[00:06:26] <lightguard_jp> Dan, four hour presentation by Dan. He's good, but that's a long time to present [00:08:39] *** aslak has quit IRC [00:11:52] <alesj> sbryzak: ping? [00:12:07] <sbryzak> alesj: pong [00:12:18] <alesj> hey [00:12:30] <alesj> i have Seam3 conversation API in place ;-) [00:12:36] <alesj> works for Weld and OWB [00:12:46] <alesj> need to check for CanDI [00:12:55] <sbryzak> awesome, great work [00:12:59] <sbryzak> where can i get my hands on it? :) [00:13:03] <alesj> :-) [00:13:28] <alesj> https://github.com/alesj/seam-conversation [00:13:55] <sbryzak> very cool, thanks [00:14:04] <sbryzak> i'll get that into seam remoting [00:14:09] <sbryzak> probably the wicket module will need it also [00:14:51] <alesj> cool [00:14:56] <alesj> let me know how it goes [00:15:41] <sbryzak> so just inject SeamConversationContext, and then activate(cid) to use? [00:16:15] <alesj> ah, yes [00:16:22] <alesj> i should turn this into @Produces [00:16:25] <alesj> :-) [00:16:45] <sbryzak> i'll let you know how i go with it [00:17:19] <alesj> i'll fix / modify it a bit [00:17:36] <alesj> ? need to get into this CDI stuff ? :-) [00:20:09] <lightguard_jp> alesj: Does this hijack the Conversation scope from CDI and control it? [00:24:24] *** lightguard_jp has quit IRC [00:30:43] *** ssachtleben has joined #seam-dev [00:30:51] *** sbryzak has quit IRC [00:36:49] *** lightguard_jp has joined #seam-dev [00:39:45] <alesj> lightguard_jp: yes [00:40:00] <alesj> via common, CDI impl agnostic, API [00:40:28] <lightguard_jp> Very cool [00:41:11] <alesj> we're testing this for CDI 1.1 [00:41:18] <alesj> if the API is right [00:41:25] <lightguard_jp> Ah [00:41:31] <lightguard_jp> That'll be nice to have that extension [00:41:53] <alesj> i have it working for Weld (obvious) and hacked it also for OWB [00:42:19] <alesj> which was a bit more work ? basically i now know how OWB works :-) [00:44:13] <lightguard_jp> Cool [00:44:26] <lightguard_jp> Is it much different than Weld? [00:51:47] *** lukaszlenart_ has joined #seam-dev [00:53:15] *** lukaszlenart has quit IRC [00:53:15] *** lukaszlenart_ is now known as lukaszlenart [00:55:06] <alesj> lightguard_jp: a bit, more static [00:55:35] <alesj> in weld there are two impl, httpsession based and static map [00:55:41] <lightguard_jp> alesj: Glad to know compat is being looked at from the start with this one. [00:56:20] <alesj> well, Seam3 needs this stuff [00:56:39] <alesj> and since the Seam3 aim is being CDI agnostic [00:56:46] <alesj> what else can you do :-) [00:57:33] *** alesj has quit IRC [01:01:17] <bleathem> lightguard_jp removing those ConversationScoped producers didn't help [01:01:27] <lightguard_jp> Really? [01:01:35] <bleathem> yep [01:01:40] <lightguard_jp> Okay... [01:01:52] <lightguard_jp> Is catch getting the exception? [01:02:00] <bleathem> I think so [01:02:07] <lightguard_jp> Yes, it is, hello, it's in the stack trace :) [01:02:08] <lightguard_jp> lol [01:02:10] <bleathem> the error comes up when trying to invoke my handler [01:02:16] <lightguard_jp> Yeah [01:02:44] <lightguard_jp> Handlers and all of the catch stuff is dependent scoped [01:03:08] <lightguard_jp> Something invoking catch has got to be in the conversation then [01:03:24] <bleathem> maybe it's the Faces/Catch bridge [01:03:39] <lightguard_jp> Could be [01:04:02] <bleathem> If I debug an app, how can I tell the scope of a been at a breakpoint? [01:04:09] <bleathem> Some BeanManager watch maybe? [01:06:03] <lightguard_jp> maybe [01:06:05] <lightguard_jp> Not sure [01:06:24] <lightguard_jp> Time for me to head out though [01:08:31] <bleathem> cya! [01:08:38] <bleathem> Im done too [01:08:48] *** bleathem has quit IRC [01:11:01] *** lightguard_jp has quit IRC [01:13:22] *** nraf_ has joined #seam-dev [01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master f72ad8f.. Cody Lerum Merge branch 'master' of ../master-mail [01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 22af00b.. Cody Lerum Merge branch 'master' into cody.lerum... [01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 