[00:00:13] <mojavelinux> so he's definitely on board to lend a hand...not sure whether he wants to tackle a chess game, but certainly he would help out on something that would be focused on database access
[00:00:24] <mojavelinux> he's very very interested in seeing this work on jetty/tomcat
[00:00:31] <stuartdouglas> yea, I think I will go something simpler
[00:00:43] <stuartdouglas> like a pet store :-)
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[00:00:51] <mojavelinux> noooooooooooooo hehehehe
[00:01:21] <lightguard_jp> twitter clone
[00:01:28] <lightguard_jp> Anything but a pet store, lol
[00:01:46] <mojavelinux> just check the examples idea page
[00:01:49] <stuartdouglas> You really need something that needs conversation scoped PC's
[00:01:58] <mojavelinux> personally I really, really want to see something like a call for papers example
[00:02:00] <mojavelinux> or a conference list
[00:02:07] <mojavelinux> it's a domain every developer understands ;)
[00:02:15] <mojavelinux> well, at least those of us that go to conferences
[00:02:22] <mojavelinux> basically, just events
[00:02:35] <mojavelinux> as for conversation scope
[00:02:39] <mojavelinux> if you have something like call for papers
[00:02:40] <mojavelinux> you have
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[00:03:08] <mojavelinux> bio -> accept agreement -> add paper -> preview -> submit -> add paper -> ...
[00:03:26] <mojavelinux> and then you could go in and edit/update before the deadline
[00:03:31] <mojavelinux> pretty simple and straightforward
[00:04:14] <mojavelinux> I'll add that to the ideas page
[00:04:23] <mojavelinux> so that pretty much covers what I've got for now
[00:04:29] <mojavelinux> I owe several people reviews of things
[00:04:33] <mojavelinux> namely Jason and Brian
[00:04:41] <mojavelinux> getting to that in a few minutes
[00:04:56] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Documentation/ExampleIdeas
[00:05:11] <clerum> *cough*mail*cough*
[00:05:22] <mojavelinux> and mail :) of course, I didn't forget about you
[00:05:43] <lightguard_jp> I released Catch Beta1 last night
[00:05:44] <mojavelinux> btw, cody, I would really love to see an example app that did "send scheduled mail"
[00:05:49] <mojavelinux> I think that would be so dang cool
[00:05:56] <lightguard_jp> Thanks to Shane for uploading the docs and sourceforge bits
[00:05:58] <mojavelinux> just like boomerang :) but that's my bias
[00:06:23] <mojavelinux> I was also thinking to myself
[00:06:32] <mojavelinux> a *very* interesting exercise
[00:06:40] <mojavelinux> would be to take a look at Weld Pastecode and add Seam bits
[00:06:44] <mojavelinux> to simplify the application
[00:06:53] <mojavelinux> that really answers the question, what does Seam provide over standard Java EE
[00:07:02] <mojavelinux> in fact, I think that's a must do
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[00:12:09] <mojavelinux> oh yeah, btw, new jboss tools is out: http://community.jboss.org/en/tools/blog/2011/01/27/jboss-tools-32-cr1--killer-of-bugs
[00:12:46] <lightguard_jp> Anyone seen this one yet? http://seamframework.org/Community/SimpleJee6ComplianceSeamweldDemoProjectIncompatibleOnJbossAndGlassfish#comment147968
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[00:14:00] <clerum> scheduled mail?
[00:15:11] <clerum> as in delayed? or off a cron?
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[00:25:12] <kenfinnigan> mojavelinux: Not going to be able to complete all the API changes for Beta 1 of i18n as I'm almost certain we'll need some changes to jboss-logging-tools
[00:25:36] <kenfinnigan> will be adding some work to get us towards that goal tonight and releasing the beta later (at least attempting to)
[00:26:01] <mojavelinux> great...as long as we are moving in that direction...that's a start :)
[00:26:59] <mojavelinux> lightguard_jp: yes, we need to be clear what works and what doesn't
[00:27:23] <mojavelinux> seam won't work on glassfish 3.0.1, nothing we can do about that until glassfish 3.0.1 is patched
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[00:27:46] <mojavelinux> as for glassfish 3.1, we now expect that solder will not prevent the app from being deployed
[00:27:53] <mojavelinux> however, some features will still not be available
[00:28:05] <mojavelinux> the important part is that the beanmanagerlocator work, as that's what most modules are using
[00:28:14] <mojavelinux> and that's covered
[00:28:26] <mojavelinux> however, the visibility problem is going to affect other modules as well
[00:28:33] <lightguard_jp> Yeah
[00:28:34] <mojavelinux> it's almost impossible not to have a problem with that bug
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[00:28:45] <mojavelinux> because the very nature of app development is that you have different jar files
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[00:29:11] <mojavelinux> and when it hit the problem...well, it really depends on what you are doing
[00:29:32] <mojavelinux> "#glassfish 3.1 RC branch tagged in svn today. we're getting close."
