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[00:06:31] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: ping
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[02:53:12] <gastaldi> hey !
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[04:19:41] <gastaldi> hey
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[07:00:02] <lightguard_jp> Wow, channel is quite, that's a bit of a switch
[07:04:06] <bleathem> I'm watching my JUDCon preso
[07:14:32] <bleathem> My presentation is too short for JAXConf
[07:14:37] <bleathem> Going to have to beef it up
[07:15:46] <lightguard_jp> How long are the sessions at JAXConf?
[07:15:54] <bleathem> 1 hr 15 mins
[07:16:08] <lightguard_jp> 75. Yeah
[07:16:12] <bleathem> the vidoe of my preso at JUDCon is 35mins (they edited out the bloopers)
[07:16:29] <lightguard_jp> You'll need a bit more, but things have also changed a bit since JUDCon, you could toss in some more info there.
[07:16:36] <lightguard_jp> 35?
[07:16:37] <lightguard_jp> Dang
[07:16:58] <bleathem> Not much has changed in Faces, mostly bug fixes since then
[07:17:15] <bleathem> I'll just go into more detail
[07:17:29] <bleathem> This is the "JSF Summit" so presumably people are interested in the details
[07:17:33] <lightguard_jp> I thought there was a new feature
[07:17:40] <lightguard_jp> Makes sense
[07:17:54] <bleathem> No new features, I haven't released since before JUDCon
[07:18:07] <bleathem> I'll have a release out this week, but it's all bug fixes and doc improvements
[07:19:23] <lightguard_jp> Gotcha
[07:21:51] <bleathem> Watching a video of oneself presenting is incredibly informative
[07:21:54] <bleathem> wow
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[07:27:42] <lightguard_jp> Haha
[07:27:48] <lightguard_jp> I have audio I need to listen to
[07:28:19] <lightguard_jp> Really helps you understand what you do wrong and right, doesn't it?
[07:28:32] <bleathem> You bet
[07:28:51] <bleathem> I know I was reading a lot of what I wanted to say, my prep time was in short supply
[07:29:11] <bleathem> but I didn't realise to what degree it was noticeqable
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[07:42:49] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: When you know the material (which you do, you wrote a lot of it [Seam Faces]) you shouldn't have to read. The slides should be enough of a queue.
[07:43:25] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: will be next time.
[07:43:34] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: I was nervous, and the slides were fresh
[07:43:45] <bleathem> wanted to be sure I "got it right"
[07:43:50] <bleathem> also...
[07:44:04] <bleathem> I wanted the slide to be in support of what I was saying
[07:44:10] <bleathem> not necessarily what I was saying
[07:44:39] <lightguard_jp> That's part of the trick.
[07:44:48] <lightguard_jp> Takes some time to get that one right.
[07:45:03] <lightguard_jp> So many people read the slides instead of talk around the main point in the slide.
[07:45:11] <bleathem> agreed
[07:45:24] <lightguard_jp> I can read the slides for myself, thank you. Is there a PDF print out? :)
[07:45:34] <lightguard_jp> I think you also had some slides with too much text on them.
[07:46:24] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: kind of unavaoidable when showing code
[07:46:41] <bleathem> especially when you are trying to demonstrate the boiler-plate nature of the code
[07:46:55] <lightguard_jp> Code is a little different.
[07:47:27] <lightguard_jp> Code is fine, but when there's no code, it should only be five or six lines max with maybe 10 words a line.
[07:47:39] <lightguard_jp> You have too much text on slide and people glaze over.
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[08:48:46] <jharting> sbryzak: ping
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[09:01:50] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: ping
[09:01:57] <stuartdouglas> hey
[09:02:14] <lightguard_jp> I'm going through the persistence module.
[09:02:38] <lightguard_jp> If I'm understanding this correctly, every entitymanager created will be application scoped?
[09:02:47] <stuartdouglas> no
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[09:02:59] <lightguard_jp> Or the producer is just application scoped?
[09:03:20] <stuartdouglas> The producer for the EntityManagerFactory is application scoped
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[09:03:46] <lightguard_jp> Okay.
[09:04:01] <lightguard_jp> The other scope is being carried on somewhere else?
[09:05:23] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I see what's going on.
[09:05:25] <lightguard_jp> Got it.
[09:05:26] <stuartdouglas> The scope that is actually placed on the producer method
[09:06:08] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: this reminds me, what happened to the Seam Spotlight article series?
[09:06:26] <lightguard_jp> A little bit of trickery in the ManagedPersistenceContextExtension.
[09:06:50] <lightguard_jp> I think it kind of died on the vine. Shane seemed to be keeping track of it for a while
[09:06:58] <lightguard_jp> I figured I'd just leave it to him.
[09:07:18] <bleathem> Perhaps an agenda item?
[09:07:30] <lightguard_jp> If Shane doesn't sleep in again :)
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[09:07:50] <bleathem> speaking of which, I have to get to bed to make the RichFaces morning meeting
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[09:09:06] <lightguard_jp> That's at 8 AM for you?