8e611a2.. Cody Lerum swap name and address args in contact methods. to(name,address) ->... [01:42:37] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/8132ed3...8e611a2 [01:44:06] *** sannegrinovero has joined #seam-dev [01:44:13] *** sannegrinovero has joined #seam-dev [01:56:16] *** ssachtleben has quit IRC [02:10:53] *** sannegrinovero has quit IRC [02:11:51] *** rruss has quit IRC [03:11:50] *** sbryzak has joined #seam-dev [03:11:50] *** sbryzak has joined #seam-dev [03:24:42] *** tsurdilo has quit IRC [03:42:23] *** nraf_ has quit IRC [03:45:20] *** nraf_ has joined #seam-dev [04:12:36] *** clerum has quit IRC [04:14:07] *** nraf_ has quit IRC [04:19:49] *** rruss has joined #seam-dev [04:24:09] *** stuart__ has joined #seam-dev [04:48:52] *** daniel_hinojosa has quit IRC [05:13:19] *** daniel_hinojosa has joined #seam-dev [05:20:25] *** daniel_hinojosa has quit IRC [05:45:54] *** nraf_ has joined #seam-dev [05:48:35] <nraf_> Hello. I'm having issues getting the short-ly example (in Seam Faces) to work (I've encountered the same issue with other Seam 3 projects) using a new install of JBoss. [05:49:27] <nraf_> I'm getting an exception as I compile. The log is here: http://pastebin.com/WVVVAAYb [05:51:19] <stuartdouglas> That appears to be a slf4j versioning error [05:51:40] <stuartdouglas> is slf4j present in the war? if so remove it and it should work [05:52:09] *** daniel_hinojosa has joined #seam-dev [05:57:39] <nraf_> Thanks, that helped however now I'm getting a different exception. [05:57:55] <nraf_> http://pastebin.com/5YUgNuhf [06:01:30] <stuartdouglas> are you bundeling javassist as well? [06:01:41] <stuartdouglas> get rid of it and that should fix it [06:09:10] <nraf_> Thanks, again that seemed to have gotten me further. I'm still having issues, though. The new log is here: http://pastebin.com/qQP0CNzv [06:10:03] <stuartdouglas> looks like you need to deploy the datasource [06:10:21] <stuartdouglas> the should be a file that ends in -ds.xml somewhere [06:10:59] <stuartdouglas> altertativly you can change persistence.xml to point at default instead of __default [06:11:12] <stuartdouglas> as __default is the glassfish default database [06:11:27] <nraf_> Ah, ok. Thanks. [06:14:03] <nraf_> I'm a bit confused, to be honest. All I did was run mvn on the supplied pom.xml. Was the example written with glassfish in mind or something? [06:14:06] <stuartdouglas> must be [06:14:06] <stuartdouglas> there may be a jboss profile [06:45:27] <nraf_> I tried changing __default to default but still got the same issue. I googled and found that it should be java:/DefaultDS for JBoss but that didn't work as well. Log is http://pastebin.com/dgeaf623 [06:48:47] <stuartdouglas> Sorry, that should have been DefaultDS rather than default [06:50:54] <stuartdouglas> can you post your persistence.xml? [06:54:51] <nraf_> http://pastebin.com/huCZwazP [06:56:10] <stuartdouglas> 2 things, try removing the whitespace around the data source name (although I am not sure if that will help [06:56:28] <stuartdouglas> and DefaultDS is hsqldb, not mysql [06:56:42] <stuartdouglas> so probably get rid of the dialect property [07:03:29] <nraf_> Thanks. Got me further. Now it's throwing a related exception: http://pastebin.com/Nyikvfes [07:03:52] <stuartdouglas> are you bundling hibernate as well? [07:07:37] <nraf_> Yes, Hibernate is specified in the pom.xml. [07:07:56] <nraf_> hibernate-core and hibernate-entitymanager are both there. [07:08:05] <stuartdouglas> change it to scope provided [07:08:24] * stuartdouglas has a feeling this demo has not been tested on AS6 [07:11:32] *** rpetruescu has joined #seam-dev [07:20:31] <nraf_> Okay! A new error this time (a new error that looks quite similar to some older errors). http://pastebin.com/2YwjbjJ7 [07:21:17] <stuartdouglas> Where is the Application_Level_DataSource stuff coming into it? [07:21:24] <nraf_> Btw, are there any examples out there that will work more smoothly with AS6. I'm not entirely fussed as to what the demo is - I just want a demo that