January 30, 2020 
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January 30, 2020 [00:13:04] *** slave_blocker <slave_blocker!~slave_blo@x4e365d6e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:14:51] *** JanC_ <JanC_!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** JanC is now known as Guest16482[00:16:30] *** Guest16482 <Guest16482!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Killed (cherryh.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))[00:16:30] *** JanC_ is now known as JanC[00:23:12] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[00:26:47] *** immae <immae!~immae@2a01:4f8:141:53e7::> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.4)[00:28:08] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[00:29:16] *** immae <immae!~immae@2a01:4f8:141:53e7::> has joined #postfix[00:33:53] *** davispuh <davispuh!~quassel@87.110.32.91> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Why is this an issue in the first place?[02:14:40] <DarwinElf> isn't it something any distribution's package build/install software should automatically do? I mean, why do you want broken permissions or is this really that bad of a security issue?[02:15:40] *** epony <epony!epony@unaffiliated/epony> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:16:46] *** epony <epony!epony@unaffiliated/epony> has joined #postfix[02:21:54] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[02:28:10] <DarwinElf> i'd guess it's probably the case; but some build-script/package maintainers don't know or don't bother... not the responsibility of the Postfix programmers... I guess it's to fix what some build-script/package maintainers neglect to do...?[02:28:56] <DarwinElf> anyway, how would I test if I can submit mail on port 586? I think I disabled port 25 for security...[02:32:07] <DarwinElf> or is it supposed to be 587?[02:33:21] <DarwinElf> yeah, I guess so, that's why it wasn't working and/or I couldn't find it... I'll see what I have to fix and may not have a question then[02:33:36] *** fiddlerwoaroof <fiddlerwoaroof!~fiddlerwo@unaffiliated/fiddlerwoaroof> has joined #postfix[02:38:30] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Quit: ]SiB[)[03:02:31] *** ephemer0l <ephemer0l!~ephemer0l@pentoo/user/ephemer0l> has joined #postfix[03:05:34] <DarwinElf> okay, got it working on port 587 now... how do I test it? For some reason I can send mail to it on the LAN, but not WAN...[03:06:30] <thumbs> !tell DarwinElf welcome[03:06:30] <knoba> DarwinElf: Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![03:07:14] <DarwinElf> !getting_help[03:07:15] <knoba> DarwinElf: before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[03:10:22] <DarwinElf> alright, I don't have an actual log/error yet that I need to ask something about; just want to test submitting mail to SMTP manually... I thought there's a webpage on postfix.org about this?[03:11:01] <DarwinElf> can't submit an error until I see if one even occurs when doing that or if an issue might just be waiting for it to appear in a few minutes...[03:11:15] <thumbs> DarwinElf: I would use a MUA[03:11:56] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@187.211.32.135> has joined #postfix[03:47:24] <DarwinElf> in formal/professional technical writing one always defines acroynms before using them[03:47:52] <DarwinElf> luckily I was able to recall what that particular one was but doesn't really explain how you do that with one[03:48:41] <DarwinElf> obviously the steps are different with each mail user agent (MUA, email client) so the key is finding out what you need to do with any of them that's always basically the same... what's done to test...[03:53:44] <thumbs> Mail User Agent[03:54:07] <thumbs> DarwinElf: Thunderbird is pretty easy to configure[03:54:16] <lunaphyte> !encyclopedia[03:54:40] <lunaphyte> oh, hmm[03:54:43] <DarwinElf> yeah, I had it configured for this mail server last year but the server was off and now I want to test it again after an upgrade[03:54:43] <lunaphyte> !encyclopedia[03:54:43] <knoba> lunaphyte: please don't treat the people here as encyclopedias. if a term or concept is introduced that you're not familiar with, then use your favorite search engine and go read about it. do *not* immediately ask what is <newterm>?[03:54:46] <lunaphyte> ah[03:54:49] <lunaphyte> no spaces[04:00:21] <DarwinElf> mail user agent isn't a name[05:06:05] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.scb.ne.static.allophone.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:31:50] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[05:35:39] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@187.211.32.135> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:00:05] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:00:41] *** wings <wings!