December 22, 2018 
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And you probably should not do it on the basis of sender address; it would be better to require AUTH and enforce it for the SASL user.[07:03:01] <rob0> I could give you a couple of examples via bot responses, but that's automated, so I am just going to go to bed. gn[07:03:16] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[07:03:36] <enix> haha thanks anywya for the response rob. good to know[07:03:38] <enix> gn![07:08:06] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[07:12:20] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[07:16:35] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[07:17:07] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:21:41] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[07:26:18] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[07:30:38] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[07:32:45] 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To do this, I have added a relayhost to the main.cf configuration. This works great.[21:00:01] <HielkeJ> But the problem that I have is that the mail from one domain should not go trough the relayhost, but the server should deliver the mail itself. To get this working, I have added "sender_dependent_default_transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_transport" to the main.cf.[21:00:01] <HielkeJ> In the sender_transport file, I added this: @hielke.eu smtp. I excpected that the mailserver should deliver mail from that domain itself, but it keeps sending it with the relayhost. If I replace smtp with smtp:mail.mymailserver.tld, I can see the mail is delivered to the server without using the relayhost.[21:00:01] <HielkeJ> Is there any to tell postfix to figure out the correct mailserver if the mail is comming from hielke.eu without using the relayhost?[21:02:33] <lunaphyte> why?[21:02:42] <lunaphyte> what is special about this one destination?[21:04:32] <tuxick> and why so complicated?[21:04:38] <HielkeJ> The customer with that domain does not allow that their mail is send through the (external) relay host[21:05:05] <lunaphyte> why not?[21:05:12] <HielkeJ> And I want to add DKIM headers and the relayhost does not allow that[21:05:50] <tuxick> mails go to whatever host MX points to[21:05:51] <HielkeJ> security and privacy things. They can't control that system[21:05:54] <tuxick> don't see the problem[21:12:36] <HielkeJ> The customer does not want the relayhost used for their mail. I can't change that. Do you know any tricks to get this (strange request) working? :)[21:14:36] <lunaphyte> is this server the customer's server?[21:16:32] <HielkeJ> No, the server is used for all our customers[21:18:27] <lunaphyte> ok[21:18:41] <lunaphyte> how does mail hielke.eu end up there?[21:19:39] <HielkeJ> from the application servers in our network[21:21:56] <lunaphyte> when you said "the server should deliver the mail itself" = what does that mean?[21:22:42] <HielkeJ> The server should check the DNS for the correct MX server and deliver the mail to that server[21:22:52] <lunaphyte> i see[21:23:17] <lunaphyte> in general terms, what is this email coming from your application servers?[21:25:19] <HielkeJ> That can be a lot of things. For example registration confirmations or a message that a admin needs to do something[21:26:45] <lunaphyte> i see[21:27:11] <lunaphyte> so it's not "their" mail, per se. it's "your" mail, which happens to be addressed to this particular domain name?[21:27:25] <lunaphyte> and they are demanding you process mail sent to them in a certain way?[21:28:17] *** nathanhi <nathanhi!~nathanhi@unaffiliated/nathanhi> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[21:28:30] <HielkeJ> The sender is always an address of the hielke.eu domain[21:29:12] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@unaffiliated/subz3r0/x-1361105> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[21:30:16] <lunaphyte> they've asked you to send email to people, using their domain as the sender?[21:30:20] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@46.182.19.13> has joined #postfix[21:30:29] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@46.182.19.13> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:30:29] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@unaffiliated/subz3r0/x-1361105> has joined #postfix[21:30:36] <HielkeJ> yes, that is correct[21:31:17] *** nathanhi <nathanhi!~nathanhi@unaffiliated/nathanhi> has joined #postfix[21:31:28] <lunaphyte> i see[21:31:43] <lunaphyte> well, you shouldn't be, but that's another conversation :)[21:32:06] <lunaphyte> i would use transport_maps for this[21:33:52] <HielkeJ> Doesn't that work with the recipient address?[21:35:16] <lunaphyte> oh, right. you said envelope sender, not envelope recipient[21:35:30] *** Olipro <Olipro!~Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.21for7.olipro> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:35:51] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@unaffiliated/subz3r0/x-1361105> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[21:35:54] <HielkeJ> yes, that is why I tried to do it with sender_dependent_default_transport_maps :)[21:36:54] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@46.182.19.13> has joined #postfix[21:36:54] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@46.182.19.13> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:36:54] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@unaffiliated/subz3r0/x-1361105> has joined #postfix[21:38:00] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has joined #postfix[21:39:41] <lunaphyte> yes, that's the right way to do that[21:39:51] <lunaphyte> !tell HielkeJ showconfig[21:39:51] <knoba> HielkeJ: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[21:39:57] <lunaphyte> pastebin that[21:44:36] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@unaffiliated/subz3r0/x-1361105> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[21:45:09] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@46.182.19.13> has joined #postfix[21:45:09] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@46.182.19.13> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:45:09] *** |subz3r0| <|subz3r0|!~|subz3r0|@unaffiliated/subz3r0/x-1361105> has joined #postfix[21:45:10] <HielkeJ> https://pastebin.com/gSkzSrSJ[21:50:51] <lunaphyte> um, you're using a version that hasn't been supported for almost 6 years[21:50:55] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC ()[21:51:03] <lunaphyte> or you have odd settings that make no sense[21:52:41] <HielkeJ> I am using version 2.10.1[21:53:05] <HielkeJ> I installed it with a Puppet module, so that might explain some of the settings[21:53:13] <lunaphyte> well, that's better, but it still hasn't been supported in over 2 years[21:53:27] <lunaphyte> and that does mean then that you have nonsense settings[21:53:44] <lunaphyte> that's not saying great things about this module then, i'd say[21:54:03] <lunaphyte> there are also a number of other settings that really shouldn't need to be modified from the defaults[21:54:24] <lunaphyte> you need to be using at least version 3[21:54:47] <lunaphyte> 3.3, really, or even better, 3.4[21:54:50] <HielkeJ> I am using the version that is in the repo of CentOS 7.5[21:54:55] <lunaphyte> haha[21:54:58] <lunaphyte> another centos victim[21:54:59] <lunaphyte> sigh[21:55:08] <lunaphyte> i'm so tired of their nonsense :([21:56:34] <HielkeJ> ow, great[21:58:08] <HielkeJ> I see that Ubuntu 18.04 has Postfix 3.3. I will try that tomorrow and see if that helps[21:58:27] <HielkeJ> Thank you for your help and time![21:58:31] <lunaphyte> fwiw, it probably won't have an effect on your symptom[21:58:34] <lunaphyte> you're welcome[21:59:28] <lunaphyte> it's just annoying that these operating system authors seem to think it's ok to ship old software, and ok that their users are then going to the communities for that software, asking them to help with version that everyone has moved on from[22:00:13] <lunaphyte> i don't like centos and siblings, because of that, but -[22:00:35] <lunaphyte> you can use a third party repo to get responsibly current versions of some software[22:01:14] <lunaphyte> it's kind of ridiculous to pick an os though and then just get all of the software you run on it from places other than the os' repos[22:01:22] <lunaphyte> !tell HielkeJ ghettoforge[22:01:22] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: No factoid matches that key.[22:01:26] <lunaphyte> !tell HielkeJ gf[22:01:26] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: No factoid matches that key.[22:01:29] <lunaphyte> bah[22:01:47] <lunaphyte> i'm sure we have one, but i don't remember it[22:02:09] <lunaphyte> anyway, look at the ghettoforge repo[22:02:25] <HielkeJ> I know that I can use other repo's, but before I can do that I need another team to OK that :([22:03:12] <lunaphyte> their testing repo has 3.3[22:03:12] <HielkeJ> I will test it with Ubuntu tomorrow and if that works, I will scream at CentOS. If that still doesn't work, I might be back here :)[22:03:41] <blackflow> centos is rebranded RHEL so no screaming will change that.[22:03:48] <lunaphyte> i don't centos, at all, but i will personally vouch for the person who runs the ghettoforge repo[22:03:49] <blackflow> *no amount of[22:04:00] <lunaphyte> change what?[22:04:02] <rob0> !centos[22:04:02] <knoba> rob0: "centos" : New postfix packages are available for all current versions of CentOS, RHEL, SL and other RHEL-derivatives from the GhettoForge gf-plus repository at www.ghettoforge.org. 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