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[00:00:23] <jose_home> what will be so new about AS 7?
[00:00:35] <johnament> probably more speed holes
[00:00:36] <stuartdouglas> It will be really really fast :-)
[00:00:38] <mojavelinux> speed
[00:00:48] <gastaldi> I liked the domain concept
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[00:00:55] <stuartdouglas> like jetty / tomcat type fast
[00:00:57] <lightguard_jp> Full EE6 profile
[00:01:00] <mojavelinux> and more correct classpath visibility as well, correct?
[00:01:01] <jose_home> woa
[00:01:19] <bleathem> I AS7 is well integrated with Weld, I'm gonna kiss glassfish goodbye!
[00:01:21] <stuartdouglas> yea, also heaps better / more centralised management
[00:01:31] <mojavelinux> and it will be tested with Arquillian :) so it will be bug free hahahha
[00:01:40] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 6b102d6.. Cody Lerum use templateName when processing freemarker
[00:01:40] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 15140fd.. Cody Lerum page title change on example home...
[00:01:40] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/287fdff...15140fd
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[00:01:45] <jose_home> sounds like elf music
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[00:02:18] <mojavelinux> I think cody timed those commits so he could be like "there, freemarker. now max will stop complaining on twitter" hahaha
[00:02:34] <lightguard_jp> haha
[00:02:44] <clerum> :-)
[00:03:13] <gastaldi> well, gotta go now. BBack later !
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[00:03:36] <lightguard_jp> I think that pretty much concludes the meeting.
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[00:04:09] <clerum> mojavelinux: do you have some time for office hours?
[00:04:16] <lightguard_jp> rruss: Just in time for the end of the meeting
[00:04:17] <mojavelinux> sure thing
[00:04:54] <jose_home> stuartdouglas, one more year to official release of AS 7?
[00:05:08] <johnament> jose_home: i hope not!
[00:05:09] <stuartdouglas> should be faster than that
[00:05:12] <stuartdouglas> hopefully
[00:05:26] <lightguard_jp> I think they're aiming for this year
[00:05:49] <stuartdouglas> we actually have a really tight schedule
[00:06:00] <johnament> well, what does AS 6 fail on? EJB 2.x backwards compatibility?
[00:06:18] <lightguard_jp> No time for fakereplace
[00:07:03] <stuartdouglas> no, not at the moment
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[00:08:37] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push master 5d6f8e2.. John Ament Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/gastaldi/jcr...
[00:08:38] <jbossbot> git [jcr] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/jcr/compare/d3a4a48...5d6f8e2
[00:09:14] <stuartdouglas> running a modified parallel boot version of weld, I got AS7 to start a 10,000 bean war in a similar amount of time AS6 takes to start without a deployment
[00:09:40] <jose_home> woa
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[00:10:16] <rruss> lightguard_jp: trying to avoid action items ;)
[00:10:26] <lightguard_jp> :)
[00:10:33] <mojavelinux> shhh, you aren't suppose to say that :) just think it
[00:10:35] <mojavelinux> hehehe
[00:10:43] <lightguard_jp> haha
[00:10:57] <jose_home> hahaha
[00:11:10] * rruss needs to work on that filter
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[00:12:04] <jose_home> ;)
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[00:12:24] <jose_home> gotta go now guys
[00:12:37] <jose_home> I need some rest
[00:12:37] <jose_home> bt
[00:12:39] <jose_home> by
[00:12:40] <jose_home> bye
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[00:12:47] <lightguard_jp> jose_home: Later
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[00:14:21] <gastaldi> Baco again
[00:14:25] <gastaldi> Back
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[00:29:33] <johnament> are solder snapshots published anywhere?
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[00:31:45] <mojavelinux> yes, they are in maven...you just switch your version to SNAPSHOT
[00:31:51] <mojavelinux> they are adjacent to the releases
[00:32:57] <lightguard_jp> I need to head out, I'll be back online later tonight.
[00:33:29] <johnament> toodles
[00:34:09] <johnament> mojavelinux: how often does CI run?
[00:35:02] <mojavelinux> nightly...you can check the state of ci from the module page
[00:35:07] <mojavelinux> click the orb
[00:36:06] <johnament> ah
[00:36:18] <johnament> does it publish even if tests fail?
[00:38:21] <johnament> oh. how do we get a JCR CI job?
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[00:47:24] <mojavelinux> we have a wiki page for that :) see your friendly module handbook  :)
[00:47:45] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/ModuleInfrastructure#H-HudsonBuild
[00:48:58] <johnament> got it
[00:50:50] <johnament> is the part about emailing Pete my jboss.org info still applicable, or is it more automatic now?
