issue ?
[05:31:54] <bleathem> gastaldi: how did the Seam converter stuff work out?
[05:32:52] <gastaldi> bleathem: Got it aside for awhile :)
[05:33:04] <gastaldi> Still other priorities to work on
[05:33:19] <gastaldi> Still got
[05:33:20] <bleathem> gastaldi: where is the code right now?
[05:33:29] <bleathem> gastaldi: in your personal solder fork?
[05:33:33] 
[05:33:35] <gastaldi> Yup
[05:33:52] <gastaldi> Made some changes to it some time ago
[05:34:03] <gastaldi> I mean, since we last talked
[05:34:41] <gastaldi> https://github.com/gastaldi/solder/tree/feature%2Fconverter
[05:35:35] <gastaldi> https://github.com/gastaldi/solder/blob/feature%2Fconverter/impl/src/test/java/org/jboss/seam/solder/test/converter/ConverterTest.java is awesome
[05:35:40] <gastaldi> :)
[05:36:25] <bleathem> gastaldi: gotta love arquillina
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[05:38:39] <johnament> sbryzak: you woke up :-)
[05:38:51] <johnament> sbryzak: theres something else i have to bug you about.
[05:39:01] <gastaldi> I just need to figure out why Forge is looking for repository.jboss.org/maven2 :P
[05:39:12] 
[05:39:16] <gastaldi> :(
[05:39:45] <johnament> is it finding it through shrinkwrap's maven resolver?
[05:40:27] <johnament> sbryzak: i want to introduce minimodules in jms, to support bootstrapping various JMS impl's within a JMS environment.
[05:40:34] <johnament> errr within a SE environment
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[05:56:54] <lightguard_jp> I despise maven
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[07:32:28] <nickarls> jp: it's better than ant. sometimes ;-)
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[07:43:05] <lightguard_jp> nickarls: Still prefer gradle
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[15:15:20] <gastaldi> morning folks !
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[15:32:11] <gastaldi> kevinpollet: Hey !
[15:32:23] <kevinpollet> gastaldi: Hi
[15:32:40] <gastaldi> kevinpollet: Working on Forge ?
[15:32:54] <kevinpollet> yep
[15:32:58] <gastaldi> cool
[15:33:05] <gastaldi> Mind if I bother you with a question ?
[15:33:12] <kevinpollet> np
[15:33:51] <gastaldi> I am trying to fix SEAMFORGE-213
[15:33:53] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-213] Maven Dependency Facet hasDependency returns false for transitive dependencies [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-213
[15:35:43] <kevinpollet> ok
[15:36:27] <kevinpollet> gastaldi: I'm not sure I can help, but what is your question? :)
[15:36:59] <gastaldi> so I made a minor change on org.jboss.forge.maven.facets.MavenDependencyFacet.hasDependency(Dependency)
[15:37:18] <gastaldi> let me pastebin it
[15:37:28] <gastaldi> http://pastie.org/2172340
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[15:38:34] <gastaldi> the fact is, this code tried to fetch all the dependencies from the provided dependency, but tries to connect with repository.jboss.org/maven2 which is disabled and hidden somewhere
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[15:40:10] <kevinpollet> I have no idea
[15:40:36] <kevinpollet> but I don't think forge defines something about that
[15:40:53] <gastaldi> Well, there was an enum called KnownRepository with that
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[15:45:21] <kevinpollet> gastaldi: sorry ;)
[15:49:23] <gastaldi> nop
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[17:13:18] <gastaldi> hey
[17:13:24] <gastaldi> bleathem: Quick JSF 2.0 question
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[17:13:55] <gastaldi> :(
[17:14:07] <bleathem_mtg> gastaldi: ping me in 1 hour
[17:14:34] <bleathem_mtg> gastaldi: (sorry & thanks !!)
[17:14:38] <gastaldi> ok
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[18:10:59] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 033ce54.. Lincoln Baxter, III Removed docs from dist profile
[18:10:59] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/8c69dc2...033ce54
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[18:37:42] <bleathem> EAP is 100% open source, right?
[18:38:09] <bleathem> I'm pretty sure it is, I'm just checking before putting my foot in my mouth...
[18:38:25] <bleathem> anyone?
[18:39:23] <jamezp> bleathem: I'm not 100% sure how it works, but I know EAP is based on open source versions.
[18:39:52] <bleathem> I thought redhat on;y distributes open source stuff...
[18:40:00] <jamezp> Whether EAP is open source I don't know, but it uses the same code base. AFAIK if one gets fixed, so does the other.
[18:40:04] <bleathem> or is it that fedora is only open source bits
[18:40:18] <gastaldi> EAP is 100% open source
[18:40:45] 
[18:40:58] <bleathem> I've already tweeted it, so it better be!
[18:41:05] <bleathem> twitter = big foot in a big mouth
[18:41:11] <gastaldi> But you must have a subscription to access it
[18:41:23] <gastaldi> ahaha
[18:45:01] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 8e54f05.. George Gastaldi SEAMFORGE-244
[18:45:02] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-244] [mvn install failed] Test failure in forge-shell: java.io.FileNotFoundException for a temp test.txt in JavaExecutionPluginTest [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Bug, Major, George Gastaldi] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-244
[18:45:02] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 1b6156c.. George Gastaldi Merge pull request #41 from gastaldi/SEAMFORGE-244...
[18:45:02] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/033ce54...1b6156c
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[18:57:06] <lincolnthree> gastaldi:
[18:57:08] <lincolnthree> ping
[18:57:17] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: pong
[18:57:25] <lincolnthree> you broke the build on *nix
[18:57:39] <gastaldi> ah crap :(
[18:57:51] <lincolnthree> bad gastaldi
[18:57:52] <lincolnthree> bad
[18:57:53] <lincolnthree> :)
[18:57:56] <gastaldi> let me fix that ASAP
[18:57:59] <gastaldi> :(
[18:58:07] <lincolnthree> looks like test failures in the exec java tests
[18:58:13] <lincolnthree> im guessing we need to enhance the OS abstraction there
[18:58:21] <gastaldi> no doubt about it
[18:59:57] 
[19:00:07] <lincolnthree> yeah, that'll do i guess
[19:00:10] <lincolnthree> I hate windows so badly
[19:00:19] <gastaldi> :)
[19:00:26] <lincolnthree> thanks for looking at this
[19:02:06] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 871c7d6.. George Gastaldi SEAMFORGE-244: fixed broken build on *nix
[19:02:07] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-244] [mvn install failed] Test failure in forge-shell: java.io.FileNotFoundException for a temp test.txt in JavaExecutionPluginTest [Closed (Done) Bug, Major, George Gastaldi] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-244
[19:02:07] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/1b6156c...871c7d6
[19:02:09] <gastaldi> Thanks for warning me
[19:02:19] <gastaldi> Now I got a pointy hat :)
[19:02:22] <lincolnthree> np :) thanks for fixing
[19:02:34] <lincolnthree> i just got the CI builds up and running again
[19:02:38] <lincolnthree> for some reason they haven't been
[19:02:39] <gastaldi> cool
[19:02:40] <lincolnthree> not sure why
[19:03:24] <gastaldi> Hum, there is a test that is not passing in my env
[19:03:31] <lincolnthree> which?
[19:03:39] <gastaldi> testAbsolutePath(org.jboss.forge.shell.test.plugins.builtin.ChangeDirectoryPluginTest)
[19:03:46] <gastaldi> org.junit.ComparisonFailure: expected:</Users[/george.ELOSOFT_SC]> but was:</Users[]>
[19:03:52] <lincolnthree> hmm
[19:04:01] <gastaldi> My home folder is C:\Users\george.ELOSOFT_SC\
[19:06:23] <gastaldi> SEAMFORGE-245 :)
[19:06:24] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-245] [mvn install failed] Test failure in forge-shell: org.junit.ComparisonFailure: expected:</Users[/george.ELOSOFT_SC]> but was:</Users[]> [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-245
[19:11:22] <lincolnthree> now the hudson job is picking up changes :)
[19:11:30] <lincolnthree> i guess it just needed a reminder that we still had a project
[19:11:30] <lincolnthree> lol
[19:13:23] <gastaldi> lol
[19:14:04] <bleathem> lincolnthree: didn;t you ever play the game "kick the hudson" when you were a kid?