[00:29:43] <mojavelinux> what's the status of that visibility issue...is there a JIRA for it?
[00:29:48] <mojavelinux> is it marked as critical?
[00:29:52] <mojavelinux> we can't let this one slip past
[00:29:59] <mojavelinux> if it's fixed, it nearly erases our glassfish problem
[00:30:05] <mojavelinux> and sets the stage for compliance across the board
[00:30:12] <mojavelinux> we've got to get that one tracked down
[00:30:31] <mojavelinux> pull out your muskets
[00:31:42] <lightguard_jp> Shane said Siva was aware of it.
[00:31:51] <lightguard_jp> That's all I've heard
[00:32:29] <lightguard_jp> I've tried contacting Siva via IM but he doesn't appear to use it much, or hasn't added me :) but if someone else is on it (Shane or Dan) I'll let it alone.
[00:33:21] <jbossbot> git [servlet] push master deb072b.. Dan Allen ignore intellij files
[00:33:21] <jbossbot> git [servlet] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/servlet/compare/6419dd8...deb072b
[00:34:22] <jbossbot> git [servlet] push master 4328ef5.. Dan Allen remove unnecessary dep mgmt
[00:34:22] <jbossbot> git [servlet] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/servlet/compare/deb072b...4328ef5
[00:35:10] <mojavelinux> let's bang the drums on twitter then
[00:35:15] <lightguard_jp> Ah
[00:35:38] <sbryzak> mojavelinux: did you raise an issue in Glassfish JIRA?
[00:35:51] <mojavelinux> I did not
[00:36:01] <sbryzak> ah, we need to get that done urgently
[00:36:40] <sbryzak> did you get the e-mail i forwarded last night?  Siva wants a test case for it
[00:36:46] <mojavelinux> you mentioned that stuart found the line of code...perhaps he could explain it best
[00:36:49] <mojavelinux> hehehe, a test case
[00:36:52] <mojavelinux> that goes to the opentck issue ;)
[00:36:59] <sbryzak> i can't really think of a simple one besides running the solder tests
[00:37:03] <mojavelinux> I was going to commit it there, until we got the cease
[00:37:10] <mojavelinux> it's super easy to duplicate
[00:37:21] <mojavelinux> that's why arquillian rocks ;)
[00:38:22] <mojavelinux> I Just haven't had the bandwidth to pause and write the test
[00:38:23] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: do you think you could raise the issue in Glassfish JIRA?
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[00:39:27] <stuartdouglas> sure
[00:39:41] <mojavelinux> the summary is that "injection points in one bean deployment archive cannot be satisfied by a bean in a separate bean archive, even when they are from libraries in the same module (web archive)"
[00:40:05] <mojavelinux> which is totally insane
[00:40:29] <mojavelinux> btw, I think that's it...I could be missing a piece
[00:40:38] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: i've forwarded you the reply from Siva, to your Red Hat e-mail
[00:40:48] <mojavelinux> arquillian test...create a producer in one jar, injection point in another jar, run arquillian test, boom
[00:41:23] <sbryzak> mojavelinux: it's not quite that simple
[00:41:30] <sbryzak> the description of the problem i mean
[00:41:44] <mojavelinux> I figured I'm missing some piece, but it's along those lines
[00:41:46] <jharting> mojavelinux: I don't think this is generally true, at least I can @inject solder's Expressions in Seam REST module
[00:41:47] <sbryzak> the visibility from beans in /classes to beans in /lib works
[00:41:52] <sbryzak> it's the other way around that doesn't
[00:41:56] <mojavelinux> yes, exactly
[00:41:58] <mojavelinux> that's it
[00:42:07] <mojavelinux> actually, I thought it was
[00:42:09] <mojavelinux> .jar to .jar
[00:42:17] <sbryzak> jar to jar works
[00:42:19] <mojavelinux> oh
[00:42:28] <mojavelinux> ah, yes
[00:42:32] <mojavelinux> right, right, I remember now
[00:42:38] <mojavelinux> because the problem is like w/ a custom ELResolver
[00:42:44] <mojavelinux> you are providing it, but the jar isn't going to see that
[00:42:47] <sbryzak> this is the problem class (thanks to stuart for finding): https://svn.dev.java.net/svn/glassfish-svn/trunk/v3/web/weld-integration/src/main/java/org/glassfish/weld/DeploymentImpl.java
[00:43:00] <jharting> are you sure /classes to .jar should work? isn't it against JEE visibility rules?
