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[00:32:11] <arbi> i'm trying to deploy an existing seam2 app in JBAS 6 CR1, i noticed that the jboss-service.xml is much smaller in AS 6
[00:32:28] <arbi> most likely my app will not deply (I have a feeling)
[00:44:37] <arbi> i see this: http://localhost:8080/admin-console/secure/summary.seam
[00:44:44] <arbi> so AS6 uses seam?
[00:47:02] <arbi> and they're *finally* getting rid of web-console and jmx-console via embedded jopr
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[01:14:49] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master d720799.. Dan Allen update project name in places; add license file
[01:14:49] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master dd38057.. Dan Allen Merge branch 'master' of github.com:seam/catch
[01:14:49] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/0a7aeec...dd38057
[01:16:33] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master 06d27c7.. Dan Allen fix invalid snapshot version
[01:16:33] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/dd38057...06d27c7
[01:17:33] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master b20c0fd.. Dan Allen remove <scm> from where it shouldn't be
[01:17:33] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/06d27c7...b20c0fd
[01:19:45] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master f621ea0.. Dan Allen fix distribution assembly
[01:19:45] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/b20c0fd...f621ea0
[01:22:58] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master e0dbdaf.. Dan Allen [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.0.0.Alpha1
[01:22:58] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/f621ea0...e0dbdaf
[01:23:03] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master 1199bc5.. Dan Allen [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[01:23:03] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/e0dbdaf...1199bc5
[01:28:55] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master 93e9264.. Dan Allen fix package name
[01:28:56] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/1199bc5...93e9264
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[01:32:37] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master 46bcfed.. Dan Allen [maven-release-plugin] prepare release 3.0.0.Alpha1
[01:32:38] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/93e9264...46bcfed
[01:32:39] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master a78f775.. Dan Allen [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[01:32:39] <jbossbot> git [catch] push master URL: http://github.com/seam/catch/compare/46bcfed...a78f775
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[16:49:27] <lightguard_jp> Anyone available to read over by Catch announcement blog entry?
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[16:52:37] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: syre
[16:53:19] <lightguard_jp> Okay, I'll email it to you
[16:54:23] <pmuir> do it to bleepbleep
[16:54:26] <pmuir> not on vpn right now
[16:54:53] <lightguard_jp> bleepbleep .... lost me there
[16:55:43] <pmuir> pmuir at bleepbleep dot org.uk
[16:55:55] <lightguard_jp> Okay
[16:56:20] <lightguard_jp> Sent
[16:57:16] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: Thanks
[16:58:55] <pmuir>  the first parameter in the method must be annotated with `@Handles` and
[16:58:55] <pmuir>     be an instance of `CaughtException&lt;T extends Throwable>`
[16:59:02] <pmuir> that is a bit restrictive?
[16:59:29] <pmuir> "3.  handlers are order before they're invoked
[16:59:29] <pmuir> "
[16:59:36] <pmuir> can't parse that
[16:59:45] <lightguard_jp> oops
[17:00:04] <lightguard_jp> The parameter is what we're keying off to know it's a catch handler
[17:00:40] <lightguard_jp> CaughtException also contains some info about the exception (stack trace, where it's at in the list of causes, etc) and some flow control
[17:02:31] <lightguard_jp> Same idea as observers really.  First param must be annotated with @Observes and the param must be what you're observing.
[17:03:10] <adamw1pl> hey guys, I'm working on a demo app - works so far of course
[17:03:22] <adamw1pl> only thing I achieved is that I get the exception from yesterday during undeploy
[17:03:32] <adamw1pl> (Could not locate a BeanManager ...)
[17:03:40] <adamw1pl> is undeploying anything you care about? ;)
[17:03:48] <pmuir> I think you've misread the spec
[17:03:50] <pmuir> "An observer method may be declared by annotating a parameter @javax.enterprise.event.Observes. That parameter is the event parameter. The declared type of the parameter is the observed event type."
[17:03:56] <pmuir> nothing about "first" in there
[17:04:11] <pmuir> Personally I think we should just use events
[17:04:19] <pmuir> i don't understand why we aren't reusing it
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[17:07:40] <lightguard_jp> A public void myMethod(MyObject o, @Observes MyEvent, SomethOther object o2) is still an observer and the other two params are injected?
