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[09:15:25] <stuartdouglas> sbryzak: you there?
[09:15:41] <sbryzak> stuartdouglas: hey stuart, i'm here
[09:16:25] <stuartdouglas> do you have admin permission on seam solder?
[09:16:34] <sbryzak> i don't think so
[09:16:42] <stuartdouglas> ok, I will email Pete
[09:17:05] <stuartdouglas> When it changed from weldx I lost my permissions
[09:17:18] <sbryzak> ah, he should be online shortly anyway
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[17:09:50] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: Are we getting close with Solder on GF?
[17:10:02] <pmuir> re the emails?
[17:10:47] <lightguard_jp> Yes
[17:11:08] <pmuir> yeah i spoke to siva on im this morning
[17:11:18] <pmuir> we found the problem, and he knows how to fix it now
[17:11:26] <pmuir> he is on vacation til monday so will look at it then
[17:12:41] <lightguard_jp> Sweet!  What was the underlying issue?
[17:13:02] <pmuir> a misunderstanding of how one of the weld container spis worked
[17:13:35] <lightguard_jp> Ah
[17:13:40] <lightguard_jp> Glad we got it fixed
[17:13:42] <pmuir> bascially if an extension lives in an archive with no beans.xml, Weld needs to know what it's visibility is to all the other beans deployed
[17:13:48] <pmuir> it can't work that out obviously
[17:13:51] <lightguard_jp> Has anyone tried deploying it on Resin?
[17:13:54] <pmuir> so it asks the container to tell it
[17:14:18] <lightguard_jp> Is there no TCK test for that?
[17:14:20] <pmuir> the spi isn't very well described I think, as this has confused a lot of people ;-)
[17:14:23] <pmuir> no
[17:14:39] <lightguard_jp> :( Should be
[17:15:07] <pmuir> yeah, all of extension stuff is lightly tested in the tck
[17:15:10] <lightguard_jp> I also had a problem with weld-servlet-1.0.1 on tomcat 7 with a Mojarra 2.0.2 app.  JSF couldn't intialize
[17:15:26] <pmuir> to give you an idea, ejb tck has >5000 tests, CDI has around 1000
[17:15:27] <lightguard_jp> It dies trying to get the Application factory
[17:15:38] <pmuir> suggest you try a 1.1.0 release
[17:15:49] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: i think that's a jndi issue, but yeah
[17:15:56] <lincolnthree> i ran in to that a while ago
[17:16:00] <lightguard_jp> Ouch, but even with that many tests there's still a large discrepency between EJB impls
[17:16:06] <pmuir> yes
[17:16:16] <pmuir> i think the cdi tests are more "real use case" orientated
[17:16:18] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: a 1.1.0 release has it fixed?
[17:16:25] <pmuir> i.e. test real things the spec does
[17:16:29] <pmuir> so that helps
[17:16:32] <lightguard_jp> We just didn't get the extension tests?
[17:16:36] <pmuir> but tcks never can delve into the depths
[17:16:48] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: yes, I believe the JNDI stuff is a lot more stable in 1.1.0
[17:16:50] <lightguard_jp> Is that a JCP issue?
[17:16:58] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: how do you mean?
[17:17:00] <lightguard_jp> Seems like you'd want the most complete test suite you can get
[17:17:07] <pmuir> yeah
[17:17:12] <pmuir> i also want the moon on a stick
[17:17:22] <pmuir> doesn't mean we can deliver with real time constraints
[17:17:22] <lightguard_jp> hehe
[17:17:29] <lincolnthree> pmuir: you mean you don't have one?
[17:17:30] <pmuir> basically we ran out of time
[17:17:32] <lightguard_jp> Thought it might have been a time deal
[17:17:36] <lincolnthree> I got one of those like 2 weeks ago
[17:17:49] <pmuir> the cdi spec was changing weeks before java ee went final
[17:18:01] <pmuir> we never had as many staff on tck work as sun did
[17:18:09] <pmuir> sun normally had at least 1 full time person per tck
[17:18:22] <pmuir> we had me + david allen on contract + a little help from others
[17:18:30] <pmuir> i want to beef it up for cdi 1.1
[17:18:36] <pmuir> we can move a lot of tests from weld core tests
[17:18:37] <pmuir> over
[17:18:46] <pmuir> which are actually testing issues that people have really run into
[17:19:11] <lightguard_jp> Gotcha
[17:19:38] <lightguard_jp> What is the thought for a cdi 1.1 timeline?
[17:19:49] <pmuir> i need to have a chat with mark, our cto
[17:19:57] <pmuir> but we need to get cracking
[17:20:05] <pmuir> main constraint right now is my time
[17:20:20] <pmuir> we need to get me some spare time then we can get an EG formed etc.