[00:50:54] <mojavelinux> likely doesn't publish if tests fail
[00:51:17] <mojavelinux> uh oh, that should be e-mail shane :)
[00:53:20] <mojavelinux> hudson needs to have a "request build" plugin
[00:53:24] <mojavelinux> that would be nice
[00:54:36] <johnament> maybe its different if you're in redhat, but i don't even see a way to login.
[00:55:20] <johnament> actually another question, do the emails have the internal URLs or the external URLs?
[00:55:52] <johnament> ModeShape sends out the internal stuff.
[00:57:48] <mojavelinux> it's confusing, that hudson instance is just a static frontend
[00:57:53] <mojavelinux> the backend is at a different url
[00:58:19] <mojavelinux> and it has the login, though only for redhat admins...I don't know why we have this strange setup, I guess so we don't get hacked
[00:58:22] <johnament> hudson.qa.jboss.com
[00:58:23] <mojavelinux> but it's a pita
[00:58:52] <johnament> The ModeShape builds have been blowing up since the maven3 migration, i know the URL by heart now
[01:00:10] <johnament> how do i build the jdocbook?
[01:12:46] <mojavelinux> jdocbook:generate
[01:12:52] <mojavelinux> but I think you have to first do a "package"
[01:13:02] <johnament> i just did mvn -Drelease it worked.
[01:13:06] <mojavelinux> jdocbook:generate refreshes the output, it doesn't put it all in place
[01:13:13] <mojavelinux> yep, that activates that sub-module
[01:13:14] <johnament> from doc
[01:13:16] <mojavelinux> yep
[01:13:31] <johnament> just wanted the dirty output
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[01:55:43] <mojavelinux> many of us believe that SOLDER-78 and SOLDER-79 are critical for a Seam 3 final release
[01:55:44] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-78] Provide convenience APIs for creating a bean instance [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-78
[01:55:45] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-79] Provide convenience APIs for injecting into a non-managed instance [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-79
[01:56:06] <mojavelinux> otherwise, we are going to hear a lot of complaints from Seam 2 developers used to such capabilities
[01:56:21] <mojavelinux> plus, lots of modules are duplicating this code
[01:56:25] <mojavelinux> in one form or another
[01:56:33] <stuartdouglas> I had this in solder originally
[01:56:41] <stuartdouglas> Pete made me take it out :-(
[01:56:49] <mojavelinux> we should put the same disclaimer on the top
[01:57:07] <mojavelinux> about discouraging usage, but it's important for extension writers to have IMHO
[01:57:27] <mojavelinux> I mean, our own modules don't work without it, so I'd say it's important
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[01:57:57] <stuartdouglas> I don't think we need a disclaimer, our users are adults, if they need to get a instance without using injection they might as well use our API rather than roll their own
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[02:36:22] <johnament> its funny, because we're working hard w/ JMS to make that not happen so easily
[02:36:32] <johnament> jganoff: marco?
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[02:58:45] <gastaldi> hey all !
[03:08:27] <johnament> gastaldi: can you check the current build?
[03:08:52] 
[03:10:09] <johnament> I don't know if I messed up the merge or what :-)
[03:11:25] <johnament> does jackrabbit have runtime dependencies on lucene?
[03:11:35] <gastaldi> yes
[03:11:47] <johnament> do you know what maven dep?
[03:12:02] <gastaldi> I always point to jBoss Public repo
[03:12:52] <johnament> i'm seeing java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/lucene/search/HitCollector when running the tests
[03:15:44] <gastaldi> let me check that
[03:16:01] <gastaldi> did you placed System.out on RepositorySessionProducer ?
[03:16:37] <johnament> probably, i haven't switched to real loggers
[03:19:16] <gastaldi> yup, I am getting the same error also
[03:19:36] <gastaldi> Strange thing is that my HEAD runs fine
[03:19:57] <johnament> does your head have my modeshape integ?
[03:20:05] <gastaldi> nope
[03:20:09] <johnament> that might be why
[03:20:27] <gastaldi> yeah, maybe some conflict with lucene versions
[03:20:34] <gastaldi> ModeShape uses lucene ?
[03:21:20] <gastaldi> I know it may sound odd, but what if we separate the tests into two new modules ?
[03:21:36] <gastaldi> one module for jackr, and another for modeshape ?
[03:22:28] <johnament> ok, that worked.
[03:22:32] <johnament> i removed the lucene dep.
[03:22:40] <johnament> from modeshape.
[03:24:24] <johnament> oh shoot
[03:24:49] <gastaldi> ?