[17:07:50] <pmuir> yeah
[17:08:02] <lightguard_jp> We could use observers once the ordering of them is in Solder
[17:08:06] <pmuir> adamw1pl: can i see it?
[17:08:16] <pmuir> ok, so it's ordering
[17:08:21] <adamw1pl> the app? sure, I'll attach it to the issue in a sec
[17:08:28] <pmuir> the exception adamw1pl
[17:08:30] <adamw1pl> just trying to reproduce the issue during deploy
[17:08:31] <adamw1pl> ah
[17:08:37] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: it's not a blocker
[17:08:39] <pmuir> just comments
[17:08:57] <lightguard_jp> Right.  I know we talked about it before too.
[17:09:05] <adamw1pl> pmuir: http://pastie.org/1323178
[17:09:33] <adamw1pl> (yesterday, during deploy, a much bigger app: http://pastie.org/1320406)
[17:09:35] <lightguard_jp> I'd be fine moving it over to observers once we can order them.  It would take out some code
[17:10:02] <lightguard_jp> Probably make it start faster too because we don't have to do the extra scanning.
[17:10:16] <pmuir> cool
[17:10:27] <lightguard_jp> lincolnthree: Hurry up and contribute that ordering code boy! :)
[17:10:28] <pmuir> just remember you can't easily make users switch api mid stream
[17:10:28] <adamw1pl> btw. shouldn't @Observes PostConstructApplicationEvent event be called when my app starts?
[17:11:31] <lightguard_jp> We could support both for 3.0.0 if we needed to and call the current way deprecated and take it out with a future release.
[17:11:51] <lightguard_jp> But it's not really that big of a deal in my mind (the current api)
[17:14:32] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: Actually the precedence is the only ordering part that would need to be supported, the traversal path could be part of the qualifier
[17:16:32] <pmuir> "NOTE: The best way to tie this handler into JSF is by adding an JSF to Catch
[17:16:32] <pmuir> bridge by creating an [ExceptionHandler][] (this will be added to Catch in the
[17:16:32] <pmuir> next release, as a separate jar) to fire the `ExceptionToCatchEvent`.
[17:16:32] <pmuir> "
[17:16:51] <pmuir> adding >>>a<<< JSF to Catch bridge
[17:17:40] <lightguard_jp> Wow, not sure why I said 'an' there. Must not be fully awake yet
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[17:20:20] <lightguard_jp> pmuir: do observers take into account the generic type of the event when calling?
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[17:21:06] <adamw1pl> ha! I reproduced the problem finally :)
[17:21:32] <adamw1pl> it must be .ear archive with an <ejb> deployment (no EJBs, just an ejb .jar module)
[17:22:05] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: yes
[17:22:27] <lightguard_jp> Yep, then all that's needed is the precedence ordering
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[17:23:05] <pmuir> adamw1pl: issue in SEAMFACES
[17:23:12] <pmuir> it's assuming the beanmanager will be there when it isn't
[17:23:14] <adamw1pl> not in JBAS?
[17:23:48] <adamw1pl> hmm even a simple jar module is enough
[17:23:53] <pmuir> probably both
[17:23:54] <adamw1pl> so it must be an ear with a jar and war modules
[17:23:56] <pmuir> :-)
[17:24:05] <pmuir> FACES shouldn't error in this case
[17:24:10] <pmuir> JBAS should be providing the BM ;-)
[17:24:17] <adamw1pl> ok :]
[17:24:20] <adamw1pl> will do after supper
[17:24:26] <adamw1pl> gotta take care of the baby a little :)
[17:24:27] <pmuir> lightguard_jp: we also need to talk about the choice of using absolute ordering as opposed to relative
[17:24:59] <pmuir> otherwise looks good
[17:25:16] <lightguard_jp> Just those two little grammer changes then?
[17:25:53] <pmuir> yep
[17:26:35] <lightguard_jp> Excellent
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[19:23:23] <adamw1pl> https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-60 and https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBAS-8660 updated with demo app
[19:23:24] <jbossbot> jira [SEAMFACES-60] Cannot deploy a Weld ear application which uses Weld Extensions [Open, Major, Unassigned] https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMFACES-60
[19:23:24] <jbossbot> jira [JBAS-8660] Cannot deploy a Weld application which uses Weld Extensions [Open, Major, Unassigned] https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBAS-8660
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[19:28:45] <mbg> adamw1pl: thanks
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