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[00:06:26] <lightguard_jp> Dan, four hour presentation by Dan. He's good, but that's a long time to present
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[00:11:52] <alesj> sbryzak: ping?
[00:12:07] <sbryzak> alesj: pong
[00:12:18] <alesj> hey
[00:12:30] <alesj> i have Seam3 conversation API in place ;-)
[00:12:36] <alesj> works for Weld and OWB
[00:12:46] <alesj> need to check for CanDI
[00:12:55] <sbryzak> awesome, great work
[00:12:59] <sbryzak> where can i get my hands on it? :)
[00:13:03] <alesj> :-)
[00:13:28] <alesj> https://github.com/alesj/seam-conversation
[00:13:55] <sbryzak> very cool, thanks
[00:14:04] <sbryzak> i'll get that into seam remoting
[00:14:09] <sbryzak> probably the wicket module will need it also
[00:14:51] <alesj> cool
[00:14:56] <alesj> let me know how it goes
[00:15:41] <sbryzak> so just inject SeamConversationContext, and then activate(cid) to use?
[00:16:15] <alesj> ah, yes
[00:16:22] <alesj> i should turn this into @Produces
[00:16:25] <alesj> :-)
[00:16:45] <sbryzak> i'll let you know how i go with it
[00:17:19] <alesj> i'll fix / modify it a bit
[00:17:36] <alesj> ? need to get into this CDI stuff ? :-)
[00:20:09] <lightguard_jp> alesj: Does this hijack the Conversation scope from CDI and control it?
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[00:39:45] <alesj> lightguard_jp: yes
[00:40:00] <alesj> via common, CDI impl agnostic, API
[00:40:28] <lightguard_jp> Very cool
[00:41:11] <alesj> we're testing this for CDI 1.1
[00:41:18] <alesj> if the API is right
[00:41:25] <lightguard_jp> Ah
[00:41:31] <lightguard_jp> That'll be nice to have that extension
[00:41:53] <alesj> i have it working for Weld (obvious) and hacked it also for OWB
[00:42:19] <alesj> which was a bit more work ? basically i now know how OWB works :-)
[00:44:13] <lightguard_jp> Cool
[00:44:26] <lightguard_jp> Is it much different than Weld?
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[00:55:06] <alesj> lightguard_jp: a bit, more static
[00:55:35] <alesj> in weld there are two impl, httpsession based and static map
[00:55:41] <lightguard_jp> alesj: Glad to know compat is being looked at from the start with this one.
[00:56:20] <alesj> well, Seam3 needs this stuff
[00:56:39] <alesj> and since the Seam3 aim is being CDI agnostic
[00:56:46] <alesj> what else can you do :-)
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[01:01:17] <bleathem> lightguard_jp removing those ConversationScoped producers didn't help
[01:01:27] <lightguard_jp> Really?
[01:01:35] <bleathem> yep
[01:01:40] <lightguard_jp> Okay...
[01:01:52] <lightguard_jp> Is catch getting the exception?
[01:02:00] <bleathem> I think so
[01:02:07] <lightguard_jp> Yes, it is, hello, it's in the stack trace :)
[01:02:08] <lightguard_jp> lol
[01:02:10] <bleathem> the error comes up when trying to invoke my handler
[01:02:16] <lightguard_jp> Yeah
[01:02:44] <lightguard_jp> Handlers and all of the catch stuff is dependent scoped
[01:03:08] <lightguard_jp> Something invoking catch has got to be in the conversation then
[01:03:24] <bleathem> maybe it's the Faces/Catch bridge
[01:03:39] <lightguard_jp> Could be
[01:04:02] <bleathem> If I debug an app, how can I tell the scope of a been at a breakpoint?
[01:04:09] <bleathem> Some BeanManager watch maybe?
[01:06:03] <lightguard_jp> maybe
[01:06:05] <lightguard_jp> Not sure
[01:06:24] <lightguard_jp> Time for me to head out though
[01:08:31] <bleathem> cya!
[01:08:38] <bleathem> Im done too
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[01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master f72ad8f.. Cody Lerum Merge branch 'master' of ../master-mail
[01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 22af00b.. Cody Lerum Merge branch 'master' into cody.lerum...
[01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 8e611a2.. Cody Lerum swap name and address args in contact methods. to(name,address) ->...
[01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/8132ed3...8e611a2
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[05:48:35] <nraf_> Hello. I'm having issues getting the short-ly example (in Seam Faces) to work (I've encountered the same issue with other Seam 3 projects) using a new install of JBoss.
