December 24, 2018 
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December 24, 2018 [00:14:54] *** MelMalik <MelMalik!ellenor@unaffiliated/ellenor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:20:06] <jimpop> dig MX artall.com (warning: numeric domain name in resource data of MX record)[00:20:15] <jimpop> ^^ is that even legit?[00:20:28] <jimpop> an IP address as an MX[00:23:31] *** Ellenor <Ellenor!ellenor@unaffiliated/ellenor> has joined #postfix[00:37:55] *** reiffert <reiffert!~foobar@p5DD75833.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[00:38:10] *** reiffert <reiffert!~foobar@p5DD75995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[00:42:54] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:44:10] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[00:46:08] *** Ellenor is now known as MelMalik[00:50:40] *** Guest83016 <Guest83016!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[00:59:35] <Naglfar> lunaphyte, I just found that no need to one certificate for each domain name[01:00:13] <Naglfar> I just have requested a multi-domain certificate: SAN (Subject Alternate Name)[01:05:18] <Naglfar> it allow multiple entries in a single SSL certificate.[01:20:05] *** hph^ <hph^!hph@ip98-186-247-88.mc.at.cox.net> has quit IRC ()[01:42:05] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has joined #postfix[01:42:42] *** rob <rob!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[01:43:05] *** rob is now known as Guest5743[01:57:02] <nate> Naglfar: Potential warning if you deal with old-ish software that SAN -might not- work. But chances are you should be okay[01:57:32] *** gu1lle_1 <gu1lle_1!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[01:58:43] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:58:43] *** gu1lle_1 is now known as gu1lle_[01:58:56] *** Guest5743 <Guest5743!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:04:08] <lunaphyte> Naglfar: there's no need for multiple domain names/hostnames with email certficates[02:04:20] <lunaphyte> you're confusing how email works with how the www works[02:04:39] <lunaphyte> they don't work the same, so apply concepts from one to the other isn't appropriate[02:04:43] <lunaphyte> *applying[02:10:35] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:16:53] <Naglfar> ok nate, I'll keep it in mind[02:19:25] <Naglfar> excuse me lunaphyte, you always says I'm confusing something, let me know about it, plese[02:19:52] <lunaphyte> yes, why do you think you need multiple certificate names?[02:20:06] <lunaphyte> in other words, what is the actual problem you're trying to solve?[02:20:45] <Naglfar> because two or more domain names[02:21:39] <Naglfar> if I only have cert for stmp.domain1.com[02:21:52] <Naglfar> then what cert do you se for smtp.domain2.com ?[02:22:06] <lunaphyte> why would you have smtp.domain2.com? that's not necessary[02:22:13] <lunaphyte> how many mail servers do you have?[02:22:17] <lunaphyte> 1, right?[02:22:22] <Naglfar> yes, only 1[02:22:41] <lunaphyte> yes, so you only need one certificate[02:22:45] <lunaphyte> one hostname[02:24:19] <Naglfar> then I'm confusing, why mutt ask to me about wrong cert?[02:24:26] <lunaphyte> smtp.domain1.com will work fine for your mx record for all of your domains.[02:24:36] <lunaphyte> that's how email is designed. it's how it's intended to work[02:25:35] <Naglfar> but not all domains have mx records pointing to smtp.domain1.com[02:25:48] <lunaphyte> then you need to fix that[02:26:07] <lunaphyte> all domains should have their mx record pointing to your mail server[02:27:38] <Naglfar> I can't change one of them[02:27:51] <lunaphyte> why not?[02:28:14] <Naglfar> so this domain have cname to the host[02:28:27] <lunaphyte> huh?[02:29:16] <Naglfar> domain2.com mail is handled by 10 smtp.domain1.com[02:29:34] <lunaphyte> yes, that's correct[02:30:14] <Naglfar> excuse me[02:30:19] <Naglfar> domain1.com mail is handled by 10 smtp.domain1.com[02:30:20] <Naglfar> but[02:30:59] <Naglfar> domain2.com mail is handled by 10 smtp.domain2.com[02:31:13] <Naglfar> and smtp.domain2.com is cname to smtp.domain1.com[02:32:09] <Naglfar> smtp.domain2.com is an alias to smtp.domain1.com[02:32:54] <lunaphyte> this is just a bunch of silly overcomplication[02:36:15] <Naglfar> that's what I tried to explain[02:38:21] <lunaphyte> set domain2.com mx to smtp.domain1.com[02:38:25] <lunaphyte> that's all you need to do[02:38:58] <lunaphyte> setting domain2.com mx to smtp.domain2.com and then a cname that just points to smtp.domain1.com anyway is silly[02:39:05] <lunaphyte> there's no need for that[02:39:37] <Naglfar> if mx is changed, then email clients must be replaced too[02:39:42] <lunaphyte> no[02:39:55] <lunaphyte> email clients do not use mx records[02:40:02] <lunaphyte> that's all behind the scenes[02:40:18] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[02:41:17] <Naglfar> but, email clients are set to use smtp.domain2.com to send mails[02:41:25] <lunaphyte> why? that would be a mistake[02:41:37] <lunaphyte> clients should not be pointed to your mta[02:41:41] <lunaphyte> they should be pointed to your msa[02:42:34] <lunaphyte> these are two different services, totally independent of each other[02:43:43] <Naglfar> that's what I'm confusing[02:43:57] <lunaphyte> mail clients do not talk to mx servers[02:44:13] <lunaphyte> mail clients do not talk to the mx service[02:44:18] <lunaphyte> they talk to the submission service[02:44:26] <lunaphyte> two different services[02:45:34] <Naglfar> now, I'm confusing something[02:46:06] <lunaphyte> what are you confusing?