[17:20:49] <pmuir> Q3 2012 for the FR would be the target
[17:21:00] <pmuir> with Q1 for the public review
[17:21:14] <pmuir> I would like to have all work other than alignment done by the PR
[17:23:08] <lightguard_jp> Two years?  Ouch.  One of the things I detest about the JCP.  Things move very slowly
[17:23:34] <pmuir> well that is the schedule for JPA.next
[17:23:44] <pmuir> and I think we would follow approx the same schedule
[17:24:02] <pmuir> what I am saying tho is we would target Q1 for feature complete, release candidate style spec
[17:24:09] <pmuir> so that at that point people could start to use it
[17:24:23] <pmuir> we could release the final earlier
[17:24:30] <pmuir> but then we risk mis-alignment with EE 7
[17:25:04] <lightguard_jp> What are people thinking of EE7 timeline?
[17:25:11] <lightguard_jp> Sooner than five years?
[17:25:15] <lightguard_jp> Four years*
[17:28:34] <pmuir> i would assume ~the same
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[17:39:39] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: :( that's too bad, oh well.
[17:39:58] <pmuir> how do you mean lightguard_jp?
[17:40:05] <pmuir> iow it will be approx 1.5 years away
[17:45:51] <lightguard_jp> 1.5 years for EE7 would be good.  These long waits between major versions of the platform are bad
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[17:49:45] <pmuir> yes
[17:49:56] <pmuir> so iow the cdi 1.1 release will be aligned with the ee 7 release
[17:49:59] <pmuir> in time
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[21:29:42] <bleathem> lincolnthree: The weld beam manger has my WindowContext confused with your RenderContext: http://pastebin.com/iB0Hi0kZ
[21:29:56] <bleathem> Any idea off hand why?
[21:30:20] <lincolnthree> That's odd.
[21:30:29] <lincolnthree> Are you sure the producer method is returning the right type?
[21:32:03] <bleathem> No.
[21:32:14] <bleathem> I'll check that, thx
[21:32:25] <lincolnthree> np, i hope that's it
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[21:36:15] <lightguard_jp> jboss-dev channel looks dead
[21:38:01] <pmuir> not so dead now
[21:38:09] <lightguard_jp> Haha
[21:43:45] <bleathem> lincolnthree: looking at that producer, realize the problem is my producer has the same name.
[21:43:52] <bleathem> Why is that producer @Named anyway?
[21:44:02] <lincolnthree> oh, so that it can be accessed through EL
[21:44:14] <lincolnthree> #{renderScope.smthng}
[21:44:21] <lincolnthree> so you can do the same for windowscope :)
[21:44:50] <lincolnthree> except wow
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[21:45:00] <lincolnthree> it looks like the name would be "renderContext"
[21:45:07] <lincolnthree> I think
[21:45:10] <bleathem> yeah
[21:45:16] <bleathem> was just going to suggest that.
[21:45:19] <lincolnthree> I wonder if that's documented
[21:45:32] <bleathem> it's current name is "contextInstance"
[21:45:38] <lincolnthree> ouch
[21:45:44] <lincolnthree> yeah, it should be "renderScope"
[21:45:59] <lincolnthree> it's not documented
[21:46:03] <lincolnthree> should be
[21:46:33] <lincolnthree> this is when it helps to have 2 computers
[21:46:36] <lincolnthree> one has forge
[21:46:38] <lincolnthree> the other has faces
[21:46:39] <lincolnthree> :-p
[21:46:48] <lincolnthree> easier to context-switch
[21:46:51] <bleathem> nice
[21:47:20] <bleathem> i'm at home on a 15" laptoop.  I'm missing the 30" monitor at work today.
[21:47:49] <lincolnthree> niiice
[21:47:56] <lincolnthree> I've only got a 24"
[21:48:01] <lincolnthree> but a 19" next to it
[21:48:04] <lincolnthree> + the laptop
[21:48:05] <bleathem> laptoop, gonna have to adjust my pronuciation to match
[21:48:16] <lincolnthree> haha
[21:49:04] <bleathem> 30" monitor for $999 from Dell's cyber monday sale last year.  Couldn't pass it up.
[21:49:58] <lincolnthree> and you brought it to work??
[21:51:03] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: Hopefully we'll have a GF 3.1 promoted version that Solder / Weldx works on next week
[21:51:55] <bleathem> I got work to *buy* it!
[21:52:34] <bleathem> lightguard_jp: nice.  although I'm enjoying my JBoss AS experience so far.
[21:52:44] <lightguard_jp> bleathem: That's good :)
[21:52:46] <lincolnthree> lightguard_jp: awesome! i saw your chat with pete this morning
[21:52:55] <lincolnthree> yeah, AS is getting better finally
[21:53:00] <lincolnthree> I can't wait to use AS7
[21:53:08] <lightguard_jp> Yeah, I started the conversation with Siva and Pete stepped in and helped out :)
[21:53:21] <lightguard_jp> AS7 will be awesome
[21:53:27] <lincolnthree> pmuir: knows everything
[21:53:40] <lightguard_jp> can't wait until it's ready to deploy apps (AS7)
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[21:59:30] <lightguard_jp> I guess he didn't appreciate the compliment.
[21:59:35] <lincolnthree> haha
[21:59:37] <lincolnthree> he's cooking
[22:00:45] <stuartdouglas> You can deploy weld apps on as7 now: https://github.com/stuartwdouglas/jboss-as/tree/weldIntegration
[22:00:55] <stuartdouglas> You just can't do anything with them once they are deployed :-)
[22:00:58] <lincolnthree> haha
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[22:30:53] <lightguard_jp> lol
[22:30:56] <lightguard_jp> Awesome
[22:32:24] <lightguard_jp> We can deploy CDI apps in AS7 before we can even do a hello world JSP app?