[03:24:59] <johnament> so there's a weird weld issue
[03:25:13] <johnament> fired events go wide.
[03:25:45] <johnament> so your qualifiers are useless.
[03:26:35] 
[03:26:42] <johnament> WELD-860
[03:26:44] <jbossbot> jira [WELD-860] Fired events are observed by any match. [Closed (Rejected) Bug, Major, Pete Muir] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD-860
[03:26:57] <johnament> take a look at that issue
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[03:29:36] <johnament> gastaldi: and it does fail.
[03:29:43] <gastaldi> org.jboss.seam.jcr.events.JcrCDIEventListenerTest
[03:29:47] <johnament> yes
[03:30:00] <gastaldi> It does not fail in my branch
[03:30:17] <gastaldi> I am running inside eclipse
[03:31:14] <johnament> what about command line?
[03:31:20] 
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[03:33:20] 
[03:33:34] <gastaldi> since Arquillian does not support Weld 1.1
[03:34:16] <johnament> no, it's true of 1.1
[03:34:37] <gastaldi> I wonder why it passes running on eclipse
[03:34:41] <johnament> the issue was rejected, as the spec has a bug in it
[03:34:50] <johnament> No idea
[03:35:06] <gastaldi> have you tried running on eclipse ?
[03:35:36] <johnament> no
[03:35:50] <johnament> hrm
[03:37:40] 
[03:37:51] <gastaldi> let me clean all
[03:38:46] <johnament> just change the expected value to 8.
[03:40:06] <gastaldi> strange.. I run JUST the EventListenerTest and it passed
[03:40:25] <gastaldi> It must be lacking some shutdown issue
[03:40:36] <johnament> oh
[03:40:38] <johnament> its singleton
[03:40:44] <gastaldi> Ah yeah
[03:40:47] <gastaldi> It is :)
[03:40:49] <johnament> so every test is running against it possibly?
[03:41:03] <gastaldi> Could be
[03:41:20] <gastaldi> but we are not manipulating sessions
[03:41:34] <gastaldi> just in CDI EventListener
[03:41:58] <johnament> true.
[03:42:00] <johnament> however.
[03:42:29] <gastaldi> is it calling your @Dispose method ?
[03:42:51] <johnament> the bigger issue is that because the events get fired wide (all matches for type) do we even need the qualifier?
[03:42:59] <johnament> it's possible.
[03:45:54] <gastaldi> I found it !
[03:46:02] <gastaldi> place     @After
[03:46:02] <gastaldi>     public void tearDown() {
[03:46:02] <gastaldi>        carSession.logout();
[03:46:02] <gastaldi>     }
[03:46:16] <gastaldi> And    @After
[03:46:17] <gastaldi>    public void tearDown() {
[03:46:17] <gastaldi>       session.logout();
[03:46:17] <gastaldi>    }
[03:46:24] <gastaldi> it will pass
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[03:48:15] <johnament> I disabled the modeshape test for now
[03:48:38] <johnament> where does the second one go?
[03:48:39] <gastaldi> yeah, that was the only one that failed for me
[03:48:57] <gastaldi> RepositorySessionProducerTest
[03:49:02] <johnament> modeshape requires lucene 3.0.x
[03:49:08] <johnament> jackrabbit requires 2.4.x
[03:49:20] <gastaldi> we should run in separate profiles
[03:49:31] <johnament> problem is that we need to run separate tests.
[03:49:38] <gastaldi> why not two modules ?
[03:49:42] <johnament> i may go the route you described with separate modules.
[03:49:55] <johnament> we'll see.
[03:49:58] <gastaldi> Yes, that might be better
[03:50:08] <gastaldi> as Dan suggested in the mail
[03:50:18] <johnament> arquillian.next is supposed to have a feature to enable/disable tests by profile.
[03:50:36] <johnament> what mail?
[03:50:55] <gastaldi> let me forward that to u
[03:54:27] <gastaldi> sent
[03:55:54] <johnament> yeah, i just saw it
[03:57:43] 
[03:58:42] <johnament> Makes sense to me.  we should have one test in each module for each impl.
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[05:31:48] <gastaldi> WELD-860
[05:31:49] <jbossbot> jira [WELD-860] Fired events are observed by any match. [Closed (Rejected) Bug, Major, Pete Muir] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD-860
[05:31:56] <gastaldi> Oh, fine
[05:32:13] <gastaldi> I was wondering how could jbossbot write these info
[05:52:16] <gastaldi> gotta go
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[06:05:10] <clerum> mojaveLinux: you around?