[19:15:50] <gastaldi> bleathem: A quick tip: When migrating an app from JSF 1.2 to JSF 2.1, which view-handler should I extend, since my current one is extending FacesViewHandler ?
[19:16:06] <gastaldi> FaceletsViewHandler
[19:16:35] <bleathem> hmmm... what are the viewhandler's available in JSF 2.1 again?
[19:17:07] <lincolnthree> bleathem: what do you mean?
[19:18:50] <gastaldi> bleathem: There is a com\sun\faces\application\ViewHandlerImpl only
[19:19:18] <lincolnthree> ViewHandler is an interface or abstract class
[19:19:29] <gastaldi> but is deprecated :)
[19:19:33] <lincolnthree> oh
[19:19:35] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Yeah
[19:19:36] <lincolnthree> MultiViewHandler
[19:19:49] <bleathem> lincolnthree: I was trying the lazy answer of not actually looking it up
[19:19:53] <bleathem> :P
[19:19:58] <gastaldi> haha
[19:19:59] <bleathem> lincolnthree: thanks for chiming in
[19:20:05] <lincolnthree> bleathem: here
[19:20:40] <lincolnthree> It's not deprecated?
[19:20:47] <gastaldi> com\sun\faces\application\ViewHandlerImpl is
[19:20:50] <lincolnthree> oh
[19:20:51] <lincolnthree> sure
[19:20:52] <gastaldi> Let me check
[19:20:54] <lincolnthree> don't reference the impls
[19:21:03] <lincolnthree> That's an impl class
[19:21:06] <lincolnthree> anything com.sun is bad
[19:21:07] <gastaldi> yeah, bad thing
[19:21:08] <lincolnthree> don't use it
[19:21:09] <lincolnthree> ever
[19:21:16] <gastaldi> I know, not my fault
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[19:36:51] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: ping
[19:36:57] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: pong
[19:37:46] <gastaldi> The test in SEAMFORGE-245 passes for me if I remove this line in org.jboss.forge.shell.test.plugins.builtin.ChangeDirectoryPluginTest.testAbsolutePath() : shell.execute("cd ~");
[19:37:47] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-245] [mvn install failed] Test failure in forge-shell: org.junit.ComparisonFailure: expected:</Users[/george.ELOSOFT_SC]> but was:</Users[]> [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-245
[19:38:16] <gastaldi> do you see any trouble on that ?
[19:38:20] <lincolnthree> yeah
[19:38:23] <jose_freitas> ~
[19:38:25] <lincolnthree> i think that's the whole point of the test
[19:38:28] <gastaldi> oh
[19:38:40] <jose_freitas> ~references to user root on linux
[19:38:51] 
[19:39:02] 
[19:39:52] 
[19:40:00] <lincolnthree> well
[19:40:05] <lincolnthree> it's still a problem that this breaks it
[19:40:10] <gastaldi> :)
[19:40:11] <lincolnthree> so I don't think it should be removed
[19:40:15] <gastaldi> Hail Windows :)
[19:40:22] <gastaldi> ok
[19:40:25] <lincolnthree> fix the problem, not the test ;)
[19:40:30] <gastaldi> no removing then
[19:40:30] <lincolnthree> unless the test is the problem
[19:40:32] <lincolnthree> in which case, it is not
[19:40:40] <lincolnthree> in this case*
[19:40:43] <gastaldi> k
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[19:44:07] <gastaldi> BTW, I removed the unecessary "for" in  ChangeDirectoryPlugin
[19:44:22] <gastaldi> Just replaced with  Resource<?> r = dirs[dirs.length-1];  :)
[19:44:50] <lincolnthree> hmmm
[19:44:57] <lincolnthree> dirs can be null
[19:45:18] <gastaldi> Well, that for is not testing that :)
[19:45:50] <lincolnthree> as a matter of fact
[19:45:54] <lincolnthree> i dont know why we are taking a list there
[19:45:55] <lincolnthree> at all
[19:46:03] <gastaldi> :) Neither do I
[19:46:09] <lincolnthree> just remove the array and make it singular
[19:46:10] <lincolnthree> test that
[19:46:14] <gastaldi> ok
[19:46:48] <gastaldi> yeah, tests passed OK
[19:46:54] <lincolnthree> awesome
[19:47:11] <gastaldi> just the last one is failing for me because of that issue :P
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[19:49:26] <gastaldi> ahhh I see what the problem is
[19:49:44] <gastaldi> My User home is in C:\ and I am running Forge on D:\
[19:50:03] <gastaldi> I believe there was an issue about that
[19:50:24] <gastaldi> SEAMFORGE-197
[19:50:25] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-197] Running git-plugin on Windows executes Maven on a different drive letter [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Minor, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-197
[19:51:06] <lincolnthree> ahh yes
[19:51:10] <lincolnthree> if you fix that? i'll owe you again
[19:51:11] <lincolnthree> bigtime
[19:51:13] <lincolnthree> that's a big issue
[19:51:17] <gastaldi> hehe
[19:51:21] <lincolnthree> lots of people have problems with that
[19:51:34] <gastaldi> yeah, blame microsoft
[19:51:54] <lincolnthree> need to add some kind of built-in forge translation for drive paths
[19:52:02] <gastaldi> hummm
[19:52:23] <gastaldi> msysgit uses /D/ to change to drive D:
[19:52:31] <gastaldi> cd /D/work/xyz
[19:52:37] <lincolnthree> that would work
[19:52:40] <lincolnthree> i'd be fine with that
[19:53:05] <gastaldi> ok, so just need to know where to change it :)
[19:53:51] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: ping
[19:53:59] <pmuir> hi li
[19:54:01] <pmuir> hi lightguard_jp
[19:55:02] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: Reading the email chain that was forwarded about git. Have we approached any of the people in the Fedora project that work for Red Hat (specifically on the kernel team)? I'm sure they'll also have some good insight about usage and ideas.
[19:55:47] <pmuir> not specifically about this panel discussion
[19:55:59] <pmuir> i think bob spoke to them a while back
[19:56:18] <lightguard_jp> Okay, just thinking they'd be a great resource we could tap into.
[19:56:30] <lightguard_jp> When is the call?
[19:56:37] <pmuir> next tuesday
[19:56:42] <pmuir> you should have a calendar invite from andy
[19:56:59] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I'll keep going down the emails and see if it's there
[19:57:21] <pmuir> it comes out on jboss-dev-all
[19:57:42] <pmuir> would you be happy to talk for 5 minutes on the various workflows in git?
[19:57:55] <pmuir> basically just outline the various ones in use by JBoss.org projects
[19:58:11] <pmuir> afaik that is basically the ones in progit + whatever gitflow is
[19:58:18] <lightguard_jp> Okay, sure.
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[19:59:09] <pmuir> great
[19:59:15] <pmuir> this bloody thing
[19:59:26] <pmuir> i got roped into doing and i have no idea what the objective actually is
[19:59:38] <lincolnthree> lol
[19:59:41] <pmuir> it all came about as "andy was struggling to use git when contributing to some project"
[19:59:43] <lincolnthree> sunds familiar
[19:59:49] <lincolnthree> +o
[19:59:55] <pmuir> but we can't actually have a panel discussion about that ;-)
[20:00:02] <lincolnthree> haha
[20:00:49] <lightguard_jp> lol
[20:01:02] <bleathem> who's andy?
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[20:02:29] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: May be a good time to look at GitHub:Firewall
[20:02:46] <pmuir> bleathem_pomodor: andy miller
[20:03:03] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Is it ok if I push those changes from ChangeDirectoryPlugin ?