[05:49:27] <nraf_> I'm getting an exception as I compile. The log is here: http://pastebin.com/WVVVAAYb
[05:51:19] <stuartdouglas> That appears to be a slf4j versioning error
[05:51:40] <stuartdouglas> is slf4j present in the war? if so remove it and it should work
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[05:57:39] <nraf_> Thanks, that helped however now I'm getting a different exception.
[05:57:55] <nraf_> http://pastebin.com/5YUgNuhf
[06:01:30] <stuartdouglas> are you bundeling javassist as well?
[06:01:41] <stuartdouglas> get rid of it and that should fix it
[06:09:10] <nraf_> Thanks, again that seemed to have gotten me further. I'm still having issues, though. The new log is here: http://pastebin.com/qQP0CNzv
[06:10:03] <stuartdouglas> looks like you need to deploy the datasource
[06:10:21] <stuartdouglas> the should be a file that ends in -ds.xml somewhere
[06:10:59] <stuartdouglas> altertativly you can change persistence.xml to point at default instead of __default
[06:11:12] <stuartdouglas> as __default is the glassfish default database
[06:11:27] <nraf_> Ah, ok. Thanks.
[06:14:03] <nraf_> I'm a bit confused, to be honest. All I did was run mvn on the supplied pom.xml. Was the example written with glassfish in mind or something?
[06:14:06] <stuartdouglas> must be
[06:14:06] <stuartdouglas> there may be a jboss profile
[06:45:27] <nraf_> I tried changing __default to default but still got the same issue. I googled and found that it should be java:/DefaultDS for JBoss but that didn't work as well. Log is http://pastebin.com/dgeaf623
[06:48:47] <stuartdouglas> Sorry, that should have been DefaultDS rather than default
[06:50:54] <stuartdouglas> can you post your persistence.xml?
[06:54:51] <nraf_> http://pastebin.com/huCZwazP
[06:56:10] <stuartdouglas> 2 things, try removing the whitespace around the data source name (although I am not sure if that will help
[06:56:28] <stuartdouglas> and DefaultDS is hsqldb, not mysql
[06:56:42] <stuartdouglas> so probably get rid of the dialect property
[07:03:29] <nraf_> Thanks. Got me further. Now it's throwing a related exception: http://pastebin.com/Nyikvfes
[07:03:52] <stuartdouglas> are you bundling hibernate as well?
[07:07:37] <nraf_> Yes, Hibernate is specified in the pom.xml.
[07:07:56] <nraf_> hibernate-core and hibernate-entitymanager are both there.
[07:08:05] <stuartdouglas> change it to scope provided
[07:08:24] * stuartdouglas has a feeling this demo has not been tested on AS6
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[07:20:31] <nraf_> Okay! A new error this time (a new error that looks quite similar to some older errors). http://pastebin.com/2YwjbjJ7
[07:21:17] <stuartdouglas> Where is the Application_Level_DataSource stuff coming into it?
[07:21:24] <nraf_> Btw, are there any examples out there that will work more smoothly with AS6. I'm not entirely fussed as to what the demo is - I just want a demo that works.
[07:22:30] <stuartdouglas> ./src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/faces/examples/tinyurl/LinkBean.java:   @Resource(name = "java:app/Application_Level_DataSource")
[07:22:41] <stuartdouglas> I would say that is the problem
[07:23:10] <stuartdouglas> delete that field from LinkBean
[07:23:15] <stuartdouglas> it is not used anyway
[07:23:21] <stuartdouglas> GF must just ignore it
[07:28:45] <nraf_> :) It compiled!
[07:28:48] <nraf_> Thanks a ton.
[07:29:48] <nraf_> Now I'm getting a JSF error (must be an old example...) but I should be able to figure out from here.
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[09:13:24] <oskutka> sbryzak: ping
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[10:00:13] <sbryzak> oskutka: pong
[10:00:18] <amitev> guys, did you see the new @Profile functionality in spring 3.1?
[10:01:17] <oskutka> sbryzak: Hi Shane! Could you please add maschmid at redhat dot com to JIRA's JBoss QE group?
[10:01:30] <sbryzak> oskutka: sure thing, one moment
[10:01:38] <oskutka> sbryzak: Thanks!
[10:02:43] <sbryzak> oskutka: is the group called JBoss QA?
[10:03:27] <oskutka> I believe he is in the JBoss QA group. Let me check.
[10:03:45] <sbryzak> ah, yes he is
[10:04:12] <sbryzak> you mean Seam QE?
[10:04:25] <oskutka> Oh, sorry. Yes.
