January 23, 2020 
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January 23, 2020 [00:24:40] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[00:26:36] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has quit IRC (Quit: shibboleth)[00:29:27] *** jamiejackson <jamiejackson!c7df1efe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.199.223.30.254> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:13:00] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:18:27] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:18:53] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[01:26:51] *** Guest37 <Guest37!~textual@24.115.64.239.res-cmts.sesp.ptd.net> has joined #postfix[01:27:44] *** Guest37 <Guest37!~textual@24.115.64.239.res-cmts.sesp.ptd.net> has left #postfix[01:28:07] *** esk1mo <esk1mo!~textual@24.115.64.239.res-cmts.sesp.ptd.net> has joined #postfix[01:28:13] <esk1mo> hey there[01:28:41] <esk1mo> my emails don't seem to be sending as html, any idea what the issue could be?[01:28:44] <esk1mo> not sure what to even try[01:29:41] <ek> esk1mo: How are you sending the emails?[01:29:46] <esk1mo> using phpmailer[01:30:00] <esk1mo> i was previously using sendgrid, and everything was fine, but going through postfix seems to break the html?[01:31:41] <esk1mo> when comparing the headers of both sent from sendgrid, and postfix everything looks identlca[01:32:53] <ek> Yeah. I can't think of anyting that Postfix would do that would change formatting unless you really dug deep. It simply sends the data provided to it.[01:33:06] <esk1mo> yeah i couldn't think of anythign to check[01:33:14] <esk1mo> not sure why it works fine through send grid[01:33:58] <ek> I'm not familiar with send grid but if nothing has changed with that it's certainly interesting.[01:34:11] <esk1mo> yep, only changed smtp settings[01:34:22] <esk1mo> and if i just switch those back to sendgrid it sends fine again[01:34:28] <esk1mo> very strange[01:34:46] <esk1mo> figured maybe theres something with postfix blocking it[01:35:03] <rob0> nope[01:35:33] <rob0> Postfix takes what it gets, and transports it[01:35:58] <esk1mo> hrmmmmm[01:36:38] <rob0> of course GIGO applies; if your mail is malformed, Postfix cleans it up to be RFC 5322-compliant and sends that on.[01:36:39] <ek> esk1mo: What OS are you sending mail with?[01:36:51] <esk1mo> ubuntu 18.04[01:38:23] <esk1mo> and yeah rob0 just checked the body, the body is identical too[01:38:28] <esk1mo> i'm so confused[01:38:30] <ek> And the phpmailer application does or does not specify a format (or "Content-type")?[01:38:55] <esk1mo> it does have an isHTML variable, but i tried to add content-type manually too[01:38:57] <esk1mo> just in case[01:39:25] <ek> It may be just the way that the application is sending the mail. Postfix *MAY* be cleaning it up like rob0 suggested. It's hard to say.[01:40:20] <ek> If you send one via send grid and one via Postfix and compare the raw data, there should be a difference.[01:40:29] <esk1mo> i just checked[01:40:32] <esk1mo> no differences at all[01:40:39] <ek> Unless the client is parsing it differently for some reason.[01:40:59] <esk1mo> gmail web displays fine, but multiple mail clients on mac and ios are messed up[01:43:11] <ek> Well, poop. I'm by no means an expert so I'm stumped. I've never seen that before. Any chance you could try a different sending method and see if the issue persists?[01:43:36] <esk1mo> i don't really know how to any other way[01:43:40] <ek> Like, maybe use mail(x) or something?[01:43:42] <esk1mo> i'm definitely not an emailing expert[01:46:50] <ek> Looks like there are some alternatives using a quick search for phpmailer alternatives.[01:47:46] <ek> Maybe give one of those a shot and see if the issue remains? I really don't see how Postfix could be changing any of the formatting of something like that.[01:47:50] * ek be's stumped[01:48:50] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[01:55:33] <esk1mo> yeah it's gotta be the headers or something[01:55:50] <esk1mo> i just took the body and everything the same[01:55:52] <esk1mo> ughh[01:56:27] <esk1mo> i'll difftool the headers and see[01:57:28] <ek> esk1mo: Seems reasonable.[01:57:49] <esk1mo> lol only difference is the ip and signatures[01:57:53] <esk1mo> and message id and such[01:58:08] <esk1mo> same content-type and charset[01:58:13] <esk1mo> reeeeeee[01:59:54] <esk1mo> i guess i'm left to assume it's a mail client bug[01:59:56] <esk1mo> idk[02:01:57] <rob0> Did you find a phpmailer channel which might be able to help? If not there is ##email , where this would be on topic, but not likely to have anyone who could help with it.[02:02:59] <esk1mo> it's sending exactly the same[02:03:11] <esk1mo> i don't think it's related to phpmailer[02:03:34] <rob0> I am sure it's not related to Postfix.[02:03:45] <esk1mo> yeah[02:03:48] <esk1mo> it's gotta be something client side[02:04:19] <esk1mo> i'll send the email to employees and have them try on all their devices and see[02:04:41] <rob0> they'll love you for that ;)[02:05:46] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@ip5b43a60b.