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[11:54:20] <jbossbot> git [rest] push master e53d326.. Jozef Hartinger Fix seam-tasks-statistics
[11:54:20] <jbossbot> git [rest] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/rest/compare/95c4e1e...e53d326
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[16:22:19] <mojavelinux> sorry I'm late guys...snoozed
[16:22:32] <mojavelinux> :(
[16:33:15] <clerum> looks like everyone did :-)
[16:35:06] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[16:35:22] <mojavelinux> we'll, it's fitting since I was planning on discussing meeting time
[16:35:35] <clerum> :-)
[16:36:12] <clerum> what time are you thinking? later?
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[16:36:49] <clerum> learder is now in australia right?
[16:37:06] <lincolnthree> sorry i'm late
[16:37:15] <lincolnthree> I forgot it was thursday
[16:37:26] <clerum> the meeting or the entire day?
[16:37:30] <lincolnthree> the day
[16:37:36] <clerum> :-)
[16:38:50] <lincolnthree> what did I miss?
[16:38:56] <mojavelinux> nothing, you missed us all sleeping
[16:39:22] <mojavelinux> it was a real nail-biter ;)
[16:39:32] <lincolnthree> i'd pay money to see that
[16:40:21] <clerum> I had some really profound thoughts....but it appears the logger missed them all
[16:40:56] <mojavelinux> they're called dreams
[16:40:57] <mojavelinux> hahaha
[16:41:09] <clerum> that would explain a lot
[16:41:30] <clerum> I code all night in my sleep and when I wake up github shows nothing
[16:41:56] <mojavelinux> hahaha, man, github for dreams, now that would be amazing
[16:42:09] <mojavelinux> I woke up this morning looking for my new Android phone
[16:42:21] <mojavelinux> then I realized, I don't have a new phone
[16:43:36] <mojavelinux> ;-)
[16:44:15] <mojavelinux> so the only other time that would work that isn't in the middle of the night for anyone
[16:44:24] <clerum> I would be sangging a nexus s if I could get one here
[16:44:28] <mojavelinux> is ~ 6PM EST
[16:44:41] <clerum> fine by me
[16:44:45] <clerum> 4PM MST
[16:44:46] <mojavelinux> which is great for west-coasters
[16:44:55] <mojavelinux> are you PST or MST?
[16:44:59] <clerum> MST
[16:45:08] <mojavelinux> ah, same for Rodney
[16:45:13] <mojavelinux> Denver
[16:45:19] <clerum> and lightguard_jp
[16:45:27] <clerum> if he is slc
[16:45:29] <mojavelinux> yep
[16:45:49] <mojavelinux> now, in Brisbane, that's 8AM, but that's a lot better than it being 2AM :)
[16:46:36] <mojavelinux> i'll have shane do a doodle poll to see if we're all in
[16:47:02] <clerum> k
[16:47:16] <mojavelinux> shane might decide the current time is fine for him, then the other option is to stay put, so we'll find out
[16:47:44] <mojavelinux> the other news is that we are going to do a solder release hopefully by this weekend...actually, definitely, even if we don't get all issues resolved
[16:48:21] <mojavelinux> because I think it's more important to have something in maven we can switch to
[16:49:05] <clerum> new parent then too?
[16:49:14] <clerum> hopefully at the same time
[16:49:17] <mojavelinux> yes
[16:49:50] <jharting> mojavelinux: is this release going to be working on glassfish or are there problems on the GF side?
[16:50:42] <mojavelinux> I'm not sure, but my understanding is that the GF issue does not require a change in Solder
[16:51:04] <mojavelinux> or, I should say...