[09:09:19] <lightguard_jp> clerum: How are things?
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[09:43:47] <sbryzak> jharting: belated pong
[09:43:57] <sbryzak> i've been without internet for almost 24 hours.. so annoying
[09:44:45] <jharting> sbryzak: Hi Shane, could you please pull this? https://github.com/seam/social/pull/4
[09:45:03] <sbryzak> jharting: sure
[09:45:27] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop d82ae06.. Jozef Hartinger SEAMSOCIAL-15 added test coverage profile
[09:45:29] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSOCIAL-15] Add test coverage profile [Pull Request Sent (Unresolved) Task, Major, Jozef Hartinger] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSOCIAL-15
[09:45:29] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop 17a780f.. Shane Bryzak Merge pull request #4 from jharting/SEAMSOCIAL-15...
[09:45:29] <jbossbot> git [social] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/social/compare/a2de437...17a780f
[09:45:55] <jharting> sbryzak: thanks
[09:46:55] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Switching to manual flush mode is done through setting it on the FlushModeManager? We can't set it via the entityManager anymore?
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[10:02:22] <stuartdouglas> lightguard_jp: You could never do it through the entity manager
[10:02:47] <stuartdouglas> EntityManager has a setFlushMode method, but it only takes COMMIT or AUTO
[10:02:59] <lightguard_jp> I thought in Seam2 we proxied the EM with our own and you could do it.
[10:03:19] <stuartdouglas> seam persistence provides a proxy of the EM that is also assignable to PersistenceContext (I think)
[10:03:37] <stuartdouglas> So you can do ((PersistenceContext)em).setFlushMode(MANUAL);
[10:03:53] <stuartdouglas> with seam 2 you needed to let Seam 2 do it for you
[10:04:07] <lightguard_jp> Hm, must be remembering wrong then.
[10:04:07] <stuartdouglas> or get the delegate and set the flush mode on the hibernate Session Object
[10:05:21] <lightguard_jp> Maybe that's what it was in Seam2
[10:05:46] <stuartdouglas> yea, there is not way to set the flush mode to manual on an EntityManager directly
[10:05:56] <stuartdouglas> there is no method on the interface that supports it
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[10:06:33] <lightguard_jp> Alrighty. I'll play with it all later. Thanks for answering some questions
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[10:10:21] <lightguard_jp> Heading to bed, later all
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[10:11:31] <itidi> hi
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[14:39:03] <gastaldi> morning folks !
[14:40:19] <jbossbot> git [security] push master c941855.. Marek Schmidt fix SEAMSECURITY-44 by renaming the identity bean from the example to opIdentity to avoid conflict with identity bean from security API
[14:40:20] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSECURITY-44] security-openid-op - ambiguous bean names [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSECURITY-44
[14:40:20] <jbossbot> git [security] push master a9b4b1c.. George Gastaldi Merge pull request #17 from maschmid/SEAMSECURITY-44...
[14:40:20] <jbossbot> git [security] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/9bceb43...a9b4b1c
[14:40:50] <gastaldi> jharting: ping
[14:40:59] <jharting> gastaldi: pong
[14:41:01] <maschmid> gastaldi: morning! and thanks! :)
[14:41:15] <gastaldi> maschmid: nop
[14:41:30] <gastaldi> jharting: Can you mark SEAMSECURITY-44 as fixed ?
[14:41:31] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMSECURITY-44] security-openid-op - ambiguous bean names [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMSECURITY-44
[14:42:00] <jharting> gastaldi: yes
[14:42:07] <gastaldi> jharting: Cool, thanks !
[14:42:53] <maschmid> jharting: sorry, i just did that..
[14:43:02] <jharting> maschmid: np :-)
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[14:52:52] <gastaldi> morning jose_freitas !
[14:53:29] <jose_freitas> g'morning gastaldi
[14:53:36] <jose_freitas> how are you?
[14:53:48] <jose_freitas> nice idea on jna module
[14:54:06] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: Cool huh ? But got no response on the list yet :(
[14:55:10] <gastaldi> Imagine having a Seam CDI module to activate the coffee machine :)
[14:57:59] <gastaldi> Maybe it could be discussed on the next meeting
[15:00:50] <jose_freitas> :)
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[15:10:09] <edburns> bleathem: Good morning.  Did you have any luck on the sample app for viewAction?
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[15:31:11] <jose_freitas> hey edburns: he's probably sleeping. I believe that he'll be here in 2h
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[15:43:29] <bleathem> Good morning!
[15:43:43] <jose_freitas> morning bleathem!
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[15:45:06] <bleathem> how are you today jose_freitas?
[15:46:36] <jose_freitas> pretty good :) you?
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[15:47:32] <bleathem> ok
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[15:51:42] <jose_freitas> I'd expect a happier answer
[15:51:42] <jose_freitas> lol
[15:59:16] <bleathem> jose_freitas: it's still early!
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[15:59:56] <jose_freitas> like 7 o'clock?
