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[02:25:58] <gastaldi> howdy !
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[03:13:24] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: ping
[03:13:35] <stuartdouglas> sbryzak: pong
[03:13:38] <sbryzak> hey stuart
[03:13:49] <sbryzak> we need to do a little refactoring for the persistence module
[03:14:00] <stuartdouglas> moving the packages?
[03:14:05] <sbryzak> yeah
[03:14:11] <sbryzak> moving the transaction stuff to its own package
[03:14:21] <sbryzak> later on we might move it to a separate module
[03:14:33] <sbryzak> but for now, if we at least move the package we won't break people's code in the future
[03:14:59] <stuartdouglas> ok, do you want to leave to old one there, or just remove it altogether?
[03:15:26] <sbryzak> i think just remove it
[03:15:30] <stuartdouglas> ok
[03:15:48] <sbryzak> if we just rename everything in org.jboss.seam.persistence.transaction to just org.jboss.seam.transaction, that should be sufficient for now
[03:15:58] <sbryzak> also, has SeamManaged been moved to Solder yet?
[03:18:51] <stuartdouglas> yes
[03:19:00] <stuartdouglas> but not removed from persistence
[03:19:33] <sbryzak> is it deprecated?
[03:19:48] <stuartdouglas> if we are going to just remove the transaction stuff we should just remove it as well
[03:20:01] <stuartdouglas> It is only going to be in one place in the app anyway
[03:20:23] <stuartdouglas> I will have a look at generic beans on GF today, and see what I can figure out
[03:20:40] <sbryzak> np, let's remove SeamManaged from the persistence module then
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[03:22:20] <kenfinnigan> sbryzak: ping
[03:22:30] <sbryzak> kenfinnigan: pong
[03:22:46] <kenfinnigan> pushed the solder update for annotation processing#
[03:22:57] <kenfinnigan> may have messed up the commit history, hopefully not though
[03:23:24] <sbryzak> great, i'll take a look now
[03:23:34] <kenfinnigan> may have to set up a linux virtual to work on Seam!
[03:23:44] <kenfinnigan> Windows does not play nice with git
[03:23:54] <kenfinnigan> let me know if I need to fix anything
[03:23:56] * stuartdouglas shudders at the thought of developing on windows
[03:24:06] <sbryzak> i haven't worked on windows for years now
[03:24:10] <kenfinnigan> lol, most of the time it is not a problem
[03:24:19] <sbryzak> i couldn't imagine not having a real shell
[03:24:31] <sbryzak> i guess there's cygwin...
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[03:24:45] <kenfinnigan> I'd love to get to that point, unfortunately there are too many things I use that are windows only
[03:24:53] <kenfinnigan> hadn't thought of that
[03:24:57] <kenfinnigan> might give that a shot
[03:25:03] <sbryzak> that's why i have another computer just for windows ;)
[03:25:17] <sbryzak> actually, virtualization is really useful too
[03:25:19] <kenfinnigan> at the moment I just have a laptop
[03:25:35] <kenfinnigan> do have an old lenovo that I need to do something with
[03:25:41] <sbryzak> i can run win xp in a virtual machine, if i want to use photoshop or something
[03:25:42] <kenfinnigan> could turn that into linux
[03:25:52] <kenfinnigan> good point
[03:26:12] <sbryzak> and it's fast too
[03:26:43] <kenfinnigan> I bet
[03:26:48] <sbryzak> geez there's 5 pull requests for solder
[03:27:26] <kenfinnigan> wow, whose been slacking! ;-)
[03:27:30] <stuartdouglas> me
[03:28:04] <sbryzak> i might start with the oldest one first
[03:28:07] <sbryzak> and apply them in order
[03:28:17] <kenfinnigan> might make it the least painful
[03:28:24] <sbryzak> there shouldn't be any conflicts, they seem to be unrelated
[03:28:28] <stuartdouglas> there is only really 4
[03:28:53] <sbryzak> which one can i disregard?