[06:25:05] <clerum> ended up with something like -             .subject(new FreeMarkerTemplate(new TextTemplate(subject)))
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[06:33:23] <clerum> https://github.com/codylerum/mail/blob/unifiedTemplating/examples/sendmail/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/mail/example/SendMail.java
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[07:14:55] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: ping
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[07:18:52] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: pong
[07:19:11] <lightguard_jp> I got JCR setup, added it to the menu, and got the two logos updated
[07:19:47] <lightguard_jp> logos: JCR and Social
[07:19:55] <sbryzak> awesome, thanks
[07:20:11] <lightguard_jp> As we have code now, we need to get them setup in Hudson / Jenkins
[07:20:27] <sbryzak> yep i've pinged the QE guys about that
[07:20:35] <lightguard_jp> Excellent
[07:20:39] <sbryzak> they should be awake in a couple of hours
[07:21:06] <lightguard_jp> Things are moving along well then :)
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[07:25:06] <lightguard_jp> I'm out for the night, see you tomorrow
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[10:52:06] <mgencur> sbryzak: ping
[10:52:17] <sbryzak> mgencur: pong
[10:52:59] <mgencur> sbryzak: hi Shane, shoul I add a license to tests that I write? (in security module), or leave it without it
[10:53:19] <sbryzak> mgencur: just leave it without it
[10:53:24] <mgencur> ok
[10:53:27] <sbryzak> i think the license.txt is sufficient
[10:53:34] <mgencur> sbryzak: good
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[14:36:16] <jharting1> josefreitas: ping
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[16:34:43] <jose_freitas> mojavelinux: ping
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[16:57:06] <mojavelinux> hey jose
[16:57:22] <jose_freitas> hey :)
[16:57:42] <bleathem> mojavelinux jose_freitas g'morning!
[16:57:48] <jose_freitas> morning
[16:57:52] <bleathem> I'm curious about SEAMFACES-92, SEAMFACES-86
[16:57:54] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-92] remove excessive log messages [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-92
[16:57:55] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-86] Current SNAPSHOT version produces much log messages (for each f:converter and a4j:mediaOutput) [Resolved (Done) Bug, Minor, Brian Leathem] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-86
[16:57:57] <mojavelinux> ah, just read the comment in the issue report
[16:58:04] <mojavelinux> yep, seems like booking needs to be updated
[16:58:06] <mojavelinux> I didn't realize that
[16:58:07] <jose_freitas> dan, do you like me to write those messages on sidebar?
[16:58:15] <mojavelinux> hey, good news then :)
[16:58:30] <bleathem> ok good, the world makes sense again :P
[16:58:38] <mojavelinux> hehehe
[16:59:40] <bleathem> I actually want to augment the warning about failed convertor/validator "augmentation" to link to a sfwk.org page describing the problem with WELD-846
[16:59:41] <jbossbot> jira [WELD-846] Incorrect handling of cyclic dependencies between BeanDeploymentArchives [Closed (Done) Bug, Major, Stuart Douglas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD-846
[16:59:42] <jose_freitas> I'll check if I'm running booking with CR1
[17:00:15] <bleathem> to pre-empt bug reports that @Inject is not working in Converters and Validators
[17:01:08] <jose_freitas> bleathem: I'm using cr1
[17:01:24] <bleathem> hmmm...
[17:01:32] <bleathem> and getting the excessive logging?
[17:01:54] <mojavelinux> ah, the booking is currently using seam-bom 3.0.0.b09 on my end
[17:02:32] <jose_freitas> hm... oh yes
[17:02:43] <jose_freitas> I committed the booking but not the parent
[17:02:53] <jose_freitas> sorry
[17:03:19] <mojavelinux> that's okay...i didn't even know what was going on :)
[17:03:20] <mojavelinux> heheh
[17:04:27] <mojavelinux> how come weld-logger is on the classpath?
[17:04:51] 
[17:06:17] <bleathem> All agreed I close SEAMFACEs-92?