[10:04:30] <oskutka> I meant Seam QE
[10:04:50] <sbryzak> done
[10:04:57] <oskutka> Thanks, Shane!
[10:05:03] <sbryzak> no problem
[10:06:37] <jbossbot> git [security] push master 6be0790.. mgencur at redhat dot com functional test for Simple example
[10:06:37] <jbossbot> git [security] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/a27bd03...6be0790
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[10:24:36] <alesj> sbryzak: any time to look at Seam Conversation?
[10:24:59] <sbryzak> alesj: not yet, though i'll take a look over the next day
[10:25:08] <alesj> sbryzak: ok, np
[10:25:25] <alesj> i'll probably try to add CanDI impl tests as well meantime
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[10:35:07] <nickarls> alesj: where do you have the SC stuff?
[10:35:48] <alesj> nickarls: my git repo
[10:36:04] <alesj> 1sec
[10:36:28] <alesj> https://github.com/alesj/seam-conversation
[10:38:53] <alesj> nickarls: wdyt?
[10:39:40] <nickarls> it is clear which implementation it's derived from ;-)
[10:39:50] <alesj> no way!
[10:39:51] <alesj> :-)
[10:43:05] <nickarls> OWB use some sort of session id for mapping cids?
[10:45:00] <alesj> yes
[10:45:27] <alesj> they have some ConversationService
[10:45:35] <alesj> which serves cids and session ids
[10:45:43] <nickarls> isn't that some sort of spec violation (cids crossing session boundaries)?
[10:45:47] <nickarls> not that it matters.
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[10:46:33] <alesj> hmmm, dunno
[10:46:40] <alesj> i just checked how they handle that
[10:46:42] <alesj> and impled it
[10:47:11] <nickarls> overall design looks ok.
[10:47:25] <nickarls> three different spellings of "conversation" in SCCF ;-)
[10:48:13] <nickarls> do you think the abstraction could be extended to cover more than conversations?
[10:48:32] <nickarls> So if there are other dirty hacks (direct access to BeanManagerImpl required etc)
[10:48:51] <nickarls> the implementations could provid their own way in a similar manner?
[10:49:27] <alesj> sounds reasonable ...
[10:49:45] <alesj> for the start, we would need a new name for the project :-)
[10:50:25] <alesj> but isn't JNDI java:comp/BeanManager already a good way to go?
[10:50:26] <nickarls> "CDI Hacks" - the stuff Gavin told you not to do
[10:50:31] <alesj> hehe
[10:50:47] <nickarls> yes, but that only goes as far as the BeanManager interface
[10:51:12] <nickarls> say we really, really need to do something in the BM that requires access to the implementation
[10:51:20] <nickarls> BeanManagerImpl method call in Weld case
[10:51:52] <nickarls> if you want to be semi-cross-compatible, you need to do it on the other impls as well
[10:52:02] <nickarls> hopefully they also have mehtods for it
[10:52:14] <nickarls> otherwise, there's allways reflection ;-)
[10:54:28] <alesj> which methods do you miss?
[10:54:37] <alesj> on BM
[10:56:47] <nickarls> don't know. It has so many methods, I assumed some of them must be useful
[10:57:25] <nickarls> removing beans from contexts would be popular, too. Not sure that we should allow that, though.
[10:57:40] <nickarls> those that really want them cleared out will find i way to do it anyway
[10:59:44] <alesj> :-)
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[15:43:11] <lightguard_jp> Anyone outside the redhat vpn having issues connecting to repository.jboss.org?
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[16:06:41] <alesj> lightguard_jp: Seam Conversation on CanDI as well ;-)
[16:06:57] <lightguard_jp> alesj: Awesome, that was quick
[16:07:24] <alesj> yeah, but CanDI is closely tight with JSF
[16:07:31] <alesj> so bunch of JSf hacks in there
[16:07:54] <lightguard_jp> That's interesting
[16:08:00] <lightguard_jp> Wonder why they tied it to JSF
[16:08:09] <lightguard_jp> I thought it was a core module of Resin
[16:08:45] <alesj> it is
[16:08:52] <alesj> the logic is fairly simple
[16:08:57] <lightguard_jp> alesj: There really isn't a portable way of doing seam conversation then, is there?
[16:09:00] <alesj> so they should be able to re-write it easily
[16:09:29] <alesj> lightguard_jp: i hack around JSF, but i do need the JSf api ...
[16:09:41] <alesj> but it will work w/o Faces servlet
[16:09:48] <lightguard_jp> You had to do special OWB and Weld hacks too though, didn't you?