[16:51:23] <mojavelinux> by changing Solder, we don't get a fix...the fix has to come first from the GF side, so we have to try it with the new GF build
[16:51:28] <mojavelinux> then decide what steps still need to happen
[16:51:39] <jharting> mojavelinux: ok
[16:53:43] <mojavelinux> we may need more than one parent release before we can switch over all modules...one that references solder and the existing module versions
[16:54:06] <mojavelinux> then perhaps one that reflects where we will be when all the modules are released...that's a tricky one
[16:55:01] <mojavelinux> as for last week's AI, I haven't gotten to creating the document outlining which changes we want to make to sfwk.org content...still need to get to that
[16:55:43] <mojavelinux> jharting: I saw that you got the catch integration worked out with jason...I'm excited to check that out later today
[16:57:05] <jharting> mojavelinux: It's basically what Jason put into the jaxrs example ported into seam-rest, plus the configuration was adjusted to that
[16:58:01] <mojavelinux> got it...when I first read up on the REST module, my reaction was that the XML config was a bit verbose, partly because it's just more verbose in Seam Config than in Seam 2
[16:58:13] <mojavelinux> but I think with some changes to Seam Config, we may even be able to trim it down more
[16:58:27] <mojavelinux> I forgot to do the XML Config for the Servlet module, so I'll be going back to do that
[16:59:41] <mojavelinux> but if I were coding up an app, I think the Java config would be the way I'd prefer to handle the exception
[16:59:58] <mojavelinux> so we may not have to stress too much about how verbose the XML is
[17:00:23] <mojavelinux> what are your thoughts?
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[17:01:47] <jharting> mojavelinux: I agree that is it definitely more verbose than in Seam 2 (i.e. <s:value tags get repeated over and over) On the other hand I am not sure if this can get better easily.
[17:05:36] <lincolnthree> hey maxandersen, yt?
[17:05:40] <mojavelinux> I agree, that part we might be stuck with, but having the collection producers might make it just right
[17:06:17] <mojavelinux> okay, as for the meeting, I think we are done (if we ever started)...look for a possible meeting time change survey before next week
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[19:32:29] <lightguard_jp> Wow, looks like I missed nothing this morning :)
[19:36:34] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: haha
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[19:48:51] <lincolnthree> just hacking away
[19:48:58] <lincolnthree> mindlessly hacking forward, sir
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[19:49:50] <lincolnthree> I need to dedicate a good amount of time to writing some basic docs and a blog on Forge
[19:50:01] <lincolnthree> after I get Alpha1 out, though, I suppose
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[21:33:43] <mojavelinux> the new Seam 3 logos have been unleashed
[21:33:50] <mojavelinux> http://design.jboss.org/seam/logo/index.htm
[21:40:24] <lincolnthree> niiice
[21:40:32] <lightguard_jp> :)
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[21:57:58] <clerum> seam mail is same as jms
[21:58:54] <lightguard_jp> The image is there, the links are wrong
[22:04:42] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Home
[22:04:59] <mojavelinux> ah, if you see something missing, mention it here
[22:05:13] <mojavelinux> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DESIGN-152
[22:05:15] <jbossbot> jira [DESIGN-152] Seam 3 Module Logos [Open, Major, James Cobb] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DESIGN-152
[22:06:42] <mojavelinux> i'll update the page for the faces module, then module leads can use it as a reference
[22:07:58] <lincolnthree> FORGEEEEEEEE
[22:08:36] <lincolnthree> Seam Forge so wants to be Iron Man
[22:08:44] <lincolnthree> I sense a video coming on.
[22:08:48] <lincolnthree> Dan? Arquillian?
[22:08:54] <lincolnthree> Forge Iron Man video?
[22:16:40] <mojavelinux> actually, I'm thinking something like this
[22:16:40] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/ServletModuleOverview
[22:25:23] <mojavelinux> nice, I also added an h1
[22:25:28] <mojavelinux> so that the page is indexed w/ a title
[22:26:37] <lincolnthree> take alook at what i've done on the forge page
[22:26:48] <lincolnthree> notice the grey bar w/build indicator
[22:27:05] <lincolnthree> I think that's good for right under your header and mission statement
[22:27:08] <lincolnthree> sort of breaks up the page
[22:27:21] <lincolnthree> It could even contain the mission statement, maybe
[22:28:23] <stuartdouglas> Does anyone here use eclipse on mac? And if so have you ever seen it become really slow when switching tabs? And if so it there anything I can do about it other than bang my head against a wall in frustration?
