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[13:17:46] <amitev> anyone from seam-faces?
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[13:59:56] <nickarls> amitev: you can try
[14:00:28] <amitev> i see that there is a support for @ViewScoped in seam-faces
[14:01:14] <amitev> bad thing is i cannot mark a producer method with @ViewScoped. the annotation does not allow it
[14:02:38] <nickarls> what is the FQCN of ViewScoped?
[14:03:13] <nickarls> one would think that it could be applied in the same way as all other scope annotations...
[14:04:25] <jose_freitas> hm
[14:04:45] <amitev> @Target(ElementType.TYPE)
[14:04:53] <amitev> http://www.docjar.com/html/api/javax/faces/bean/ViewScoped.java.html
[14:05:07] <jose_freitas> you may try to create as a dependent scoped
[14:06:51] <jose_freitas> and maybe use a qualifier to not mess up another producers
[14:07:19] <nickarls> or make your own @ViewScoped ;-)
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[14:08:28] <jose_freitas> nickarls, afaik, seam-faces provides cdi support to the @ViewScoped
[14:08:37] <amitev> as javax.enterprise.context.RequestScoped can be applied to @Target(value={TYPE,METHOD,FIELD})
[14:09:16] <amitev> so i can mark a producer method as cdi @RequestScoped but not as jsf @ViewScoped
[14:09:23] <jose_freitas> so I guess using a producer dependent scope should solve the problem
[14:09:53] <amitev> what will happen if the producer has no scope defined?
[14:10:00] <amitev> and what will happen if i use @Dependent?
[14:10:26] <jose_freitas> the dependent scope uses the scope from the invoker
[14:10:43] <amitev> what if the invoker is EL?
[14:11:00] <jose_freitas> hm
[14:11:08] <amitev> i have @Produces @Named
[14:11:58] <jose_freitas> I guess that is not a problem
[14:12:03] <jose_freitas> you can access it
[14:12:13] <jose_freitas> but my guess that it will be a requestScoped
[14:12:33] <jose_freitas> what do you think nickarls?
[14:13:25] <amitev> i'll try it with system.out when the producer is called if i remove the explicit @RequestScoped (which is now there)
[14:14:06] <jose_freitas> ok
[14:14:26] <jose_freitas> tell us what happens
[14:14:42] <amitev> however i think there should be a built-in way to mark a producer as @ViewScoped
[14:15:55] <jose_freitas> yes
[14:17:38] <jose_freitas> you can suggest it on jira
[14:18:29] <jose_freitas> actually there's a issue open
[14:18:29] <jose_freitas> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-44
[14:18:31] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-44] View scope problems, feature needs review [Open, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-44
[14:18:49] <jose_freitas> an* issue
[14:19:39] <amitev> added a vote to it :)
[14:22:33] <jose_freitas> :)
[14:29:27] <amitev> btw @Produces with no explicit scope = @Dependent?
[14:30:17] <nickarls> amitev: should be, yes
[14:30:59] <jose_freitas> yes
[14:31:23] <nickarls> so if you have a @ViewScoped class and a @Produces in it, it should technically be viewsoped (the product), I think
[14:32:36] <nickarls> if you have a @SessionScoped UserBean and do a @Produces User, you will get the same dependent (no proxy) user for the entire session.
[14:32:58] <nickarls> if user is a field in UserBean
[14:35:34] <amitev> so when a producer method is called from EL it doesn't set the product in request scoped
[14:35:50] <amitev> it's other scope that is shorter
[14:37:48] <amitev> idea which one?
[14:39:26] <jose_freitas> as I said before, I guess that is a request scoped
[14:39:51] <jose_freitas> but its just a guess
[14:40:20] <amitev> it's not. it's something shorter :)
[14:41:24] <jose_freitas> shorter than request
[14:41:42] <jose_freitas> hm
[14:41:42] <nickarls> el evaluates in it's own dependent context, I think
[14:42:04] <nickarls> but #{foo.foo || foo.bar} referenced same foo
[14:42:22] <nickarls> and #{foo} #{foo} is different
[14:42:49] <amitev> nice. thx
[14:43:31] <amitev> i missed that in the docs
[14:45:36] <nickarls> 6.4.3 in the spec, I think
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[16:55:31] <jbossbot> git [rest] push master cdcd018.. Jozef Hartinger Added compatibility tests
[16:55:31] <jbossbot> git [rest] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/rest/compare/46f1ccb...cdcd018
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[21:39:14] <clerum> I know there was talk about a seam navigation module
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[21:39:20] <clerum> did that ever more forward?