[00:43:08] <mojavelinux> still, very possible to demonstrate in arquillian
[00:43:33] <sbryzak> according to some interpretations of section 8.3.1 in the ee spec, it should
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[00:43:57] <jharting> ok
[00:44:10] <mojavelinux> ah, so one workaround (in case it doesn't get fixed for some reason)
[00:44:15] <mojavelinux> is to package your /classes as a jar
[00:44:22] <sbryzak> mojavelinux: exactly
[00:44:43] <mojavelinux> we should add that to the release notes, while we are waiting on the fix
[00:44:49] <mojavelinux> because we will beat the fix out the door
[00:45:17] <stuartdouglas> http://java.net/jira/browse/GLASSFISH-15721
[00:45:21] <mojavelinux> thanks!
[00:45:25] <mojavelinux> btw, I had a suggestion
[00:45:29] <mojavelinux> with the opentck thing is up in the air
[00:45:37] <sbryzak> thanks stuart
[00:45:49] <mojavelinux> I suggested taking the compatibility tests we created for CDITCK-205 and 206
[00:45:51] <jbossbot> jira [CDITCK-205] Add test to verify extensions in non-bean archives are loaded [Open, Minor, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDITCK-205
[00:45:51] <mojavelinux> and now this one
[00:45:52] <mojavelinux> and put them in
[00:46:08] <mojavelinux> org.jboss.seam.solder.compat
[00:46:11] <mojavelinux> in the Solder test suite
[00:46:19] <mojavelinux> that's where we should put the test for this problem too
[00:46:23] <mojavelinux> so we'll have 3 tests
[00:46:25] <mojavelinux> here are the first two
[00:47:12] <mojavelinux> https://github.com/opentck/javaee_cdi/tree/master/src/test/java/org/opentck/javaee/cdi/spi/beforebeandiscovery
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[00:48:29] <sbryzak> mojavelinux: that seems prudent
[00:49:45] <mojavelinux> after all, compat is a core concern of solder....so it makes sense that tests which don't fit anywhere else go there (of course, they should go in the CDI-TCK too, but that is a longer release cycle)
[00:49:54] <mojavelinux> plus, seam developers know arquillian best
[00:50:25] <mojavelinux> I can add those and write a test for the visibility tonight if no one else volunteers
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[00:55:28] <mojavelinux> I have to head out to dinner with the family shortly
[00:56:01] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: later
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[00:57:44] <mojavelinux> btw, modules should no longer have a dep on jboss-logging
[00:57:50] <mojavelinux> when you upgrade to solder beta2
[00:58:10] <mojavelinux> as I mentioned, it's not all quite ironed out yet, but at a basic level it should work ;)
[01:03:17] <mojavelinux> these maven profiles are killing me
[01:03:17] <stuartdouglas> lincolnthree: how do I run seam forrge
[01:03:38] <stuartdouglas> dont worry, found it
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[01:13:18] <jbossbot> git [servlet] push master 0cf6df2.. Dan Allen switch to solder logging annotations; update solder
[01:13:18] <jbossbot> git [servlet] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/servlet/compare/4328ef5...0cf6df2
[01:13:40] <lightguard_jp> Going home
[01:13:47] <lightguard_jp> I'll catch  you all later
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[01:28:32] <stuartdouglas> mojavelinux: Does this mean that jboss-logging is going away?
[01:33:04] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: we've duplicated the jboss-logging classes in solder
[01:33:49] <stuartdouglas> AnnotatedBuilder has this line: private transient AnnotatedMessages messages = Messages.getBundle(AnnotatedMessages.class);
[01:33:55] <stuartdouglas> and it is really slow
[01:34:13] <stuartdouglas> because messages.getBundle is really slow, as it does a class.forName every time
[01:35:47] <sbryzak> where does AnnotatedBuilder come from?
[01:36:21] <stuartdouglas> Solder, it is used in portable extensions
[01:36:38] <stuartdouglas> is there any reason why AnnotatedMessages can't be static?
[01:36:51] <stuartdouglas> I don't really know much about jboss-logging
[01:37:03] <sbryzak> i don't know much either i'm afraid
[01:37:38] <sbryzak> i wasn't involved in the earlier decision-making process to use it
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[02:17:54] <mojavelinux> I wasn't either...but now we have full control (outside of the internal impl)...coordinate w/ Ken and James Perkins
[02:18:38] <mojavelinux> signing off now
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[08:23:10] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-47] Cannot use Solder in Glassfish 3.1 [Open, Blocker, Shane Bryzak] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-47
[08:23:10] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/856000b...7847c57
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[18:01:23] <jose_freitas> hello
[18:01:33] <lincolnthree> hello jose_freitas
[18:01:37] <jose_freitas> I'm taking a look at the http://docs.jboss.org/weld/reference/latest/en-US/html/scopescontexts.html
[18:01:55] <jose_freitas> and didn't find specific info on how to implement a new scope
[18:02:04] <jose_freitas> is there another documentation?
