[00:02:48] <lightguard_jp> Good meeting
[00:02:59] <lightguard_jp> While people are here
[00:03:07] <lightguard_jp> I should have brought it up earlier, oh well :)
[00:03:08] <oranheim> mojavelinux: I've integrated seam mail into my app, it works great. The use of subetha is a big blessing
[00:03:34] <clerum> somebody is using mail?
[00:03:36] <mojavelinux> cool! yeah, I really like that find by cody
[00:03:38] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[00:03:42] <oranheim> :)
[00:03:42] <lightguard_jp> The only thing standing in my way for another Catch Alpha (and beta assuming there aren't any bugs) is the idea of stack trace filtering / changing
[00:03:44] <mojavelinux> yes, if you have feedback, please let cody know
[00:03:51] <mojavelinux> k
[00:03:53] <clerum> well waddya know
[00:03:54] <lightguard_jp> I could push it off again and just get the alpha and beta out the door
[00:04:01] <lightguard_jp> Move that feature off for a bit
[00:04:25] <oranheim> what's keeping Mail from alpha/beta release?
[00:04:32] <lightguard_jp> subetha??
[00:04:35] <clerum> docs
[00:04:36] <lightguard_jp> Link anyone?
[00:04:57] <clerum> http://code.google.com/p/subethasmtp/wiki/Wiser
[00:05:04] <clerum> http://code.google.com/p/subethasmtp
[00:05:23] <oranheim> awesome library
[00:05:39] <lightguard_jp> Ah, sweet
[00:05:44] <clerum> for testing. sets up a server to send test messages to. then you can retreive them and verify headers and content
[00:05:46] <lightguard_jp> Better than what Seam 2 had :)
[00:06:01] <lightguard_jp> Seam 2 did something with an MDB
[00:06:07] <lightguard_jp> I think
[00:06:18] <clerum> the jsf templating of seam 2 was limiting in a lot of ways
[00:06:29] <clerum> nice in some ways
[00:06:30] <lightguard_jp> That too
[00:06:33] <clerum> painful in others
[00:07:14] <lightguard_jp> Are we using this in the app or just for testing?
[00:07:17] <marekn> guys, nice is also grean mail http://www.icegreen.com/greenmail/
[00:07:21] <clerum> just testing
[00:08:26] <clerum> ah missed greenmail
[00:08:35] <clerum> looks very similar
[00:08:59] <lightguard_jp> clerum: couldn't we use it for receiving and processing email?
[00:09:13] <mojavelinux> marek, you might be interested that cody has actually made mail so that it can be used also with Seam 2
[00:09:18] <oranheim> from SubEthaSmtp docs: "During the development of SubEtha's testing harness, we tried out the Dumbster software and found that not only was the API difficult to use, it did it not work properly, the developer has not done any development on it in about a year and it does not work reliably on Mac OS X. With two simple classes we re-implemented it as an included project called Wiser.
[00:09:18] <oranheim> We hate reinventing wheels. This should be the LAST FREAKING JAVA SMTP IMPLEMENTATION."
[00:09:19] <mojavelinux> at least parts of it
[00:09:36] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[00:09:47] <oranheim> they claim all other implementations to violate specs, except for subetha that is
[00:10:01] <clerum> I haven't got into retrieving messages yet
[00:10:11] <clerum> but that should really just be reading from a pop3 or imap account
[00:10:27] <clerum> I don't think we want to be receiving
[00:10:32] <clerum> we could poll an account
[00:10:38] <marekn> mojavelinux: :-)
[00:10:58] <clerum> and fire events - https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-8
[00:11:00] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-8] Seam Mail should be able to monitor and receive/process inbound mail messages [Open, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-8
[00:11:12] <lightguard_jp> clerum: Yeah, polling an account and sending events with the message would be great
[00:12:36] <clerum> I'll probably post an seam 2 impl on my github soon
[00:12:49] <clerum> I've been using the api for about 2 months now in a production app
[00:12:53] <clerum> that is seam 2
[00:13:59] <mojavelinux> funny, the only seam 3 module not yet released is being used in production
[00:14:01] <mojavelinux> hahaha
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[00:16:37] <clerum> there mail jira cleaned up
[00:18:27] <mojavelinux> interesting read from the spring guys on social coding with git
[00:18:31] <mojavelinux> http://blog.springsource.com/2010/12/21/social-coding-in-spring-projects/
[00:18:38] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 4f0d0d4.. Cody Lerum update parent and bom
[00:18:38] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 0712329.. Cody Lerum Merge branch 'master' into cody.lerum
[00:18:38] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master 1905074.. Cody Lerum don't serialize EmailMessage
[00:18:39] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/319308d...1905074
[00:18:44] <mojavelinux> any git resource is a good resource, so we'll take it
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[00:23:07] <lightguard_jp> I think my question got lost
[00:23:11] <lightguard_jp> SEAMCATCH-4
[00:23:12] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMCATCH-4] Include the ability to filter stack traces [Coding In Progress, Major, Jason Porter] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMCATCH-4
[00:23:35] <lightguard_jp> Should I try and finish it for this alpha and push a beta out next week, or hold it off for a future beta?