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[16:00:06] <bleathem> yes, 7am
[16:00:22] <bleathem> what city are you in jose_freitas?  I'll add you to my timezone list
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[16:01:24] <bleathem> 11 am!
[16:02:57] <edburns> jose_freitas: I've been to Floripa once, and I loved it.
[16:03:16] <edburns> bleathem: Hello, did you have any lick locating a sample app for ViewAction?
[16:03:59] <bleathem> edburns: no, we don't have one.  I can throw one together today if it would help
[16:04:35] <edburns> bleathem: Yes, it would.  If you could keep it really simple and retroactively make it be the "blog reader" sample that seems to stand behind the s:viewAction documentation, I'd appreciate it.
[16:04:50] <bleathem> sure thing
[16:04:51] <edburns> In fact, Dan wrote something similar but it used the f:event approach.
[16:05:14] <bleathem> which example is that?
[16:05:15] <edburns> bleathem: I had planned to hack upon Dan's sample but I started to slow down when I couldn't make some of the buttons work as expected.
[16:05:25] <edburns> I'll point you to a maven project.  Just a moment.
[16:11:58] <edburns> bleathem: Please visit <http://java.net/jira/browse/JAVASERVERFACES_SPEC_PUBLIC-758> and download the attachment i_spec_758_war.zip
[16:12:24] <edburns> This was my work-in-progress.  You can delete/add whatever you want, just keep it simple.
[16:12:41] <edburns> It has f:viewAction in there, but you'll have to change it back to s:viewAction.
[16:13:41] <bleathem> edburns: sure, I'll have this done by the end of the day
[16:13:50] <edburns> bleathem: that would be grand.
[16:18:24] <jose_freitas> bleathem: floripa is really nice. I've been here for one year exactly :)
[16:18:55] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: No doubt about it :)
[16:19:36] <gastaldi> edburns: I remember when you came to Floripa
[16:24:20] <edburns> gastaldi: Really, I'm honored.
[16:24:31] <edburns> I really treasured my brief time there.
[16:25:19] <gastaldi> edburns: You should come back sometime
[16:27:26] <jose_freitas> indeed
[16:30:08] <edburns> gastaldi: I would love to.  Does Globalcode still do events in Floripa?
[16:30:29] <gastaldi> Sure
[16:32:59] <gastaldi> bleathem: ping
[16:33:06] <bleathem> gastaldi: pong
[16:33:24] <gastaldi> bleathem: Is https://github.com/seam/faces/pull/40 ok to be merged ?
[16:33:38] <bleathem> gastaldi: I'll take care of it
[16:33:42] <gastaldi> ok
[16:33:52] <bleathem> gastaldi: I want to dd the Seam Faces issue ref to the commit message
[16:34:00] <bleathem> ^to add
[16:34:09] <gastaldi> yeah, that should be better
[16:34:51] <bleathem> it's cool that github added the merge pull request button, but...
[16:35:04] <gastaldi> hehe
[16:35:05] <bleathem> I miss the little command snippets that they provided previously
[16:35:16] <gastaldi> See the icon on the left
[16:35:20] <gastaldi> They are still there
[16:35:28] <gastaldi> There is a "i"
[16:35:31] <bleathem> nice!
[16:35:42] <bleathem> thanks! - glad I complained!
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[16:36:04] <bleathem> kind of like typing "t"
[16:36:09] <gastaldi> yeah
[16:36:10] <gastaldi> haha
[16:36:11] <bleathem> that's the best github tip I ever heard
[16:36:17] <gastaldi> agreed
[16:39:28] <jbossbot> git [faces] push master bac0d8a.. Christian Kaltepoth SEAMFACES-171: Removed dispensable warning from SeamApplicationWrapper
[16:39:29] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-171] Cannot attempt extension on null message logged on first form submit [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-171
[16:39:29] <jbossbot> git [faces] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/faces/compare/cd65f0f...bac0d8a
[16:46:34] <clerum> bleathem: thanks for looking into that Brian
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[16:47:32] <bleathem> clerum: no worries, Someone else complained about it to (using Myfaces)
[16:47:44] <bleathem> probably causing more hamr than help at this point
[16:47:52] <bleathem> ^harm
[16:48:14] <clerum> yep. something that needlessly distracts someone new
[16:50:36] <edburns> bleathem: Can you acknowledge receipt of the i_spec_758_war.zip?
[16:51:52] <bleathem> edburns: yep, I've downloaded it
[16:53:10] <edburns> bleathem: Thank you.
[16:54:47] <clerum> bleathem: has any thought been given to a seam 2 style debug page?
[16:54:55] <clerum> to your knowledge
[16:55:12] <bleathem> clerum: none that I've heard
[16:55:16] <bleathem> good idea though
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[16:58:24] <clerum> something that I really miss from seam 2 is being able to see what beans are in what scope
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[17:04:01] <bleathem> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-6
[17:04:02] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-6] s:debug [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-6
[17:04:20] <clerum> yeah thats good
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[17:05:59] <clerum> so that just rendering a div on the page?
[17:10:41] <bleathem> clerum: I believe so
[17:10:56] <bleathem> clerum: care to implement it?