works. [07:22:30] <stuartdouglas> ./src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/faces/examples/tinyurl/LinkBean.java: @Resource(name = "java:app/Application_Level_DataSource") [07:22:41] <stuartdouglas> I would say that is the problem [07:23:10] <stuartdouglas> delete that field from LinkBean [07:23:15] <stuartdouglas> it is not used anyway [07:23:21] <stuartdouglas> GF must just ignore it [07:28:45] <nraf_> :) It compiled! [07:28:48] <nraf_> Thanks a ton. [07:29:48] <nraf_> Now I'm getting a JSF error (must be an old example...) but I should be able to figure out from here. [07:34:16] *** nraf_ has quit IRC [07:38:57] *** jose_freitas has quit IRC [07:42:26] *** jose_freitas has joined #seam-dev [08:03:17] *** mgencur has joined #seam-dev [08:11:00] *** daniel_hinojosa has quit IRC [08:22:37] *** marekn has joined #seam-dev [08:32:14] *** kpiwko has joined #seam-dev [09:04:01] *** jharting has joined #seam-dev [09:11:59] *** oskutka has joined #seam-dev [09:13:24] <oskutka> sbryzak: ping [09:35:25] *** koentsje has joined #seam-dev [09:43:33] *** alesj has joined #seam-dev [10:00:13] <sbryzak> oskutka: pong [10:00:18] <amitev> guys, did you see the new @Profile functionality in spring 3.1? [10:01:17] <oskutka> sbryzak: Hi Shane! Could you please add maschmid at redhat dot com to JIRA's JBoss QE group? [10:01:30] <sbryzak> oskutka: sure thing, one moment [10:01:38] <oskutka> sbryzak: Thanks! [10:02:43] <sbryzak> oskutka: is the group called JBoss QA? [10:03:27] <oskutka> I believe he is in the JBoss QA group. Let me check. [10:03:45] <sbryzak> ah, yes he is [10:04:12] <sbryzak> you mean Seam QE? [10:04:25] <oskutka> Oh, sorry. Yes. [10:04:30] <oskutka> I meant Seam QE [10:04:50] <sbryzak> done [10:04:57] <oskutka> Thanks, Shane! [10:05:03] <sbryzak> no problem [10:06:37] <jbossbot> git [security] push master 6be0790.. mgencur at redhat dot com functional test for Simple example [10:06:37] <jbossbot> git [security] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/a27bd03...6be0790 [10:11:17] *** mgencur is now known as mgencur_afk [10:17:59] *** stuartdouglas has left #seam-dev [10:23:12] *** stuartdouglas has joined #seam-dev [10:24:36] <alesj> sbryzak: any time to look at Seam Conversation? [10:24:59] <sbryzak> alesj: not yet, though i'll take a look over the next day [10:25:08] <alesj> sbryzak: ok, np [10:25:25] <alesj> i'll probably try to add CanDI impl tests as well meantime [10:28:51] *** kpiwko has quit IRC [10:31:49] *** kpiwko has joined #seam-dev [10:34:56] *** shervin_a has joined #seam-dev [10:35:07] <nickarls> alesj: where do you have the SC stuff? [10:35:48] <alesj> nickarls: my git repo [10:36:04] <alesj> 1sec [10:36:28] <alesj> https://github.com/alesj/seam-conversation [10:38:53] <alesj> nickarls: wdyt? [10:39:40] <nickarls> it is clear which implementation it's derived from ;-) [10:39:50] <alesj> no way! [10:39:51] <alesj> :-) [10:43:05] <nickarls> OWB use some sort of session id for mapping cids? [10:45:00] <alesj> yes [10:45:27] <alesj> they have some ConversationService [10:45:35] <alesj> which serves cids and session ids [10:45:43] <nickarls> isn't that some sort of spec violation (cids crossing session boundaries)? [10:45:47] <nickarls> not that it matters. [10:45:50] *** lukaszlenart has left #seam-dev [10:46:33] <alesj> hmmm, dunno [10:46:40] <alesj> i just checked how they handle that [10:46:42] <alesj> and impled it [10:47:11] <nickarls> overall design looks ok. [10:47:25] <nickarls> three different spellings of "conversation" in SCCF ;-) [10:48:13] <nickarls> do you think the abstraction could be extended to cover more than conversations? [10:48:32] <nickarls> So if there are other dirty hacks (direct access to BeanManagerImpl required etc) [10:48:51] <nickarls> the implementations could provid their own way in a similar manner? [10:49:27] <alesj> sounds reasonable ... [10:49:45] <alesj> for the start, we would need a new name for the project :-) [10:50:25] <alesj> but isn't JNDI java:comp/BeanManager already a good way to go? [10:50:26] <nickarls> "CDI