[22:30:23] <lightguard_jp> stuartdouglas: Almost sounds like a memory thing
[22:30:27] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: Where's the forge page?
[22:30:37] <lincolnthree> http://seamframework.org/Documentation/SeamForge
[22:30:43] <lincolnthree> stuartdouglas: I do
[22:30:47] <stuartdouglas> Thats what I thought, but I have bumped it up heaps
[22:31:04] <lincolnthree> i notice eclipse gets slow and I have to close all tabs from now and then
[22:31:10] <lincolnthree> even gets slow when editing
[22:31:11] <mojavelinux> catch module page updated
[22:31:11] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/CatchModuleOverview
[22:31:22] <lincolnthree> mojavelinux: ^^ see comments above
[22:31:32] <mojavelinux> just saw them
[22:31:52] <mojavelinux> dude, we gotta get forge hooked into the sidebar
[22:31:58] <lincolnthree> yeah...
[22:32:00] <lightguard_jp> change gc settings?
[22:32:00] <lincolnthree> well
[22:32:02] <mojavelinux> it should either go under Solder
[22:32:06] <mojavelinux> or under all the other modules
[22:32:07] <lincolnthree> maybe not mojavelinux
[22:32:10] <mojavelinux> I know which one you want to pick :)
[22:32:19] <lincolnthree> since forge is not going to be branded Seam for long
[22:32:26] <lincolnthree> it's going top-level JBoss
[22:32:44] <mojavelinux> ah, as Forge?
[22:32:46] <lincolnthree> yep
[22:32:53] <lightguard_jp> JBoss Forge?
[22:32:57] <lincolnthree> just like Arquillian
[22:33:00] <lincolnthree> "Forge"
[22:33:05] <lincolnthree> JBoss Forge if you like
[22:33:08] <mojavelinux> hmm, it's still pretty important to get that hooked in, but Arquillian has the same issue on this site
[22:33:20] <mojavelinux> no good place to put it...perhaps a tooling link?
[22:33:26] <mojavelinux> and not that stupid link that's there already
[22:33:30] <mojavelinux> that's so out of place no one sees it
[22:33:31] <lincolnthree> a sidebar link to the home-page wouldn't be bad
[22:33:45] <mojavelinux> I want to remove the Tools navigation entry
[22:33:51] <lincolnthree> do it
[22:33:51] <mojavelinux> it's so ambigious
[22:33:52] <lincolnthree> it's stupid
[22:33:57] <lincolnthree> and at the bottom
[22:34:01] <lincolnthree> it scrolls off my screen
[22:34:14] <mojavelinux> it should be like this
[22:34:17] <mojavelinux> Seam 3 > Tools
[22:34:29] <mojavelinux> how about
[22:34:44] <mojavelinux> Download, Documentation, *Tools*, Solder, * Module, ..., Module Handbook
[22:34:55] <mojavelinux> it' logical
[22:35:03] <mojavelinux> you get a download, you get some docs, then you need some tools
[22:35:23] <mojavelinux> and yes, tools could come first in that, but when people check out a project, they first want to know that it can be obtained
[22:35:32] <mojavelinux> hence why downloads and docs come first
[22:35:38] <mojavelinux> though I still think that download and docs should point to the same page
[22:35:57] <mojavelinux> on the tools page, I think we need like a two pane view
[22:36:03] <mojavelinux> JBoss Tools on left, Forge on right
[22:36:18] <mojavelinux> just kind of a "busy visitor" kind of page
[22:36:26] <mojavelinux> no reading required, just two big buttons
[22:37:15] <mojavelinux> I don't really like the bar
[22:37:20] <mojavelinux> I like the *idea* of the bar
[22:37:24] <mojavelinux> but it doesn't look right as is
[22:37:27] <mojavelinux> perhaps just a rule
[22:37:37] <mojavelinux> as in horizontal rule...i'll play around
[22:40:13] <lincolnthree> ok
[22:40:18] <lincolnthree> i like the Tools page idea
[22:40:27] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/CatchModuleOverview
[22:40:38] <mojavelinux> I'm not sure "Key links" is the right header, but having that helps too
[22:40:45] <mojavelinux> if you have a better header name, shoot
[22:42:43] <bleathem> mojavelinux: have you had a chance to look at the Faces/Catch integration?