[20:03:24] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: let me see
[20:03:40] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: mark n and i have discussed this in the past, and i can't speak for him but I think the consensus was using github itself is best due to the social aspect
[20:03:48] <pmuir> I will add that to the agenda for his segment
[20:04:03] <lightguard_jp> That makes sense
[20:04:22] <lightguard_jp> It's also one less thing he'd have to worry about keep up :)
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[20:06:55] <lincolnthree> pull request :)
[20:07:10] <gastaldi> https://github.com/forge/core/pull/42
[20:07:31] <gastaldi> there is another pull request on queue for Forge
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[20:08:04] <lincolnthree> the changes to directoryresource will cause problems
[20:08:16] <lincolnthree> I think
[20:08:17] <lincolnthree> 1 sec
[20:08:57] <gastaldi> humm, I doubt
[20:09:07] <lincolnthree> nm, looks good, but why change it?
[20:09:11] <lincolnthree> it works fine
[20:09:51] <gastaldi> String concat is not a good use :)
[20:10:07] <gastaldi> But, anyway
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[20:10:22] <lincolnthree> With the kinds of performance we see in forge, this is a drop in the bucket ;) but yes, you're technically right
[20:10:34] <gastaldi> I agree
[20:11:06] <gastaldi> Maven is the biggest performance problem in Forge from my PoV
[20:11:10] <lincolnthree> both can be merged
[20:11:18] <lincolnthree> well, I have a 50% performance boost for maven coming up
[20:11:24] <gastaldi> cool
[20:11:29] <gastaldi> Removing it ?  :)
[20:11:32] <lincolnthree> though I think it may break some builds - however, I have a plan for that
[20:11:33] <lincolnthree> heh no
[20:11:43] <lincolnthree> that would be a 100% performance boost
[20:11:50] <gastaldi> haha sure
[20:12:47] <lincolnthree> now starting the console is the biggest performance drain
[20:12:57] <lincolnthree> not mvn
[20:13:40] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 738b81a.. George Gastaldi Refactored ChangeDirectoryPlugin
[20:13:41] <jbossbot> git [core] push master edd688e.. George Gastaldi Merge pull request #42 from gastaldi/master...
[20:13:41] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/871c7d6...edd688e
[20:14:33] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 63752b9.. George Gastaldi Merge pull request #38 from kevinpollet/SEAMFORGE-233...
[20:14:34] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-233] Some Java EE plugins add invalid jboss-javaee-6 spec dependency [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Kevin Pollet] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-233
[20:14:34] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/edd688e...63752b9
[20:14:56] <gastaldi> Yayy !!
[20:17:38] <gastaldi> I am not happy with the "if" statement on org.jboss.forge.shell.test.plugins.builtin.ChangeDirectoryPluginTest.testAbsolutePath()
[20:18:00] <gastaldi> Is there any way to remove  that out ?
[20:18:23] <lincolnthree> not sure
[20:18:28] <lincolnthree> i didn't add that
[20:18:43] <gastaldi> :P
[20:18:55] <lincolnthree> i'd like to know why it checks for a space
[20:19:02] <lincolnthree> well
[20:19:03] <lincolnthree> i guess i know
[20:19:06] <lincolnthree> it's to use escapes
[20:19:07] <lincolnthree> quote
[20:19:08] <lincolnthree> but
[20:19:10] <gastaldi> hum
[20:19:14] <lincolnthree> why not just always quote
[20:19:18] <lincolnthree> odd
[20:19:24] <gastaldi> does it break on *nix ?
[20:20:13] <lincolnthree> works for me
[20:20:16] <lincolnthree> i'll change it here
[20:20:28] <lincolnthree> if yours works with just the else
[20:20:43] <lincolnthree>       shell.execute("cd '" + parentPath + "'");
[20:20:45] <lincolnthree> if that worksfor you
[20:20:51] <lincolnthree> i'll check in with my next commit
[20:22:30] <gastaldi> let me see
[20:22:49] 
[20:23:20] <gastaldi> but  should at least give me the same exception
[20:24:28] <lincolnthree> which issue?
[20:24:52] <gastaldi> SEAMFORGE-245
[20:24:53] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-245] [mvn install failed] Test failure in forge-shell: org.junit.ComparisonFailure: expected:</Users[/george.ELOSOFT_SC]> but was:</Users[]> [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-245
[20:24:53] <gastaldi> hum, it would be nice if we had Forge builds running on Windows and *nix machines
[20:26:28] <lincolnthree> we do
[20:26:51] <gastaldi> well, it gave me the same exception, I suppose it works on Windows also
[20:26:58] <gastaldi> hit it
[20:27:38] <lincolnthree> https://hudson.jboss.org/jenkins/view/Seam/job/Seam-Forge/
[20:27:43] <lincolnthree> https://hudson.jboss.org/jenkins/view/Seam/job/Seam-Forge-Windows/
[20:27:50] <lincolnthree> but like i said, they stopped running for some reason
[20:27:52] <lincolnthree> back up now though
[20:28:39] <gastaldi> ah cool
[20:28:44] <jose_freitas> hey guys, any tip on an app that records desktop ?
[20:28:56] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: Which one ?
[20:29:10] <jose_freitas> actually I never used.
[20:29:16] <gastaldi> ah
[20:29:17] <jose_freitas> dont know any
[20:29:20] <gastaldi> I use Jinx
[20:29:32] <gastaldi> wait
[20:29:44] <gastaldi> Jing
[20:31:19] <lincolnthree> i use screenflow
[20:32:03] <gastaldi> screenflow is for Mac only, I guess
[20:32:22] <jose_freitas> jing is for linux as well?
[20:32:26] <gastaldi> no
[20:32:27] <gastaldi> ah
[20:32:31] <jose_freitas> It seemed that is for windows and mac
[20:32:35] <gastaldi> There is a Windows version
[20:33:00] <gastaldi> Windows and Mac
[20:33:00] <gastaldi> yeah
[20:33:07] <gastaldi> sorry :P
[20:33:22] <gastaldi> What about http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ ?
[20:33:23] <lincolnthree> not many linux options in that arena
[20:33:29] <gastaldi> I used some time ago and it rocks
[20:33:42] <gastaldi> ANd there is a Linux version too
[20:34:47] <gastaldi> also you may export to Flash
[20:34:52] <gastaldi> with this tool
[20:35:00] <jose_freitas> hm
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[20:38:18] <jose_freitas> thanks
[20:38:51] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: What does the following code outputs to you in Linux ? http://pastie.org/2173703
[20:39:33] <gastaldi> In windows it outputs my drive letters
[20:40:35] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: http://seamframework.org/Community/SeamForgeNotStarting
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[20:41:05] <lightguard_jp> cbrock: ping
[20:42:14] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: It seems the class name is wrong
[20:42:21] <gastaldi> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class org.fusesource.jansi.internal.Kerne
[20:42:38] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: it's a windows bug that I believe is usually solved by deleting the .forge directory
[20:42:58] <gastaldi> Manifest issues ?
[20:43:00] <lightguard_jp> Okay, great. Please respond.
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[20:43:12] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: no
[20:43:16] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: I don't know if you watch the seam forums for forge stuff so was just sending it your way.
[20:45:11] <lincolnthree> If you feel so inclined, you can always bounce posts about Forge to the users-list
[20:45:14] <lincolnthree> those forums are for Seam 3
[20:45:16] <lincolnthree> not Forge :)
[20:46:30] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp is our Forum Moderator
[20:46:36] <gastaldi> http://seamframework.org/Community/CommunityRoles
[20:46:56] <gastaldi> A Jedi
[20:46:58] <gastaldi> :)
[20:47:41] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: Looks like you beat me to the post
[20:47:45] <lincolnthree> ;)
[20:48:17] <lincolnthree> the 'no' was an intentionally misleading bit of sarcasm
[20:48:25] <lincolnthree> "sorry"
[20:48:26] <lincolnthree> ;)
[20:49:11] <lincolnthree> Though we do need forums for Forge
[20:49:19] <lincolnthree> I'm not willing to use SFWK.org
[20:49:21] <gastaldi> oh, you forgot to blink ! :)
[20:49:24] <lightguard_jp> Don't blame you.
