January 11, 2020 
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Anywhere.)[05:34:22] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216.75.116.100> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:45:49] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:46:07] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has joined #postfix[06:42:56] *** endersending <endersending!~endersend@208.123.55.180> has joined #postfix[06:43:36] <endersending> I was wondering if someone could explain to me what postfix does. I have dovecot running, with 5 open opens (110,587,995,993,143)[06:43:59] <endersending> imap works, smtp seams dead and so does pop[06:44:04] <endersending> postfix is not running[06:44:30] <endersending> I am running postfix and dovecot on the same system, but i dont think they are talking[06:46:18] <endersending> postfix/master[45876]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 587: Address already in use[06:47:14] <endersending> does postfix have the capabilities to submit (587), but it should be disabled so dovecot can do it?[06:47:51] *** DTZUZO_ <DTZUZO_!~DTZUZO@205.ip-149-56-132.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[06:49:06] <endersending> should dovecot be talking to postfix and not me directly?[07:02:16] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-155-48.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[07:10:27] *** DocMAX <DocMAX!~DocMAX@x4d005c34.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:11:17] *** DocMAX <DocMAX!~DocMAX@x4d08a8a1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #postfix[07:21:41] *** camelCaser <camelCaser!~camela@213.183.54.167> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in)[07:22:30] *** camelCaser <camelCaser!~camela@213.183.54.167> has joined #postfix[07:39:48] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-155-48.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:41:30] *** _0x5eb_ <_0x5eb_!~seb@seb-hpws2.elen.ucl.ac.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[07:50:19] *** FH_thecat <FH_thecat!~FH_thecat@75.11.25.212.ftth.as8758.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:57:25] *** wowas <wowas!~wowas@212.87.150.46> has joined #postfix[08:13:57] *** wowas <wowas!~wowas@212.87.150.46> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:15:25] *** Columbo0815 <Columbo0815!~Columbo08@HSI-KBW-46-223-210-8.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:20:33] *** Columbo0815 <Columbo0815!~Columbo08@HSI-KBW-46-223-210-8.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #postfix[08:28:59] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[08:38:17] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[08:47:45] *** FH_thecat <FH_thecat!~FH_thecat@75.11.25.212.ftth.as8758.net> has joined #postfix[08:48:31] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[08:55:27] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[08:58:51] *** eramirez_ <eramirez_!~eramirez@104.129.194.64> has joined #postfix[09:02:27] *** eramirez_ is now known as eramirez[09:17:44] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[09:39:13] *** deksar <deksar!~deksar@unaffiliated/deksar> has joined #postfix[10:00:42] *** fling_ <fling_!~fling@fsf/member/fling> has joined #postfix[10:01:32] *** DTZUZO_ <DTZUZO_!~DTZUZO@205.ip-149-56-132.net> has joined #postfix[10:02:36] *** fling <fling!~fling@fsf/member/fling> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[10:02:53] *** fling_ is now known as fling[11:09:31] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:10:27] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[11:51:58] *** niee <niee!~user@MINE.THE.GAP.MEDOLINA.INFO> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[11:52:13] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-155-48.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[12:18:41] <pj> !postfix[12:18:42] <knoba> pj: The Postfix MTA from http://www.postfix.org/. If you have no idea what Postfix is then you have probably chosen the wrong channel. :)[12:18:56] <pj> !mta[12:18:56] <knoba> pj: Mail Transfer Agent: software that facilitates the transfer of mail messages between hosts[12:19:04] <pj> endersending: ^^^^[12:19:19] <pj> and yes, postfix does submission, but it should not be enabled by default.[12:19:29] <pj> !submission[12:19:30] <knoba> pj: Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[12:28:20] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[12:39:14] *** DTZUZO_ <DTZUZO_!~DTZUZO@205.ip-149-56-132.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[12:49:18] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:49:37] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[12:51:10] <moviuro> Hi all, I witnessed a sending mail server use TLS1.2 with GMail, but that doesn't even try STARTTLS when offered (my own postfix), and that does only half-assed TLS1.0 with many other servers. Is there a logical explanation aprat from the usual stupid/malevolent admin, or downright self sabotage?[12:55:27] <petn-randall> moviuro: Sounds like an admin trying to be extra smart. Maybe their mail server validates the TLS certificates, and it's not valid?[12:56:50] <moviuro> petn-randall: I wish. all certificates involved are valid, when I checked it all yesterday[12:57:39] <petn-randall> moviuro: Then the only explanation I have is misconfiguration.[12:59:17] <moviuro> those admins must have been completely insane when they configured it :([13:00:17] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[13:02:51] *** TheFatherMind- <TheFatherMind-!~TheFather@cpe-172-117-218-16.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[13:03:44] *** DTZUZO_ <DTZUZO_!~DTZUZO@205.ip-149-56-132.net> has joined #postfix[13:05:08] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-172-117-218-16.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:07:48] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:08:15] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[13:34:08] *** eramirez <eramirez!~eramirez@104.129.194.64> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:04:46] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[14:48:53] *** slave_blocker <slave_blocker!~slave_blo@x4d0b802c.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #postfix[14:55:05] <slave_blocker> You also need a domain name with an MX record that points to a hostname that in turn points to the static IP.