[00:24:46] <mojavelinux> ah, sorry, looking at that in 10 minutes
[00:26:34] <oranheim> mojavelinux: would you be able to merge my wicket patch today?
[00:27:25] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: Wondering if we should put all of the members of the seam org as having write access to all the modules
[00:27:41] <lightguard_jp> That way if you or shane isn't around someone can perform pull requests across modules
[00:28:07] <mojavelinux> that's on the agenda for tonight ;) if you see hours laying around, be sure to mail them to me hehehe..eventually I want to be able to hand over pull request mgmt for wicketwar to Clint
[00:28:29] <mojavelinux> lightguard_jp: we just need more admins basically, so yes
[00:28:42] <mojavelinux> I'll bolster the list :)
[00:28:50] <oranheim> :)
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[00:44:10] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: I'll be heading out soon, you can comment either on the JIRA or email
[00:44:29] <mojavelinux> k, will do
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[03:12:33] <jganoff> Welcome johnament :)
[03:13:16] <johnament> jganoff: just tried to have my laptop turn off its screen, then turn on the external.  didn't go too well.
[03:15:25] <jganoff> What os?
[03:15:48] <johnament> fedora 14
[03:36:21] <jganoff> mojavelinux, Thanks for reminding me about Pete's call for CDI 1.1 features.  Just filed CDI-36.
[03:36:22] <jbossbot> jira [CDI-36] ObserverMethod.notify() does not forward qualifiers for Event [Open, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-36
[03:36:58] <mojavelinux> perfect...glad I thought of it because I didn't plan for thinking about it...your presence just reminded me :) hahaha
[03:37:18] <jganoff> mojavelinux, hahah
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[03:37:43] <mojavelinux> hey john welcome!
[03:37:44] <jganoff> mojavelinux, how's ubuntu 10.10 x64 working out for you?
[03:39:06] <mojavelinux> overall pretty good...i think it works a bit better on my wife's lenovo (ideapad) than my hp envy, but minor stuff
[03:39:14] <mojavelinux> switchable graphics are a pain and a battery suck
[03:39:19] <mojavelinux> so I have scripts to disable that crap
[03:39:51] <mojavelinux> i pretty much don't want any graphics card that sacrifies battery in any way, battery is life
[03:40:04] <mojavelinux> :)
[03:40:20] <mojavelinux> i'll definitely put a shout out for the ideapad by lenovo, freakin' incredible machine
[03:40:25] <mojavelinux> what do you have?
[03:40:35] <jganoff> mojavelinux, I hear ya.  I've recently been having issues with my dell d830 and ubuntu 10.10 x64
[03:40:51] <mojavelinux> thanks for putting in that issue...now I remember exactly where we got stuck on that
[03:40:59] <mojavelinux> we sort of got around that in catch by making our own observer methods ;)
[03:41:01] <jganoff> yep.. I had to dig through my gmail ;)
[03:41:09] <mojavelinux> but we could do something similar in the interim in jms if need be
[03:41:18] <mojavelinux> what issues?