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Write error: Connection reset by peer)[02:06:31] <ek> Haha.[02:06:45] <ek> Anyone willing to help is good![02:12:50] <esk1mo> dumb question, how can i see how many emails were succesfully sent?[02:12:57] <esk1mo> aka not blocked, bounced etc[02:13:07] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[02:14:14] <ek> esk1mo: Just check the mail log (likely /var/log/mail.log or something similar).[02:15:02] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[02:16:57] <thumbs> if you do end up with a postfix question, do follow the /topic[02:20:15] <ek> hello, thumbs. Long time, no chat. :)[02:20:29] <thumbs> hullo[02:20:44] <esk1mo> but what does a successful send output look like[02:20:55] <thumbs> esk1mo: can we see what the /topic requires?[02:21:37] <rob0> !logging[02:21:37] <esk1mo> there are no relevant logs[02:21:38] <knoba> rob0: Error: "logging" is not a valid command.[02:21:49] <esk1mo> and my config is irrelevant as well[02:21:54] <ek> esk1mo: It'll show a successful queue on the remote SMTP side.[02:22:15] <rob0> if there are no logs you do have problems,[02:22:20] <esk1mo> there are logs[02:22:20] <rob0> !nologs[02:22:20] <knoba> rob0: Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[02:22:21] <esk1mo> lots of logs[02:22:30] <esk1mo> but what looks like all errors[02:22:35] <esk1mo> i want to know what a success looks like[02:22:39] <esk1mo> thats all[02:22:45] <thumbs> it depends on the message....[02:22:48] <ek> esk1mo: Paste your logs somewhere.[02:22:59] <rob0> !whatis relevant_logs 2[02:22:59] <knoba> rob0: Error: That's not a valid number for that key.[02:23:08] <rob0> !whatis relevant_logs[02:23:08] <knoba> rob0: mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[02:23:20] <esk1mo> bruh[02:23:32] <rob0> I think there might be an example in the link[02:23:48] <rob0> you can find tons of them online[02:24:20] <ek> Crap. I need to go build some book shelves. I'll be back in a little bit.[02:24:25] <thumbs> let's not turn belligerent. Do your homework[02:24:33] <esk1mo> ok so, this is simple[02:24:42] <esk1mo> a success contains "250"[02:24:49] <esk1mo> now why did you need my logs?[02:24:57] <esk1mo> or status=sent[02:25:47] <rob0> status=sent, yes[02:26:00] <esk1mo> yep that's all i needed to know[02:26:06] <esk1mo> so i can judge how many actually get sent and not blocked[02:26:18] <esk1mo> not sure why thumbs is anal about logs for no reason[02:26:21] <rob0> it would start with postfix/smtp[$PID][02:26:28] <rob0> err, no.[02:26:36] <rob0> Don't get belligerent[02:26:49] <esk1mo> yeah you're right rob0 postfix/smtp[pid][02:27:28] <esk1mo> well at least 800 of my 4k emails were delivered[02:27:33] <esk1mo> lol[02:29:41] <esk1mo> for anyone else curious, pflogsumm seems pretty neat[02:29:48] <esk1mo> pflogsumm --detail 0 -d today /var/log/mail.log[02:29:52] <esk1mo> gives you a nice little breakdown[02:56:08] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:26:19] 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(Remote host closed the connection)[16:12:43] <kapil_> i want to setup postfix. to send email. is there a easy to follow guide available?[16:14:12] <kapil_> i also need easy guide to setup dns[16:18:21] <lunaphyte> if you're using postfix, the documentation is included with it[16:18:27] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[16:18:28] <lunaphyte> it describes how to operate the software[16:18:36] <lunaphyte> it doesn't describe how email works though[16:19:00] <kapil_> do i should refer http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html ?[16:20:15] <rob0> you're going to have to learn a lot, the learning curve is steep. What is the goal? For just sending, you don't need to host your own domain's mail.[16:20:37] <kapil_> yes, i just want to send email[16:20:39] *** nsegkos <nsegkos!~Thunderbi@lfbn-ann-1-113-54.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:20:42] <rob0> If this is for a business, consider outsourcing.[16:21:07] <kapil_> i dont way to pay high cost, if i am able to setup it myself[16:21:44] <survietamine> so, you want to be able and will spend time on it?[16:21:57] <rob0> I guess you already have an email account somewhere?[16:22:36] <kapil_> yes i will spend time on it[16:22:57] <kapil_> i have gmail account, but i want email account for my domain[16:24:07] <kapil_> I want to send transnational email[16:33:55] *** tachoknight <tachoknight!~tachoknig@205.178.20.7> has joined #postfix[16:40:43] *** Poster|z <Poster|z!~poster@cpe-184-57-5-201.columbus.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:56:35] <tuxick> a what?[16:56:47] *** d3lphi <d3lphi!~d3lphi@unaffiliated/d3lphi> has left #postfix[16:59:28] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:00:03] *** kakv <kakv!uid415068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvzqdguylzpnmpxw> has joined #postfix[17:03:20] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[17:06:26] *** SteffanW <SteffanW!~steffan@185.2.243.3> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:20:25] *** neo4 <neo4!