January 28, 2020 
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January 28, 2020 [00:36:18] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@2a02:810c:640:e00:48bc:bfff:feb7:af31> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:38:31] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@2a02:810c:640:e00:48bc:bfff:feb7:af31> has joined #postfix[00:46:37] *** ephemer0l_ <ephemer0l_!~ephemer0l@pentoo/user/ephemer0l> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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I would just restore the backup of the file you made to test.[06:27:44] <wwalker> yeah, gotta love git :-)[06:40:03] <wwalker> Thanks thumbs . On further digging I find out that there are 2 main.cf and 2 master.cf in /etc/postfix and in /usr/libexec/postfix.... :headdesk:[06:41:08] <thumbs> yikes[06:41:57] <wwalker> yeah. I'm usually a fan of redhat, but redhat installed all 4 of them.[06:42:10] <wwalker> that's ridiculous[06:42:43] <thumbs> hard to guess from your initial problem description[06:42:46] *** jcarpenter2 <jcarpenter2!~rofl@96.78.87.197> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[06:47:02] <wwalker> yeah, postconf -d says it is looking at the ones in /etc/postfix, which is what you would expect[06:51:43] *** Ner0Zer0 <Ner0Zer0!~Ner0Zer0@87.253.63.54> has joined #postfix[06:52:53] <wwalker> Thanks again thumbs . got me focused, Now it all works. :-) it only has to live for a week and then I get to burn it to the ground (acting as a proxy for dovecot and for outgoing mail while I move 300+ domains from one host to another.[06:55:13] *** FH_thecat <FH_thecat!~FH_thecat@75.11.25.212.ftth.as8758.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:07:26] *** wings <wings!~wings@unaffiliated/wings> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[07:08:04] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!jwpierce3@mail.000.srv.trnkmstr.com> 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<eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216.75.116.100> has joined #postfix[15:29:40] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.76.137.40> has joined #postfix[15:33:38] *** cek <cek!uid23454@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uatayrdqbofvikqq> has joined #postfix[15:34:14] <cek> Why isn't `/^.+-error@/i error:` working in `transport_maps = regexp:/etc/postfix/transport` ?[15:34:19] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[15:34:42] <lunaphyte> !tell cek getting_help[15:34:42] <knoba> cek: before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[15:35:09] <cek> well, the config is pretty standard.[15:35:48] <cek> it's delivering to mailbox instead of bouncing.[15:36:09] <lunaphyte> hard to say, we haven't seen any detail as per the factoid[15:36:26] <lunaphyte> anyway, for help follow the above instructions ^^[15:36:30] <lunaphyte> then we can try to help[15:36:31] <cek> I can't post thousands of configs[15:37:15] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:37:15] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[15:37:22] <lunaphyte> not sure what you're talking about[15:37:31] <lunaphyte> anyway, for help follow the above instructions ^^[15:37:31] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:38:29] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[15:42:02] <rob0> !goal[15:42:02] <knoba> rob0: describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[15:42:30] <tuxick> that's silly, the goal is obvious[15:42:30] <rob0> regexp transport_maps sounds kind of crazy[15:42:32] <tuxick> world domination[15:42:35] <rob0> !xy[15:42:35] <knoba> rob0: The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem.[15:42:41] <rob0> tuxick++[15:43:00] <cek> let's stop the fud and start providing proper support to our customers[15:43:11] <rob0> uh, what?[15:43:20] <lunaphyte> we've told you what to do to get help here[15:43:28] <lunaphyte> you are in control of your destiny[15:44:04] <cek> are transport_maps actually checked ? because it seems like they are not[15:44:16] <lunaphyte> hard to say, we haven't seen any detail as per the factoid[15:45:47] <rob0> "Proper support" to "our customers" means we try to dissuade them from doing stupid stuff.[15:46:26] <rob0> BTW my customers are people who pay me. I don't recall being paid by you.[15:52:52] <cek> for no reason, it self-resolved. Now I get the error out.[16:09:54] <lembron> wait robo, so the invoice you send me last night is not normal here? - mods, ive been scammed ;-)[16:13:09] <lembron> most of irc-help is "consulting" (aka "dissuade them from doing stupid stuff") much more than "support" anyways tbh...[16:48:27] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.76.137.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:03:05] *** SteffanW <SteffanW!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:13:11] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-128-127.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[17:20:01] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[17:30:24] *** netz_ <netz_!netz@butt.boutique> has joined #postfix[17:30:58] *** netz <netz!netz@butt.boutique> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:31:24] *** netz_ is now known as netz[17:43:21] *** bgupta <bgupta!sid299105@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uivmylaoejgqizmp> has quit IRC ()[17:43:37] *** bgupta <bgupta!sid299105@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kythciitaymgvheh> has joined #postfix[17:56:01] *** tachoknight_ <tachoknight_!~tachoknig@205.178.20.7> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:00:03] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:01:30] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[18:04:02] *** tachoknight_ <tachoknight_!~tachoknig@205.178.20.7> has joined #postfix[18:08:29] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[18:13:05] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[18:28:53] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has joined #postfix[18:31:50] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[18:42:16] *** Ner0Zer0 <Ner0Zer0!