~wings@unaffiliated/wings> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:01:31] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[06:17:32] <DarwinElf> alright, just by asking a good way to test doesn't mean I'm calling anyone I haven't even named an 'encyclopedia.' I got detailed help with that years ago (but am restarting a mailserver after a few months and forgot stuff)... don't know what's changed since then... guess I just wait for others to answer who might've done so before or give similar detail[06:33:48] *** deksar <deksar!~deksar@unaffiliated/deksar> has left #postfix[06:49:44] *** Ner0Zer0 <Ner0Zer0!~Ner0Zer0@87.253.63.54> has joined #postfix[06:54:29] *** Bebef <Bebef!sbreit@phobos.bebef.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[06:54:37] <DarwinElf> it works fine on one server, but not another... I guess I need to be clearer about why I want to test: with some email client tests, the mail seems to send fine, but /var/log/maillog is blank. I recently turned this server back on after some months, upgraded mail server daemons (postfix, etc.,) so the /etc/rc.d/rc.postfix started again (after not being on) but I have a blank /var/log/maillog ... even after postfix successfully started (should've logged[06:54:37] <DarwinElf> that?) and after it should be getting some test emails...[06:55:10] <DarwinElf> so I'd like to relearn how to telnet to port 587 and test manually, or any instructions people know with any specific POSIX-based email client that can show you errors it's having[06:56:06] <DarwinElf> i did telnet to port 587 and said an EHLO line and postfix said some stuff that looks like it's possibly running fine but then waiting for the next input (not sure what that should be)... but if /var/log/maillog is blank, that seems more urgent[06:56:44] <DarwinElf> i guess I'll just post the configurations because that was asked. They're the same from when it was running fine, I think[06:56:52] <DarwinElf> !showconfig[06:56:52] <knoba> DarwinElf: when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[06:57:02] *** Bebef <Bebef!sbreit@phobos.bebef.de> has joined #postfix[06:57:05] <DarwinElf> okay, haven't been asked yet... don't know if it's relevant in this case or not[06:58:07] <DarwinElf> though it did say before asking, ok...[06:58:09] <DarwinElf> !pastebin[06:58:09] <knoba> DarwinElf: A pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, pastebin.ca, paste.ee, ptpb.pw, ix.io and many others. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[06:59:28] <DarwinElf> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f6690c9b/[07:19:36] *** jwpierce3 <jwpierce3!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has joined #postfix[07:20:36] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[07:23:10] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has joined #postfix[07:25:51] *** jwpierce3 <jwpierce3!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[07:26:33] *** deksar <deksar!~deksar@unaffiliated/deksar> has joined #postfix[07:32:53] *** Bahhumbug <Bahhumbug!jrd@psychotic/admin/jrd> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[07:37:21] *** aniketh <aniketh!uid171160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujzekhjzzcmpxpkz> has joined #postfix[07:40:13] *** bsd4me <bsd4me!~usingbsd@209-193-22-215-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:41:41] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[07:43:47] <Konichiwa> DarwinElf, is postfix logging to syslog instead of maillog?[07:44:21] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[07:49:53] *** Ner0Zer0 <Ner0Zer0!~Ner0Zer0@87.253.63.54> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:52:55] <DarwinElf> no. I checked the file that specifies where it logs; it's default[07:53:52] *** Bahhumbug <Bahhumbug!jrd@psychotic/admin/jrd> has joined #postfix[07:54:35] <DarwinElf> /etc/syslog.conf: mail.* -/var/log/maillog[07:55:22] <DarwinElf> that's the particular line. I never touched that file[07:56:37] <DarwinElf> actually I'm getting my test mails now (that postfix received and I got with dovecot) so everything seems to be working...