[17:06:24] <bleathem> ^I can close
[17:08:12] <mojavelinux> sure
[17:08:32] <mojavelinux> man, these combined jars are going to cause problems, I can see it
[17:08:57] <mojavelinux> I have to add some exclusions in the booking so it only pulls in the api / impl jars for the dependencies, not the combined jars
[17:09:08] <mojavelinux> you have to go one way or another currently, and it's not a straightforward choice
[17:09:17] <mojavelinux> because some impl jars depend on the combined jars
[17:09:49] <jose_freitas> dan, I removed weld-logger dependency and its working
[17:10:01] 
[17:10:08] <jose_freitas> and I just left it there
[17:10:15] <mojavelinux> ah
[17:10:45] <mojavelinux> I'm running the example right now, confirming it looks good, then i'll commit some small changes
[17:10:51] <jose_freitas> maybe more than 3 weeks because the logging problem was one of the first problems I fixed
[17:12:25] <mojavelinux> yeah, no excess logging messages
[17:12:27] <mojavelinux> good deal
[17:12:30] <mojavelinux> still see this
[17:12:31] <mojavelinux> WARN  [org.jboss.seam.faces.environment.SeamApplicationWrapper] Cannot attempt extension on null
[17:12:51] <mojavelinux> i'm not concerned about the log message being there, but rather that it seems to be telling us nothing
[17:14:03] <jose_freitas> dan, one thing, should I commit my changes on password and register before you start with your changes?
[17:14:16] <jose_freitas> cause now they're working as they should be
[17:14:21] <mojavelinux> yep, go for it
[17:14:42] <mojavelinux> I can merge appropriately...I can take it :)
[17:14:50] <mojavelinux> torture me if you can hahaha
[17:15:16] <mojavelinux> this would be a good time to apply the new code formatter profile to the project
[17:15:33] <mojavelinux> after we get done with the technical work here, how about giving that a go
[17:17:25] <jose_freitas> ok
[17:17:36] <jose_freitas> does someone build a formatter for eclipse?
[17:17:55] <mojavelinux> yes indeed
[17:17:58] <mojavelinux> link on the way
[17:18:06] <jose_freitas> did* someone
[17:18:37] <mojavelinux> https://github.com/seam/build
[17:18:54] <jose_freitas> man, sometimes my english is painful
[17:19:00] <mojavelinux> jason kindly updated those
[17:19:17] <mojavelinux> also note http://seamframework.org/Seam3/DevelopmentGuidelines
[17:19:31] <mojavelinux> it needs some updating, so if something looks inconsistent, please mention it
[17:24:59] <mojavelinux> jose, let me know when you've committed
[17:25:17] <mojavelinux> ah, I see the pull request
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[17:27:36] <mojavelinux> I have a feeling we are going to be doing a lot of bug hunting in the next two weeks :( hey, we can look at it as a learning experience...you'll know seam very well by the time we are done
[17:28:44] <bleathem> there is also this page (w.r.t. eclipse templates):
[17:28:46] <bleathem> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/BuildEnvironment
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[17:33:05] <jbossbot> jira [WELD-846] Incorrect handling of cyclic dependencies between BeanDeploymentArchives [Closed (Done) Bug, Major, Stuart Douglas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD-846
[17:34:20] <josefreitas> which was corrected on 1.2 version, but I couldn't tried yet (as we spoke yesterday)
[17:34:34] <mojavelinux> yep
[17:34:44] <mojavelinux> as for hibernate vs eclipselink, that comment is likely out of date
[17:34:54] <mojavelinux> still of course I recommend hibernate because I think it just works better
[17:35:04] <mojavelinux> but it may actually work w/ eclipse link okay
[17:35:23] <mojavelinux> when you start glassfish, you have to be sure to start the derby database though, since it will try to use that
[17:35:29] <mojavelinux> asadmin start-database
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[17:35:49] <mojavelinux> or in the IDE there is a configuration to have the database start automatically when the server starts (default in netbeans)
[17:35:57] <mojavelinux> that's what jdbc/__default is
[17:36:16] <josefreitas> the conversational text appears when you choose an hotel. but it needs an update indeed.
[17:36:20] <josefreitas> there's no exp/*.html pages
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[17:37:45] <josefreitas> about "3. Consider adding some margin below the main content div so that it doesn't run up against the footer" I'm not sure what do you mean, can you send me a screenshot?
[17:37:47] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master 6819661.. joserodolfofreitas examples-parent pom
[17:37:48] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master c4ec0a3.. joserodolfofreitas UiContainer working with cross-validation as they should work....
[17:37:48] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master 1195ef9.. Dan Allen Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/joserodolfofreitas/examples into jose
[17:37:48] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/8527690...1195ef9
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[17:39:04] <mojavelinux> jose, I noticed that you're version of javaee-booking is listed as -CR1
[17:39:15] <mojavelinux> you should stick to -SNAPSHOT while developing
[17:39:41] <mojavelinux> i'll get back to you on the descriptions in just a moment...currently merging :)
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[17:41:05] <gastaldi> hey folks !
