January 15, 2011  
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[00:05:54] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: ping
[00:41:44] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: pong
[00:42:28] <mojavelinux> holler
[00:42:36] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: Dan?  Wait? so YOU'RE Lincoln's evil twin?! It makes so much more sense now!!!
[00:42:39] <lincolnthree> Holla
[00:42:52] <lincolnthree> >:D
[00:42:56] <lincolnthree> d'oh
[00:42:59] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: changes to the test in that OpenTCK.
[00:43:01] <lincolnthree> that didn't work out
[00:43:12] <lightguard_jp> Any particular reason you changed the asserts from hamcrest?
[00:43:29] <mojavelinux> ah, that's right I was going to add a note about that
[00:43:35] <mojavelinux> no reason, I was coding w/o an ide
[00:43:42] <mojavelinux> and I just knew the import for the junit assert ;)
[00:43:51] <mojavelinux> you'd be amazed how much a code in VIM
[00:44:00] <mojavelinux> I don't have time for the IDE sometimes...hahaha
[00:44:03] <lincolnthree> I use VIM in Eclipse
[00:44:11] <lincolnthree> Best $15 plugin you can get
[00:44:45] <mojavelinux> hmm, sounds enticing, but I bet I would still use vim from the commandline
[00:44:51] <mojavelinux> I don't know what's wrong with me, I'm just nuts
[00:45:20] <lincolnthree> i do too
[00:45:57] <lightguard_jp> IdeaVIM here :)
[00:46:06] <lightguard_jp> I do XHTML / JSF coding in vim lots
[00:46:12] <lightguard_jp> Java code every once in a while
[00:47:29] <mojavelinux> cody, I fixed the doc directory problem
[00:47:30] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: Okay, I'll take what you have and merge them all together
[00:47:35] <mojavelinux> do you need help with the other part :) the dist?
[00:47:42] <mojavelinux> excellent, you just put that up on the github
[00:47:46] <clerum> ok
[00:47:54] <clerum> is that the only issue with the CI stuff
[00:47:55] <mojavelinux> but add the hamcrest back in if you would like, i have no problem with that (to lightguard_jp)
[00:47:57] <clerum> wasn't really sure.
[00:48:01] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: Will do, it'll go up tonight or tomorrow.
[00:48:09] <mojavelinux> seems so...I guess if I just try to build it locally I'll see what the issue
[00:48:09] <clerum> didn't see that the java docs were buiding either
[00:48:23] <clerum> not really sure on the commands to do that
[00:49:24] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: I thought I'd put it in there as it will probably be used as a template for other tests, so I thought I'd give people the full hamcrest instead of the stuff that junit bundles.
[00:49:50] <mojavelinux> I'm looking through it real quick as I will likely recognize what is missing right away (to clerum)
[00:49:59] <clerum> k
[00:50:04] <mojavelinux> definitely (to lightguard_jp)
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[00:57:24] <mojavelinux> why in the world does maven do this?
[00:57:25] <mojavelinux> [INFO] artifact org.eclipse.wst.css:core: checking for updates from central
[00:57:38] <mojavelinux> why is it pulling eclipse crap for docbook? ahaha
[00:57:57] <mojavelinux> we fail on documentation like every other night because of those dumb snapshots
[00:58:25] <mojavelinux> grrrr
[00:58:26] <lightguard_jp> I'd like to know why that's an info log?
[00:58:32] <mojavelinux> seriously
[00:58:49] <lightguard_jp> I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE CHECKING!!! You do that EVERY TIME!! GAH!! :)
[00:58:56] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[00:59:02] <mojavelinux> and why is it pulling eclipse stuff to build a docbook
[00:59:05] <mojavelinux> hello, it's XML
[00:59:14] <lightguard_jp> You'd have to ask Steve about that one
[00:59:21] <mojavelinux> I really don't like docbook's complexity
[00:59:25] <mojavelinux> I'm for just writing documentation in HTML
[00:59:28] <mojavelinux> like wikipedia
[00:59:37] <lightguard_jp> I think it would be easier
[00:59:38] <mojavelinux> HTML + CSS, why do we need docbook again?