~Thunderbi@212-247-92-178.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[17:22:32] <rob0> language barrier I bet; probably s/na/ac/ ("transactional email")[17:27:01] <jimpop> or multilingual[17:28:04] <tuxick> or unsure about nationality?[17:29:12] <jimpop> exactly, so send 1 email witb multiple languages[17:29:43] <survietamine> or world company having subsidiaries[17:30:42] <rob0> And again, if money is involved, it's too important to think you can get away without spending some of it.[17:33:44] *** mitrax <mitrax!mitrax@lfbn-ncy-1-176-119.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[17:36:21] <mitrax> hey, i compiled postfix from source and specified an alternate path as config_directory but postfix keeps looking for /etc/postfix even though when i pass the directory with the -c switch[17:36:25] *** Human_G33k <Human_G33k!~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8> has joined #postfix[17:38:44] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[17:50:16] <mitrax> nevermind my mistake, it's meta_directory that was still set to /etc/postfix in main.cf[17:53:10] *** limon <limon!~limon@unaffiliated/limon> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:54:27] *** limon <limon!~limon@unaffiliated/limon> has joined #postfix[17:56:27] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-172-117-218-16.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:57:14] *** neo4 <neo4!~Thunderbi@212-247-92-178.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:01:24] <rob0> just curious, why did you need to change the paths?[18:03:04] <mitrax> i didn't really need to but i have a bunch of services compiled from sources (including postfix) on a clean debian install and i wanted the conf folders for each to be all in /usr/local/etc instead of /etc/[18:04:16] <rob0> are you using the Debian init scripts (systemd?) to manage the service?[18:05:16] <mitrax> for the other services yup, haven't made/found one yet for postfix[18:05:29] <rob0> (I think if it was me I would not; "postfix start" in rc.local.)[18:08:16] <mitrax> rob0: err i meant init.d not systemd[18:10:44] <mitrax> although that's still systemd[18:16:22] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-172-117-218-16.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[18:32:47] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has joined #postfix[18:41:31] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has joined #postfix[18:41:42] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-143-104.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[18:43:17] *** slave_blocker <slave_blocker!~slave_blo@x4e376e6f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #postfix[18:56:02] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-143-104.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Quit: rsx)[19:17:14] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.186.108> has joined #postfix[19:21:44] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:22:57] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[19:27:53] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[19:28:40] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[19:33:06] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:33:06] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[19:54:04] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[19:58:05] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@109.79.186.108> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:01:00] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-172-117-218-16.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:01:26] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-172-117-218-16.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[20:05:13] *** neo4 <neo4!~Thunderbi@212-247-92-178.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[20:10:59] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has quit IRC (Quit: shibboleth)[20:20:23] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:52:23] *** NonFree <NonFree!NonFree@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jasjar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:53:05] *** nutron <nutron!~nutron@unaffiliated/nutron> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[20:53:47] *** NonFree_ <NonFree_!NonFree@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jasjar> has joined #postfix[20:54:09] *** nutron <nutron!~nutron@unaffiliated/nutron> has joined #postfix[21:14:53] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has joined #postfix[21:34:08] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.scb.ne.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[21:39:28] *** aniketh <aniketh!uid171160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zopjnylbiozwdnuy> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:57:17] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:00:28] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@93-103-57-197.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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