[17:41:56] <bleathem> jose_freitas I can give you a weld-osgi binary I built last week that works with Glassfish 3.1, and fixes WELD-846
[17:41:57] <jbossbot> jira [WELD-846] Incorrect handling of cyclic dependencies between BeanDeploymentArchives [Closed (Done) Bug, Major, Stuart Douglas] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD-846
[17:42:06] <bleathem> It fails if I try and build it today
[17:42:09] <jose_freitas> great bleathem
[17:42:17] <bleathem> must be pulling in some updated dependency
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[17:42:49] <bleathem> is there a pastebin for binary files?
[17:43:13] <jose_freitas> ok
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[17:43:39] <jose_freitas> bleathem maybe you can just mail me with the jar
[17:43:54] <gastaldi> When will Weld 1.2.0 be released ?
[17:44:06] <gastaldi> Beta 1
[17:44:38] <jose_freitas> not sure, what bleathem is sending me is a snapshot version.
[17:45:46] <jose_freitas> not the latest one though
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[17:47:25] <mojavelinux> check weld-dev for questions about weld 1.2
[17:47:28] <mojavelinux> #weld-dev
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[17:48:06] <bleathem> http://misdesktop2.triumf.ca/weld-osgi-bundle-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
[17:48:22] <bleathem> I just turned apache httpd on, on my desktop
[17:48:33] <bleathem> I <3 Linux!
[17:49:58] <bleathem> jose_freitas let me know when you've downloaded it, so I can turn off apache
[17:50:03] <mojavelinux> awesome. tux is my hero
[17:50:22] <mojavelinux> I think it's funny that it's 2011 and we stil transfer files over e-mail
[17:50:34] <mojavelinux> i'm sure if I tweeted it, I would get a million responses of what else I could use
[17:50:37] <bleathem> it's sad really
[17:50:43] <mojavelinux> but I know dropbox is the go to choice atm
[17:50:47] <mojavelinux> I should get myself setup on that
[17:50:50] <mojavelinux> you can also use ubuntu one
[17:50:57] <jose_freitas> bleathem: it's not downloading it
[17:51:01] <bleathem> Our core computing guys refer to our email system as a site filesystem
[17:51:04] <mojavelinux> actually, you know you can share files w/ google docs too
[17:51:08] <mojavelinux> you can upload binary and share
[17:51:10] <bleathem> sarcastically of course
[17:52:05] <bleathem> I wonder if Ubuntu One would work on Fedora
[17:52:12] <jose_freitas> the request to the link you paste it is timing out
[17:52:32] <bleathem> stupid linux :P
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[17:53:13] <mojavelinux> it's probably due to your upstream host restriction
[17:53:17] <mojavelinux> a port block likely
[17:53:21] 
[17:53:33] <mojavelinux> anyway, super short term, just upload to google docs
[17:53:37] <mojavelinux> and share the link
[17:53:40] <bleathem> we've got a pretty open network..
[17:53:46] <mojavelinux> don't say that ! hehehe
[17:53:48] <bleathem> yeah, google docs.  good one!
[17:53:58] <mojavelinux> just say "don't convert"
[17:54:12] <mojavelinux> I think solder CoreExtension should give a summary report of what it vetoed after startup
[17:54:17] <mojavelinux> instead of on each bean
[17:54:31] <mojavelinux> actually, in general we should start thinking about summary reports instead of line-by-line log messages
[17:54:35] <mojavelinux> sysadmins will thank us
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[17:56:08] <bleathem> https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxgvWijVcYmAYzZhOWE5MGYtYTE4OC00MDY1LWEzN2QtY2Q1N2JiNjRjYTE5&hl=en&authkey=CIbQqN0J
[17:56:57] <mojavelinux> ah, I see the logging problem jose
[17:57:01] <mojavelinux> the Logger is slf4j
[17:57:06] <mojavelinux> it needs to be org.jboss.logging.Logger
[17:57:08] <mojavelinux> I'll fix it
[17:58:10] <mojavelinux> then we can clear out that dependency...i'll do that too while I'm at it, then you can review what I changed
[17:58:55] <jose_freitas> hm
[17:59:18] <jose_freitas> ok
[17:59:20] <mojavelinux> don't worry if you are confused by logging...we are going through a...let's say rough patch :)
[17:59:39] <mojavelinux> we've tried about every possible solution out there, and we are trying to zero in on one, and getting every closer
[17:59:40] <jose_freitas> guys, I have a meeting right now. I'll come back in two hours (hopefully)
[17:59:46] <mojavelinux> no problem, go meet!