[21:39:27] <lincolnthree> clerum: it did not
[21:39:31] <clerum> replacement for seam2 pages.xml
[21:39:47] <clerum> k
[21:40:07] <clerum> shot down, or did nobody pickup the ball?
[21:40:20] <lincolnthree> nobody has run with it yet
[21:40:31] <clerum> seperate for faces?
[21:40:36] <sbryzak> clerum: are you asking because of this post? http://seamframework.org/Community/WillSeamSecurity30HaveSecuredPagesFeatureFromSeam2
[21:40:52] <lincolnthree> If a separate module, it needs to be integrated with faces - but it will likely start in faces itself
[21:40:56] <clerum> no, just was working in my seam 2 pages today
[21:41:18] <sbryzak> we still need to address how we secure pages in jsf
[21:41:29] <sbryzak> preferably this month before the CR
[21:41:43] <lightguard_jp> Still need the entity converter and enum converter too
[21:43:40] <clerum> control over conversation propagation
[21:44:50] <clerum> or is the plan to have a page load action that begins the conversation programatically?
[21:45:00] <clerum> supposed I should look into the booking example
[21:47:17] <sbryzak> clerum: that kind of thing would go into the navigation module if we had one
[21:47:25] <sbryzak> but yes, a page action is the workaround
[21:48:15] <clerum> I got to think that will be a deal breaker for people who have become used to the seam 2 way. something to talk about tomorrow
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[23:38:03] <sbryzak> lincolnthree: ping
[23:38:10] <lincolnthree> sbryzak: pong
[23:38:14] <sbryzak> hey lincoln
[23:38:18] <lincolnthree> heya
[23:38:21] <sbryzak> do you think we need a forge forum on sfwk.org?
[23:38:56] <lincolnthree> I won't use it :) (not to sound harsh)
[23:39:05] <lincolnthree> But I find the forums impossible to keep track of
[23:39:07] <sbryzak> what about the community?
[23:39:25] <lincolnthree> Good question that I've asked before.
[23:39:41] <sbryzak> are you subscribed to the seam-forums mailing list?
[23:39:49] <lincolnthree> I'm working on getting a site set up on JBoss.ORG
[23:39:57] <lincolnthree> and no, I didn't know it existed
[23:40:10] <sbryzak> seam-forums at lists dot jboss.org
[23:40:19] <lincolnthree> But I don't really want to put more on sfwk when my end goal is to move everything to jborg
[23:40:22] <sbryzak> all forum posts get posted to that list
[23:40:27] <lincolnthree> However
[23:40:45] <sbryzak> we don't have a final decision on that move yet ;)
[23:41:00] <lincolnthree> I have noticed people sending posts about Seam Forge to the Seam lists
[23:41:06] <lincolnthree> Right, but that's *my* end goal :)
[23:41:14] <lincolnthree> Anyway? yes I see use in it
[23:41:22] <lincolnthree> Yes people will use it
[23:41:35] <lincolnthree> But I already have forge-dev and forge-users
[23:41:47] <sbryzak> i actually have filters set up to separate the posts into different folders depending on forum name
[23:42:00] <sbryzak> as the post title contains [seam-forums] [forum name]
[23:42:28] <lincolnthree> that would work
[23:42:32] <sbryzak> np, just thought it might be useful for you
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[23:42:47] <lincolnthree> that may be enough to change my opinion :)
[23:43:05] <sbryzak> if you like i can go ahead and set up the forum for you
[23:43:31] <lincolnthree> Will it be possible to send messages from that forum to forge-users at lists dot jboss.org instead?
[23:43:35] <lincolnthree> would*
[23:43:51] <sbryzak> i don't think the software supports that
[23:44:07] <sbryzak> i think everything just gets sent to the one list
[23:44:14] <lincolnthree> Drat
[23:44:17] <lincolnthree> Let me think about it
[23:44:23] <sbryzak> sure thing
[23:44:34] <lincolnthree> I've been trying to consolidate communications - thanks for the heads up though! I'll get back to you soon
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