[22:43:47] <lincolnthree> Do you ever forget where to put beans.xml in a Web Application? #SeamForge can help: http://pastebin.com/ceLB6zPe
[22:44:06] <lincolnthree> mojavelinux: i like the horizontal rule
[22:44:09] <mojavelinux> not yet, I have to do a bunch of catch reviewing tonight/early tomorrow
[22:45:50] <bleathem> what do you guys use for reviewing?
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[22:48:51] <lincolnthree> bleathem: reviewing code?
[22:49:01] <bleathem> yep
[22:49:08] <bleathem> garret or something similiar?
[22:49:13] <lincolnthree> we check it out
[22:49:13] <stuartdouglas> lincolnthree: In your forge thing you just posted on twitter, webapp/META-INF/beans.xml is not really correct
[22:49:23] <lincolnthree> yeah I just realized that...
[22:49:27] <stuartdouglas> should be webapp/WEB-INF/beans.xml
[22:49:28] <lincolnthree> should be WEB-INF
[22:52:08] <Nik> misplaced/missing beans.xml and importing jsf scope annotation will probably account for a lot of grief for newcomers.
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[23:05:16] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Tooling
[23:05:49] <mojavelinux> feel free to tweek
[23:06:01] <lincolnthree> the logos bleed off the side of the page :/
[23:06:05] <mojavelinux> I'm not sure whether to cool it "Tooling" or "Developer Tooling", but the former won because it's less to type
[23:06:16] <lincolnthree> tooling is good
[23:06:21] <mojavelinux> oops, I didn't test low res
[23:07:48] <Nik> searching for "hal" on images.google.com gives a lot of forge logos ;-)
[23:08:34] <lincolnthree> I can't do that, Dave.
[23:09:05] <mojavelinux> good enough for gov't work
[23:09:15] <lincolnthree> http://bit.ly/ikxdfD
[23:09:23] <lincolnthree> I thought this was funny ^^
[23:09:50] <mojavelinux> hehehe
[23:10:01] <mojavelinux> I think you need a little bit better standalone description for forge
[23:10:04] <mojavelinux> also, we should have a screenshot
[23:10:07] <mojavelinux> people need to see it
[23:10:13] <mojavelinux> I'll find a jboss tools screen to grab
[23:10:23] <mojavelinux> send me your forge welcome screenshot
[23:10:50] <lincolnthree> mojavelinux: much better
[23:10:53] <lincolnthree> 1 sec
[23:11:00] <mojavelinux> ~300px width
[23:11:20] <mojavelinux> I freakin' hate working with CSS
[23:11:24] <mojavelinux> not because I don't appreciate it
[23:11:26] <mojavelinux> it's good, I just suck
[23:11:55] <mojavelinux> doh!
[23:12:03] <mojavelinux> it changed my link to link to the full size image
[23:12:06] <mojavelinux> stupid sfwk.org
[23:12:15] <lincolnthree> it looks correct to me
[23:12:26] <mojavelinux> guess I have to resize them manually
[23:12:35] <lincolnthree> try refresh
[23:12:36] <lincolnthree> it looks correct
[23:41:39] <mojavelinux> did what Lincoln and I hacked together
[23:41:40] <mojavelinux> http://seamframework.org/Seam3/Tooling
[23:42:02] <lincolnthree> dig?
[23:44:04] <lightguard_jp> +1
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