[17:59:55] <mojavelinux> bring back some coffee and donuts :)
[17:59:57] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[17:59:59] <jose_freitas> np
[18:00:00] <jose_freitas> thanks
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[18:11:16] <jbossbot> git [social] push master d1d1f23.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Added Service Logo
[18:11:16] <jbossbot> git [social] push master 0ebadb7.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Added support for multiple OAuth Services....
[18:11:17] <jbossbot> git [social] push master ad798d8.. Antoine Sabot-Durand Added rebel.xml JRebebl configuration file to gitignore
[18:11:18] <jbossbot> git [social] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/social/compare/dde31ef...ad798d8
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[18:50:18] <mojavelinux> a nice addition to seam booking would be to create a credit card validator w/ bean validation
[18:50:41] <mojavelinux> or some other validation if it's easier or clearer
[19:03:05] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master beead71.. Dan Allen switch logging, use event for data import, cleanup...
[19:03:05] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/1195ef9...beead71
[19:08:06] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master 20c846d.. Dan Allen add note about JBoss Logging prerequisite
[19:08:06] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/beead71...20c846d
[19:17:16] <bleathem> mojavelinux: I've got a credit card validation class I can share to bootstrap that effort
[19:17:28] <bleathem> is there a jira for it?
[19:22:04] <mojavelinux> nope, not yet
[19:22:37] <mojavelinux> actually, I was wondering if there is one in hibernate validator...it should be portable, I would imagine
[19:22:51] <mojavelinux> there really needs to be a validator repository just like a cdi extension repository
[19:23:00] <mojavelinux> where people can grab different validators and reuse
[19:23:12] <mojavelinux> I suggested it to emmanuel at one point, but I think he shot it down
[19:25:19] <bleathem> Too bad, that would be useful
[19:25:26] <bleathem> Don't we have a Seam validator module?
[19:25:33] <mojavelinux> http://docs.jboss.org/hibernate/validator/4.2/reference/en-US/html/validator-usingvalidator.html#validator-defineconstraints-builtin
[19:25:57] <bleathem> @CreditCardNumber
[19:25:59] <bleathem> nice
[19:26:29] <mojavelinux> yep...there are really no other impl of bean validation, so i'm assuming those are always going to be present
[19:26:32] <mojavelinux> atm
[19:26:43] <mojavelinux> would be nice if those were a seperate jar though
[19:26:48] <mojavelinux> since they should be portable
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[19:45:34] <mojavelinux> we should add @Named to the ExternalContext producer
[19:45:40] <mojavelinux> facesContext is available via EL
[19:45:45] <mojavelinux> but externalContext is not
[19:45:51] <mojavelinux> facesContext is made available by JSF itself
[19:46:00] <mojavelinux> so our producer would provide the externalContext
[19:46:03] <mojavelinux> I'll JIRA that
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[19:59:51] <mojavelinux> wow, I can't believe project stage isn't available as an EL variable
[19:59:57] <mojavelinux> and to make it worse
[20:00:06] <mojavelinux> you only get FacesContext#isProjectStage(ProjectStage)
[20:00:18] <mojavelinux> which is impossible to use from EL even with method arguments
[20:00:22] <mojavelinux> because ProjectStage is an enum
[20:00:29] <mojavelinux> sounds like a place for Seam Faces to step in :)
[20:06:33] <cbrock> is JBoss Engineering ops actually reply to emails anymore?
[20:10:35] <mojavelinux> sigh; depends on the phase of the moon I suppose
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[20:46:40] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master 2657cce.. Dan Allen add reset link, add validation, cleanup UI...
[20:46:40] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/20c846d...2657cce
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[21:19:31] <mojavelinux> should seam validation be seam validate instead, to align with the other module name patterns. the jira is already SEAMVALIDATE
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[21:32:31] <bleathem> Is Seam validation tightly aligned with "Bean Validation"?
[21:32:40] <bleathem> if so, may want to keep the names similar
[21:32:49] <bleathem> so people connect the dots
[21:33:38] <mojavelinux> good point
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[21:54:24] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 98a4f93.. Lincoln Baxter, III build success, projects now created in correct directory (and tested, finally), resourceproducer extension now working and tested
[21:54:24] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/dc7b07e...98a4f93
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[22:23:56] <jose_freitas> mojavelinux: ping
[22:24:07] <jose_freitas> I've just got free from the meeting
[22:24:11] <jose_freitas> more than 4 hours
[22:24:35] <mojavelinux> wow, that's brutal
[22:24:41] <jose_freitas> yes
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[22:25:24] <jose_freitas> so, did you take any notes that I should to implement before CR2?