[17:11:34] <clerum> is therw a way to get a list of beans with their qualifiers in a given context?
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[17:12:49] <bleathem> There must be, from the BeanManager
[17:13:44] <clerum> if you can point me in the right direction I can take a stab at it
[17:13:51] <clerum> but not seeing it on bm
[17:14:06] <bleathem> looking at the API doc...
[17:14:51] <bleathem> or maybe it would be in solder
[17:16:07] <clerum> looking there too
[17:16:13] <bleathem> ping stuartdouglas
[17:16:21] <clerum> k
[17:17:07] <bleathem> (that ping was an action on my part)
[17:17:17] <clerum> ah
[17:17:32] <clerum> I suppose we really just want beans that are exposed with an @Named
[17:17:38] <clerum> which may make it easier
[17:17:54] <bleathem> write, but only the ones that are currently active
[17:17:59] <clerum> nit
[17:18:01] <clerum> right
[17:19:24] <clerum> I wonder if we could someone require that jquery be available if using s:debug
[17:19:38] <clerum> most component librarys are using it and this it is included
[17:20:09] <clerum> and would be nice to have availalbe for making a dynamic looking debug page
[17:20:11] <bleathem> you can always include it
[17:20:23] <bleathem> it would be cool to only include it if it didn't find it
[17:20:41] <clerum> right...just load it from google cdn or something
[17:21:45] <jose_freitas> I might start working with seamfaces-6 as I have great interest in that too
[17:22:24] <clerum> jose_freitas: great
[17:22:26] <bleathem> jose_freitas: cool, you can collaborate with clerum
[17:22:38] <jose_freitas> sure thing
[17:23:09] <jose_freitas> bleathem: do you know if we use sonar in our dev process?
[17:32:54] <jose_freitas> clerum: when could we start discussing it?
[17:33:31] <clerum> I think we need to figure out how to get a list of beans in each context
[17:37:55] <bleathem> jose_freitas: as fas as I know, we don't use sonar. nice tool though
[17:38:38] <jose_freitas> I was making some tests and sonar can't make coverage test with arquillian yet
[17:39:04] <jose_freitas> clerum, I believe it would not be difficult thourgh @Inject BeanManager as bleathem stated
[17:39:22] <jose_freitas> last time I checked we were 87% rules compliant
[17:39:37] <jose_freitas> sonar default rules set
[17:40:08] <gastaldi> Sonar is so cool
[17:40:46] <bleathem> jose_freitas: are you aware of any BeanManager functionaloty that will give the list of beans active in the current context?
[17:42:37] <gastaldi> I doubt there is something like that
[17:42:43] <jose_freitas> me too
[17:42:54] <gastaldi> Might be a suggestion for 1.1
[17:42:57] <bleathem> something in Solder maybe?
[17:43:03] <jose_freitas> we might have to build something to query it that
[17:43:19] <jose_freitas> but it has someways to find beans
[17:43:29] <gastaldi> maybe the weld guys could help us out
[17:43:31] <jose_freitas> I'll take a look inside the code to see how it can be done
[17:43:36] <bleathem> so, all classes annotated with @Named, as clerum suggested, and loop through looking for active ones
[17:43:55] <bleathem> might be a good place to start for s:debug
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[17:44:12] <jose_freitas> I believe that would be nice to show Named class separatedly, but it'd be nice to see every class too
[17:44:15] <gastaldi> Hum.. is @Named required to use in JSF ?
[17:44:21] 
[17:44:29] <jose_freitas> yes it is
[17:44:30] <clerum> to expose via el
[17:44:34] <bleathem> it's required to call it from a facelet
[17:44:37] <gastaldi> oh, silly me :)
[17:44:51] <gastaldi> Good to know :)
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[17:45:52] <bleathem> starting with the @Named classes would be a good way of distilling the large pool of classes down to those relevant to the view layer
[17:46:15] <clerum> jose_freitas: ping me if you see a way. I'll keep looking as well
[17:46:25] <jose_freitas> great
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[17:47:52] <jose_freitas> I'll ping you as soon I get something
[17:49:59] <clerum> 10-4
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[17:51:28] <jose_freitas> beanManager has public List<Bean<?>> getBeans()
[17:51:34] <jose_freitas> that returns all resolvable beans
[17:51:54] <jose_freitas> we might filter that list on our class
[17:52:36] <jose_freitas> ir returns all those beans registered with the Web Bean manager which are resolvable and does not include interceptor and decorator beans
[17:53:44] <jose_freitas> and Bean class have a public String getName() that Obtains the {@linkplain javax.enterprise.inject EL name} of a bean, if it has one.