Hacks" - the stuff Gavin told you not to do [10:50:31] <alesj> hehe [10:50:47] <nickarls> yes, but that only goes as far as the BeanManager interface [10:51:12] <nickarls> say we really, really need to do something in the BM that requires access to the implementation [10:51:20] <nickarls> BeanManagerImpl method call in Weld case [10:51:52] <nickarls> if you want to be semi-cross-compatible, you need to do it on the other impls as well [10:52:02] <nickarls> hopefully they also have mehtods for it [10:52:14] <nickarls> otherwise, there's allways reflection ;-) [10:54:28] <alesj> which methods do you miss? [10:54:37] <alesj> on BM [10:56:47] <nickarls> don't know. It has so many methods, I assumed some of them must be useful [10:57:25] <nickarls> removing beans from contexts would be popular, too. Not sure that we should allow that, though. [10:57:40] <nickarls> those that really want them cleared out will find i way to do it anyway [10:59:44] <alesj> :-) [11:29:01] *** sannegrinovero has joined #seam-dev [11:46:24] *** adamw1pl has joined #seam-dev [12:23:29] *** aslak has joined #seam-dev [12:23:29] *** aslak has quit IRC [12:23:30] *** aslak has joined #seam-dev [12:52:36] *** maschmid has joined #seam-dev [13:00:22] *** ssachtleben has joined #seam-dev [13:13:29] *** aslak has quit IRC [13:40:24] *** ssachtleben has quit IRC [13:52:22] *** pmuir has joined #seam-dev [14:13:28] *** aslak has joined #seam-dev [14:23:33] *** jganoff has joined #seam-dev [14:34:32] *** marekn has quit IRC [14:54:12] *** balunasj has joined #seam-dev [14:54:17] *** balunasj has quit IRC [14:54:17] *** balunasj has joined #seam-dev [14:56:20] *** balunasj is now known as balunasj_mtg [15:00:56] *** shervin_a has quit IRC [15:03:40] *** lightguard_jp has joined #seam-dev [15:07:02] *** rruss has quit IRC [15:09:14] *** rruss has joined #seam-dev [15:11:01] *** emmanuel has joined #seam-dev [15:26:19] *** jharting has quit IRC [15:33:56] *** tsurdilo has joined #seam-dev [15:43:11] <lightguard_jp> Anyone outside the redhat vpn having issues connecting to repository.jboss.org? [16:02:56] *** monkeyden has joined #seam-dev [16:03:23] *** clerum has joined #seam-dev [16:06:41] <alesj> lightguard_jp: Seam Conversation on CanDI as well ;-) [16:06:57] <lightguard_jp> alesj: Awesome, that was quick [16:07:24] <alesj> yeah, but CanDI is closely tight with JSF [16:07:31] <alesj> so bunch of JSf hacks in there [16:07:54] <lightguard_jp> That's interesting [16:08:00] <lightguard_jp> Wonder why they tied it to JSF [16:08:09] <lightguard_jp> I thought it was a core module of Resin [16:08:45] <alesj> it is [16:08:52] <alesj> the logic is fairly simple [16:08:57] <lightguard_jp> alesj: There really isn't a portable way of doing seam conversation then, is there? [16:09:00] <alesj> so they should be able to re-write it easily [16:09:29] <alesj> lightguard_jp: i hack around JSF, but i do need the JSf api ... [16:09:41] <alesj> but it will work w/o Faces servlet [16:09:48] <lightguard_jp> You had to do special OWB and Weld hacks too though, didn't you? [16:09:52] <alesj> or, it already does :-) [16:10:04] <alesj> not really [16:10:39] <alesj> OK, Weld is "ours", so the api was somehow borrowed from what we already do [16:10:52] <alesj> for OWB it was a bit trickier, but the hooks are there [16:10:57] <alesj> so no real ugly hacks [16:11:04] <alesj> just had to use what was there in full extent [16:11:26] *** balunasj_mtg has quit IRC [16:11:51] *** balunasj has joined #seam-dev [16:13:33] <lightguard_jp> very nice [16:16:37] <alesj> to make it extra sweet, I also tested Resin4 + Arq from DomDorn with this new SeamCC + CanDi impl ;-) [16:17:20] <lightguard_jp> Awesome [16:17:26] <lightguard_jp> Very good stuff [16:43:33] *** kpiwko has quit IRC [17:03:18] *** daniel_hinojosa has joined #seam-dev [17:03:51] *** pmuir has quit IRC [17:16:01] *** oskutka has quit IRC [17:17:56] *** oskutka has joined #seam-dev [17:20:52] <clerum> are their any known issues with solder beta 2 and arquillian-weld-ee-embedded-1.1 [17:21:04] <clerum> was