[18:02:34] <lincolnthree> heh
[18:02:39] <lincolnthree> i recently had the same complaint
[18:02:58] <jose_freitas> hehe
[18:03:19] <lincolnthree> basically just create an anotation and put @ScopeType on that annotation
[18:03:25] <lincolnthree> there's your new scope
[18:03:29] <lincolnthree> however
[18:03:41] <jose_freitas> "Implementing a Context is usually a very technical task, intended for framework development only. You can expect an implementation of the business scope, for instance, in a future version of Seam."
[18:03:42] <lincolnthree> you also need to implement an extension that registers the context for that scope
[18:03:46] <jose_freitas> yes
[18:03:54] <jose_freitas> that's what I want o know how
[18:03:55] <jose_freitas> xD
[18:04:54] <lincolnthree> https://github.com/seam/forge/tree/master/shell/src/main/java/org/jboss/seam/forge/shell/project/
[18:04:57] <lincolnthree> take a look there
[18:05:03] <jose_freitas> nice
[18:05:06] <lincolnthree> that shows how to implement a context
[18:05:14] <lincolnthree> and...
[18:05:18] <jose_freitas> oh, and btw, forge will be released on a seam stack?
[18:05:30] <lincolnthree> if you'd like ;) could you file an issue requesting that this kind of information be added to the Weld docs?
[18:05:47] <lincolnthree> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD
[18:06:02] <lincolnthree> yes, forge uses CDI/Weld and Seam Solder currently
[18:06:54] <jose_freitas> thanks lincolnthree
[18:07:10] <lincolnthree> you're welcome jose_freitas :)
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[20:16:29] <lincolnthree> Egregious Solder performance issue: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-69
[20:16:30] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-69] Solder Messages are *extremely* slow in AnnotatedTypeBuilder and AnnotationBuilder, should not be used in such a performance sensitive place [Open, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-69
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[20:17:07] <lincolnthree> sbryzak:  ^^
[20:31:03] <josefreitas> lincolnthree, what do you mean by "EVERY Weld bootstrap." ? when is the situation where it has to bootstrap? I though it starts just once at the beginning of the app
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[20:32:03] <lincolnthree> that's correct
[20:32:05] <lincolnthree> just once per app
[20:32:08] <lincolnthree> but it's painful
[20:32:30] <lincolnthree> upcapsed it
[20:32:32] <lincolnthree> less scary?
[20:33:21] <jose_freitas> yes
[20:34:36] <jose_freitas> hehehe
[20:38:00] <jose_freitas> yet, I didn't think that the messagebundle could be such a pain
[20:38:02] <jose_freitas> well
[20:38:06] <jose_freitas> have to go now
[20:38:11] <jose_freitas> have a nice weekend
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[20:48:00] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master a188274.. Mike Brock Performance fix to ResourceProducerExtension.
[20:48:00] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 03db911.. Lincoln Baxter, III squelching logging for now, solder snapshots in hopes of SOLDER-69 fix
[20:48:00] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-69] Solder Messages are *extremely* slow in AnnotatedTypeBuilder and AnnotationBuilder, should not be used in such a performance sensitive place [Open, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-69
[20:48:01] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/d1b8710...03db911
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[21:45:27] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 2474f03.. Lincoln Baxter, III further log squelching
[21:45:27] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/03db911...2474f03
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[22:24:22] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 4358e70.. Lincoln Baxter, III SOLDER-69
[22:24:24] <jbossbot> jira [SOLDER-69] Solder Messages are *extremely* slow in AnnotatedTypeBuilder and AnnotationBuilder, should be static [Pull Request Sent, Critical, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SOLDER-69
[22:24:24] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/7847c57...4358e70
[22:27:55] <sbryzak> lincolnthree: i've applied your patch to solder, i'll try to get another release out asap
[22:28:11] <lincolnthree> Thanks :) Thought it was worth shouting over
[22:28:30] <sbryzak> yeah, stuart mentioned that particular issue yesterday also
[22:28:32] <lincolnthree> was pretty egregious lol
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[22:38:05] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 482c5d9.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.0.0.Beta3
[22:38:06] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/4358e70...482c5d9
[22:38:17] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master 09f77d8.. Shane Bryzak [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[22:38:18] <jbossbot> git [solder] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/solder/compare/482c5d9...09f77d8
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[23:56:11] <jbossbot> git [security] push master 0f7be33.. Shane Bryzak minor
[23:56:11] <jbossbot> git [security] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/d246aad...0f7be33
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