[17:54:04] <jose_freitas> that way we could filter the list
[17:55:02] <jose_freitas> clerum, we have to think how could we make this filtering more performatic
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[17:57:26] <clerum>  jose_freitas: don't you have to send in a type to getBeans
[17:57:47] <jose_freitas> nope
[17:57:54] <jose_freitas> if you don't pass a parameter
[17:57:59] <jose_freitas> it returns all
[17:58:31] <clerum> handy. so beanManager.getBeans(null, @Named)
[17:59:45] <jose_freitas> well, we could test that way. but I don't think that nullifying the parameter would work
[18:00:21] <jose_freitas> I'm looking at BeanManagerImpl
[18:01:38] <jose_freitas> I don't think that @Named would be considered a qualifier too
[18:01:53] <jose_freitas> I'll make this test now
[18:02:24] <clerum> if we go outside the spi doesn't that lock us into weld
[18:04:46] <jose_freitas> true
[18:04:59] <jose_freitas> nice point
[18:05:25] <clerum> might be something to bounce off alesj or pmuir
[18:05:43] <bleathem> you can do this with an extension, and store the list of @Named classes in an application scoped bean
[18:06:00] <jose_freitas> that's my idea bleathem
[18:06:19] <clerum> so grab them as they are created?
[18:06:23] <bleathem> see: https://github.com/seam/faces/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/faces/view/config/ViewConfigExtension.java
[18:06:27] <jose_freitas> still, to be independent of weld impl we should have a beanManager implementation ourselves
[18:06:32] <bleathem> public <T> void processAnnotatedType(@Observes ProcessAnnotatedType<T> event) {
[18:06:47] <jose_freitas> hmmm
[18:06:54] <bleathem> collect the list of @Named annotations at deploy time
[18:07:09] <bleathem> sorry, the list of @Named anotated clasess
[18:07:57] <bleathem> and maybe only do this is the facelet development mode is active
[18:07:58] <clerum> oh and then check to see if they are active
[18:08:10] <bleathem> so that we don't waste the resources in production
[18:08:21] <bleathem> clerum: right, your backing bean would loop through this saved set
[18:08:58] <bleathem> We have an injectable class that tells you if you are in facelet development mode
[18:09:35] <clerum> seems reasonable. it is a debugging operation so it doesn't have to be the fastest thing in the world
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[18:09:47] <bleathem> https://github.com/seam/faces/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/faces/environment/ProjectStageProducer.java
[18:09:56] <clerum> pitty that CDI doesn't expose a method to do this
[18:09:57] <gastaldi> yay !!
[18:10:00] <jose_freitas> so, are those extensions running through all beans (iterating beans . extensions times) ?
[18:10:10] <bleathem> jose_freitas: yes, at deploy time
[18:10:39] <jose_freitas> couldn't we somehow use the same iteration for viewconfig?
[18:10:40] <bleathem> clerum: it should be fast, all extensions do this at the same time, in the same loop
[18:10:52] <clerum> sure
[18:11:03] <jose_freitas> hmmm
[18:11:03] <jose_freitas> nice
[18:11:09] <bleathem> just observe the event
[18:11:19] <bleathem> there will be one event for each class
[18:11:40] <gastaldi> I think it should store this stuff only when NOT in production mode. All other ProjectStages could use this feature as well
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[18:11:55] <jose_freitas> nice idea gastaldi
[18:12:05] <clerum> so do we just scan for that name (Type?) once for each context supported by the debug page
[18:12:17] <gastaldi> piece of cake now huh ?
[18:12:44] <jose_freitas> indeed
[18:12:45] <bleathem> gastaldi: it only makes sense in development
[18:12:56] <bleathem> systemtest and unittest don't need debug features
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[18:13:29] <bleathem> clerum: just check for the @Named annotation on each class
[18:13:39] <bleathem> and stuff it into a set
[18:13:57] <clerum> I'm thinking for the debug page
[18:13:58] <bleathem> then you just have to work out asking the BeanManager if there is an active instance at runtime
[18:14:04] <clerum> right.
[18:14:25] <bleathem> clerum: sorry, misread your comment
[18:14:26] <clerum> so when you go to the debug page you need to ask the BeanManager if it has this Bean in this Context
[18:14:46] <bleathem> clerum: right
[18:14:50] <clerum> so loop through once for each bean in each context (that you stored at deploy)
[18:15:15] <bleathem> clerum: sounds great!
[18:16:32] 
[18:16:49] <jose_freitas> yeap, it's a nice solution indeed
[18:17:01] <jose_freitas> nice to see ideas popping up
[18:17:42] <bleathem> groupthink++
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[18:17:55] <clerum> This should make sense living in the faces module
[18:18:28] <bleathem> What else makes use of @Named and EL?
[18:18:32] <bleathem> Does wicket?
[18:18:39] <jose_freitas> hm
[18:18:40] <jose_freitas> dunno
[18:18:58] <bleathem> Well, it can birth in Seam Faces, and migrate somewhere else if required
[18:20:08] <bleathem> FYI: I'm aiming for a Seam Faces 3.0.2 release at the end of this week.
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[18:20:49] <gastaldi> maxiphone: I tested Colloquy and find it great
[18:21:03] <gastaldi> maxiphone: Cool app indeed
[18:21:11] <jose_freitas> bleathem: are you going to use the test module with jsfunit snapshot?