working fine on beta1 [17:21:20] <clerum> but after beta2 arquillian-weld-ee-embedded-1.1 fails but I can do jbossas-remote-6 fine [17:21:30] <lightguard_jp> I don't know, my tests work, I think others are as well. [17:21:40] <clerum> arquillian alpha4 [17:22:12] <aslak> clerum, yea, api changed [17:22:30] <lightguard_jp> Oh, that's right, you need the one from weld [17:22:36] <aslak> yea [17:22:52] *** oskutka has quit IRC [17:23:13] *** alesj has quit IRC [17:23:38] <clerum> the pom is here [17:23:38] <clerum> https://github.com/codylerum/mail/blob/master/examples/sendmail/pom.xml [17:24:15] <aslak> clerum, use this: https://repository.jboss.org/nexus/content/groups/public/org/jboss/weld/arquillian/container/arquillian-weld-ee-embedded-1.1/ [17:24:43] <clerum> k [17:28:16] <mgencur_afk> lightguard_jp: ping [17:28:22] *** mgencur_afk is now known as mgencur [17:29:27] <clerum> hmm I think that is what was using [17:29:52] <clerum> line 247 - https://github.com/codylerum/mail/blob/master/examples/sendmail/pom.xml [17:30:28] *** mgencur has left #seam-dev [17:32:11] <aslak> clerum, your right.. what's the failure? 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Lincoln Baxter, III Prototyped signal handling (only works on OpenJDK/Sun JVMs) [20:50:33] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/02271c1...4713718 [20:54:29] *** pmuir has joined #seam-dev [20:57:57] *** lincolnthree has joined #seam-dev [20:57:59] *** lincolnthree has left #seam-dev [21:00:16] *** tsurdilo has quit IRC [21:00:42] *** tsurdilo has joined #seam-dev [21:06:15] *** balunasj_away has quit IRC [21:29:34] *** echelog-2` has joined #seam-dev [21:32:39] *** echelog-2 has quit IRC [21:39:33] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Are you around yet? [21:40:58] <sbryzak> lightguard_jp: i'm here [21:42:46] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: Have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot ? [21:43:08] <sbryzak> no, what is it? [21:43:20] <lightguard_jp> sbryzak: An example output from a "meeting" I had in #jbosstools http://people.redhat.com/~manderse/irc.freenode.org/meetings/jbosstools/2011/jbosstools.2011-02-15-15.24.html [21:44:14] <sbryzak> interesting [21:44:16] <lightguard_jp> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-video/2010/debconf-video.2010-08-25-17.58.html [21:44:28] <lightguard_jp> manual: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#commands [21:44:46] <lightguard_jp> Looks like a very good way to get minutes and logs of meetings via IRC [21:44:54] <sbryzak> yeah [21:44:59] <sbryzak> not for conf calls though ;) [21:45:22] <lightguard_jp> Hehe, no. [21:45:44] <lightguard_jp> Need to be able record and transcribe those [21:46:10] *** balunasj has joined #seam-dev [21:46:23] <sbryzak> i was actually thinking of writing a small seam app for managing meeting agendas, i think it would be a nice example app also [21:46:51] <lightguard_jp> It occured to me that those are the things we're missing with Seam 3 [21:47:06] <lightguard_jp> We have little examples, but we don't have any "real-ish" world examples [21:47:43] <sbryzak> they're on the drawing board [21:47:50] <lightguard_jp> Things to demonstrate how it all plays together, recipes for success (as Dan calls it), etc [21:56:35] *** sbryzak has quit IRC [21:59:02] *** rpetruescu has quit IRC [22:01:12] *** sbryzak has joined #seam-dev [22:01:13] *** sbryzak has quit IRC [22:01:13] *** sbryzak has joined #seam-dev [22:02:28] *** daniel_hinojosa has joined #seam-dev [22:09:55] *** ssachtleben has joined #seam-dev [22:20:43] *** tsurdilo has quit IRC [22:21:18] *** nraf has joined #seam-dev [22:30:25] *** nickarls has quit IRC [22:30:26] *** aslak has quit IRC [22:32:14] *** balunasj is now known as balunasj_busy [22:36:19] *** aslak has joined #seam-dev [22:37:52] *** ssachtleben has quit IRC [22:39:58] *** ssachtleben has joined #seam-dev [22:40:00] *** monkeyden has quit IRC [22:46:07] <lightguard_jp> Is Dan out until Feb 20? 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