[07:57:04] <DarwinElf> well, except /var/log/maillog , LoL[07:57:18] <Konichiwa> but you upgraded, you said. So, you are >3.4 (I use 3.1), and I believe there is a new logging facility with >3.4 ... perhaps this is causing the logging problem? (don't know since I use an older version)[07:57:43] <DarwinElf> no, I am not above 3.4. I use the version that was available unofficially for my OS last time I upgraded its packages[07:57:56] <DarwinElf> you should've viewed my configuration details I posted in which show I'm in a 3.2.n[07:58:29] <DarwinElf> i said I turned off the server several months ago, turned it back on, upgraded from what I had earlier last year[08:00:14] <DarwinElf> as of a day or few ago (same right now actually) it's the version I have listed in that paste[08:00:26] <Konichiwa> yeah, I see the version now...just ignored it...past bedtime ;)[08:01:15] <DarwinElf> NP; I'm not in a huge rush to get this fixed unless perhaps I get an actual serious mail problem in the future then can't see any log of what happened... but it has always been pretty stable for months even though sometimes I had to make changes on upgrade then restart...[08:01:19] <DarwinElf> years[08:05:47] *** jwpierce3 <jwpierce3!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has joined #postfix[08:06:44] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:10:57] <Konichiwa> have you tried restarting syslog since starting postfix?[08:11:46] <DarwinElf> no... not sure how to do that; never done it before[08:12:13] <DarwinElf> ok; restarted it[08:13:03] <DarwinElf> so I sent a mail now got a maillog! :D[08:13:53] <DarwinElf> thanks! :D[08:13:54] *** DarwinElf <DarwinElf!d@fsf/member/darwin> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[08:14:01] <Konichiwa> all's well then! Now you get to watch all the Asean spammers hit your server[08:19:15] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has joined #postfix[08:29:30] *** jwpierce3 <jwpierce3!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.5)[08:32:07] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> has joined #postfix[09:06:56] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:07:24] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[09:13:58] *** SteffanW <SteffanW!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has joined #postfix[09:14:20] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[09:34:44] *** PeGaSuS <PeGaSuS!PeGaSuS@unaffiliated/exterminador> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[09:34:52] *** tibyke <tibyke!~tibyke@pdpc/supporter/professional/tibyke> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:35:49] *** PeGaSuS <PeGaSuS!PeGaSuS@unaffiliated/exterminador> has joined #postfix[09:35:51] *** tibyke <tibyke!~tibyke@ctb.netmania.hu> has joined #postfix[09:48:05] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[10:14:11] *** SteffanW <SteffanW!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:16:01] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has joined #postfix[10:31:59] *** deksar <deksar!~deksar@unaffiliated/deksar> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:32:42] *** deksar <deksar!~deksar@unaffiliated/deksar> has joined #postfix[10:40:39] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[10:47:27] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[11:19:57] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@pD9E2D8D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[11:25:20] *** NonFree <NonFree!NonFree@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jasjar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[11:28:06] *** NonFree_ <NonFree_!NonFree@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jasjar> has joined #postfix[11:39:55] *** lilmike <lilmike!~server@mtserver.mwtd.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in)[11:40:17] *** lilmike <lilmike!~server@mtserver.mwtd.net> has joined #postfix[11:47:59] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@pD9E2D8D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[12:00:11] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:01:30] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[12:11:38] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.178.246> has joined #postfix[12:19:16] *** Antoine <Antoine!~Antoine@unaffiliated/airnf> has joined #postfix[12:20:30] <Antoine> Hello, I run a postfix server. I am looking into securing it and found spamassassin, clamav and amavis. I'm wondering, since amavis seems to be just a wrapper, why use it at all instead of just configuring postfix to use spamassassin and clamav?[12:26:00] <petn-randall> Antoine: Amavis does a lot more than just spamassassin, and allows more fine-grained control over mail flow than pure spamassassin.[12:27:07] <petn-randall> Antoine: I can also recommend using rspamd instead of spamassassin, as it gives me a lot higher spam detection. YMMV. Though this is getting slightly offtopic.[12:28:53] <Antoine> petn-randall: Thanks for recommending rspamd, I didn't know about it.