[18:21:30] <bleathem> I can't do a release with a SNAPSHOT dependency
[18:21:39] <jose_freitas> sure
[18:21:59] <bleathem> so we're going to have to wait to land that feature until the JSFUnit release
[18:22:37] <gastaldi> ask the jsfunit team about that
[18:22:40] <bleathem> bummer to have to wait, I'm really excited to get the test infrastructure going
[18:22:51] <bleathem> gastaldi: aslak was asking that on our behalf
[18:22:59] <gastaldi> cool
[18:23:22] <bleathem> do they have an IRC channel?  Or do they just use #jboss-testing?
[18:23:22] <gastaldi> The machine should never stop working ! :)
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[18:24:24] <gastaldi> is the JSFUnit code still in SVN ?
[18:24:38] 
[18:25:09] <jose_freitas> aslak have it on his github account
[18:25:22] <jose_freitas> https://github.com/aslakknutsen/jsfunit
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[18:25:37] <jose_freitas> I don't know how they're managing the code, though
[18:25:37] <bleathem> Funny how SVN makes a project feel dated
[18:25:44] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[18:25:48] <gastaldi> https://github.com/aslakknutsen/jsfunit
[18:25:50] <gastaldi> yeah
[18:25:51] <gastaldi> :)
[18:26:49] <bleathem> ok, I'm going dark for a while to focus on my presentation.
[18:26:54] <bleathem> catch y'all later
[18:27:01] <gastaldi> cool
[18:27:03] <gastaldi> cu
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[18:27:37] <gastaldi> hehe cu is for "see you". In Brazilian Portuguese it means "ass"
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[18:29:15] <jose_freitas> asshole to be more specific
[18:29:16] <jose_freitas> hahaha
[18:29:40] <gastaldi> yeah ! haha
[18:32:16] <aslak> gastaldi, jose_freitas sent of a request to Stan for a release. waiting for reply.
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[18:41:48] <lightguard_jp> Brian left? drat
[18:42:25] <gastaldi> hey Jason !
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[18:48:52] <lightguard_jp> Hey George
[18:49:41] <gastaldi> doing good ?
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[18:56:11] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, getting better
[18:56:45] <gastaldi> nice
[18:58:15] <lightguard_jp> How's Brazil? Where are you in Brazil again?
[18:59:22] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: I am in Florianopolis
[18:59:38] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: You should come here anytime
[18:59:50] <jose_freitas> gastaldi, it's a shame that we never took a beer together
[18:59:56] <lightguard_jp> that in the northern or southern part of the country?
[19:00:04] <gastaldi> The southern
[19:00:17] <gastaldi> jose_freitas: Yes, indeed :)
[19:00:30] <gastaldi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian%C3%B3polis
[19:00:50] <lightguard_jp> You're just starting winter down there, aren't you?
[19:00:59] <gastaldi> yep. getting pretty cold
[19:01:33] <gastaldi> you know, Florianopolis is also one of the favorite places of Jack Johnson, the singer
[19:02:22] <gastaldi> We should have an official Seam meeting in Floripa, wdyt ?
[19:02:25] <gastaldi> :)
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[19:03:30] <lightguard_jp> Wow, you are way down there
[19:04:31] <gastaldi> yeah
[19:05:05] <gastaldi> I think you are way up there, depends on the point of view :)
[19:10:56] <gastaldi> #topic Seam Meeting in Floripa
[19:10:58] <gastaldi> :)
[19:12:16] <jose_freitas> if you think about it, it has great chances that floripa is the city that keeps the biggest group of seam contributors
[19:13:01] <gastaldi> Agreed
[19:13:09] <gastaldi> We love this stuff !
[19:13:11] <gastaldi> :)
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[19:31:32] <gastaldi> hey agori !
[19:31:50] <agori> Hi gastaldi!
[19:32:04] <agori> did you get my pull request?
[19:32:24] <gastaldi> Yes, I am looking that now
[19:32:58] <agori> ok, I hope the branching stuff is ok this time ;)
[19:33:23] 
[19:33:56] <gastaldi> Hum... Too bad it needs OpenOffice service
[19:35:12] <agori> Right, anyway JODConverter is not so bad: version 3 has a pool of services
[19:35:20] <gastaldi> agori: It could be nice if we could get rid of those snapshot dependencies
[19:35:53] 
[19:36:12] <agori> I could ask to the jodconverter team to release something...otherwise what do you suggest?
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[19:37:21] <gastaldi> If they could release it, it is fine
[19:37:40] <gastaldi> Do you need something specific to this snapshot ?
[19:37:54] <gastaldi> Compared to the released version ?
[19:38:27] <agori> I think JODCovnerter 2.x has not a pool of services
[19:39:11] <gastaldi> hum ok. If you can make them release it, please let me know
[19:40:00] <agori> is possible to repackage jodconverter under org.jboss.seam?
[19:40:12] <gastaldi> Dunno
[19:40:28] <agori> we should check the licences
[19:40:42] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: Is that possible /
[19:40:43] <gastaldi> ?
[19:41:05] <gastaldi> There is simple-odf library also
[19:41:13] <lightguard_jp> What's the license?