[00:59:47] <lightguard_jp> PDF :)
[00:59:53] <lightguard_jp> But that's not really a good reason
[01:00:03] <mojavelinux> but what does docbook have that HTML doesn't that you couldn't create a PDF from it?
[01:00:07] <mojavelinux> I'm pretty sure nothing
[01:00:19] <lightguard_jp> I know there's HTML -> PDF software
[01:00:25] <mojavelinux> exactly, there's tons of it
[01:00:36] <mojavelinux> even if there isn't, you could write a script to go from HTML -> docbook
[01:00:40] <mojavelinux> just to generate the crap
[01:00:45] <mojavelinux> but who reads PDF documentation anyway?
[01:00:51] <mojavelinux> I"m more interested in android and iphone documentation
[01:00:56] <mojavelinux> ebook
[01:01:07] <mojavelinux> PDF is a legacy technology because it can resize
[01:01:12] <mojavelinux> reflow
[01:01:33] <mojavelinux> want a PDF, then just print to PDF from your browser
[01:01:34] <mojavelinux> done
[01:01:45] <mojavelinux> probably looks better anyway
[01:01:46] <clerum> well.
[01:01:50] <clerum> bookmarks are nice
[01:02:11] <clerum> that being the only thing I can think of
[01:02:47] <mojavelinux> wow! print to PDF in chome
[01:02:49] <mojavelinux> looks really nice
[01:02:57] <mojavelinux> all it needs are bookmarks as cody mentioned
[01:03:13] <mojavelinux> but it should be able to duplicate that...surprised it doesn't support <a name>
[01:04:10] <clerum> print to pdf in chrome?
[01:04:19] <clerum> that an ext?
[01:04:37] <mojavelinux> I know lately I sound a bit impatient, but it's my new strategy in 2011, no more time wasting :)
[01:04:43] <mojavelinux> I think it's cups-pdf
[01:04:47] <clerum> ah
[01:04:54] <mojavelinux> but I know that a lot of that depends on how the browser prepares it
[01:05:05] <mojavelinux> so, browser print mode -> pdf sink
[01:05:41] <clerum> as far as I call tell java pdf support is bad right now
[01:05:50] <clerum> with itext relicensing
[01:06:47] <clerum> and pdfbox doesn't support tables easily
[01:07:29] <mojavelinux> interesting
[01:07:45] <clerum> AGPL
[01:09:49] <lightguard_jp> clerum: Ouch
[01:09:52] <lightguard_jp> Not good
[01:09:57] <clerum> still looking for a replacement
[01:10:00] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: Careful you don't burn out
[01:10:15] <clerum> I need to recode my invoices in something else for seam 3
[01:10:16] <lightguard_jp> clerum: PDFBox is probably your best bet, unless you want to do XSL:FO
[01:10:28] <mojavelinux> I should put it more like this, no more time wasters, so that I have more time to relax and not burnout :)
[01:11:22] <bleathem> why not just stick with the old iText, the GPL'ed one?
[01:12:13] <bleathem> vanpool time, gotta jet!
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[01:12:20] <clerum> also an option
[01:12:57] <clerum> I want to rewrite not using the seam 2 jsf templating
[01:13:12] <clerum> and if I'm going to go through the pain I didn't want to do it on a dead end project
[01:15:43] <clerum> maybe someone will fork it
[01:16:03] <mojavelinux> cody, before the release, do you want to switch to APL?
[01:16:14] <mojavelinux> that way, we get it done up front
[01:18:56] <mojavelinux> I think the artifactId names are backwards
[01:19:10] <mojavelinux> instead of seam-mail-api-base what do you think about seam-mail-base-api?
[01:19:15] <mojavelinux> and seam-mail-velocity-api?
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[01:19:26] <clerum> sure
[01:19:34] <mojavelinux> does it make more sense to list the api (qualifier) or the tech (qualifier) first?
[01:19:39] <mojavelinux> anyone else have any thoughts?