~Ner0Zer0@87.253.63.54> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:47:45] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:49:28] <tuxick> our customers solve mail problems by migrating to o365[18:58:45] *** jaybe <jaybe!~jaybe@unaffiliated/jaybe> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:00:51] *** jaybe <jaybe!~jaybe@unaffiliated/jaybe> has joined #postfix[19:08:51] *** BiggTimber <BiggTimber!~quassel@12.229.148.138> has joined #postfix[19:28:23] *** davispuh <davispuh!~quassel@95.68.54.234> has joined #postfix[19:32:42] <BiggTimber> I'm working on setting up a new mailhost for a subdomain in my company. ex. corp.example.com. Our main domain ( at example dot com) is hosted in o365.[19:32:56] <BiggTimber> I have mail flowing between them, but am questioning the design.[19:33:40] <BiggTimber> In the 'Standard configuration readme' under section 'Running postfix behind a firewall' it states to use a gateway.[19:34:03] <BiggTimber> Is that for more security reasons or scalability?[19:35:24] <BiggTimber> I'm currently just setting up this internal mailhost for apps to use as a relay\mailbox so I dont have to have an account for each app on o365.[19:38:43] *** cek <cek!uid23454@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uatayrdqbofvikqq> has left #postfix[19:41:48] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.76.137.40> has joined #postfix[19:46:04] <lunaphyte> BiggTimber: i wouldn't read too much into that[19:46:33] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:47:40] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[19:50:08] <BiggTimber> I was wondering if it's really something I needed to do, seeing as this isn't going to be a busy system to start[19:50:27] <BiggTimber> maybe down the road I'll have to migrate it to that layout.[19:50:36] <BiggTimber> lunaphyte: thanks[19:51:31] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.76.137.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[19:54:35] <lunaphyte> that particular portion of the example is illustrating the basic elements of setting up a server that is an "email gateway" or an "email firewall"[19:55:24] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-128-127.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:56:43] <BiggTimber> lunaphyte: That would be a seperate box from my mailhost, correct? if I set it up like the documentation.[19:57:18] <BiggTimber> currently the 'gateway' function is on my mailhost, right?[19:59:14] <lunaphyte> eh, it could be[19:59:30] <lunaphyte> it depends on the overall architecture and environment, etc[20:00:33] <rob0> yeah, not sure how we could answer that[20:01:49] <BiggTimber> no worries. just wanted to make sure it wasn't a security problem really. Thanks[20:05:16] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:14:44] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:40:08] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[20:40:49] <wwalker> tuxick: that statement is just very scary. wwalker hugs his private MTAs and DNS servers.[20:44:51] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:52:06] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:56:22] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[20:57:41] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:58:03] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[21:01:23] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.76.137.40> has joined #postfix[21:02:44] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[21:16:09] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[21:19:58] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[21:22:01] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[21:23:40] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[21:25:08] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:25:19] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[21:38:26] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has joined #postfix[21:45:08] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e34:eef5:8310:511e:7f1c:c1d3:40bd> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.)[21:51:51] *** CryDeTaan <CryDeTaan!~CryDeTaan@unaffiliated/crydetaan> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[21:52:21] *** CryDeTaan <CryDeTaan!~CryDeTaan@unaffiliated/crydetaan> has joined #postfix[21:59:40] *** haydenh <haydenh!~haydenh@85.211.110.103> has joined #postfix[22:05:38] *** p1l0t <p1l0t!~p1l0t@173-13-117-50-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[22:07:00] <p1l0t> in main.cf it says not use virtual_alias_domain and my_destination at the same time but will it still evaluate virtual_alias_maps without that?[22:07:41] <lunaphyte> is it not working?[22:09:02] <p1l0t> lunaphyte: so if I comment out virtual_alias_domain with the virtual_alias_maps still work?[22:09:12] <p1l0t> lunaphyte: I didn't try it yet[22:09:19] <lunaphyte> why not?[22:09:23] <p1l0t> lunaphyte: scared[22:09:45] <lunaphyte> hmm. how else will you know if it works?[22:10:54] <p1l0t> lunaphyte: fine I'll go test it I just thought I would ask first. I guess the server won't erupt in flames.[22:11:10] <lunaphyte> i sure hope not![22:11:18] <lunaphyte> that would certainly be exciting though[22:12:01] <lunaphyte> if it does, you may have found a bug[22:15:51] <p1l0t> lunaphyte: or a way to stay warm this winter[22:19:33] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has quit IRC (Quit: shibboleth)[22:24:25] <lunaphyte> probably among the better uses for a computer[22:25:01] <p1l0t> lunaphyte: it did work. (also no fire)[22:25:27] <p1l0t> lunaphyte: I suppose virtual mailboxes should work in the same fashion then..[22:27:25] *** CarlenWhite <CarlenWhite!~CarlenWhi@82.sub-174-241-136.myvzw.com> has joined #postfix[22:33:54] <lunaphyte> that's good[22:34:02] <lunaphyte> probably not, but i'm not sure what you mean[22:34:32] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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