January 26, 2020 
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(concern i "only sending to the wold", ingress is in LAN)[15:03:31] <lembron> and "if its that easy, why is it not default"? - or is there anything more i need? - i´d kinda expect the ca-certificates package or so?[15:04:49] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #postfix[15:12:28] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[15:25:23] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:27:29] <lembron> certainly seems to have worked :P 86 deferred already down to 77 and happy walkin on[15:37:09] *** elsheepo <elsheepo!~beatzz@2600:1700:3541:cf70:a540:47c:876c:934> has joined #postfix[15:37:31] *** elsheepo <elsheepo!~beatzz@2600:1700:3541:cf70:a540:47c:876c:934> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:17:48] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@host86-130-45-171.range86-130.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:22:31] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-175-113.dynamic.mm.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: random_yanek)[16:23:07] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-175-113.dynamic.mm.pl> has joined #postfix[17:09:24] <lunaphyte> lembron: yes, encryption cannot be mandatory for communication with other mail servers over the internet[17:09:42] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure what you mean "why is it not default"[17:10:28] <lembron> some doc page i googled out mentioned "debian specifically is missing this line" - so maybe take "by default" as in "by default on debian"[17:10:29] <lunaphyte> it *is* the default. if the people you got the software form have changed that setting from its default and then given you the software, they have made a horrible mistake[17:11:24] *** epony <epony!epony@unaffiliated/epony> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:12:53] <lunaphyte> encryption very much should be mandatory [and authentication, too] for submission[s] service, but cannot be mandatory for public mx service[17:13:35] <lembron> im talking specifically of smtp_tls - not smtpd_tls[17:13:36] <lunaphyte> unfortunately, some misguided people are very confused about this, because they do not understand that the www is not the same thing as the internet :([17:13:49] <lunaphyte> lembron: yes, i know[17:16:47] <lembron> and "smtp_tls_security_level = may" what seems like it should have zero negatives "oppertunistic" -- NOT smtp_tls_security_level = encrypted or even smtp_tls_security_level = secure[17:17:34] <lembron> and debian is usually pretty good about defaults...[17:17:58] <lunaphyte> smtp_tls_security_level = may is the correct setting for public mx service[17:18:22] <lunaphyte> if the people who gave you the software think otherwise, they are sadly mistaken[17:20:28] <lembron> oddly that kinda seems to be the case... heck there whole docpage doesnt contain any info about this at all even (only mentions smtpd_tls)[17:20:45] <lembron> as in, https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#Postfix_and_TLS.2FSSL[17:21:02] <lunaphyte> fwiw, i doubt they do, but sure, i could be wrong[17:43:07] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[17:48:41] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: nsegkos)[17:50:38] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.scb.ne.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[17:56:52] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:57:50] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[18:00:13] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:1748:fad4:7260:c989:a638:2673:b205> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:00:13] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:00:52] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:1748:fad4:7260:7871:bdfa:4ad:feda> has joined #postfix[18:01:30] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[18:09:41] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[18:25:27] <lunaphyte> i see no indications in the debian package of smtp_tls_security_level getting set to anything other than the default or "may", so that's good.[18:26:10] <lunaphyte> definitely an explanation that makes more sense, as such a mistake would be rather egregious[18:26:16] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.scb.ne.static.allophone.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[18:28:16] <thumbs> lembron: debian is usually pretty good about defaults? hahahahahahaha[18:28:55] <thumbs> they have the *worst* default for any package amongst all distros[18:29:09] *** neo4 <neo4!~Thunderbi@212-247-92-178.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: neo4)[18:30:10] <lunaphyte> other than their brain dead dependency behaviors, i'd agree that overall, debian is usually pretty good about defaults[18:30:29] <lunaphyte> some packages may be the exception, such as postfix, or bind[18:30:42] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[18:31:07] <thumbs> perhaps I have only had to "support" debian users via some bad packages, then.[18:31:24] <lunaphyte> and while there are foolish and not well informed choices made in those packages [and others as well, i'm sure], they are not profoundly egregious, as such a smtp_tls_security_level would be[18:33:21] <lunaphyte> they are design choices, that cause configuration confusion for users, and only for those users who are doomed to an eternity of such experiences, because they do not make an effort to read the documentation, educate themselves, or use their brains[18:33:30] <lunaphyte> so that doesn't really bother me[18:34:24] <lunaphyte> they are the same users who would not get help from me here, even were they not using the debian package, because of their attitudes[18:34:32] <lunaphyte> so really, it changes exactly nothing[18:57:10] *** shaytan <shaytan!~shaytan@c-a08172d5.017-73-73746f13.bbcust.telenor.se> has joined #postfix[19:09:57] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-145-28.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:11:40] *** aniketh <aniketh!uid171160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jcgcnqvsvzawobot> has joined #postfix[19:28:33] *** johnny56_ <johnny56_!johnny56@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/johnny56> has joined #postfix[19:29:15] *** johnny56 <johnny56!johnny56@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/johnny56> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:31:11] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[19:31:12] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:31:12] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[19:39:02] <jaybe> We certainly dont want attitude here. Thank goodness there are such patient and understanding leaders such as s/lunaphyte/thumbs/ around to respectfully pave the way.[19:40:30] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~blaahchm@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has quit IRC (Quit: Goodbye cruel world!)[20:11:01] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.scb.ne.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[20:11:19] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~blaahchm@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has joined #postfix[20:39:28] *** treehug88 <treehug88!~textual@pool-173-56-90-115.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #postfix[20:54:19] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[21:08:58] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[21:48:31] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[21:49:43] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:53:10] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[21:56:04] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[22:01:39] <mitrax> hello, i'm aware of transport maps to relay emails for a certain domain to a specific smtp server, but is there a way to have postfix use a specific network interface for sending emails to a given domain?[22:03:48] *** aniketh <aniketh!uid171160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jcgcnqvsvzawobot> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[22:06:09] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[22:06:09] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:06:21] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:06:21] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[22:07:01] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[22:15:20] <lunaphyte> !tell mitrax smtp_bind_address[22:15:20] <knoba> mitrax: a configuration parameter in the main.cf: An optional numerical network address that the SMTP client should bind to when making a connection.[22:15:33] <lunaphyte> you would need to couple that with a custom transport service[22:18:59] <mitrax> ah great, thanks, i'll look into that[22:38:05] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Quit: 'k zien d'r mee weh zi)[22:38:20] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[22:42:28] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@187.211.1.108> has joined #postfix[23:12:00] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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