[01:20:11] <clerum> I was thinking api last but thats just me...I gotta run
[01:20:12] <mojavelinux> when we bundle, then it makes more sense, to have lke a seam-mail-base.jar and seam-mail-velocity.jar
[01:20:25] <clerum> I'm fine either eay
[01:20:27] <mojavelinux> k, I'm fixing the dist
[01:20:32] <mojavelinux> it requires some voodoo maven magic :)
[01:20:34] <clerum> back in hour or so
[01:20:49] <clerum> icepdf may be an option for seam 3
[01:20:59] <clerum> need to look at it and it's license first too
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[01:22:53] <mojavelinux> I was thinking that
[01:22:59] <mojavelinux> we have a good relationship with the icefaces guys
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[01:29:07] <mojavelinux> yeah! seam mail dist is built
[01:29:12] <mojavelinux> okay, pushing up changes
[01:29:54] <lightguard_jp> I'm out for a bit
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[01:31:31] <mojavelinux> btw, I setup Seam Cron
[01:31:36] <mojavelinux> http://seamframwork.org/Seam3/CronModule
[01:31:42] <mojavelinux> it's the scheduling module
[01:31:44] <mojavelinux> wdyt about the name?
[01:36:26] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 73719f9.. Dan Allen fix the dist build and update dep mgmt
[01:36:26] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/ed6f1a4...73719f9
[01:36:30] <mojavelinux> voila
[01:36:38] <mojavelinux> now the CI should be happy
[01:36:46] <mojavelinux> the butler will be pleased
[01:38:35] <mojavelinux> cody got his blue orb http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Mail
[01:38:39] <mojavelinux> congratulations!
[01:46:56] <mojavelinux> I've introdcued a new team in github called
[01:46:59] <mojavelinux> JBoss Community Integrators
[01:47:12] <mojavelinux> these are community members that have full push and pull access
[01:47:24] <mojavelinux> so when a project member is not able to perform a task, we have some community members who can
[01:47:35] <mojavelinux> jason is the first community integrator
[01:48:17] <mojavelinux> of course, such pushes should have prior approval...but that's probably understood
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[15:52:38] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 496915f.. Lincoln Baxter, III Added docs for command options and piping - both still need more work
[15:52:38] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/3483845...496915f
[15:55:21] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 376e312.. Lincoln Baxter, III Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/justinwyer/forge into justinwyer-master
[15:55:21] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 6be60ae.. Lincoln Baxter, III removed reference doc build from non-dist modules. this is not a necessary change
[15:55:21] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/496915f...6be60ae
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[17:25:20] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master 22cfebf.. Dan Allen fix solder dep; add log deps
[17:25:20] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/wicket/compare/28d9530...22cfebf
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[19:27:16] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master a844a10.. Dan Allen add test infrastructure and update pom config
[19:27:16] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/wicket/compare/22cfebf...a844a10
[19:32:57] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master bdd0819.. Dan Allen remove tab characters
[19:32:57] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/wicket/compare/a844a10...bdd0819
[19:34:15] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master 9518b54.. Dan Allen remove comment
[19:34:15] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/wicket/compare/bdd0819...9518b54
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[19:39:44] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master e395d6d.. Dan Allen SEAMWICKET-11
[19:39:45] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMWICKET-11] numberguess-wicket example allows values outside of the current valid range [Open, Minor, Clint Popetz] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMWICKET-11
[19:39:45] <jbossbot> git [wicket] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/wicket/compare/9518b54...e395d6d
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[19:42:00] <mojavelinux> changes merged from ove
[19:42:13] <mojavelinux> nasty merge, but things seem to be sorted out now ;)
[20:22:53] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 86b9b19.. Cody Lerum remove EmailContact javax.mail.InternetAddress is fine
[20:22:54] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/73719f9...86b9b19
[20:40:29] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 835abae.. Cody Lerum add test for invalid address - SEAMMAIL-6
[20:40:31] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-6] Ensure exception handling is well tested [Open, Major, Cody Lerum] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-6
[20:40:31] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master c7bd3db.. Cody Lerum better control over SendFailedException - SEAMMAIL-6
[20:40:31] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/86b9b19...c7bd3db
[20:42:10] <clerum> mojavelinux: what command do I need to run to get my java docs buidling? http://docs.jboss.org/seam/3/mail/snapshot/api/
[20:42:16] <clerum> locally first I guess
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[21:33:12] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 09caba9.. Cody Lerum fix for ICAL invite attachment format
[21:33:13] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/c7bd3db...09caba9
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