[02:47:27] <Naglfar> if using smtp://user at smtp dot domain2.com:587 as submission service[02:48:29] <Naglfar> what's wrong'[02:48:31] <Naglfar> ?[02:48:37] <lunaphyte> hmm?[02:48:52] <lunaphyte> don't use the same hostnames for mta and msa[02:48:57] <lunaphyte> that just causes problems[02:49:31] <Naglfar> mta hostname is imap.domain2.com[02:50:23] <lunaphyte> that makes no sense[02:50:32] <lunaphyte> imap is an mra protocol[02:50:35] <lunaphyte> not an mta protocol[02:50:41] <lunaphyte> what a mess[02:50:53] * spammy passes lunaphyte a beer...hang in there[02:51:03] <lunaphyte> here's my advice. start by just being organized.[02:51:21] <lunaphyte> three services for email, generally: mta, msa, and mra[02:51:35] <lunaphyte> use distinct, separate, hostnames, for each of the three[02:51:59] <lunaphyte> here's an idea - since the three services have names [mta, mra, and msa], just use those very names for the actual hostnames:[02:52:03] <lunaphyte> mta.domain.tld[02:52:07] <lunaphyte> msa.domain.tld[02:52:11] <lunaphyte> mra.domain.tld[02:52:25] <lunaphyte> point your mx records to mta.domain.tld[02:52:38] <lunaphyte> point your users' submission settings to msa.domain.tld[02:52:41] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has quit IRC (Quit: ntd)[02:52:49] <lunaphyte> and point your users' retrieval settings to mra.domain.tld[02:54:48] <Naglfar> until this point everything is fine[02:59:39] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[02:59:45] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:09:25] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[03:12:09] <pj> !mra[03:12:09] <knoba> pj: Error: "mra" is not a valid command.[03:12:16] <pj> we need a factoid for that.[03:16:47] <pj> lunaphyte: what would your definition of MRA be? Looking it up on wikipedia seems to define it as something like fetchmail or getmail.[03:23:37] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A249EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:26:37] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p5B2E2F22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[03:35:13] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:35:40] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[03:55:24] *** rob <rob!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[03:55:47] *** rob is now known as Guest74622[03:59:58] *** Guest74622 <Guest74622!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[04:12:04] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-107-107-60-47.mycingular.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:17:37] <rjsalts> pj: yes, but I think lunaphyte is referring to the bit on the input side of an MRA, pop/imap/activesync/etrn or whatever client to get your messages to where you can view them.[04:25:30] <pj> rjsalts: I got the impression that he was defining an MRA as an IMAP/POP3 server.[04:26:15] <pj> but I could be wrong, hence why I asked for clarification. Also the Wikipedia article seems lacking.[04:42:31] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:52:18] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has joined #postfix[04:59:57] <rjsalts> probably because it's a little used pattern for email workflows these days[05:00:59] <rjsalts> most people have a mail user agents that don't reinject mail into a local mail spool[05:07:11] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:17:06] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~Free@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[05:34:45] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:41:18] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~Free@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #postfix[05:58:28] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[06:03:58] *** knewbie <knewbie!~irc@162.254.132.249> has joined #postfix[06:09:34] <knewbie> Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [104.*.*.*]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by box.[06:09:54] <knewbie> can anyone point me in the right direction as to why my server is sending out client IP in header?[06:10:19] <knewbie> !getting_help[06:10:19] <knoba> knewbie: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[06:10:37] <knewbie> !relevant_logs[06:10:37] <knoba> knewbie: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[06:10:40] <knewbie> !showconfig[06:10:40] <knoba> knewbie: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[06:25:09] <lunaphyte> yeah, i was defining an mra as an imap or similar service[06:25:24] <lunaphyte> just as an msa is a submission service, and an mta is an mx service[06:25:37] <lunaphyte> those wikipedia pages have never added up quite right[06:26:09] <lunaphyte> if you look at the Email_agent_(infrastructure) page, it's a jumble of contradition[06:28:39] <lunaphyte> the cited references aren't even consistent or, or tbh, accurate: "an MDA is like a letter carrier who delivers mail from the local post office to your house"[06:28:52] <lunaphyte> that's just not even close[06:52:54] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has 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