[19:41:46] <agori> simple odf is not a snapshot but they didn't release in any maven repository...I could contact them
[19:42:09] <gastaldi> It seems JODConverter is LGPL
[19:42:47] <agori> http://jodconverter.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jodconverter/trunk/jodconverter/LICENSE.txt?revision=286&view=markup
[19:46:02] <lightguard_jp> LGPL and ASL should be compatible, we should be able to make use of it.
[19:48:04] <Diablo-D3> ASL2 is LGPLv3 compatible
[19:50:42] <agori> should I change the header of every repackaged file or I can leave the original ones?
[19:51:42] <lightguard_jp> You can't change the header and still be compliant.
[19:52:15] <lightguard_jp> Diablo-D3: But is ASL2 LGPL 2.1 compat?
[20:01:57] <Diablo-D3> no
[20:02:01] <Diablo-D3> v3 only
[20:02:11] <Diablo-D3> ASL2 is essentially BSD + GPLv3-like patent language
[20:05:22] 
[20:06:58] <agori> gastaldi: there is active development on 3.0  : http://code.google.com/p/jodconverter/source/list
[20:09:39] <agori> anyway it's no impossible to reimplement something like that
[20:10:24] <gastaldi> hum, I see there is a beta3
[20:12:44] <gastaldi> mirko.nasato seems to be the only developer
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[20:21:31] <agori> yes it's only a wrapper
[20:22:05] <gastaldi> hum
[20:22:40] <gastaldi> Could u check if a release is possible ? Possibly on a maven 2 repository
[20:23:06] <agori> I see now that there are only fiew classes...maybe 15-20 classes
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[20:23:26] <gastaldi> Are these UNO libraries on Maven ?
[20:24:18] <gastaldi> ah, I think it is :)
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[20:30:56] <agori> ok I'll try to ask
[20:32:34] <gastaldi> thanks
[20:33:50] <gastaldi> agori: http://maven.xwiki.org/externals/org/artofsolving/jodconverter/jodconverter-core/3.0-beta-3.20110210/
[20:34:20] <gastaldi> http://maven.xwiki.org/externals/org/artofsolving/jodconverter/jodconverter-core/3.0-beta-3.20110504/ seems to be the latest one
[20:37:47] <gastaldi> also, the simple-odf 0.6 is already final
[20:38:15] <agori> aahh! did you find simple-odf on some maven repo too?
[20:38:36] <gastaldi> yeah
[20:38:38] <gastaldi> :)
[20:38:48] <gastaldi> Good news: The tests passed on my machine :)
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[20:41:45] <agori> gastaldi: nice, where? I can see only a 0.4 version
[20:41:58] <gastaldi> agori: Where are you seeing ?
[20:42:05] <gastaldi> I use http://mvnrepository.com
[20:42:16] <gastaldi> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.odftoolkit/simple-odf/0.6
[20:42:40] <agori> http://odftoolkit.org/projects/simple/sources/maven2/show
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[20:43:32] <agori> so the central repo is more up to date then the one they own
[20:43:47] <gastaldi> yeah, look at that :)
[20:44:12] <agori> thanks George, I need to go now, See you soon
[20:44:13] <gastaldi> hum, the tests throw java.lang.Throwable: Warning: You did not close the PDF Document
[20:44:17] <gastaldi> see ya
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[20:45:24] <gastaldi> BTW, using git flow is so much fun !
[20:45:49] <gastaldi> I created a new feature, merged agori changes and all happens automatically ! :D
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[21:05:11] <bleathem> anyone know where I can get an SVG of the weld logo?
[21:06:43] <gastaldi> docs.jboss.org
[21:06:59] <gastaldi> oh wait..
[21:07:10] <gastaldi> http://design.jboss.org/
[21:07:56] <bleathem> thx, but no SVGs in there...
[21:08:04] <gastaldi> Yeah, I figured that out now
[21:08:05] <gastaldi> :)
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[21:08:47] <gastaldi> What about DESIGN-152 ?
[21:08:49] <jbossbot> jira [DESIGN-152] Seam 3 Module Logos [Closed (Done) Feature Request, Major, James Cobb] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DESIGN-152
[21:09:18] <gastaldi> http://design.jboss.org/seam/logo/final/seam3_logo.svg
[21:09:35] 
[21:09:36] <gastaldi> :)
[21:09:41] <bleathem> getting closer...
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[21:12:13] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop e3bc039.. agori setup and initial work for openoffice implementation
[21:12:13] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop 1a63485.. George Gastaldi SEAMREPORTS-10: Added support for OpenOffice template
[21:12:14] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMREPORTS-10] Dynamic reporting from customer template [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMREPORTS-10
[21:12:14] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop 0c73673.. George Gastaldi SEAMREPORTS-10: Refactored tests
[21:12:14] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop a759e46.. George Gastaldi Merge branch 'feature/openoffice-integration' into develop
[21:12:15] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/4ad97f2...a759e46
[21:14:29] <gastaldi> bleathem: Check with James Cobb
[21:14:47] <gastaldi> bleathem: jcobb at redhat.com
[21:16:03] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: You there ?