[22:25:35] <jose_freitas> should implement*
[22:26:34] <mojavelinux> I think at this point we need to decide what we want to write in the sidebar areas for the various pages...explain what is going on as it applies to the new architecture (as opposed to the old explainations)
[22:27:10] <mojavelinux> I don't think we need to pop-ups...those can always be weaved back in later, though better in the reference documentation than in the example itself
[22:29:57] <mojavelinux> but I can probably write that up
[22:30:45] <jose_freitas> I can help you with that if you want, we can share by pages, but you'll have to review mine though
[22:31:02] <jose_freitas> especially for language mistakes
[22:31:06] <mojavelinux> k, what might work best is if we identify in an e-mail or document...
[22:31:29] <mojavelinux> which pages we have and what the existing content is
[22:31:34] <jose_freitas> perfect, I'll send you some proposals.
[22:31:37] <mojavelinux> then we can edit it (perhaps a good doc)
[22:31:40] <mojavelinux> google doc
[22:31:49] <jose_freitas> hm
[22:31:55] <jose_freitas> yes, that should be nice
[22:32:04] <mojavelinux> just put the view id
[22:32:33] <mojavelinux> and the current title and content (if any)
[22:32:37] <mojavelinux> and we'll hack it up
[22:33:01] <mojavelinux> title meaning sidebar title
[22:33:12] <jose_freitas> ok
[22:33:16] <mojavelinux> we probably need some new titles, so those will probably get edited too
[22:34:06] <mojavelinux> speaking of writing, I've got to get cracking on an article that was due two days okay (doh!)
[22:34:28] <jose_freitas> ok
[22:34:41] <jose_freitas> I'll invite you now for the document and write the first draft
[22:36:20] <mojavelinux> excellent
[22:53:07] <jose_freitas> one thing I didn't have the time to manage is the arquillian and test code
[23:21:14] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master b969453.. Shane Bryzak rename javaee-booking to just booking
[23:21:14] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/2657cce...b969453
[23:21:16] <sbryzak> guys i renamed javaee-booking
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[23:23:32] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master 71f1f2d.. Shane Bryzak rename module
[23:23:32] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/b969453...71f1f2d
[23:23:53] <jose_freitas> if you think that's better, that's ok for me, but I liked javaee-booking because it has so many features listed from javaee and could bring people that wants to learn javaee6 new way of doing things.
[23:24:46] <sbryzak> it's redundant because seam requires a javaee environment anyway
[23:24:56] <jose_freitas> np
[23:25:39] <sbryzak> also, we shouldn't specify release versions in the trunk
[23:26:16] <jose_freitas> yes, dan told me that earlier
[23:26:17] <jose_freitas> sorry
[23:26:22] <sbryzak> it's ok, i'll fix it
[23:27:01] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master 0880bf1.. Shane Bryzak fix module version
[23:27:02] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/71f1f2d...0880bf1
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[23:28:27] <sbryzak> btw i love the new look of the booking example, way more sexy than the old one
[23:30:11] <jose_freitas> thanks :)
[23:31:18] <sbryzak> the conversation context timeout is extremely short
[23:31:55] <sbryzak> we should bump it up to 10 minutes at least for this example
[23:32:05] <sbryzak> and not show a stack trace when it times out
[23:32:19] <sbryzak> rather a pretty page that says 'I'm sorry, but your booking request has timed out'
[23:32:38] <jose_freitas> thats sounds better
[23:35:34] <jose_freitas> I have to go now, can you send me an email with other issues you might want me to change before CR2?
[23:35:54] <jose_freitas> also, I created a google doc where I'll right some sidebar content proposals
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[23:36:10] <sbryzak> great, thanks
[23:36:11] <jose_freitas> I've shared with dan and you might want to edit it too
[23:36:13] <sbryzak> i'll raise a jira issue
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[23:36:27] <jose_freitas> want me to share with you?
[23:36:31] <jose_freitas> share it
[23:36:40] <sbryzak> sure
[23:36:46] <sbryzak> sbryzak at gmail.com
[23:36:54] <jose_freitas> k
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[23:39:23] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master 68d0054.. Shane Bryzak rename example to seam-booking, import combined jars instead of api/impl
[23:39:23] <jbossbot> git [examples] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/examples/compare/0880bf1...68d0054
[23:39:25] <jose_freitas> done
[23:39:42] <sbryzak> jose_freitas: thanks
[23:40:00] <jose_freitas> bback later
[23:40:02] <jose_freitas> bye
[23:40:06] <sbryzak> cya
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[23:59:09] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master ceaef83.. Lincoln Baxter, III Prototype Help Plugin
[23:59:09] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/98a4f93...ceaef83





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