[20:49:33] <lincolnthree> And I'm not convinced I want to use magnolizilla.
[20:49:51] <lightguard_jp> We need a sarcasm mark, thought I saw something going around twitter a while ago about that
[20:50:30] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: http://disqus.com/ or http://intensedebate.com/
[20:51:49] <gastaldi> haha
[20:52:09] <lincolnthree> forge performance + 50%
[20:52:11] <lincolnthree> yay
[20:53:28] <gastaldi> pushed ?
[20:54:26] <lincolnthree> nope
[20:54:28] <lightguard_jp> Isn't there something in solder about injecting into non CDI managed beans?
[20:54:29] <lincolnthree> looks like CD is partly broken
[20:57:10] <lightguard_jp> Or was that your bean manager utils lincolnthree ?
[20:57:22] <lincolnthree> BeanManagerLocator
[20:57:29] <lincolnthree> oh
[20:57:30] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: I think I solved the Drive letter problem
[20:57:32] <lincolnthree> BeanManagerUtils
[20:57:32] <lincolnthree> yes
[20:57:39] <lightguard_jp> The one in faces?
[20:58:26] <lincolnthree> Use the one here:
[20:58:34] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: woot! tests passing?
[20:58:42] <gastaldi> yup
[20:59:17] <lincolnthree> https://github.com/ocpsoft/rewrite/blob/master/integration-cdi/src/main/java/com/ocpsoft/rewrite/cdi/BeanManagerUtils.java
[20:59:25] 
[20:59:32] <lincolnthree> jose_freitas: both
[20:59:57] <gastaldi> although I think it may not work on Linux :P
[21:00:10] <lincolnthree> osUtils is your best friend
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[21:03:59] <gastaldi> OMG, now I can use "cd D:\" and it works :P
[21:04:08] <lincolnthree> nice :)
[21:04:12] <lincolnthree> !!!
[21:04:16] <gastaldi> yeaah
[21:05:40] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: are you running all of the tests before you submit changes?
[21:05:59] <gastaldi> running now
[21:06:07] <lincolnthree> because there are some failures ;)
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[21:08:42] <lincolnthree> unless i did that...
[21:08:43] <lincolnthree> heh
[21:09:25] <lincolnthree> nope it was you ;)
[21:09:40] <lincolnthree> that being said
[21:09:46] <lincolnthree> i have no idea why CDPlugin fails now
[21:10:08] <gastaldi> testCDintoProjectRegistersFacets(org.jboss.forge.maven.services.ProjectFactoryTest)
[21:10:16] <lincolnthree> yea
[21:10:20] 
[21:10:28] <gastaldi> it failed for me on ChangeDirectoryPluginTest
[21:11:35] <gastaldi> org.jboss.weld.context.ContextNotActiveException: WELD-001303 No active contexts for scope type org.jboss.forge.shell.project.ProjectScoped
[21:11:48] <gastaldi> What the heck is that ? :P
[21:11:54] <lincolnthree> There's no project
[21:12:05] <lincolnthree> CD is never returning to the proper directory
[21:14:45] 
[21:15:02] <lincolnthree> :)
[21:15:10] <gastaldi> (sarcasm icon) :)
[21:15:15] <lincolnthree> It shouldn't have, but it looks like it revealed another issue
[21:17:16] <lincolnthree> I see why
[21:17:18] <lincolnthree> ***INFO*** Swallowed unknown token [-] for command [cd].
[21:17:50] <gastaldi> hum
[21:19:13] <bleathem> is there a rule of thumb for whether or not you should add you name as an author of a source file?
[21:19:28] <lincolnthree> if you change it enough that you think it's worth adding it
[21:19:30] <bleathem> should the change be sufficiently complex to justify adding your name?
[21:19:52] <gastaldi> define complex
[21:20:03] <bleathem> lincolnthree: yeah, that's what I've gone by up until now
[21:20:16] <bleathem> gastaldi: that's the gyst of the question really
[21:20:19] <gastaldi> :)
[21:20:21] <lincolnthree> just make sure you add under the original name
[21:20:23] <lincolnthree> not above :)
[21:20:41] <bleathem> at what point have you changed it enough to warrant adding your name
[21:20:50] <bleathem> lincolnthree: ah, I didn't know that - good tip!
[21:20:55] 
[21:20:55] <lincolnthree> i sometimes do for 1 liners
[21:22:45] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: are you sure that's all that's required?
[21:22:51] <lincolnthree> oh
[21:22:53] <lincolnthree> i guess it would be
[21:22:54] <lincolnthree> hum
[21:22:58] <lincolnthree> hummmmm
[21:23:26] <lincolnthree> nice fi
[21:23:28] <lincolnthree> x
[21:24:47] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: thanks
[21:26:44] <bleathem> ping daniel_hinojosa
[21:33:46] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Any thoughts on the pull request ?
[21:34:00] <lincolnthree> looks good, go for it
[21:34:07] <lincolnthree> i'll test it out once i get my stuff working here
[21:34:09] <jbossbot> git [core] push master b926cd3.. George Gastaldi SEAMFORGE-245: Fixed drive letter problems on Windows
[21:34:10] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-245] [mvn install failed] Test failure in forge-shell: org.junit.ComparisonFailure: expected:</Users[/george.ELOSOFT_SC]> but was:</Users[]> [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-245
[21:34:10] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 87826ad.. George Gastaldi Merge pull request #43 from gastaldi/master...
[21:34:10] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/63752b9...87826ad
[21:34:11] <gastaldi> yaaaaaay
[21:34:18] <gastaldi> merge monter
[21:34:20] <gastaldi> monster
[21:35:01] <gastaldi> say, why not use git-flow in Forge core ?
[21:35:04] <lincolnthree> I just think that when merging your own changes, continue to ask me :) that way we always have 2 sets of eyes looking at a change
[21:35:13] <lincolnthree> never looked in to git flow
[21:35:15] <gastaldi> of course
[21:35:31] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp is our git-flow evangelizer
[21:36:12] <gastaldi> It saved us from the darkness of bare git :)
[21:36:59] <gastaldi> lincolnthree: Check this out: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
[21:37:26] <gastaldi> I wonder if the pull-request concept applies to Github only
[21:37:27] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Lincoln won't like the merges ;)
[21:37:32] <gastaldi> ah yeah
[21:37:40] <gastaldi> forgot that :)
[21:37:58] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: Try to release his soul
[21:38:21] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Yes, pull-requests are github specific. It's really a nicer interface over sending an email asking someone to pull or sending a patch.
[21:38:32] <gastaldi> cool
[21:38:50] <gastaldi> That should be part of Git core somehow :)
[21:39:02] <aslak> it is
[21:39:08] <aslak> :)
[21:39:11] <gastaldi> aslak: is it ?
[21:39:26] <gastaldi> You may create pull-requests using git only?
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[21:40:28] <aslak> git request-pull
[21:40:58] <gastaldi> holy crap
[21:41:04] 
[21:41:22] <lincolnthree> yaeh it sends mail afaik
[21:41:26] <aslak> yea
[21:41:56] <aslak> or can be combined with.. github takes the same concept and applies it to web / centralized hub
[21:42:05] <gastaldi> cool
[21:42:12] <gastaldi> living and learning.
[21:45:01] <aslak>  git request-pull origin/master myfork | send repoowver at ba dot com -s "please pull" ... ish
[21:45:02] <aslak> :)
[21:45:16] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Yeah, nearly everything in github is a prettier face over what's there in git-core
[21:45:34] <lightguard_jp> aslak: Doesn't it send the email too?