[22:49:57] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: Still there?
[23:07:19] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 9922b91.. Mike Brock fix to quote parsing.
[23:07:20] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master b6d1bca.. Mike Brock use BufferedInputStream
[23:07:20] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 998af60.. Aslak Knutsen Add Maven Resource support...
[23:07:20] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master f5f9eb9.. Lincoln Baxter, III Updated maven resources to utilize VirtualResource, compiles
[23:07:20] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master ea59cf8.. Lincoln Baxter, III Fixed swallowed exception in Execution. Updated thrown exceptions in FileResource
[23:07:21] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 51d68d1.. Lincoln Baxter, III further exception propagation, cd now accepts virtual resources, mvnpomresource now always returns a child
[23:07:21] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master c24a1ee.. Mike Brock fix pathspec parser
[23:07:21] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 3889c50.. Mike Brock fix pathspec parser
[23:07:22] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 6b1003e.. Lincoln Baxter, III updates for resource handling
[23:07:22] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master f9e3120.. Lincoln Baxter, III merged from mike
[23:07:23] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master ee047c4.. Lincoln Baxter, III Updated JavaResource API to support Field and Method resources, updated ShellPrintWriter API with renderColor() method.
[23:07:23] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/a76248c...ee047c4
[23:08:14] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: hi
[23:08:24] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: Hi Pete
[23:10:06] <lightguard_jp> I had a question, but I don't recall what it was anymore :)
[23:10:51] <lincolnthree> you wanted to know how he knows everything
[23:11:06] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master a7a7481.. Lincoln Baxter, III fixed author tags
[23:11:06] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/ee047c4...a7a7481
[23:11:09] <pmuir> i'm an elephant
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[23:16:00] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: You're one smart elephant
[23:16:36] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 40a8ef3.. Lincoln Baxter, III removed shell references
[23:16:36] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/a7a7481...40a8ef3
[23:16:36] <lincolnthree> they never forget
[23:17:31] <lightguard_jp> So I'm told
[23:17:38] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: Are you afraid of mice?
[23:17:49] <lincolnthree> he always uses a touchpad
[23:18:57] <lightguard_jp> lol
[23:19:49] <aslak> lincolnthree: fyi: the seam forge github merge email is being sent from Pete.. :)
[23:19:49] <pmuir> only afraid of computer mice
[23:19:53] <pmuir> real ones don't scare me
[23:20:01] <pmuir> aslak: it has to come from a real gmail addr
[23:20:07] <pmuir> afaict
[23:20:34] <lincolnthree> aslak: yeah -- i think that's due to his script
[23:21:12] <aslak> sure, but lincolnthree has a gmail adrs.. :)
[23:21:36] <lightguard_jp> afaik you can't paramaterize the script on github
[23:23:58] <pmuir> for simplicity, we just run one google app which handles all of them
[23:24:11] <pmuir> aslak you can patch the script to support this ;-)
[23:24:16] <pmuir> it's oss :-D
[23:24:23] <pmuir> i just measured all the doors in my flat
[23:24:30] <pmuir> every single one is a different widtg
[23:24:32] <pmuir> width
[23:24:33] <pmuir> twf
[23:24:43] <aslak> could read the committer
[23:25:33] <aslak> pmuir, source?
[23:25:47] <pmuir> aslak: we don't know if they have a gmail addr
[23:25:49] <pmuir> thats the point
[23:26:12] <aslak> no, but the app could keep track of repo to email e.g.
[23:26:12] <pmuir> https://github.com/maniksurtani/github-emailhook
[23:26:16] <pmuir> sure
[23:26:17] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: They're all different?? Ouch
[23:26:26] <pmuir> yeah pretty weird
[23:26:43] <pmuir> somewhere between 28 and 32 inches
[23:26:59] <lincolnthree> lol. that's strange
[23:27:08] <lightguard_jp> inches? You did the conversion for us here in the USA?
[23:27:30] <pmuir> i use both
[23:27:35] <pmuir> interchangably
[23:27:42] <lincolnthree> he's good at math too
[23:27:44] <lincolnthree> like i said
[23:27:45] <pmuir> for old stuff normally makes sense to measure in inches
[23:27:46] <lincolnthree> knows everything
[23:28:03] <pmuir> as of course it was built using inches
[23:28:10] <pmuir> so normally you get a whole number out
[23:28:16] <pmuir> not some weird no of mm
[23:28:30] <pmuir> e.g. we now buy milk in multiples of 568ml
[23:28:32] <pmuir> ;-)
[23:28:53] <lightguard_jp> yep, that's messed up
[23:31:20] <aslak> hmm, sender needs to be admin
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[23:40:34] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master 4402937.. Mike Brock LsJavaPlugin works nicely with pipes now
[23:40:34] <jbossbot> git [forge] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/forge/compare/40a8ef3...4402937
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