[03:28:59] <stuartdouglas> I just closed it
[03:29:04] <stuartdouglas> the @SeamManaged
[03:29:09] <sbryzak> ah cool
[03:32:05] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master d624a43.. Shane Bryzak Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/mgencur/solder into mgencur-master...
[03:32:05] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 182275b.. Shane Bryzak Merge remote branch 'upstream/master'
[03:32:06] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/b3d7069...182275b
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[03:34:23] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push master afa73bc.. Stuart Douglas Remove @SeamManaged
[03:34:24] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/persistence/compare/eff6ca6...afa73bc
[03:34:46] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 42d1cf4.. Shane Bryzak Merge branch 'statusmessage-removal' of https://github.com/kenfinnigan/solder into kenfinnigan-statusmessage-removal...
[03:34:46] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/182275b...42d1cf4
[03:35:46] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 0160afb.. Shane Bryzak Merge branch 'SOLDER-74' of https://github.com/jharting/seam-solder into jharting-SOLDER-74
[03:35:48] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-74] @DefaultBean producer methods broken on GlassFish [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Critical, Stuart Douglas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-74
[03:35:48] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/42d1cf4...0160afb
[03:37:05] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 74b7cc1.. Shane Bryzak Merge branch 'annotation_tooling' of https://github.com/kenfinnigan/solder into kenfinnigan-annotation_tooling
[03:37:05] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/0160afb...74b7cc1
[03:37:48] <sbryzak> i'm tempted to release an RC2 of solder
[03:38:17] <sbryzak> however if i were to do that I'd probably need to release a CR3 for the bundled release
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[03:42:02] <stuartdouglas> It may be an idea to do that anyway, cause of the API changes
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[03:43:39] <sbryzak> i think with such a significant change we need to test it before we go final
[03:44:41] <stuartdouglas> hmm, did GF ever fix the issues with beans in WI/lib not able to access beans in WI/classes ?
[03:45:08] <sbryzak> honestly i'm not sure what the status is
[03:45:25] <sbryzak> dan is supposed to be putting together a page describing all the currently known issues with running on GF
[03:45:33] <stuartdouglas> I if not I am pretty sure that that is the problem with @DefaultBean and generic beans
[03:46:25] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push master bc79ecc.. Stuart Douglas gitignote for idea
[03:46:25] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push master b71d6f4.. Stuart Douglas rename transactions package
[03:46:25] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/persistence/compare/afa73bc...b71d6f4
[03:48:58] <sbryzak> kenfinnigan: i've applied your pull requests
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[03:50:33] <gastaldi> great !
[03:50:47] <gastaldi> Now transactions may be a separate module
[03:51:41] <sbryzak> we'll consider doing that after the final is released
[03:52:07] <gastaldi> When is final released ?
[03:52:16] <sbryzak> this month
[03:52:57] <gastaldi> excellent
[03:53:17] 
[03:53:47] <gastaldi> it is usable now
[03:54:34] <gastaldi> But I doubt it will be still part of Seam 3
[03:54:49] <gastaldi> Maybe Seam 3.5 ? :)
[03:55:41] <sbryzak> let's aim for 3.1 ;)
[03:59:35] <gastaldi> yeah :)
[04:01:22] <gastaldi> I wonder, do you guys create any technical docs like class diagrams, use case diagrams, etc. for these modules ?
[04:03:22] <sbryzak> if they're useful for explaining a concept, then yes sometimes
[04:03:53] <gastaldi> any special tool for that ?
[04:04:14] <gastaldi> just curiosity
[04:05:35] <sbryzak> not really
[04:05:40] <sbryzak> i use dia, it's pretty good
[04:05:59] <gastaldi> nice
[04:06:32] <gastaldi> good to know
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[04:13:13] <gastaldi> another question: How do you edit those darn documentation xdocbook files ?
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[07:36:55] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push master 2ece9e9.. Stuart Douglas minor docs
[07:36:56] <jbossbot> git [persistence] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/persistence/compare/b71d6f4...2ece9e9
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[16:13:03] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push master f8644f6.. John Ament Error in POM file, added reference to CI.  Cleaned up event mapping.
[16:13:04] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/3c44c1c...f8644f6
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