[12:29:36] <Antoine> petn-randall: OK so more fine-grained control over mail flow with amavis. I'll look into it in more details then[12:30:13] <Antoine> While I'm here, are there any other mail filtering packages you would recommend? :)[12:30:52] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has joined #postfix[12:55:59] *** epony <epony!epony@unaffiliated/epony> has quit IRC (Quit: sysupgrade)[12:57:18] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.178.246> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[12:57:29] <rob0> I'd recommend not doing content filtering at all unless you are already doing as much as you can,[12:57:35] <rob0> !cheatsheet[12:57:35] <knoba> rob0: (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html , a postscreen spam control HOWTO[12:59:18] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@186.214.11.151> has joined #postfix[12:59:38] <rob0> For content filtering I too would recommend amavisd. For discussion of non-Postfix mail-related software, I'd suggest ##email as a better place.[13:08:24] *** epony <epony!epony@unaffiliated/epony> has joined #postfix[13:09:34] <regis> Amavis is the only mailerver-related software I ever had issues with in my usual-ish config. I try to avoid it as much as possible. One instance configured as a few others just this Monday died with: "(!)_DIE: Suicide in child_init_hook: BDB can't connect db env. at /var/amavis/db" and required (or at least this method is scripted for now) nuking all databases before it started again.[13:24:59] *** d3lphi <d3lphi!~d3lphi@unaffiliated/d3lphi> has left #postfix[13:36:56] *** radicate <radicate!~textual@31.154.102.92> has joined #postfix[13:47:16] <survietamine> like many perl projects[13:51:10] * tuxick coughs[14:02:53] * jimpop advises tuxick to go to his doctor and make sure it's not coronavirus[14:28:17] <tuxick> i don't drink that crap[14:28:30] <tuxick> it was a wossname cough[14:36:38] <tuxick> funny enough my favourite spamfilter is written in perl:[14:36:38] <tuxick> wc -l assp.pl[14:36:38] <tuxick> 77834 assp.pl[14:36:48] <tuxick> which goes against all my beliefs[14:49:52] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:50:27] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.178.246> has joined #postfix[15:00:50] <petn-randall> Perl goes against your beliefs?[15:00:58] * petn-randall grabs a pitchfork.[15:01:47] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has joined #postfix[15:02:00] <Kelsar> perl was that language where you write it once and never ever read the code again?[15:07:28] <jimpop> also see the SA advisory today about malicious code hitting .cf files[15:07:34] *** Southron <Southron!~Southron@unaffiliated/southron> has joined #postfix[15:08:14] <jimpop> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/branches/3.4/build/announcements/3.4.4.txt[15:08:55] *** MrGeneral <MrGeneral!~MrGeneral@unaffiliated/mrgeneral> has joined #postfix[15:09:32] <MrGeneral> Hi guys. Server A relays to server B (using an existing email account but that allows any sender ID, but authenticates to the email account) then relays to server C.[15:10:20] <MrGeneral> Server C is showing the Server A sender id, but it's not exactly showing the full sender id, its attached to server B's ID. Can I somehow relay all this? Just need to authenticate with server B email account[15:10:31] <MrGeneral> But the server C needs to get the exact server A sender ID[15:14:33] <rob0> You're using some unfamiliar terms, such as "attached to server B's ID." But before clarifying all that, I'd just wonder, why do you need A and B at all, if C is going to be the main MTA? Why not have processes on A and B use a nullclient to submit to C's submission service?[15:21:22] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.178.246> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:22:39] *** radicate <radicate!~textual@31.154.102.92> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[15:27:25] *** fling <fling!~fling@fsf/member/fling> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:27:31] *** fling_ <fling_!~fling@fsf/member/fling> has joined #postfix[15:30:24] *** fling_ is now known as fling[15:39:06] <MrGeneral> rob0 it's a mess, though I got it to work right now... :p. I need to setup an authentication on B, as A can't access C. But, got it to work: X-Sender-Id: _forwarded-from|iphere[15:39:26] <MrGeneral> wish that was the domain that Server A is using, but seems to work this way at least a bit better :)[15:58:04] *** AC3J <AC3J!AC3J@bbs.ac3j.radio> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.4+deb7 - https://znc.in)[15:59:04] *** AC3J <AC3J!AC3J@bbs.ac3j.radio> has joined #postfix[16:03:33] *** radicate <radicate!~textual@31.154.102.92> has joined #postfix[16:06:05] *** trident <trident!~trident@paranoia.trisec.