[03:41:20] <jganoff> haha, yes we could, for sure
[03:41:33] <jganoff> mostly related to the video card (integrated intel).  Wont resume after a suspend.  Really frustrating
[03:41:38] <jganoff> I need to spend some time with it
[03:41:54] <jganoff> figure it out but I've been too busy :)
[03:43:18] <mojavelinux> suspend issues just kill me
[03:43:56] <mojavelinux> so far this computer has been reasonable at it, but I haven't given it I thorough lashing...at conferences you go in and out of sleep every hour
[03:44:00] <mojavelinux> and then you really find out
[03:44:10] <mojavelinux> I love when my computer just burns itself to death in the bookbag
[03:44:13] <mojavelinux> when it fails to sleep
[03:44:20] <mojavelinux> I tell it "you deserve it for being so dumb"
[03:44:22] <mojavelinux> hehehe
[03:46:08] <jganoff> haha yea, i hate that :/
[03:46:23] <jganoff> Conferences are definitely a good laptop test
[03:48:15] <mojavelinux> and then hooking to projectors
[03:48:19] <mojavelinux> man, I"ve gotten some strange issues
[03:48:31] <mojavelinux> in the future, I'm just doing everything from my android phone
[03:48:36] <mojavelinux> seriously, that thing is like a rock now for me
[03:48:47] <jganoff> hah.. i already use my android phone for exchange mail/calendar support ;)
[03:48:54] <mojavelinux> I watch tv on it, listen to music, look at patches
[03:49:13] <johnament> my work machine's a suse box.  it likes to forget to sleep too... then i find it in my backpack 2 hours later, about to die :-(
[03:49:19] <jganoff> So on the note of projectors, I had my machine log out, basically a gdm death, while using vmware player and hooked to a projector today.  I've never had that issue before.
[03:49:51] <jganoff> happened twice in 30 minutes.. I switched to a coworker's laptop after that
[03:49:52] <johnament> wow, projectors are the one kind of external monitor i never have issues with.
[03:50:14] <johnament> in fact, it amazes my business users when i'm able to switch back and forth so quickly, yet they can't in windows :-)
[03:50:18] <mojavelinux> I just love when you hook it up and it's like wheel of fortune what resolution you are going to get
[03:50:32] <johnament> yes.
[03:50:33] <mojavelinux> I think they try to make resolutions that don't exist anywhere else in the universe
[03:50:45] <jganoff> hah, yea.. that too
[03:50:58] <mojavelinux> I love when eclipse has to shrug it's shoulders just to fit in that little suitcase of a screen
[03:51:04] <mojavelinux> like, here is the class name
[03:51:07] <mojavelinux> scroll down
[03:51:09] <mojavelinux> here is one field
[03:51:14] <jganoff> lol
[03:51:15] <mojavelinux> scroll down, oh, here is a metho
[03:51:33] <johnament> or even better, private String
[03:51:37] <kenfinnigan> been there
[03:51:39] <johnament> is it a method? or a field?
[03:52:19] <mojavelinux> or wait, in Eclipse
[03:52:21] <mojavelinux> when you right click
[03:52:29] <mojavelinux> you need three screens just to see the options
[03:52:35] <johnament> netbeans, on the other hand for me, likes to simply take the far left window when i resize and make it full dock.
[03:52:45] <mojavelinux> I think "call my mother" is in there somewhere
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[03:53:23] <jganoff> lol
[03:53:23] <mojavelinux> my favorite is this
[03:53:30] <mojavelinux> "Run As..."
[03:53:33] <mojavelinux>  > Junit Test
[03:53:37] <mojavelinux>   > Test NG Test
[03:53:47] <mojavelinux> yeah, because you just can't tell from the class, can you?
[03:53:59] <mojavelinux>  > Run on Server
[03:54:15] <mojavelinux> oh, right, did it say HttpServlet somewhere? because if so I missed that
[03:55:04] <johnament> it sounds like you're under the impression that your IDE should know something about what you're doing.
[03:55:14] <johnament> :-)
[03:57:11] <mojavelinux> I knew I was thinking about it wrong ;) It's like the perfect tool for someone with ADD
[03:57:22] <mojavelinux> you get into the second menu and are like....oh yeah, I need to do that
[03:57:38] <mojavelinux> and then 3 hours later you are like "why did I right click again?"
[03:58:28] <johnament> eclipse just needs to do a little introspecting on your project.
[03:59:00] <mojavelinux> I would actually find it useful to have a plugin that just disables 90% of the features
[03:59:03] <mojavelinux> that would be a great plugin
[03:59:25] <mojavelinux> it would be call amphetaclipse
[03:59:45] <johnament> plugin disabler plugin?
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[04:03:31] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master fc49460.. Cody Lerum Handle errors from sending mail - SEAMMAIL-1...
[04:03:32] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-1] Handle errors from sending mail [Closed, Major, Cody Lerum] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
[04:03:32] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master a483f31.. Cody Lerum Support Multiple From Addresses - SEAMMAIL-10
[04:03:33] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-10] Support Multiple From Addresses [Open, Minor, Cody Lerum] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-10
[04:03:33] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/1905074...a483f31
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[04:07:42] <mojavelinux> it's been a long day, gotta go pass out for a bit ;)
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[05:59:02] <bleathem_> Editing a page on smwk.org, how do I embed an image?