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[21:20:55] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop 24ec409.. George Gastaldi Ignored tests due to environment issues
[21:20:55] <jbossbot> git [reports] push develop URL: http://github.com/seam/reports/compare/a759e46...24ec409
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[21:32:07] <gastaldi> I got some questions about the build environment
[21:32:23] <lightguard_jp> okay
[21:32:28] <gastaldi> For example, I need openoffice in order to run the tests of the module
[21:32:49] <gastaldi> And also a BIRT Runtime unpacked on some folder
[21:33:06] <gastaldi> What do I need to do to have that ?
[21:33:20] <lightguard_jp> Oh, you're asking about maven specific stuff. You're asking the wrong guy :)
[21:33:26] <gastaldi> on Hudson and Cloudbees I suppose
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[21:33:41] <lightguard_jp> If we can get it via maven it'll be easier
[21:33:59] <lightguard_jp> I'm not exactly sure what we can put on there and how to get it there.
[21:33:59] <gastaldi> hummm
[21:34:07] <gastaldi> damn :(
[21:34:30] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: Send me an email with everything you need and I'll ask them
[21:34:37] <gastaldi> Ok, Thanks
[21:38:09] <lightguard_jp> gastaldi: They said they'd update our emma plugin, it just hasn't happened yet.
[21:38:31] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: Yeah, too bad :(
[21:38:32] <lightguard_jp> Would you like me to build your project again, or is it really broken?
[21:38:40] <gastaldi> Please build it again
[21:39:07] <gastaldi> I had to disable the tests who required OpenOffice
[21:39:19] <gastaldi> :(
[21:39:20] <lightguard_jp> Okay, it's submitted
[21:39:25] <gastaldi> Cool, thanks !
[21:39:45] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: What about the Maven Release plugin ?
[21:39:57] <gastaldi> on cloudbees ?
[21:40:10] <lightguard_jp> I don't know if we really need that or not
[21:40:43] <gastaldi> We had discussed on the latest meeting (or the week before) about automatizing the release process
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[21:45:39] <lightguard_jp> Someone was going to do some research, IIRC
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[21:48:47] <bleathem> gastaldi: James Cobb pulled through, good idea!
[21:49:09] <gastaldi> bleathem: Glad you made it :)
[21:49:42] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: I think no one researched yet :)
[21:50:46] <lightguard_jp> Looks as if
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[21:58:15] <aslak> gastaldi, bleathem jose_freitas Stan is on PTO this week so he didn't have much time for a release, but he'll see what he can get done
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[22:06:54] <gastaldi> Nice code: https://gist.github.com/1025597
[22:07:26] <aslak> gastaldi, yes
[22:08:01] <gastaldi> place Element under a static import, and it will be awesome
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[22:08:07] <jose_freitas> thanks aslak!
[22:10:10] <aslak> gastaldi, hehe, just a attempt at a alternative route to the new ShrinkWrap Descriptors API, https://github.com/ralfbattenfeld/descriptors/blob/master/impl/src/test/java/org/jboss/shrinkwrap/descriptor/impl/application6/Application6DescriptorImplTest.java
[22:10:58] <aslak> builders with hierarchical structs are a bit tricky when you want to move up/back..
[22:11:16] <gastaldi> yeah
[22:12:27] <bleathem> aslak: that's great, thanks for following up with that!
[22:16:18] <aslak> gastaldi, https://gist.github.com/1025597 with static import
[22:16:35] <gastaldi> aslak: Awesome ! :D
[22:17:32] <gastaldi> how about adding a "with" prefix ?
[22:17:48] <gastaldi> withName(...), withMapping(...)
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[22:24:23] <lightguard_jp> No
[22:24:33] <lightguard_jp> We can request though
[22:26:00] <gastaldi> hum... Is it a paid plan ?
[22:27:01] <gastaldi> I think that free plan does not allow additional plugins :P
[22:27:06] <gastaldi> Damn
[22:27:23] <gastaldi> The Maven Release plugin will do fine
[22:27:34] <gastaldi> lightguard_jp: Is is possible to request this plugin ?
[22:30:30] <lightguard_jp> We'll ask
[22:30:40] <lightguard_jp> We're on the FOSS plan
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[22:31:46] <gastaldi> ah ok
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[22:36:36] <lightguard_jp> I need to check out for a few ho
[22:36:38] <lightguard_jp> urs
[22:36:40] <lightguard_jp> hours
[22:36:45] <gastaldi> Nop
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[23:45:06] <jbossbot> git [core] push master 7546b14.. Lincoln Baxter, III SEAMFORGE-219, added seam-render to the parent pom depmanagement
[23:45:07] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFORGE-219] FacesPlugin should be able to create new empty views [Closed (Done) Feature Request, Major, Lincoln Baxter III] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFORGE-219
[23:45:07] <jbossbot> git [core] push master URL: http://github.com/forge/core/compare/5e48cc6...7546b14
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