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:09:35] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.178.246> has joined #postfix[16:13:33] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[16:15:36] <Antoine> rob0: Thanks for the links.[16:17:01] *** trident <trident!~trident@paranoia.trisec.se> has joined #postfix[16:18:14] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[16:24:06] *** Human_G33k <Human_G33k!~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:24:37] *** radicate <radicate!~textual@31.154.102.92> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[16:28:24] <jaybe> is there a native and simple way to limit the rate at which mails are delivered?[16:29:19] <petn-randall> jaybe: I can't think of a scenario where that makes sense. What is the actual problem you're trying to solve?[16:30:22] <jaybe> petn-randall: mailman list (opt-in, neighborhood HOA, no ads, private) ... delivering for years without issues to majors. recently, there've been a few roadblocks - and a suggestion was to limit the number/amount in short timeframes to sidestep some algos[16:33:10] <lunaphyte> um, rate limiting is a very common scenario - well established with well documented background...[16:36:18] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.178.246> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:37:45] <lunaphyte> jaybe: generally, a custom transport service defined, with a transport map referencing it as appropriate[16:39:01] <jaybe> lunaphyte: thank you. the transport map provides flexibility to manage the rate of deliveries over the custom transport?[16:39:43] <lunaphyte> it just allows you to specify a different smtp service, which would then have the various "throttling" parameters defined[16:40:25] <lunaphyte> !default_destination_rate_delay[16:40:25] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "default_destination_rate_delay" is not a valid command.[16:40:39] <lunaphyte> well, maybe not, but it IS a valid parameter :)[16:40:58] <lunaphyte> !default_destination_concurrency_limit[16:40:58] <knoba> lunaphyte: a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default maximal number of parallel deliveries to the same destination. This is the default limit for delivery via the lmtp(8), pipe(8), smtp(8) and virtual(8) delivery agents.[16:41:34] <lunaphyte> possibly:[16:41:36] <lunaphyte> !default_extra_recipient_limit[16:41:36] <knoba> lunaphyte: a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default value for the extra per-transport limit imposed on the number of in-memory recipients. This extra recipient space is reserved for the cases when the Postfix queue manager's scheduler preempts one message with another and suddenly needs some extra recipients slots for the chosen message in order to avoid performance degradation.[16:42:27] <lunaphyte> generally, default_destination_* parameters may be of interest[16:42:55] <jaybe> `smtp_destination_concurrency_limit = 1` was employed way back when in setting up - which was recommended[16:44:06] <jaybe> i think i should also look into how mailman and dmarc/spf/dkim work together (and or not) these days. i think that also causes issues.[16:44:56] <jaybe> the submitter of emails to the list comes from example.org and the list is list.other.example.net[16:47:19] <lunaphyte> i wouldn't set concurrency limits to 1 globally like that[16:47:30] <lunaphyte> that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak[16:49:23] *** camelCaser <camelCaser!~camela@196.244.191.164> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:53:23] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:53:42] *** camelCaser <camelCaser!~camela@184.170.240.150> has joined #postfix[16:54:51] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has joined #postfix[16:57:26] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:58:03] <jaybe> better to use the default concurrency as most servers will expect it?[16:58:30] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has joined #postfix[16:58:45] <jaybe> and would be far less independent/unique connections[17:08:48] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:10:32] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:16:35] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[17:25:32] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:26:35] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[17:39:27] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[17:39:38] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:39:38] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[17:49:30] *** deksar <deksar!~deksar@unaffiliated/deksar> has quit IRC (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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