[14:55:10] <slave_blocker> hello[14:56:46] <slave_blocker> so ive got this router wich has a dinamic ip address but wich never changes (4 over 4 years now ). Behind that router i want to have my mail server installed on a raspi. So i installed postfix and dovecot and some other stuff i dont remember right now.[14:57:01] *** HumanG33k <HumanG33k!~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8> has joined #postfix[14:58:41] <slave_blocker> so as i understand it,me@ip is not a good practive with postfix. Meaning that if postfix receives a mail with destiation me@ip it complains.[15:00:05] <slave_blocker> So i called at one.com, a domain provider. And i said listen i dont want to use outlook anymore because there are like 2k background scripts running when im dealing with e-mails. Could you provide me with a domain?[15:00:59] <slave_blocker> They said sure no problem. I said fine. And can you also have a mx record that resolves to my routers ip address ? They said : no[15:02:04] <slave_blocker> Is this exactly what i need right?[15:02:38] <slave_blocker> Not only a domain, but also an mx record that resolves to my routers ip address ?[15:18:46] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:19:38] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[15:51:03] *** davispuh <davispuh!~quassel@95.68.80.195> has joined #postfix[15:51:57] <Zerberus> !fcrdns[15:51:57] <knoba> Zerberus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[15:55:31] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:55:53] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[15:58:49] <slave_blocker> so what is my ip address resolving to? a mx record ?[15:58:58] <slave_blocker> Should i call my isp ?[15:59:22] <slave_blocker> Or should i try more domain providers?[16:06:05] <slave_blocker> so i get a normal domain using a domain provider resolving it to my static ip address. Then i call the isp and tell him to do this FCrDNS or ELSE :)[16:06:22] *** davispuh <davispuh!~quassel@95.68.80.195> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[16:06:23] <slave_blocker> right?[16:08:28] *** davispuh <davispuh!~quassel@95.68.80.195> has joined #postfix[16:13:10] <Zerberus> the MX record is necessary for receiving mail, while an A record can be sufficient - you need FCRDNS for sending mail without a valid relay host[16:13:42] <Zerberus> MX points to an A record which has to resolve to the IP address of the MTA[16:22:54] <slave_blocker> MTA ?[16:23:27] <regis> !mta[16:23:28] <knoba> regis: Mail Transfer Agent: software that facilitates the transfer of mail messages between hosts[16:24:33] <slave_blocker> MX points to an A record which has to resolve to the IP address of the MTA[16:24:35] <slave_blocker> !!![16:24:36] <knoba> slave_blocker: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.[16:25:12] <slave_blocker> great so i just tell those people from the mail provider to resolve the a record to my public ip address ;[16:25:35] <slave_blocker> While the mx record resolvres to their funky one.com (domain provider server ;P)[16:25:48] <slave_blocker> *domain provider[16:28:26] <slave_blocker> this seems fishy...[16:32:47] *** wonderworld <wonderworld!~wonderwor@unaffiliated/wonderworld> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:46:35] <slave_blocker> im chatting with these supporters and they are telling me confusing stuff :([16:53:48] *** eramirez <eramirez!~eramirez@104.129.194.50> has joined #postfix[17:07:37] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-155-48.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Quit: rsx)[17:15:01] <lunaphyte> !parrot[17:15:01] <knoba> lunaphyte: please don't repeat what someone else has said and tack a question mark on to the end. if you don't understand something about what was said, or have a question, that's fine - just ask it. those who donate their time here aren't interested in guessing what the ? actually means, typing an explanation, and hoping that they're right.[17:15:32] <lunaphyte> !encyclopedia[17:15:33] <knoba> lunaphyte: please don't treat the people here as encyclopedias. if a term or concept is introduced that you're not familiar with, then use your favorite search engine and go read about it. do *not* immediately ask what is <newterm>?[17:25:13] <slave_blocker> great thx[17:25:18] <slave_blocker> https://www.bluehost.com[17:25:33] <slave_blocker> solves it for me and they explained it fine too[17:26:48] <slave_blocker> the guy there said that the mx record resolves to my ip address, and that fcrdns is given too.[17:27:09] <slave_blocker> bye[17:27:12] *** slave_blocker <slave_blocker!~slave_blo@x4d0b802c.dyn.telefonica.de> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[17:32:58] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has joined #postfix[17:59:49] *** tmberg <tmberg!tmberg@unaffiliated/tmberg> has quit IRC (Quit: tmberg)[18:00:12] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has quit IRC (Quit: shibboleth)[18:00:12] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:01:33] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[18:02:53] *** tmberg <tmberg!tmberg@unaffiliated/tmberg> has joined #postfix[18:10:46] *** cirdan <cirdan!~cirdan@2601:85:4780:f64:f64d:30ff:fe60:210d> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:11:17] *** cirdan <cirdan!~cirdan@2601:85:4780:f64:f64d:30ff:fe60:210d> has joined #postfix[18:11:18] *** tmberg <tmberg!tmberg@unaffiliated/tmberg> has quit IRC (Quit: tmberg)[18:12:19] *** jaybe <jaybe!~jaybe@unaffiliated/jaybe> has quit IRC (Quit: ~)[18:23:14] *** eramirez <eramirez!~eramirez@104.129.194.50> has quit IRC (Quit: eramirez)[18:24:12] *** eramirez <eramirez!~eramirez@104.129.194.50> has joined #postfix[18:25:15] *** eramirez <eramirez!~eramirez@104.129.194.50> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:31:04] *** eramirez <eramirez!~eramirez@104.129.194.64> has joined #postfix[18:35:40] *** petn-randall <petn-randall!~petn-rand@unaffiliated/petn-randall> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:35:52] *** petn-randall <petn-randall!~petn-rand@unaffiliated/petn-randall> has joined #postfix[18:37:36] *** jaybe <jaybe!~jaybe@unaffiliated/jaybe> has joined #postfix[18:49:34] *** DocMAX <DocMAX!~DocMAX@x4d08a8a1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:55:31] *** camelCaser <camelCaser!~camela@213.183.54.167> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - 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