[16:09:52] <alesj> or, it already does :-)
[16:10:04] <alesj> not really
[16:10:39] <alesj> OK, Weld is "ours", so the api was somehow borrowed from what we already do
[16:10:52] <alesj> for OWB it was a bit trickier, but the hooks are there
[16:10:57] <alesj> so no real ugly hacks
[16:11:04] <alesj> just had to use what was there in full extent
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[16:13:33] <lightguard_jp> very nice
[16:16:37] <alesj> to make it extra sweet, I also tested Resin4 + Arq from DomDorn with this new SeamCC + CanDi impl ;-)
[16:17:20] <lightguard_jp> Awesome
[16:17:26] <lightguard_jp> Very good stuff
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[17:20:52] <clerum> are their any known issues with solder beta 2 and arquillian-weld-ee-embedded-1.1
[17:21:04] <clerum> was working fine on beta1
[17:21:20] <clerum> but after beta2 arquillian-weld-ee-embedded-1.1 fails but I can do jbossas-remote-6 fine
[17:21:30] <lightguard_jp> I don't know, my tests work, I think others are as well.
[17:21:40] <clerum> arquillian alpha4
[17:22:12] <aslak> clerum, yea, api changed
[17:22:30] <lightguard_jp> Oh, that's right, you need the one from weld
[17:22:36] <aslak> yea
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[17:23:38] <clerum> the pom is here
[17:23:38] <clerum> https://github.com/codylerum/mail/blob/master/examples/sendmail/pom.xml
[17:24:15] <aslak> clerum, use this: https://repository.jboss.org/nexus/content/groups/public/org/jboss/weld/arquillian/container/arquillian-weld-ee-embedded-1.1/
[17:24:43] <clerum> k
[17:28:16] <mgencur_afk> lightguard_jp: ping
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[17:29:27] <clerum> hmm I think that is what was using
[17:29:52] <clerum> line 247 - https://github.com/codylerum/mail/blob/master/examples/sendmail/pom.xml
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[17:32:11] <aslak> clerum, your right.. what's the failure?
[17:32:15] <lightguard_jp> drat
[17:34:01] <clerum> unsatisified dep
[17:34:05] <clerum> https://gist.github.com/869faa6bea854d0fca11
[17:34:21] <clerum> looks like none of the producers from solder are avaiable
[17:34:49] <clerum> runs fine if I do as6 remote and this broke after things were updated to solderBeta2
[17:36:36] <clerum> mvn clean test -Pweld-ee-embedded-1.1 run from https://github.com/codylerum/mail/tree/master/examples/sendmail
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[19:03:34] <lightguard_jp> daniel_hinojosa: ping
[19:04:58] <daniel_hinojosa> nice
[19:05:03] <daniel_hinojosa> thanks
[19:05:16] <lightguard_jp> sure
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[20:50:33] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 4713718.. Lincoln Baxter, III Prototyped signal handling (only works on OpenJDK/Sun JVMs)
[20:50:33] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/02271c1...4713718
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[21:39:33] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Are you around yet?
[21:40:58] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: i'm here
[21:42:46] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot ?
[21:43:08] <sbryzak> no, what is it?
[21:43:20] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: An example output from a "meeting" I had in #jbosstools http://people.redhat.com/~manderse/irc.freenode.org/meetings/jbosstools/2011/jbosstools.2011-02-15-15.24.html
[21:44:14] <sbryzak> interesting
[21:44:16] <lightguard_jp> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-video/2010/debconf-video.2010-08-25-17.58.html
[21:44:28] <lightguard_jp> manual: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#commands
[21:44:46] <lightguard_jp> Looks like a very good way to get minutes and logs of meetings via IRC
[21:44:54] <sbryzak> yeah
[21:44:59] <sbryzak> not for conf calls though ;)
[21:45:22] <lightguard_jp> Hehe, no.
[21:45:44] <lightguard_jp> Need to be able record and transcribe those
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[21:46:23] <sbryzak> i was actually thinking of writing a small seam app for managing meeting agendas, i think it would be a nice example app also
[21:46:51] <lightguard_jp> It occured to me that those are the things we're missing with Seam 3
[21:47:06] <lightguard_jp> We have little examples, but we don't have any "real-ish" world examples
[21:47:43] <sbryzak> they're on the drawing board
[21:47:50] <lightguard_jp> Things to demonstrate how it all plays together, recipes for success (as Dan calls it), etc
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[22:46:07] <lightguard_jp> Is Dan out until Feb 20?
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