[21:45:54] <aslak> no, request-pull only prints out the summary
[21:45:55] <lightguard_jp> Guess not
[21:46:02] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, just did the help on it.
[21:48:55] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: fixed that issue with CD
[21:49:05] <lincolnthree> gastaldi: was a bug in the OrderedValueOptionParser
[21:49:15] <lincolnthree> parsing this stuff is incredibly complex
[21:50:28] <gastaldi> cool
[21:52:21] <gastaldi> hah ! if (!currentToken.startsWith("-"))
[21:52:29] 
[21:52:37] <lincolnthree> there'sa  good reason for that
[21:53:15] <lincolnthree> it just doesn't take into account the fact that it's possible to have values that start with -
[21:53:22] <gastaldi> humm
[21:53:28] <lincolnthree> which is why i've changed it to do what OrderedValueVarargsOptionParser does
[21:53:43] <lincolnthree> and check to see if there's an option with a name equal to the current token
[21:53:44] <gastaldi> if (lastToken.startsWith("-") && command.hasOption(lastToken.replaceAll("^--?", "")))
[21:53:54] <gastaldi> yeah, complex indeed
[21:53:55] <lincolnthree> yep
[21:54:06] <lincolnthree> however, fixing that broke some other tests ><
[21:54:06] <lincolnthree> so
[21:54:09] <lincolnthree> back to the grind
[21:54:17] <gastaldi> yay ! :)
[21:54:28] <gastaldi> Tests are such a loving feature
[21:54:30] <gastaldi> :)
[21:54:50] 
[21:54:52] <daniel_hinojosa> bleathem: ping
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[22:15:53] <gastaldi> bleathem is cooking ?
[22:15:55] <gastaldi> :)
[22:16:26] <gastaldi> wonder if JSF 2.1 Mojarra or MyFaces runs smoothly on Tomcat 7
[22:16:30] <gastaldi> Anyone ?
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[22:28:46] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: I think the primefaces showcase runs on tomcat with Mojarra 2.1
[22:29:13] <gastaldi> cool, Tomcat 7 ?
[22:33:36] <antoine_sd> hi all
[22:33:42] <lightguard_jp> The primefaces 3.0.M3-SNAPSHOT is running on Tomcat w/ Mojarra 2.1.1
[22:34:16] <lightguard_jp> Apache-Coyote/1.1 Not sure if that's 7 or not though
[22:36:02] <gastaldi> ok
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[22:49:36] <bleathem> daniel_hinojosa: focus booster rocks!
[22:49:54] <bleathem> daniel_hinojosa: I love the slider indicator, you don't have to think to see how much time is left in your pmodoro
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[22:54:57] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 7a8e84f.. Lincoln Baxter, III Startup performance boost ~50%, fixed some bugs and inconsistencies with parsing/completion
[22:54:58] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 6774748.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge branch 'master' of github.com:forge/core
[22:54:58] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/87826ad...6774748
[22:56:23] <lightguard_jp> Hey all
[22:56:33] <kenfinnigan> hey
[22:56:35] <lightguard_jp> We'll wait just a bit for a couple other people to get here
[22:56:49] <lincolnthree> hey kenfinnigan
[22:57:00] <kenfinnigan> hey lincolnthree
[22:57:05] <kenfinnigan> how goes it?
[22:57:25] <antoine_sd> Hi team
[22:57:39] <clerum> I'm here
[22:58:13] <bleathem> Here I am
[22:58:14] <lightguard_jp> clerum: Nice to see you here
[22:58:20] <clerum> nice to be around
[22:58:46] <lincolnthree> clerum: haven't seen you in a while: )
[22:59:07] <clerum> yep my free time seems to go in waves
[23:02:03] <lightguard_jp> Shall we get started?
[23:02:09] <lightguard_jp> #startmeeting
[23:02:09] <jbott> Meeting started Wed Jul  6 21:05:58 2011 UTC.  The chair is lightguard_jp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
[23:02:09] <jbott> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
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[23:02:17] <lightguard_jp> #chair mojavelinux
[23:02:17] <jbott> Current chairs: lightguard_jp mojavelinux
[23:02:19] <bleathem> just in the nick of time
[23:02:27] <mojavelinux> :)
[23:02:34] <lightguard_jp> Thanks again for everyone here.
[23:02:49] <lightguard_jp> For those of us in the US, hope you had a great Independence Day!
[23:03:19] <bleathem> For those of us in Canada, hope you had a great Canada Day (July 1st)
[23:04:01] <lightguard_jp> Sorry, not up on all the non US holidays. I should probably fix that :)
[23:04:06] <jose_freitas> and for those in brazil hope you had a nice weekend. ;)
[23:04:37] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: no worries! your international team will fill in the missing bits for you :P
[23:04:52] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Fair enough :)
[23:05:26] <lightguard_jp> To start, of course, we have Action Items to follow-up with
[23:05:35] <lightguard_jp> #topic Follow up on last meeting's action items
[23:05:35] *** jbott changes topic to "Follow up on last meeting's action items"
[23:06:09] <lightguard_jp> #info I've spoken with bleathem about updating the pages, he feels like he'll be able to get those done by ~ next week
[23:06:27] <lightguard_jp> #info I also updated Solder to use Git Flow during last week's meeting
[23:06:36] <mojavelinux> awesome
[23:06:48] <kenfinnigan> cool
[23:06:59] <bleathem> that's not quite what I said, but ok
[23:07:28] <lightguard_jp> Ken and I have been talking about the AS7 testing, I included the dev list on the last email. I hope everyone reads that. I think it'll be an ongoing discussion for another week maybe getting everything setup
[23:07:36] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: Does that work?
[23:07:38] <lincolnthree> lol @ bleathem
[23:07:57] <bleathem> If I can do it quickly, I'll do it
[23:08:02] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: I've slept since I last asked, can't be help accountable :)
[23:08:26] <bleathem> I'll have a go at it this week
[23:08:34] <lightguard_jp> #info if bleathem isn't able to get the pages updated quickly one of the other core devs will take it.
[23:08:35] <mojavelinux> yes, the as 7 testing e-mail is critical, because it's very much going to align the dev process for all the modules
[23:09:03] * bleathem is finally squashing RichFaces issues, and it feels good!
[23:09:07] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: For those not following the email, could you give a quick digest of your ideas?
[23:09:32] <kenfinnigan> basically taking some pieces from seam persistence and as7 structures
[23:10:00] <kenfinnigan> idea being that all "proper" unit tests that don't require containers remain within their respective api/impl locations
[23:10:12] <kenfinnigan> then for everything else of the main module directory there is testsuite
[23:10:37] <kenfinnigan> within that there would be modules such as api, internals (impl tests), smoke, benchmark, stress, cluster, etc
[23:10:53] <kenfinnigan> pretty much a module for whatever kind of test is appropriate for a given module
[23:11:02] <bleathem> anyone know when we will get another JSFUnit beta release? Seam Faces has been waiting for that for a while
[23:11:19] <jose_freitas> true
[23:11:26] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: I spoke to Stan, he said it's on his todo after the AS7 release
[23:11:28] <kenfinnigan> my thoughts are that smoke would include wider feature testing and possibly cross module testing
[23:11:36] <kenfinnigan> as opposed to what internals would contain
[23:11:46] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: He usually hangs out in #jboss-as7 if you'd like to talk to him directly.
[23:11:48] <kenfinnigan> the big question at the moment is containers by profile or module
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[23:12:12] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: what's his IRC handle?
[23:12:15] <jbossbot> git [jms] push master 335504b.. John Ament SEAMJMS-33 Cleaned up some documentation.