[05:59:25] <bleathem_> sorry, ^sfwk.org
[06:00:00] <bleathem_> ping mojavelinux
[06:02:59] <bleathem_> nvrmnd, it accepted the html <img> tag.
[06:03:09] <bleathem_> I wasn't expecting that to work!
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[08:52:45] <mojavelinux> uploading files to sfwk.org is a huge pain
[08:52:49] <mojavelinux> but yes, you can use just plain html
[08:53:48] <lightguard_jp> mojavelinux: I think your office hours are between 0500 - 0800 UTC
[08:53:59] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[08:54:22] <mojavelinux> okay, this is it, bed time for me...I think I've gotten more done today then I've done in my whole career :) hahaha
[08:54:26] <mojavelinux> it's been a marathon
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[13:03:12] <jbossbot> git [security] push master 0115522.. Shane Bryzak improve OpenID integration with security API
[13:03:12] <jbossbot> git [security] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/security/compare/d232b2d...0115522
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[14:26:49] <jose_freitas> morning
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[16:17:19] <clerum> mojavelinux: I renamed the example dir on mail to fix the CI build. the artifact is the same https://github.com/codylerum/mail/commit/ed6f1a4a7b3704e9a120112da2fa4457f44bd32a
[16:17:20] <jbossbot> git [mail] ed6f1a4.. Cody Lerum rename example directory - SEAMMAIL-9
[16:17:21] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-9] Setup Hudson job for Seam Mail [Open, Major, Martin Gencur] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-9
[16:17:48] <clerum> does that look like it will work? the hudson links in the jira look be behind the wall
[16:19:16] <jharting> mgencur: ^^^
[16:23:22] <mgencur> clerum: this should work, I'll test it
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[16:24:43] <clerum> I need to pull it into the main seam/mail repo
[16:24:45] <clerum> one sec
[16:24:53] <mgencur> clerum: I just noticed it ;-)
[16:25:32] <mgencur> mgencur: if that works, you can close also SEAMMAIL-11
[16:25:33] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-11] root pom.xml is not correct regarding distribution profile [Open, Major, Cody Lerum] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-11
[16:25:34] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master ed6f1a4.. Cody Lerum rename example directory - SEAMMAIL-9
[16:25:35] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMMAIL-9] Setup Hudson job for Seam Mail [Open, Major, Martin Gencur] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-9
[16:25:35] <jbossbot> git [mail] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/mail/compare/a483f31...ed6f1a4
[16:25:39] <mgencur> clerum: ^^
[16:26:45] <clerum> I'll have to check with mojavelinux or someone on the doc directory
[16:28:19] <mgencur> clerum: good, btw, there are mirrors of those hudson URLs: http://hudson.jboss.org/hudson/job/Seam-3.X-mail-CI/ , http://hudson.jboss.org/hudson/job/Seam-3.x-mail-documentation/,  http://hudson.jboss.org/hudson/job/Seam-3.X-mail-nightly/
[16:28:47] <clerum> thanks for the help
[16:28:57] <mgencur> clerum: but count with a delay before the current results get there, at least a fwe minutes
[16:29:17] <mgencur> np
[16:29:27] <clerum> how often does that run?
[16:29:49] <clerum> anytime a new commit goes into github.com/seam/mail /
[16:30:42] <mgencur> clerum: nightly: one a day, documentation: once a day, the CI one polls SCM for changes every 15 minutes and if there is a change it will do a new run
[16:30:55] <clerum> perfect
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[16:43:14] <mgencur> clerum: there is still a problem after renaming the directory: [ERROR] Failed to execute goal org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.5:deploy (default-deploy) on project seam-mail-examples-sendmail: Deployment failed: repository element was not specified in the POM inside distributionManagement element or in -DaltDeploymentRepository=id::layout::url parameter -> [Help 1]
[16:43:50] <mgencur> clerum: more info after running with -X i guess
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[21:21:09] <clerum> mojavelinux: if you could carve out 10 minutes today to help me get my CI (hudson) jobs running it would be helpful
[21:22:39] <mojavelinux> sure thing
[21:22:49] <mojavelinux> I'll touch base with you
[21:23:06] <clerum> cool I'll be around until about 7 EST
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