[23:12:16] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMJMS-33] Misc documentation issues [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Minor, John Ament] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMJMS-33
[23:12:16] <jbossbot> git [jms] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/jms/compare/545c73d...335504b
[23:12:18] <lightguard_jp> johnament: glad you could make it
[23:12:26] <johnament> pure glamor
[23:12:27] <mojavelinux> bleathem: feel free to get involved with JSFUnit, you can make the case being on the RichFaces team
[23:12:40] <mojavelinux> that project needs more encouragement, even if just to release it once a century
[23:12:52] <bleathem> mojavelinux: I'd love to!
[23:13:07] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: I'll give it to you after the meeting, it's just his first and last name together.
[23:13:31] <johnament> like johnament or kenfinnigan ?
[23:13:46] <mojavelinux> i'd mention it to jay and wesley....and aslak also knows about some issues in the Arquillian extension to use assertion callbacks inside the lifecycle where scopes are still active
[23:13:51] <lightguard_jp> The idea for containers as modules instead of profiles is my idea from trying this in Catch.
[23:14:28] <mojavelinux> that does lead to a lot of modules, though
[23:14:31] <kenfinnigan> how different have you found the module content by container?
[23:14:33] * bleathem is glad there is no shortage of work to go around...!
[23:14:53] <bleathem> I like the way Seam Persistence has it's tests set up
[23:14:58] <lightguard_jp> In catch I've found that I could use a base module for tests and include those and add some for each container where needed
[23:14:59] <mojavelinux> perhaps we could meet half way and have a module per container vendor, such as glassfish, jboss, etc
[23:15:15] <lightguard_jp> eg deployment exceptions which are impl details :(
[23:15:19] <johnament> module for what exactly?
[23:15:21] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: that sounds like how persistence has it set up
[23:15:30] <kenfinnigan> good thought, I'd be concerned with creating up to 20 modules to cater for different containers
[23:15:49] <mojavelinux> mostly, you need differences in tests because different containers do things different ways
[23:15:58] <mojavelinux> but remote and embedded glassfish will be mostly the same, close enough at least
[23:16:02] <mojavelinux> etc
[23:16:04] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: Things may differ for AS6/7 for example, but perhaps not.
[23:16:15] <mojavelinux> there is no testing for AS 6, it's dead :)
[23:16:20] <lightguard_jp> Yes, it is a bit of a concern
[23:16:20] <mojavelinux> but yes, for AS 5
[23:17:05] <kenfinnigan> lightguard_jp: with module by container, how would you see cluster tests being run?
[23:17:15] <kenfinnigan> in a separate module for them or in a container module?
[23:17:18] <lightguard_jp> We can toss around further ideas on the mailing list, this just gets the discussion going.
[23:17:27] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Haven't thought about those yet.
[23:17:28] <johnament> Are we talking about team hacking? My screen says 17:22...
[23:17:40] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[23:17:44] <lightguard_jp> johnament: We started about 5 min late
[23:17:45] <kenfinnigan> we're kind of off agenda at the moment
[23:17:52] <lightguard_jp> Still on action items
[23:17:59] <johnament> Ok, that explains why I didn't see anything about modules in the agenda
[23:18:22] <lightguard_jp> I'd like to move this discussion to the mailing list to (hopefully) get other ideas as well.
[23:18:28] <mojavelinux> yep
[23:18:40] <lightguard_jp> But this is certainly something we're going to put some thought into and get it right
[23:18:42] <kenfinnigan> if anyone has good thoughts/ideas, please do respond to the mail lightguard_jp sent earlier
[23:18:45] <lightguard_jp> Or as close to right as we can :)
[23:19:07] <lightguard_jp> #info testing discussion on the mailing list, please respond with thoughts.
[23:19:15] <kenfinnigan> we want to nail this as close to when AS7 is available to prevent further disparity
[23:19:23] <kenfinnigan> especially with future seam releases just around the corner
[23:19:48] <lightguard_jp> I'd hope to have this in place for Seam 3.1 Alpha or Beta or whatever we call the first release
[23:19:52] <johnament> jose_freitas: you owe me a blog post :/
[23:20:05] <kenfinnigan> if not earlier, agreed
[23:20:10] <lightguard_jp> #topic Git flow follow up
[23:20:10] *** jbott changes topic to "Git flow follow up"
[23:20:16] <jose_freitas> oh yes, I'm finishing, but I have a presentation to finish first
[23:20:22] <jose_freitas> sorry for messing up my deadlines
[23:20:32] <lightguard_jp> I'll be going through the modules and moving modules over to git flow over the next day or two
[23:20:32] <jose_freitas> I'll make a presentation on arquillian this saturday
[23:20:33] <johnament> jose_freitas: :-) thank you for the assist regardless
[23:20:44] <jose_freitas> but I'll ping you as soon as I have my post
[23:20:44] <bleathem> #info Seam Faces has made the move to git-flow
[23:20:46] <lightguard_jp> I'd appreciate it if leads could get to it before I do :)
[23:21:13] <johnament> #info Formal request to postpone conversion for Seam JMS until post CR1 (sometime in the next 24 hours)
[23:21:15] <lightguard_jp> All of those modules that are currently using git flow could you please add an #info?
[23:21:27] <lightguard_jp> johnament: That's fine
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[23:21:54] <johnament> jose_freitas: good luck on your presentation, and thanks for the help.
[23:21:55] <lightguard_jp> #info Catch is on git flow
[23:22:02] <jose_freitas> np ;)
[23:22:12] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Might I use some of your time to help with this?
[23:22:29] <gastaldi> Arrived now, sorry was afk
[23:22:38] <jose_freitas> omg! gastaldi was afk
[23:22:42] <gastaldi> :)
[23:22:55] <lightguard_jp> We're talking about the git flow conversion, asked for an #info for modules currently setup
[23:23:03] <lightguard_jp> #info Solder is on git flow
[23:23:11] <gastaldi> ah ok
[23:23:23] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Looking to see if I can use some of your time to help with the conversions. Delegate out some modules
[23:24:26] <gastaldi> Ok, count me in
[23:24:32] <bleathem> And the community integrator steps up!
[23:24:37] <gastaldi> yay ! :D
[23:25:05] <lightguard_jp> #info lightguard_jp and gastaldi will complete git-flow conversions
[23:25:12] <gastaldi> yeah !!!
[23:25:15] <lightguard_jp> I'm thinking having them done by Monday or Tuesday
[23:25:20] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: That work for you?
[23:25:26] <gastaldi> I think so
[23:25:30] <lightguard_jp> For everyone else as well?
[23:25:37] <gastaldi> we need to check which modules are missing
[23:25:41] <lightguard_jp> Yeah
[23:25:44] <lightguard_jp> I'll get that list
[23:25:47] <gastaldi> cool
[23:25:49] <kenfinnigan> i18n is already done, so I'm good
[23:25:57] <johnament> How do you tell if your module already has it?
[23:25:59] <lightguard_jp> #info i18n is on git flow
[23:26:01] <gastaldi> Reports and JCR also, so thats another one out
[23:26:06] <gastaldi> another two
[23:26:14] * gastaldi needs to learn how to count
[23:26:16] <lightguard_jp> #info reports and jcr are on git flow
[23:26:21] <bleathem> how can you tell if a module is converted already? Just check for the "develop" branch?
[23:26:27] <lightguard_jp> johnament: the setup is local
[23:26:30] <gastaldi> I suppose so
[23:26:39] <johnament> I don't get it
[23:26:46] <lightguard_jp> But on github you'll need a develop branch that stays ahead of master and is the default branch in the admin section.
[23:27:05] <lightguard_jp> johnament: Ping me after the meeting or via email and I'll get you up to date
[23:27:14] <bleathem> johnament: all git flow changes are actually local config changes
[23:27:23] <gastaldi> well, the branches of course will be the same initially
[23:27:42] <lightguard_jp> Right, the only thing that changes on github are the branches and the default branch.
[23:27:45] <gastaldi> the develop and master of the unholy modules
[23:27:47] <johnament> Well, but doesn't that mean that I have a local branch SEAMJCR-XY that only has changes for that issue?
[23:27:56] <johnament> is it that flow or something else?
[23:28:05] <lightguard_jp> johnament: I'll fill you in :)
[23:28:06] <gastaldi> johnament: Yes, you still have that
[23:28:18] <gastaldi> but in a standard way :)
[23:28:31] 
[23:28:36] <johnament> so then why do I see in JCR merged from gastaldi/develop instead of gastaldi/SEAMJCR-XY ?
[23:28:47] <lightguard_jp> Side note, has everyone voted for the DWG?
[23:28:53] <johnament> What's a DWG?
[23:28:58] <jose_freitas> bleathem: would be difficult to merge the test project on the project after git flow?
[23:29:12] <bleathem> bleathem: that's a perfect use case
[23:29:19] <gastaldi> lol johnament were you  in a cave ?
[23:29:20] <gastaldi> :)
[23:29:24] <bleathem> git flow feature bulich or something
[23:29:27] <johnament> gastaldi: no, beach
[23:29:28] <kenfinnigan> you messaging yourself now bleathem?
[23:29:32] <gastaldi> ah that explains
[23:29:34] <bleathem> s/bulich/publish/
[23:29:40] <lightguard_jp> https://www.doodle.com/ya3af6gk6f8s4ink for those who have not voted
[23:29:43] <bleathem> lol
[23:29:50] <bleathem> jose_freitas: that's a perfect use case!
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[23:30:19] <gastaldi> Hum, I think I voted again :)
[23:31:11] <bleathem> johnament: feature/issue branches are optinal, usually only used for longer term iterations
[23:31:13] <jose_freitas> I'mn not your concious bleathem :)
[23:31:19] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Just deleted your second vote
[23:31:24] <gastaldi> ok
[23:31:25] <gastaldi> thanks
[23:31:28] <bleathem> johnament: quick fixes are done on develop
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[23:31:59] <johnament> gastaldi: did you at least vote for the same person both times?
[23:32:04] <lightguard_jp> I'm going to keep moving on with the agenda so we don't go over.
[23:32:06] <gastaldi> johnament: Of course :)
[23:32:09] <lightguard_jp> johnament: Yes he did
[23:32:14] <lightguard_jp> #topic Team Hacking
[23:32:25] *** jbott changes topic to "Team Hacking"
[23:32:26] <johnament> so DWG is responsible for moving people from seam 2 to seam 3?
[23:32:53] <lightguard_jp> This Team Hacking idea is somewhat of a combination of some other ideas we've tossed around
[23:33:07] <gastaldi> Like a Jedi council
[23:33:24] <lightguard_jp> What I envision this being is a hacking day / night where we all get together and focus on one module. Fix bugs, new features, tests, etc.
[23:33:32] <gastaldi> cool
[23:33:45] <kenfinnigan> sounds good
[23:33:45] <gastaldi> this is awesome
[23:33:52] <lightguard_jp> We'd do it on a fixed time like every second Friday of the month or something
[23:33:54] <kenfinnigan> like a remote judcon hackathon?
[23:33:56] <lightguard_jp> So we're all together
[23:34:02] <lightguard_jp> kenfinnigan: Yep
[23:34:08] <jose_freitas> DWG stands for Design working group if I'm not mistaken
[23:34:14] <johnament> kenfinnigan: well, except not much hacking happened during judcon :-)
[23:34:14] <gastaldi> hum... Friday is not a goot time for me. Maybe we could vote ? :)
[23:34:22] <kenfinnigan> johnament: true
[23:34:29] <lightguard_jp> Doing it once a month should give people enough time to get somewhat familiar with the module we'll be helping and still have time to work on their own module(s).
[23:34:38] <kenfinnigan> though we can still consume beer during it!
[23:34:41] <lightguard_jp> Sure, I'm good with a vote
[23:34:45] <gastaldi> yaaay ! :)
[23:34:55] <johnament> is this going to be something like when we all worked on various modules right before the seam 3 release?
[23:34:56] <bleathem> I'm good with beer :P
[23:35:01] <lightguard_jp> #info What I envision this being is a hacking day / night where we all get together and focus on one module. Fix bugs, new features, tests, etc.
[23:35:07] <lightguard_jp> Sorry, forgot the tag before
[23:35:22] <kenfinnigan> johnament: I think so, but not necessarily bug focused
[23:35:22] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: Can you mail bleathem a beer?
[23:35:31] <jose_freitas> awesome idea on team hacking
[23:35:45] <mojavelinux> yes, I tell him what to pour into his github glass :)
[23:35:53] <bleathem> :D
[23:35:57] <lightguard_jp> We had great community involvement just before the 3.0.0.Final release, but it's died somewhat
[23:36:02] <lightguard_jp> I want to bring that back
[23:36:10] <kenfinnigan> I'll be putting something special into my github glass one of these nights!
[23:36:17] <lightguard_jp> This idea is a way to do that again and keep things moving.
[23:36:34] <lightguard_jp> #info this will keep modules moving, keep the community involved and keep releases flowing
[23:36:35] <bleathem> kenfinnigan: a little "sum'thin sum'thin" perhaps?
[23:36:53] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: +1 it's a fantastic idea!
[23:37:10] <johnament> kenfinnigan: i put in a few features in solder.  havent' you noticed that log message that prints out everytime it starts up? :-)
[23:37:29] <lightguard_jp> How long would you all want this to go? An hour, have it be a day thing with people coming and going? Something else?
[23:37:35] <kenfinnigan> I never look at logs! ;-)
[23:37:42] <lightguard_jp> I'm very open to crafting this how the community wants it.
[23:37:53] 
[23:37:59] <gastaldi> A week would be great also
[23:38:00] <gastaldi> :)
[23:38:07] <gastaldi> A whole hacking week
[23:38:13] <mojavelinux> an hour is probably too short, but it should not be an all in, the whole time kind of thing
[23:38:15] <mojavelinux> more rolling
[23:38:21] <mojavelinux> perhaps like a 3 - 4 hour rolling block
[23:38:28] <kenfinnigan> mojavelinux: like that
[23:38:28] <mojavelinux> a night of seam
[23:38:31] <johnament> lightguard_jp: my vote would be one day a month, rolling to support people in different timezones
[23:38:34] <gastaldi> yeah, seam night
[23:38:41] <kenfinnigan> also supports the fact that we're all in different tz's
[23:38:42] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: I think a whole week would be difficult to keep going for everyone.
[23:38:44] <jose_freitas> +1 on johnament idea
[23:38:56] <bleathem> 5pm to 6pm EST is a great time for it!
[23:39:05] <johnament> bleathem: +1 to that
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[23:39:15] <gastaldi> Maybe we could arrange in two different shifts
[23:39:26] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: What about the rolling block idea?
[23:39:37] 
[23:39:58] <johnament> gastaldi: the problem though is sbryzak is a good 15 hours (at least) in front of bleathem
[23:39:58] <bleathem> it will depend heavily on the availability of the core seam devs
[23:40:08] <lightguard_jp> antoine_sd: PeteRoyle You guys I know are the few in the EU, what are your thoughts?
[23:40:31] <mojavelinux> pete is in AU
[23:40:39] <lightguard_jp> Oh, that's right
[23:40:41] <johnament> EU, AU it's all the same
[23:41:06] <lightguard_jp> I think we have a majority of people in the UTC -# timezones
[23:41:13] <johnament> mojavelinux: don't know if you saw, but you just bought beer in weld-dev
[23:41:21] <bleathem> I think American's just call them "foreigners"
[23:41:29] <gastaldi> lol
[23:41:30] <gastaldi> Gringos
[23:41:33] <mojavelinux> hahah, how much do I owe?
[23:41:33] <johnament> bleathem: yep!
[23:41:49] <johnament> didn't say. <maxiphone> #action mojavelinux buys beer
[23:41:50] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: What do you Northerners call them?
[23:42:26] <johnament> they're all mexicans to me.
[23:42:39] <lightguard_jp> #info lightguard_jp Will draft an email to the group about time frames for Seam Hack Night
[23:42:50] <lightguard_jp> I just need some ideas of what works for people.
[23:43:01] <johnament> first module should be Seam JCR
[23:43:03] <lightguard_jp> Days and hopefully some time blocks
[23:43:14] <mojavelinux> I'd say something like 6 EST to 10 EST, or perhaps later, for some that will be morning
[23:43:15] <johnament> day vote for me would be 7/21 into 7/22
[23:43:51] <gastaldi> cool, Seam JCR it is
[23:43:54] <lightguard_jp> 6 EST - Midnight?
[23:44:01] <mojavelinux> yeah, something like that
[23:44:09] <lightguard_jp> That's a long block, but would cover pretty much everyone, wouldn't it?
[23:44:28] <johnament> that works.
[23:44:37] <johnament> then the spill over can just keep working on it all night
[23:45:05] <bleathem> johnament: souonds messy
[23:45:07] <lightguard_jp> Which would be 22:00 UTC - 04:00 UTC  correct?
[23:45:21] <johnament> hold on, let me google it
[23:45:42] <johnament> yes
[23:45:44] <gastaldi> brb
[23:45:55] <johnament> lightguard_jp: according to google you're right
[23:46:08] <lightguard_jp> http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/eastern-time/convert/
[23:46:10] <lightguard_jp> Yep
[23:46:11] <jose_freitas> ok, that sounds good
[23:46:29] <johnament> doesn't the seam-convert module do UTC conversions?
[23:46:32] <lightguard_jp> I'm thinking after a Seam meeting would be good, unless that's too much for people with families :)
[23:46:57] <lightguard_jp> #agreed Seam Hack Night will be 22:00 - 04:00 UTC
[23:47:15] <johnament> Wednesdays are the most ridiculous day for me. today is a one off
[23:47:15] <kenfinnigan> if it was straight after a team mtg I wouldn't be able to join in till 8-9 EST
[23:47:20] <kenfinnigan> but that's fine with me
[23:47:35] <johnament> i'd probably be able to join around ken's time.
[23:47:46] <johnament> 01:00 UTC
[23:47:51] <lightguard_jp> A Friday - Saturday block?
[23:48:00] <mojavelinux> I'd say Thursday or Friday
[23:48:08] <jose_freitas> Friday is better
[23:48:08] <johnament> Thursday would be my preference.
[23:48:11] <kenfinnigan> Thursday night is good
[23:48:21] <bleathem> Weekend can be tough for people
[23:48:24] <jose_freitas> wouldn't hurt my perfomace on the next day
[23:48:29] <mojavelinux> Thursday is the new Friday :) (that's what I learned in college, at least)
[23:48:42] <johnament> after a week of code, the last thing i want to do is code on a friday night.
[23:48:51] <lightguard_jp> Fair enough.
[23:48:54] <mojavelinux> yep
[23:48:55] <johnament> mojavelinux: well yeah, but that's only true when you don't have class on Friday
[23:49:21] <mojavelinux> that's what Red Bull is for
[23:49:26] <johnament> Tuesday night used to be my Thursday night
[23:49:26] <lightguard_jp> Okay, a Thursday during the month. Now which one? 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th?
[23:49:34] <johnament> 3rd
[23:50:02] <lightguard_jp> If we go the third I won't be there, have JUG meetings those nights, but if that's what works best for everyone that's okay
[23:50:14] <bleathem> not 3rd then
[23:50:20] <bleathem> 2nd
[23:50:26] <jose_freitas> I think that's arbitrary for most of people
[23:50:42] <gastaldi> johnament: Cool use case for Seam Convert
[23:50:43] <bleathem> it's just a matter of picking one
[23:50:51] <johnament> that would make the first one next thursday, right?
[23:50:56] <bleathem> do the 1st actually, it's easy to remember
[23:50:57] <lightguard_jp> I'd like to keep it a consist time, it's much easier to put into a calendar :) And people can anticipate it.
[23:51:00] <kenfinnigan> how about picking based on how many nights we want between now and seam release?
[23:51:09] <johnament> gastaldi: i just noticed that you started one, i thought i was making it up :/
[23:51:10] <jose_freitas> 2nd it's ok then
[23:51:40] 
[23:51:42] <lightguard_jp> I hear two for the 2nd Thursday, anyone else?
[23:51:47] <mojavelinux> +1 to 2nd
[23:51:49] <bleathem> 1st
[23:51:51] <jose_freitas> but we're suppose to get familiar with the module first
[23:51:55] <johnament> 5th.
[23:51:57] <bleathem> I withdraw my vote for 2nd
[23:51:59] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[23:52:05] <bleathem> 1st is easier to remeber
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[23:52:10] <lightguard_jp> We don't have to start this month :)
[23:52:12] <gastaldi> 1st
[23:52:12] <mojavelinux> if you withdrawl a vote, you will be sacked
[23:52:12] * bleathem is serious
[23:52:34] <johnament> i would prefer to start it this month, to get the ball going ASAP.
[23:52:37] <bleathem> mojavelinux: in that case...
[23:52:43] <mojavelinux> :)
[23:52:50] <gastaldi> 4th then
[23:52:51] <bleathem> 1st would be tomorrow
[23:53:03] <gastaldi> humm 1st is fine
[23:53:04] <gastaldi> :)
[23:53:13] <johnament> not this week :/
[23:53:18] <lightguard_jp> If we start this month we're looking at 4th or 2nd to allow people to catch up on JCR
[23:53:19] <bleathem> let's make a decision and move on
[23:53:31] <gastaldi> yeah
[23:53:36] <gastaldi> Doodle ?
[23:53:49] <lightguard_jp> Let's just decide here
[23:53:55] <lightguard_jp> We get the same people on the doodle anyway
[23:53:57] <johnament> i'll switch to 2nd.
[23:54:01] <gastaldi> ok, I stick to 1st or 2nd
[23:54:01] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: we grant you executive powers to make the decision
[23:54:05] <jose_freitas> 2nd +3 then
[23:54:09] <jose_freitas> +4
[23:54:19] <lightguard_jp> I'll call it good then with the second.
[23:54:20] <johnament> +5
[23:54:40] <lightguard_jp> #agreed Seam Hack Night will be the 2nd Thursday of the month from 22:00 - 04:00 UTC
[23:54:48] <lightguard_jp> #info the first module will be JCR
[23:54:48] <gastaldi> Done
[23:54:59] <gastaldi> Good
[23:55:05] <lightguard_jp> #action lightguard_jp will add this to the seam-dev google calendar
[23:55:05] <bleathem> but...
[23:55:07] <johnament> wow that actually stuck
[23:55:10] <bleathem> just kidding
[23:55:16] <gastaldi> hahah
[23:55:21] <johnament> there's a seam-dev google calendar?!
[23:55:44] <lightguard_jp> As JCR is the first, johnament and gastaldi will you please send out some info about what needs to be done and how to get up to speed quickly to the mailing list?
[23:56:00] <johnament> yep
[23:56:16] <johnament> we should also invite the modeshape guys
[23:56:28] <gastaldi> yeah
[23:56:37] <gastaldi> Randall and Brian mainly
[23:57:13] <johnament> how does one see the seam-dev google calendar?
[23:57:29] <lightguard_jp> Add the seamdev at gmail dot com calendar
[23:58:23] <johnament> good, now i don't have to remind myself about the IRC meeting that i'll never attend.
[23:58:43] <jose_freitas> hahaha
[23:58:54] <gastaldi> lol
[23:59:10] <johnament> :-)
[23:59:18] <johnament> gotta run guys. thanks for the info.
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[23:59:32] <gastaldi> ok, next topic ?
[23:59:56] <lightguard_jp> #topic DWG Elections
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